American Empire and Antisemitism

 

Until the aftermath of October 7th, 2023, I would have been sure that America, in the balance, was squarely in Israel’s corner and ready and willing to do the right thing to defend the Jewish state. I still feel that America is 70% there, but my confidence has frankly been shaken by the egregious antisemitism displayed on American universities, as well as the unabashed linking of further Abraham Accords progress with Israel’s willingness to negotiate a Palestinian state. (Imagine if, after 9/11, the EU had linked support for America’s war against Afghanistan with political support of the Taliban.) Netanyahu has been strongly against rewarding terrorism with political concessions, and I hope he and Israel continue to stand against it.

We need America to stop using “strategic ambiguity” to walk back her support for allies. When Putin invaded Ukraine, it was clear to me that President Biden’s so-called incompetence was intentional, to capitulate on Afghanistan and Ukraine, partly to reorient toward China, and partly to reconsolidate NATO and make more profitable deals going forward. There was never any intention to help Ukraine “win” against Russia, which is amazingly tragic. The U.S. has been losing on purpose. To a certain extent, Nixon to Carter served a similar purpose. America was on the decline, until mysteriously she resurged in the late 80s, up until the early 2000s.

Big picture, what does such a pursuit do to society? It separates the citizen from the state (contrary to the wishes of progressives) and the local from the global. This is mainly because politics are now almost indecipherable. Most people realize that secret deals now define American foreign policy (and much domestic policy), not public discussion or elections. What does such a policy mean for antisemitism? At home, it means people, unable to find straightforward reasons for political upheaval, will put forward increasingly virulent scapegoating conspiracy theories, and unfortunately Jews will bear much of that abuse. In the minds of antisemites, surely the Jews are manipulating world events and causing the world to go downhill.

Abroad, using allies such as Ukraine as bargaining chips does not bode well either for U.S. support for Israel in the future or for the use of U.S. soft power to counter global antisemitism. For part of Israel’s history, the loose tie that bound it to the U.S. was mutually agreed upon. Israel didn’t want to be the 51st state of the U.S., nor did the U.S. seek to annex Israel. Given the events of the last decades, and certainly since October 7th, 2023, it is clear that the U.S. is the only major ally that Israel has. If the U.S. were to utilize similarly ambiguous logic as has been used with Ukraine, it could lead to a capitulation on Israel’s sovereignty. America must not do this.

Finally, as it appears that President Biden’s White House has already accepted that Iran will get a nuclear weapon; if Iran and Saudi Arabia get nukes soon, will they largely use the weapons to threaten each other? Or will they, in concert, use the weapons to coerce Israel into conceding increasingly more of her sovereignty and security preferences? Both are likely and are not mutually exclusive. If the Abraham Accords move forward, America must provide for explicit provisions within the Accords to safeguard Israel’s security interests. Israel cannot abide ambiguity from America’s corner, and America must recognize this fact.

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  1. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Good post.  Welcome to Ricochet, Ryan.

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  2. Samuel Block Staff
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Good post. Welcome to Ricochet, Ryan.

    Seconded! Looking forward to reading more.

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  3. TomRoberts57 Coolidge
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    Hello, it’s interesting how you’ve managed to get almost every single point wrong !

    How is it right or in Americas’ interest to defend the jewish state ? The USA gets absolutely nothing in return and no gratitude from Israel for providing huge financial and military support. Both of which are actually illegal under US law btw – Israel has obtained nuclear weapons by stealing material and technology from the USA, and has never signed the non-proliferation treaty. Under the Symington amendment and Glenn amendment, all aid to Israel is in violation of US law ( although good luck getting congress to act against their jewish owners…. ).

    Not rewarding terrorism ? Well the zionist terrorists, like Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir for example, were rewarded with recognition of their state after using terrorism and widespread massacres to drive the original Arab population out of what is now Israel.

    “In the minds of antisemites, surely the Jews are manipulating world events and causing the world to go downhill.”

    Well it’s not a figment of the imagination of antisemites, it’s a very easily observable fact. And just earlier today, the fanatical jewish government attacked the Iranian consulate in Damascus as part of their continuing effort to (a) provoke a war with Iran and (b) get dimwit Americans to fight that war for them.

    You mention the war in Ukraine, which is entirely a project of the fanatical ( and seemingly not very bright ) jewish neocons who have been dictating US foreign policy for decades. A good first step ( although I’m not holding my breath for this to happen ) would be to bar anyone who does not have undivided loyalty to the USA from holding any job or appointed office relating to foreign policy. That means most of all jews who, whether they hold dual US-Israeli citizenship or not, clearly put the interests of Israel above all else.

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    And just earlier today, the fanatical jewish government attacked the Iranian consulate in Damascus

    The bombs hit the building next door. They took out a top Iranian military guy.

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  5. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Well, the browser just ate my response, and I don’t really feel like retyping it completely.  So the Inigo Montoya version.

    The US has tons of space.  Our current population density is about half that of Europe (and Russia, Ukraine, and the Baltics make up 47% of Europe’s landmass but a much smaller % of population.  Remove them from the equation and the US is almost a quarter the density.

    Why does that matter?  Well, prior to the EU, and even afterward, if someone was facing a pogrom or harassment moving from the USSR to someplace else, even Israel wasn’t easy.  Even moving from France to Germany before the EU wasn’t simple.  The US allows for free and open movement anywhere with no restrictions.  That means that people could move where they were not hated.  

    The US has a long and sordid history of anti-semitism and many other forms of prejudice.  Even though we have taught, until recently, that we are a melting pot where ethnic, religious, and national origins are all part of our strength, that didn’t mean that people didn’t still hate groups…it just meant that we taught our kids that we were open and tolerant.  That message is not the one that we teach kids today, and that stems from the loss of Higher Education to the Left 4 or 5 decades ago.  Now our educators, especially in colleges, focus on the wrongs of America and educate our kids that the US is a bad, even evil, country that isn’t better than anyplace else.  That our history is one of prejudice, hatred, and bigotry and that everyone who isn’t a straight, White, cis-male is a victim of oppression, and learning exactly how you have been oppressed is vital to your ability to claim your slice of compensation.  It’s not that our variety makes us strong, and we are stronger together than apart, but rather that our variety is our chisel to break the patriarchy and it is through realizing that you are oppressed and must hate the system that you are freed.

    In that world, anti-semitism only works when one realizes that Jews are seen as part of that patriarchy.  They are White and thus oppressors.  They moved from Europe to Israel and thus colonizers.  They have won war after war against the Arabs and thus are the bullies of the set piece.  

    Now take that worldview held by way too many of the college-educated of the past 2 decades and understand that they cut their teeth working for Obama and have even more power and influence under Biden and it is a wonder that we are even supplying ammunition to the Israelis.

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  6. Steve C. Member
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    Biden’s foreign policy is constrained by fear.

    Fear Russia will do something really bad and force a direct US/NATO response. Fear Ukrainian military success might cause Russia to do something really really bad to stave off a serious defeat.

    Fear the Israeli operations against Hamas will influence domestic politics. Fear Israel might be dragged into combat operations against Hezbollah.

    Ironically*,  Biden’s inclination seems to be support for Ukraine and Israel. But his foreign policy team not as much.

    * Because in Gates’ opinion, Biden has been wrong about every major foreign policy challenge of the last 50 years. 

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  7. TomRoberts57 Coolidge
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    ………………we taught our kids that we were open and tolerant. That message is not the one that we teach kids today, and that stems from the loss of Higher Education to the Left 4 or 5 decades ago. Now our educators, especially in colleges, focus on the wrongs of America and educate our kids that the US is a bad, even evil, country that isn’t better than anyplace else. That our history is one of prejudice, hatred, and bigotry and that everyone who isn’t a straight, White, cis-male is a victim of oppression, and learning exactly how you have been oppressed is vital to your ability to claim your slice of compensation. It’s not that our variety makes us strong, and we are stronger together than apart, but rather that our variety is our chisel to break the patriarchy and it is through realizing that you are oppressed and must hate the system that you are freed.

    In that world, anti-semitism only works when one realizes that Jews are seen as part of that patriarchy. They are White and thus oppressors. They moved from Europe to Israel and thus colonizers. They have won war after war against the Arabs and thus are the bullies of the set piece.

    The “loss of higher education to the left” could also be described as the takeover of higher education by jews, who now dominate most of the elite universities. 

    The jews have managed to get away with portraying whites ( WASPS ) as oppressors, colonizers, bigots etc etc while still claiming victim status for themselves. That might be coming to an end now, as they’re increasingly seen as the racist, ethnocentric, genocidal fanatics that they have always been just below the surface. 

    Allowing jews to take over so many US institutions – universities, media, entertainment, the legal profession, finance and political parties – has been a catastrophe for real Americans. Unfortunately, you’re probably going to learn the hard way why pretty much every country where jews have settled ( going back centuries, or millennia even ) has eventually kicked them out.

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    Steve C. (View Comment):
    Fear Russia will do something really bad and force a direct US/NATO response. Fear Ukrainian military success might cause Russia to do something really really bad to stave off a serious defeat.

    Putin would not have done this under Trump. What they needed to do was give them a lot more a lot faster, which is only going to happen under Trump. 

    Foreign policy is not for amateurs or leftists.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    Allowing jews to take over so many US institutions – universities, media, entertainment, the legal profession, finance and political parties – has been a catastrophe for real Americans. Unfortunately, you’re probably going to learn the hard way why pretty much every country where jews have settled ( going back centuries, or millennia even ) has eventually kicked them out.

    They have more talent, brain power, and a largely better culture except for voting Democrat all the time. What are you going to do?

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  10. RufusRJones Member
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    For the record, I like Jews.

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  11. She Member
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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    Under the Symington amendment and Glenn amendment, all aid to Israel is in violation of US law ( although good luck getting congress to act against their jewish owners…. ).

    The usual tripe from this member.  I note this report from a recent London pro-Hamas protest (emphasis mine):

    Protesters gathered at Russell Square before marching through the city to Trafalgar Square. Some could be heard chanting “Long live Hamas, long live Hamas”.

    One man shouted at a camera: “Who controls Britain? It’s the Jewish people that control Britain! Forty per cent of the MPs are Jewish and that’s why these police are under there.”

    Only 3 per cent of MPs are Jewish as of last year, according to Derek Taylor, the historian.

    Apparently there’s a fairly widespread international libel here.

    As for the Symington/Glenn amendments argument, as I understand it, there are triggers for those sanctions, and those triggers haven’t been met by Israel to this point.  I don’t suppose such a thing would matter to a conspiratorial fanatic, though.

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    This member joined October 22, 2020.

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  13. Globalitarian Misanthropist Inactive
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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    education by jews

    The jews have managed

    Allowing jews to take over

    jews have settled

    Your keyboard is anti-Semitic.

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  14. RufusRJones Member
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    Globalitarian Misanthropist (View Comment):

    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    education by jews

    The jews have managed

    Allowing jews to take over

    jews have settled

    You keyboard is anti-Semitic.

    LOL 

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  15. She Member
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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    Allowing jews to take over so many US institutions – universities, media, entertainment, the legal profession, finance and political parties – has been a catastrophe for real Americans. Unfortunately, you’re probably going to learn the hard way why pretty much every country where jews have settled ( going back centuries, or millennia even ) has eventually kicked them out.

    I get it.  For you, it’s not about Zionism, it’s about Judaism.  You hate Jews.  No matter how few or how many there are, or where, or how, they live.

    Frankly, if I were in charge here, I’d kick you out on that basis alone (because you’re an unregenerate bigot who can’t distinguish between a good Jew or a bad Jew), but I suspect TPTB want more.  Maybe they’ll get it, maybe they won’t.  I’m not in charge here, so I don’t care.  But I’ll respond to your vile assertions nonetheless. Because I can.

    Based on the comment above, you don’t sound like an American.  What’s your origin story?  Why do you hate Jews so much?  What is the “catastrophe” you refer to?  And please give specific examples of the excellent decisions made by “every country where jews have settled” when it comes to their having removed them.  Do include Nazi Germany in your response.

    Thanks so much.

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    As for the Symington/Glenn amendments argument, as I understand it, there are triggers for those sanctions, and those triggers haven’t been met by Israel to this point. I don’t suppose such a thing would matter to a conspiratorial fanatic, though.

    The triggers are basically engaging in nuclear enrichment without agreeing to IAEA inspections, and detonating a nuclear device. Israel has done both, decades ago. It’s just that no US administration has been willing to stand up to the Israel lobby.

    You also described what I’d written as “tripe”, and then went on to give an example of a protestor in London saying that 40% of British MPs are jewish, which I never said and which has nothing to do with anything I wrote. 

    It might surprise you to know that I was generally very pro-Israel until a few years ago. What changed is that I learned more about the history of zionism and about the jewish religion, and actually took the trouble to research what you call conspiracy theories. If you’d take the trouble to look at original sources for example, and not take at face value what the mainstream media or even mainstream “conservative” websites say, I’d be surprised if you didn’t come around to my general view of Israel and of the vastly excessive influence that jews currently have.

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    OOops!  (I tried to delete this before you saw it.  I failed again.)

    Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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    Chuck (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):I

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    This member joined October 22, 2020.

    @ She

    OOops! (I tried to delete this before you saw it. I failed again.)

    Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    Comments cannot be deleted by us, only edited down to nothing.

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  19. RufusRJones Member
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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    The triggers are basically engaging in nuclear enrichment without agreeing to IAEA inspections, and detonating a nuclear device. Israel has done both, decades ago.

    What are you worried about? It doesn’t concern me one bit. I’m worried about the nukes that China, Russia, North Korea, and, unfortunately, it looks like Iran is going to get. 

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  20. She Member
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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):

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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):

    As for the Symington/Glenn amendments argument, as I understand it, there are triggers for those sanctions, and those triggers haven’t been met by Israel to this point. I don’t suppose such a thing would matter to a conspiratorial fanatic, though.

    The triggers are basically engaging in nuclear enrichment without agreeing to IAEA inspections, and detonating a nuclear device. Israel has done both, decades ago. It’s just that no US administration has been willing to stand up to the Israel lobby.

    You also described what I’d written as “tripe”, and then went on to give an example of a protestor in London saying that 40% of British MPs are jewish, which I never said and which has nothing to do with anything I wrote.

    It might surprise you to know that I was generally very pro-Israel until a few years ago. What changed is that I learned more about the history of zionism and about the jewish religion, and actually took the trouble to research what you call conspiracy theories. If you’d take the trouble to look at original sources for example, and not take at face value what the mainstream media or even mainstream “conservative” websites say, I’d be surprised if you didn’t come around to my general view of Israel and of the vastly excessive influence that jews currently have

    Don’t flatter yourself.  I’ve seen what you’ve said about 9/11.  Nothing you say would surprise me.

    Folks who preciously and determinedly use lower case letters to refer to major political movements and religious denominations just to make a point really aren’t worth arguing with.  And–beyond establishing your logical fallacies and the facts you are determined to ignore–you’re not much worth arguing with either.

     

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  21. Chuck Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Chuck (View Comment):

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    This member joined October 22, 2020.

    @ She

    OOops! (I tried to delete this before you saw it. I failed again.)

    Stupid, stupid, stupid.

    Comments cannot be deleted by us, only edited down to nothing.

    I know.

    (I didn’t say but I had a mental short circuit that got Ryan Van Tress and TomRoberts57 crossed up.  Lord willing, it won’t happen again.)

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  22. TomRoberts57 Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    The triggers are basically engaging in nuclear enrichment without agreeing to IAEA inspections, and detonating a nuclear device. Israel has done both, decades ago.

    What are you worried about? It doesn’t concern me one bit. I’m worried about the nukes that China, Russia, North Korea, and, unfortunately, it looks like Iran is going to get.

    Look up the “Samson Option”.

    I wasn’t worried about jews with nukes either until fairly recently. 

    If you’d like to have something else to worry about, have a look at a YouTube channel featuring the spy/traitor Jonathan Pollard and a Rabbi called David Bar-Hayim. It would be nice to think they only represent a fringe element in Israel, but that country seems to be going in the direction of the Ben-Gvir type lunatic fringe.

    Anyway, you can find Pollard talking enthusiastically about using nukes and neutron bombs. The pair of them look like something a 1930’s nazi propagandist might have come up with, and then rejected as being too over-the-top !  

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    Look up the “Samson Option”.

    I am underwhelmed. It makes perfect sense to me.

    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):

    If you’d like to have something else to worry about, have a look at a YouTube channel featuring the spy/traitor Jonathan Pollard and a Rabbi called David Bar-Hayim. It would be nice to think they only represent a fringe element in Israel, but that country seems to be going in the direction of the Ben-Gvir type lunatic fringe.

    Anyway, you can find Pollard talking enthusiastically about using nukes and neutron bombs. The pair of them look like something a 1930’s nazi propagandist might have come up with, and then rejected as being too over-the-top !  

    The Iran leadership wants to level Israel. 

    I haven’t seen one bit of news that makes the so-called Palestinians look non-hostile in terms of public opinion about Israel. It’s not even close. It’s not debatable. 

    Those guys aren’t in Israeli leadership.

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  24. TomRoberts57 Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    The triggers are basically engaging in nuclear enrichment without agreeing to IAEA inspections, and detonating a nuclear device. Israel has done both, decades ago.

    What are you worried about? It doesn’t concern me one bit. I’m worried about the nukes that China, Russia, North Korea, and, unfortunately, it looks like Iran is going to get.

    You might also like to look up the correspondence between JFK and David Ben-Gurion, when D B-G was Israeli Prime Minister. In the last letter, JFK issues what amounts to an ultimatum to Israel to allow inspections of their nuclear facility or else. Ben-Gurion resigned as Prime Minister as soon as he learned the letter was on the way to him, so he didn’t have to respond and thus bought time for his successor to stall. The Israeli facility at Dimona went into operation just after JFK was assassinated.

    I’ll find a link if I can but you should be able to Google it.

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  25. TomRoberts57 Coolidge
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    She (View Comment):

    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):

    As for the Symington/Glenn amendments argument, as I understand it, there are triggers for those sanctions, and those triggers haven’t been met by Israel to this point. I don’t suppose such a thing would matter to a conspiratorial fanatic, though.

    The triggers are basically engaging in nuclear enrichment without agreeing to IAEA inspections, and detonating a nuclear device. Israel has done both, decades ago. It’s just that no US administration has been willing to stand up to the Israel lobby.

    You also described what I’d written as “tripe”, and then went on to give an example of a protestor in London saying that 40% of British MPs are jewish, which I never said and which has nothing to do with anything I wrote.

    It might surprise you to know that I was generally very pro-Israel until a few years ago. What changed is that I learned more about the history of zionism and about the jewish religion, and actually took the trouble to research what you call conspiracy theories. If you’d take the trouble to look at original sources for example, and not take at face value what the mainstream media or even mainstream “conservative” websites say, I’d be surprised if you didn’t come around to my general view of Israel and of the vastly excessive influence that jews currently have

    Don’t flatter yourself. I’ve seen what you’ve said about 9/11. Nothing you say would surprise me.

    Folks who preciously and determinedly use lower case letters to refer to major political movements and religious denominations just to make a point really aren’t worth arguing with. And–beyond establishing your logical fallacies and the facts you are determined to ignore–you’re not much worth arguing with either.

     

    Ok, “Jews” then. Could you please give me an example of a logical fallacy in anything I’ve written today ?

    And what facts am I ignoring ? 

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):
    The triggers are basically engaging in nuclear enrichment without agreeing to IAEA inspections, and detonating a nuclear device. Israel has done both, decades ago.

    What are you worried about? It doesn’t concern me one bit. I’m worried about the nukes that China, Russia, North Korea, and, unfortunately, it looks like Iran is going to get.

    You might also like to look up the correspondence between JFK and David Ben-Gurion, when D B-G was Israeli Prime Minister. In the last letter, JFK issues what amounts to an ultimatum to Israel to allow inspections of their nuclear facility or else. Ben-Gurion resigned as Prime Minister as soon as he learned the letter was on the way to him, so he didn’t have to respond and thus bought time for his successor to stall. The Israeli facility at Dimona went into operation just after JFK was assassinated.

    I’ll find a link if I can but you should be able to Google it.

    Why should I care about this? 

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  27. She Member
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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment):

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    As for the Symington/Glenn amendments argument, as I understand it, there are triggers for those sanctions, and those triggers haven’t been met by Israel to this point. I don’t suppose such a thing would matter to a conspiratorial fanatic, though.

    The triggers are basically engaging in nuclear enrichment without agreeing to IAEA inspections, and detonating a nuclear device. Israel has done both, decades ago. It’s just that no US administration has been willing to stand up to the Israel lobby.

    You also described what I’d written as “tripe”, and then went on to give an example of a protestor in London saying that 40% of British MPs are jewish, which I never said and which has nothing to do with anything I wrote.

    It might surprise you to know that I was generally very pro-Israel until a few years ago. What changed is that I learned more about the history of zionism and about the jewish religion, and actually took the trouble to research what you call conspiracy theories. If you’d take the trouble to look at original sources for example, and not take at face value what the mainstream media or even mainstream “conservative” websites say, I’d be surprised if you didn’t come around to my general view of Israel and of the vastly excessive influence that jews currently have

    Don’t flatter yourself. I’ve seen what you’ve said about 9/11. Nothing you say would surprise me.

    Folks who preciously and determinedly use lower case letters to refer to major political movements and religious denominations just to make a point really aren’t worth arguing with. And–beyond establishing your logical fallacies and the facts you are determined to ignore–you’re not much worth arguing with either.

     

    Ok, “Jews” then. Could you please give me an example of a logical fallacy in anything I’ve written today ?

    And what facts am I ignoring ?

    Perhaps you can tell me.  Or answer any other of the questions I’ve asked in my few comments.  Otherwise, have a lovely day!

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  28. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    It’s not antisemitism to recognize the terrible actions of the state of Israel.

    It’s quite simplistic to dismiss those who disagree with you as antisemitic.

    Personally, I’m glad that we’re seeing a teeny little bit of pushback against our unprecedented relationship of virtually unconditional support for Israel.  Israel’s history is one of infiltration, invasion, conquest, unprovoked aggression, and oppression against the Palestinians who were in the way of the Zionist’s land-grabbing dreams.  Then de facto apartheid in the Occupied Territories, and now a campaign of mass slaughter and starvation that is arguably genocidal.

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  29. She Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    It’s not antisemitism to recognize the terrible actions of the state of Israel.

    It’s quite simplistic to dismiss those who disagree with you as antisemitic.

    Personally, I’m glad that we’re seeing a teeny little bit of pushback against our unprecedented relationship of virtually unconditional support for Israel. Israel’s history is one of infiltration, invasion, conquest, unprovoked aggression, and oppression against the Palestinians who were in the way of the Zionist’s land-grabbing dreams. Then de facto apartheid in the Occupied Territories, and now a campaign of mass slaughter and starvation that is arguably genocidal.

    There are moments when I’m surprised by the magnanimity of folks on Ricochet.

    This is not one of them.

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    TomRoberts57 (View Comment): “Jews” then. Could you please give me an example of a logical fallacy in anything I’ve written today ?

    And what facts am I ignoring ?

    Perhaps you can tell me. Or answer any other of the questions I’ve asked in my few comments. Otherwise, have a lovely day!

    Oh ok, your questions in your comment #16.

    I’m British, I lived in the USA for quite a few years. Don’t miss it much now.

    I don’t “hate Jews”, but I think Israel, particularly under its’ current government, is a major source of trouble in the world, should never have been created as a Jewish state, and only remains viable as long as the Israeli lobby has a grip on the US congress. I think there is something very wrong with people who genuinely think of themselves as the “chosen people”, and it seems that this insane belief allows them to justify the most appalling behaviour. They don’t have the excuse of being stupid third world savages who can’t be expected to know any better. The average IQ of Jews ( of European origin anyway ) is about 7 or 8 points above average, and this combines with their extreme ethnocentricity to give them vastly more influence than their proportion of the population would justify.  

    As for them being kicked out of so many countries, that’s just a historical fact. I’m sure you can look up a comprehensive list if you’re interested, but various sources say 80 or 100+ countries / regions / territories that have expelled their Jewish population at one time or another. Edward the 1st in the 13th century, Spain in 1492 ( from memory ) are two that pop into my head. 

    I’m not a huge fan of Nazi Germany, unlike Yitzhak Shamir was until 1941……( look that one up ! ). 

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