What is the Path to Success for the GOP?

 

I am going to try this again, worded differently. I am not looking for attacks on Trump, Trump supporters, Trump skeptics, Anti-Trump, etc. I am looking for the pathway forward for the future of the Republic. What is the pathway to success?

In the spirit of understanding, I would like to know what the plan is, exactly, to make changes in a conservative direction. I ask, because, frankly, the old GOP story was “Elect us and we will change things,” and that just never was borne out. The GOP does not seem to have many wins at all.

Who are the people, and what is the planned policy to do things like:

  1. Roll back the administrative state
  2. Secure the border
  3. Improve our national security
  4. Improve voting security
  5. Stop and roll back the leftist woke agenda
  6. Stop and hold people accountable for lawfare
  7. Push back against the IT-Media complex that seeks to use private censorship

Thanks in advance.

Bryan

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  1. Ed G. Member
    Ed G.
    @EdG

    I think we can look to Turning Point USA as a model. We just need more people in more contexts. All we need is organization that actually wants to achieve what they say they want to achieve. I think it’s really that simple, which is why I’m so angry that things are the way they are.

    I know this probably isn’t as specific as you wanted, but seriously I encourage everyone to go check out the Charlie Kirk efforts.

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  2. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Your item #1 is precisely the most important item to be changed. The failure has been mainly associated with the Congress delegating authority within vague legislation authorizing the federal bureaucracy to legislate in place of the Congress and it is a disaster. Senator Mike Lee tried to address this but no success. Trump promised deregulation and did some. That is the right direction but a lot more is needed and I have no idea where this concept is in the eyes of Trump’s party platform people.

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  3. Pagodan Member
    Pagodan
    @MatthewBaylot

    There is no plan, and it certainly is not create more profit seeking media organizations at the expense of building actual political coalitions and party apparatus, preferably starting at the local level and building out from there. 

    In reality, probably the only path forward for any conservative politics is to concentrate on anti-left/woke policies and gut the universities. If you can get a coalition in there that also wantes to secure the border, great. 

    Final analysis though is that its all probably too late in the game. The institutions have already been gutted and skinned by the left, who now wear those skins like kabuki masks. Just hope some sembalnce of normality lasts long enough that you can end your days in peace. 

     

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Pagodan (View Comment):

    There is no plan, and it certainly is not create more profit seeking media organizations at the expense of building actual political coalitions and party apparatus, preferably starting at the local level and building out from there.

    In reality, probably the only path forward for any conservative politics is to concentrate on anti-left/woke policies and gut the universities. If you can get a coalition in there that also wantes to secure the border, great.

    Final analysis though is that its all probably too late in the game. The institutions have already been gutted and skinned by the left, who now wear those skins like kabuki masks. Just hope some sembalnce of normality lasts long enough that you can end your days in peace.

    And there’s your dose of joy for today! ; )

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  5. Mountie Coolidge
    Mountie
    @Mountie

    I’m working my way thru these two volumes. Flynn puts out a good perspective. I haven’t gotten to his approach yet  

     

     

    Introduction to 5GW (The Citizen’s Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare) https://a.co/d/dWjlyMa

     

    How to Fight Artificial Intelligence (AI) (The Citizen’s Guide to Fifth Generation Warfare) https://a.co/d/3XU4NOZ

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  6. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
    MWD B612 "Dawg"
    @danok1

    On #1, @bobthompson is correct. Unfortunately, to have a lasting effect requires Congress to take back the powers it delegated to the Executive departments. Or SCOTUS has to admit that such delegation is unconstitutional.

    On #2, we need to impeach those charged with enforcing the immigration laws, and we need to bite the bullet and start expedited deportations of those here illegally. I’d begin with those in our prisons. (Nota Bene: I make an exception for those we call “Dreamers,” who were brought here illegally by their families. They did nothing wrong IMHO, so I’d grant them Permanent Resident status, but with no right to apply for citizenship.)

    For #3, POTUS needs to order the military to drop all the woke BS (e.g., “transgender” troops, “Anti-racist” training, etc.) and focus on military readiness. He should call all the 4-star general officers into the Oval Office, and have a box on his desk. If a general pushes back, he needs to tell the GO to put his stars in the box; he no longer serves at the pleasure of the President. He needs to then demand weekly reports on the progress made in rolling back the woke BS. No progress, drop your stars in the box. After a few weeks, the remaining GOs will get the message.

    He also needs to work with Congress to roll back the powers of the intelligence agencies and to provide real oversight of those agencies. Ordering the AG to aggressively prosecute those who overstep their powers is another step that needs to happen. Doesn’t matter who the offender is, who appointed that person, etc. The AG gets his powers from POTUS. POTUS shouldn’t fall for the “The DOJ is supposed to be independent!” line of crap.

    That’s what I have for now…gotta get back to work.

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  7. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash
    @BishopWash

    Bryan G. Stephens: In the spirit of understanding, I would like to know  what the plan is, exactly, to make changes in a conservative direction. I ask, because, frankly, the old GOP story was “Elect us and we will changes things” and that just never was born out. The GOP seems to not have many wins at all. 

    I’m hearing the same tired lines as though we didn’t live through the last decade, ‘we need Congress and the White House and then things will change.’ No they won’t. We’ve been through this with Obama. Give us the House. Okay. Well we can’t do anything with half of Congress. Okay, he’s the Senate. Well, the President will veto our bills. Fine, here’s the Presidency. We can’t work with that Orange Buffoon. The Stupid Party is fortunate that Democrats also decided to torpedo Trump. Had Schumer and Pelosi cozied up to Trump, he probably would have signed their bills.

    McConnell’s resigning is a possibility to move things in a conservative direction, but I’m sure any replacement will have to be approved by him. Good riddance to him. He worked hard quashing the Tea Party. Not sure that him leaving will improve things much.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    McConnell’s resigning is a possibility to move things in a conservative direction, but I’m sure any replacement will have to be approved by him. Good riddance to him. He worked hard quashing the Tea Party. Not sure that him leaving will improve things much.

    Necessary, but (probably) not sufficient.

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  9. carcat74 Member
    carcat74
    @carcat74

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Your item #1 is precisely the most important item to be changed. The failure has been mainly associated with the Congress delegating authority within vague legislation authorizing the federal bureaucracy to legislate in place of the Congress and it is a disaster. Senator Mike Lee tried to address this but no success. Trump promised deregulation and did some. That is the right direction but a lot more is needed and I have no idea where this concept is in the eyes of Trump’s party platform people.

    If #1 can be EFFECTIVELY changed, the other items may be able to be changed.

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  10. carcat74 Member
    carcat74
    @carcat74

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    On #1, @ bobthompson is correct. Unfortunately, to have a lasting effect requires Congress to take back the powers it delegated to the Executive departments. Or SCOTUS has to admit that such delegation is unconstitutional.

    On #2, we need to impeach those charged with enforcing the immigration laws, and we need to bite the bullet and start expedited deportations of those here illegally. I’d begin with those in our prisons. (Nota Bene: I make an exception for those we call “Dreamers,” who were brought here illegally by their families. They did nothing wrong IMHO, so I’d grant them Permanent Resident status, but with no right to apply for citizenship.)

    For #3, POTUS needs to order the military to drop all the woke BS (e.g., “transgender” troops, “Anti-racist” training, etc.) and focus on military readiness. He should call all the 4-star general officers into the Oval Office, and have a box on his desk. If a general pushes back, he needs to tell the GO to put his stars in the box; he no longer serves at the pleasure of the President. He needs to then demand weekly reports on the progress made in rolling back the woke BS. No progress, drop your stars in the box. After a few weeks, the remaining GOs will get the message.

    He also needs to work with Congress to roll back the powers of the intelligence agencies and to provide real oversight of those agencies. Ordering the AG to aggressively prosecute those who overstep their powers is another step that needs to happen. Doesn’t matter who the offender is, who appointed that person, etc. The AG gets his powers from POTUS. POTUS shouldn’t fall for the “The DOJ is supposed to be independent!” line of crap.

    That’s what I have for now…gotta get back to work.

    Operation [REDACTED] comes to mind.  How that was accomplished is amazing.  For those in Rio Linda, ‘illegal aliens’ have no rights! 

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  11. carcat74 Member
    carcat74
    @carcat74

    Ok, a term from history was redacted? If I had capitalized it, and put it in quotation marks, would it still haven been redacted?  If so, I’m surprised ‘illegal aliens’ wasn’t redacted!  We need to stop using the polite, whitewashed terms the left keeps forcing on everyone!

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  12. carcat74 Member
    carcat74
    @carcat74

    “newcomers”, anyone?  No way, no how!

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    carcat74 (View Comment):

    Ok, a term from history was redacted? If I had capitalized it, and put it in quotation marks, would it still haven been redacted? If so, I’m surprised ‘illegal aliens’ wasn’t redacted! We need to stop using the polite, whitewashed terms the left keeps forcing on everyone!

    Some words are auto-redacted by the system upon display, not by manual action.  I think if you were to go back and edit that post, you’d find that your original words are still there.  They just don’t get displayed to others.

    I’ve seen this happen before.

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  14. WI Con Member
    WI Con
    @WICon

    What are the point of these posts? They seem very disingenuous Bryan. I would not consider myself NT (or NAT whatever that is) but am not happy with the choice. Will The Ass get my vote? Sure – he’s still repells a pretty significant portion of voters. That’s his & your problem, not mine. These posts of your lately seem like weird loyalty tests where the answer is that we just don’t agree with/worship/donate enough to Trump. Your guy won. Great, good for you – you seem really happy. Now what the hell do you want from us? I don’t have an answer for your questions – I don’t think anyone does.

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  15. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    I think we can look to Turning Point USA as a model. We just need more people in more contexts. All we need is organization that actually wants to achieve what they say they want to achieve. I think it’s really that simple, which is why I’m so angry that things are the way they are.

    I know this probably isn’t as specific as you wanted, but seriously I encourage everyone to go check out the Charlie Kirk efforts.

    Well it is a plan of sorts

    I do think there is a long game to be had here. Vote Harder has not worked. 

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  16. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Your item #1 is precisely the most important item to be changed. The failure has been mainly associated with the Congress delegating authority within vague legislation authorizing the federal bureaucracy to legislate in place of the Congress and it is a disaster. Senator Mike Lee tried to address this but no success. Trump promised deregulation and did some. That is the right direction but a lot more is needed and I have no idea where this concept is in the eyes of Trump’s party platform people.

    I wish any President would had the power back. It would be easy enough as I have outlined elsewhere. 

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    On #1, @ bobthompson is correct. Unfortunately, to have a lasting effect requires Congress to take back the powers it delegated to the Executive departments. Or SCOTUS has to admit that such delegation is unconstitutional.

    On #2, we need to impeach those charged with enforcing the immigration laws, and we need to bite the bullet and start expedited deportations of those here illegally. I’d begin with those in our prisons. (Nota Bene: I make an exception for those we call “Dreamers,” who were brought here illegally by their families. They did nothing wrong IMHO, so I’d grant them Permanent Resident status, but with no right to apply for citizenship.)

    For #3, POTUS needs to order the military to drop all the woke BS (e.g., “transgender” troops, “Anti-racist” training, etc.) and focus on military readiness. He should call all the 4-star general officers into the Oval Office, and have a box on his desk. If a general pushes back, he needs to tell the GO to put his stars in the box; he no longer serves at the pleasure of the President. He needs to then demand weekly reports on the progress made in rolling back the woke BS. No progress, drop your stars in the box. After a few weeks, the remaining GOs will get the message.

    He also needs to work with Congress to roll back the powers of the intelligence agencies and to provide real oversight of those agencies. Ordering the AG to aggressively prosecute those who overstep their powers is another step that needs to happen. Doesn’t matter who the offender is, who appointed that person, etc. The AG gets his powers from POTUS. POTUS shouldn’t fall for the “The DOJ is supposed to be independent!” line of crap.

    That’s what I have for now…gotta get back to work.

    For Congress to assert power, it needs to go back to having a real budget process

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  18. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    I’m hearing the same tired lines as though we didn’t live through the last decade, ‘we need Congress and the White House and then things will change.’

    I think lying about this is part of what created Trump in the first place. 

    Look how much the Democrats are able to do to advance their agendas.

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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    WI Con (View Comment):

    What are the point of these posts? They seem very disingenuous Bryan. I would not consider myself NT (or NAT whatever that is) but am not happy with the choice. Will The Ass get my vote? Sure. These posts of your lately seem like weird loyalty tests where the answer is that we just don’t agree with/worship/donate enough to Trump. Your guy won. Great, good for you – you seem really happy. Now what the hell do you want from us? I don’t have an answer for your questions – I don’t think anyone does.

     

     

     

    In the interest of not derailing this thread, but still wanting to respond, I’ll DM you. 

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  20. carcat74 Member
    carcat74
    @carcat74

    kedavis (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):

    Ok, a term from history was redacted? If I had capitalized it, and put it in quotation marks, would it still haven been redacted? If so, I’m surprised ‘illegal aliens’ wasn’t redacted! We need to stop using the polite, whitewashed terms the left keeps forcing on everyone!

    Some words are auto-redacted by the system upon display, not by manual action. I think if you were to go back and edit that post, you’d find that your original words are still there. They just don’t get displayed to others.

    I’ve seen this happen before.

    Ok, I can accept that, I guess.  Everyone knows what action in history is referenced, and I WISH it could be implemented now!  I also want alligators in the river, with piranhas as back-up……

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  21. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
    MWD B612 "Dawg"
    @danok1

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    On #1, @ bobthompson is correct. Unfortunately, to have a lasting effect requires Congress to take back the powers it delegated to the Executive departments. Or SCOTUS has to admit that such delegation is unconstitutional.

    On #2, we need to impeach those charged with enforcing the immigration laws, and we need to bite the bullet and start expedited deportations of those here illegally. I’d begin with those in our prisons. (Nota Bene: I make an exception for those we call “Dreamers,” who were brought here illegally by their families. They did nothing wrong IMHO, so I’d grant them Permanent Resident status, but with no right to apply for citizenship.)

    For #3, POTUS needs to order the military to drop all the woke BS (e.g., “transgender” troops, “Anti-racist” training, etc.) and focus on military readiness. He should call all the 4-star general officers into the Oval Office, and have a box on his desk. If a general pushes back, he needs to tell the GO to put his stars in the box; he no longer serves at the pleasure of the President. He needs to then demand weekly reports on the progress made in rolling back the woke BS. No progress, drop your stars in the box. After a few weeks, the remaining GOs will get the message.

    He also needs to work with Congress to roll back the powers of the intelligence agencies and to provide real oversight of those agencies. Ordering the AG to aggressively prosecute those who overstep their powers is another step that needs to happen. Doesn’t matter who the offender is, who appointed that person, etc. The AG gets his powers from POTUS. POTUS shouldn’t fall for the “The DOJ is supposed to be independent!” line of crap.

    That’s what I have for now…gotta get back to work.

    For Congress to assert power, it needs to go back to having a real budget process

    Yeah, I should have included that under my #1 response.

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  22. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
    MWD B612 "Dawg"
    @danok1

    For #4, I think Kurt Schlichter said it best yesterday, so I’ll link his column.

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  23. John Park Member
    John Park
    @jpark

    @danok1 Don’t empty out the prisons. Make any illegal immigrant guilty of a  crime that carries a deportation serve his or her sentence before we give them to ICE. Otherwise, they skate on some or all of their responsibility for violating other laws of the United States or one of the 50 States.

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  24. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
    MWD B612 "Dawg"
    @danok1

    John Park (View Comment):

    @ danok1 Don’t empty out the prisons. Make any illegal immigrant guilty of a crime that carries a deportation serve his or her sentence before we give them to ICE. Otherwise, they skate on some or all of their responsibility for violating other laws of the United States or one of the 50 States.

    Fair point! Won’t amend what I wrote above, but let’s consider that your point is in there. ;)

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  25. La Tapada Member
    La Tapada
    @LaTapada

    Bryan, you might enjoy Victor Davis Hanson’s appearance on a recent Triggernometry podcast. (I did.)

    He spoke of how certain organizations such as the Heritage Foundation are hoping to follow the example of The Federalist Society (which recommended Supreme Court nominees for Trump) and draw up plans that Trump could act on to get things done.

    I don’t know if it would work but it encouraged me to hear that there are serious organizations thinking seriously of how they can help Trump get good things done. 

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  26. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Bryan, great question.  I don’t really know, of course.  I think that we’re in the middle of a major political realignment, and the outcome is difficult to predict.

    My guess, and my hope, is that the GOP will emerge as a populist party, with its core constituency being the white working class, combined — I hope — with the working class of other races, and middle/upper-middle-class whites with traditional values.  The Democrats are increasingly becoming the part of the very rich, and the woke.  The very rich seem surprisingly woke, but maybe they’re less committed than able to indulge in such luxury beliefs.

    This would mean the GOP becoming the party of a much less interventionist, more isolationist foreign policy; strong border and immigration controls; higher taxes on the very rich (who are almost all Democrats, you know); and promotion of traditional family and community values.

    I don’t know whether this will happen.  It seems, to me, to be the current trend.

    Since we’re in the middle of a realignment, both parties are rent with internal disagreements.  Getting anything done, in the short or medium term, seems unlikely.  Maybe we can get some action on immigration and the border, and simply stop participating in foreign wars (whether in Ukraine, Gaza, or elsewhere).

    I don’t think that most of your policy ideas are particularly important.  You mention:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    • roll back the administrative state
    • secure the border
    • improve our national security
    • improve voting security
    • stop and roll back the leftist woke agenda
    • stop and hold people accountable for lawfare
    • push back against the IT-Media complex that seeks to use private censorship

    I agree that border security is important.

    I don’t think that we have to “improve” our national security, except by ceasing to take responsibility for the national security of a bunch of other countries from Ukraine to Taiwan to Israel to Saudi Arabia.  I do think that the result of such a withdrawal from our excessive overseas commitments would improve our security, but I’m not sure that this is what you have in mind.

    I think that we need to focus on making life decent for honest, working-class, married families.  Tax the bloody Woke billionaires for the money, but don’t dole it out to subsidize bastardy.  Help working people.  One way to do this would be to cut their social security taxes, replacing this with a millionaires-and-billionaires tax.

    Another possibility is to focus on making housing more affordable, probably by cutting local red tape.  This will be difficult, because it will mean a decline in housing prices, which is bad for homeowners.  Home prices are just too darned high.

    A bit of economic protectionism would probably help, too.  Tariffs.  This was actually the original Republican platform, you know.

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Bryan, great question. I don’t really know, of course. I think that we’re in the middle of a major political realignment, and the outcome is difficult to predict.

    My guess, and my hope, is that the GOP will emerge as a populist party, with its core constituency being the white working class, combined — I hope — with the working class of other races, and middle/upper-middle-class whites with traditional values. The Democrats are increasingly becoming the part of the very rich, and the woke. The very rich seem surprisingly woke, but maybe they’re less committed than able to indulge in such luxury beliefs.

    This would mean the GOP becoming the party of a much less interventionist, more isolationist foreign policy; strong border and immigration controls; higher taxes on the very rich (who are almost all Democrats, you know); and promotion of traditional family and community values.

    I don’t know whether this will happen. It seems, to me, to be the current trend.

    Since we’re in the middle of a realignment, both parties are rent with internal disagreements. Getting anything done, in the short or medium term, seems unlikely. Maybe we can get some action on immigration and the border, and simply stop participating in foreign wars (whether in Ukraine, Gaza, or elsewhere).

    I don’t think that most of your policy ideas are particularly important. You mention:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    • roll back the administrative state
    • secure the border
    • improve our national security
    • improve voting security
    • stop and roll back the leftist woke agenda
    • stop and hold people accountable for lawfare
    • push back against the IT-Media complex that seeks to use private censorship

    I agree that border security is important.

    I don’t think that we have to “improve” our national security, except by ceasing to take responsibility for the national security of a bunch of other countries from Ukraine to Taiwan to Israel to Saudi Arabia. I do think that the result of such a withdrawal from our excessive overseas commitments would improve our security, but I’m not sure that this is what you have in mind.

    That is actually, part of what I mean. I also mean making sure we can build our weapons and arms here. That means being actually prepared to fight a real war with a near peer. 

    I think that we need to focus on making life decent for honest, working-class, married families. Tax the bloody Woke billionaires for the money, but don’t dole it out to subsidize bastardy. Help working people. One way to do this would be to cut their social security taxes, replacing this with a millionaires-and-billionaires tax.

    I do not think the rich should pay more in taxes. 

    Another possibility is to focus on making housing more affordable, probably by cutting local red tape. This will be difficult, because it will mean a decline in housing prices, which is bad for homeowners. Home prices are just too darned high.

    Getting government out of the picture would help. However, that is often a local issue. 

    A bit of economic protectionism would probably help, too. Tariffs. This was actually the original Republican platform, you know.

    Well and the ending of slavery

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  28. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    John Park (View Comment):

    @ danok1 Don’t empty out the prisons. Make any illegal immigrant guilty of a crime that carries a deportation serve his or her sentence before we give them to ICE. Otherwise, they skate on some or all of their responsibility for violating other laws of the United States or one of the 50 States.

    For example, illegal aliens that fail to register for the draft within 30 days, are subject to a 5-year sentence and $250,000 fine. 

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  29. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    The path to success does not end with the November vote.   It is a daily slog in every institution until critical mass is achieved–school boards, classrooms, churches, PTA meetings, city counsel, mayor,…  Everywhere you go is a place to evangelize for a return to the enlightenment.

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  30. Raxxalan Member
    Raxxalan
    @Raxxalan

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):
    For #3, POTUS needs to order the military to drop all the woke BS (e.g., “transgender” troops, “Anti-racist” training, etc.) and focus on military readiness. He should call all the 4-star general officers into the Oval Office, and have a box on his desk. If a general pushes back, he needs to tell the GO to put his stars in the box; he no longer serves at the pleasure of the President. He needs to then demand weekly reports on the progress made in rolling back the woke BS. No progress, drop your stars in the box. After a few weeks, the remaining GOs will get the message.

    I personally believe that we should fire all officers at flag rank.  Then we need to rebuild our general staff and make it a lot leaner and meaner.  We currently have more flag officers than we had during all of World War II.  I think that is somewhat obscene.

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