Biden May Sacrifice Israel, or Tlaib is Aiding and Abetting Terrorists

 

The people in Dearborn, MI seem to think that they can singlehandedly determine whether President Biden wins the election in November. With those who have joined up to sabotage his election run, including local Dearborn officials and Rep. Rashida Tlaib, who is essentially supporting terrorism, it could have an impact on election results.

But will the effect be as consequential as Democrats and Joe Biden believe?

Let me explain my thinking.

First, Rashida Tlaib has been campaigning for Biden to side with Hamas in the Gaza War. For a resolution condemning the rape and sexual violence ordered by Hamas and carried out by their followers, Tlaib refused to vote. In addition, she was censured:

In November, the House censured Tlaib for having ‘defended the brutal rapes, murders, beheadings, and kidnapping — including of Americans — by Hamas as justified.’

Only 22 Democrats voted in support of that Republican-led resolution.

Tlaib, a Palestinian American and member of the progressive ‘Squad,’ received the rebuke for promoting ‘false narratives’ about the war on her social media account and posting the phrase ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.’

So, a number of issues have developed. In some ways, Tlaib is betraying not only the Democrats, but also the support of a long-term ally, Israel; she has told anyone who will listen in Michigan that they should vote “uncommitted” rather than vote for Joe Biden in today’s Democrat primary. She is demonstrating her support of Hamas, the organization that took hostages (including Americans), but has violated every tenet of lawful war and has committed war crimes.

Meanwhile, Biden has sent representatives to talk to Arab constituents in Dearborn (although he hasn’t gone himself). He’s worried that enough of those voters could refuse to vote for him, not only in the primary but in November, and compromise his victory, even though the Arab population is only 2.1% in Michigan..

Will he become desperate enough to shift his positions on Israel? Will he try to force them into an absurd hostage swap where Hamas has demanded an exchange of thousands of Palestinian prisoners for only some of the hostages? Will he insist on an unreasonable cease fire that would jeopardize Israel’s ability to be successful in this war? Will he require plans for a two-state solution, rewarding the Palestinians for their horrific October 7 attack?

As an aside, people periodically voice their concerns about American Jews who support Israel, saying their allegiances are compromised between the two countries.

I think that’s exactly the position that Rashida Tlaib is in, too, between the U.S. and Gaza.

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  1. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    For those people who might be new to my posts, I always try to be at least polite to those who comment. Jerry repeatedly attacks my posts and tries to characterize me as a terrible person. I’ve learned that the best strategy is to not engage, but sometimes I feel like I must say something. I almost never debate his nonsense.

    That is because Jerry is a demented Jew-hating heretic. I personnally trust that my Jewish Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth, will consign his soul to hell should he not repent of his sins. Which are many and manifest. The egregious and thoroughly repellent violations of the ninth commandment with respect to you, in particular.

    Speaking of which:

    https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/everyone-knows-what-you-mean-when-you-say-zionist/

    Jerry should read it before he goes to his next Bund meeting.

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    For those people who might be new to my posts, I always try to be at least polite to those who comment. Jerry repeatedly attacks my posts and tries to characterize me as a terrible person. I’ve learned that the best strategy is to not engage, but sometimes I feel like I must say something. I almost never debate his nonsense.

    That is because Jerry is a demented Jew-hating heretic. . .

    Although he reportedly also hates every religious sect other than his (according to some Ricochet commenters.) I guess he just has a special place in his heart spleen for Jews.

    Guys, I think a literal charity is due here. And let’s not mind read the mind of G-d or Jerry. Just ignore/flag offensive comments. If all Jerry hears is the echo of his own voice then there will be less energy. If we are free speech advocates we let people reveal themselves. If there is constructive counterpoints to be expressed, express them. But if it is known to be fruitless, better to not respond.

    Exactly. We are free speech advocates. He has his free speech and we morally sane people have ours.

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  2. She Member
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    Susan Quinn: The people in Dearborn, MI seem to think that they can singlehandedly determine whether President Biden wins the election in November.

    If they stay away in sufficient numbers in November that Michigan and its 15 EC votes are thrown to Trump, they very well may, as is being reported by several news organizations today.  Like you, Susan, I don’t put a value judgment on the premise, neither am I suggesting that there’s something “wrong” with people casting votes however they wish, however misguided or ignorant I may think them.  And frankly, if Biden loses Michigan, I’ll consider that a very good thing, no matter the reason.  Meantime, watching Joe walk a tightrope between the Jews and the Palestinians for the next several months might be somewhat entertaining, although fraught with peril in many directions and ways.

    Susan Quinn:

    As an aside, people periodically voice their concerns about American Jews who support Israel, saying their allegiances are compromised between the two countries.

    I think that’s exactly the position that Rashida Tlaib is in, too, between the U.S. and Gaza.

    Agree.  I’ve mentioned this a couple of times myself here, and how interesting it is that it’s the Jews who are regularly accused of “dual loyalty” (with the This Is A Very Bad Thing implication) whenever they say something remotely supportive of Israel.  And yet the spectrum of Jewish opinion on the war, in the US and elsewhere, runs the gamut from robustly supportive to energetically opposed, while the Palestinian point of view is monolithic and undifferentiated, and Rashida Tlaib (for example) frequently refers to herself as a Palestinian, with no “American” modifier.

    Sauce for the goose, etc.

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  3. Terence Smith Coolidge
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    After the polls close in Dearborn each precinct prints a tabulator totals  tape and posts it on the wall. Any member of the public can view the results.   In one precinct uncommitted beat Biden by an amazing total of  250 to 5. (BTW: in the same precinct uncommitted beat Trump too, 31 to 29). There were millage renewals but turnout still seemed high for a primary where the frontrunners were certain to win.  Across the city uncommitted  won a majority of the vote over Biden.   Biden was similarly beaten in Hamtramck which has a large Yemeni population.  So Arab Americans will vote as a block on issues they care about and obviously the war in Gaza is hugely important.  They identify with the civilians in Gaza so the casualties and hardships pull at the heart.

    Activist political groups as well as other local political leaders promoted voting uncommitted so I would not give Tlaib too much credit/blame. They are not changing minds just  channeling existing opinion into a specific action. An example of politicians running to the front of the parade.

    IMO: Its not possible to criticize Tlaib too much and Israel also has to do what’s necessary to prevent another October 7th attack.  One would hope that the war in Gaza is so important the administration would just do the right thing and not worry about politics but…

    Speaking of politics, I find the county comparisons of Democrat votes interesting.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/elections/results/2024-02-27/primaries/democratic/michigan

    Fashion forward progressive Washtenaw (home to University of Michigan) voted  uncommitted (17.3%) about the same as urban Wayne County (16.8%) which contains Dearborn and Hamtramck. In all the other counties roughly 10% voted uncommitted.  My  takeaways are that though he has consistently catered to them , Biden should fear losing the progressives (who are nationwide) more than Arab Americans who are less numerous and  concentrated in a few states. The other thing is despite his unpopularity in the polls, he is still getting over 80% in the primaries. Democrats can’t be too unhappy with him.

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  4. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Terence Smith (View Comment):
    Activist political groups as well as local political leaders promoted voting uncommitted so I would not give Tlaib too much credit/blame.

    I agree. I tried to separate  Tlaib from the “uncommitted” for the reason you state, and emphasize her support of terrorists.

    Terence Smith (View Comment):
    Its not possible to criticize Tlaib and Israel also has to do what’s necessary to prevent another October 7th attack.

    I don’t understand the first part of this sentence.

    It will be fascinating to see how Arabs vote in November: will they vote uncommitted or finally come around to Biden? Or just stay home?

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  5. Terence Smith Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Terence Smith (View Comment):
    Activist political groups as well as local political leaders promoted voting uncommitted so I would not give Tlaib too much credit/blame.

    I agree. I tried to separate Tlaib from the “uncommitted” for the reason you state, and emphasize her support of terrorists.

    Terence Smith (View Comment):
    Its not possible to criticize Tlaib and Israel also has to do what’s necessary to prevent another October 7th attack.

    I don’t understand the first part of this sentence.

    It will be fascinating to see how Arabs vote in November: will they vote uncommitted or finally come around to Biden? Or just stay home?

    Fixed my comment. Unfortunately I have to edit multiple times before I come up with something intelligible.  I meant to say  Tlaib is so bad she can’t be criticized too much.

    I have no guess on what happens in November.

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  6. cdor Member
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    All depends on something that is not going to happen…Joe Biden will not be the Democrat nominee for POTUS in 2024.

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  7. DrewInLowerOrderAutonomousZone 🚫 Banned
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    cdor (View Comment):

    All depends on something that is not going to happen…Joe Biden will not be the Democrat nominee for POTUS in 2024.

    If I was a betting man, I’d wager against that premise.

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  8. cdor Member
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    DrewInLowerOrderAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    All depends on something that is not going to happen…Joe Biden will not be the Democrat nominee for POTUS in 2024.

    If I was a betting man, I’d wager against that premise.

    Possibly poor wording on my part. The intent was to say that any conversation about the election candidates that has Biden as the Dem nominee is most likely a waste of time.

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    cdor (View Comment):

    DrewInLowerOrderAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    All depends on something that is not going to happen…Joe Biden will not be the Democrat nominee for POTUS in 2024.

    If I was a betting man, I’d wager against that premise.

    Possibly poor wording on my part. The intent was to say that any conversation about the election candidates that has Biden as the Dem nominee is most likely a waste of time.

    Same response. I just don’t think they’ll replace him. Not unless he becomes completely incapacitated or dies. (But likely not even then. Wouldn’t be the first time dead people have remained on a ballot. Some even win.)

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  10. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Biden went for his annual physical today. Can’t wait to see what they say about his mental status.

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Terence Smith (View Comment):

    After the polls close in Dearborn each precinct prints a tabulator totals tape and posts it on the wall. Any member of the public can view the results. In one precinct uncommitted beat Biden by an amazing total of 250 to 5. (BTW: in the same precinct uncommitted beat Trump too, 31 to 29). There were millage renewals but turnout still seemed high for a primary where the frontrunners were certain to win. Across the city uncommitted won a majority of the vote over Biden. Biden was similarly beaten in Hamtramck which has a large Yemeni population. So Arab Americans will vote as a block on issues they care about and obviously the war in Gaza is hugely important. They identify with the civilians in Gaza so the casualties and hardships pull at the heart.

    The likelihood of people remaining “uncommitted” for the general vs the primary, seems low.

     

    Activist political groups as well as other local political leaders promoted voting uncommitted so I would not give Tlaib too much credit/blame. They are not changing minds just channeling existing opinion into a specific action. An example of politicians running to the front of the parade.

    IMO: Its not possible to criticize Tlaib too much and Israel also has to do what’s necessary to prevent another October 7th attack. One would hope that the war in Gaza is so important the administration would just do the right thing and not worry about politics but…

    Speaking of politics, I find the county comparisons of Democrat votes interesting.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/elections/results/2024-02-27/primaries/democratic/michigan

    Fashion forward progressive Washtenaw (home to University of Michigan) voted uncommitted (17.3%) about the same as urban Wayne County (16.8%) which contains Dearborn and Hamtramck. In all the other counties roughly 10% voted uncommitted. My takeaways are that though he has consistently catered to them , Biden should fear losing the progressives (who are nationwide) more than Arab Americans who are less numerous and concentrated in a few states. The other thing is despite his unpopularity in the polls, he is still getting over 80% in the primaries. Democrats can’t be too unhappy with him.

    That’s 80% of the people who vote, but the actual turnout matters too.

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Terence Smith (View Comment):
    Activist political groups as well as local political leaders promoted voting uncommitted so I would not give Tlaib too much credit/blame.

    I agree. I tried to separate Tlaib from the “uncommitted” for the reason you state, and emphasize her support of terrorists.

    Terence Smith (View Comment):
    Its not possible to criticize Tlaib and Israel also has to do what’s necessary to prevent another October 7th attack.

    I don’t understand the first part of this sentence.

    It will be fascinating to see how Arabs vote in November: will they vote uncommitted or finally come around to Biden? Or just stay home?

    I don’t think “uncommitted” is an option in a general election.

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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Biden went for his annual physical today. Can’t wait to see what they say about his mental status.

    Last I heard, they haven’t been giving him that part of the test.  But maybe that’s only optional at other times, not the “official” annual one.

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  14. db25db Inactive
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    For those people who might be new to my posts, I always try to be at least polite to those who comment. Jerry repeatedly attacks my posts and tries to characterize me as a terrible person. I’ve learned that the best strategy is to not engage, but sometimes I feel like I must say something. I almost never debate his nonsense.

    Jerry does want a theocracy in America so he’s just a wee bit bound to the ‘idiological hold’ views he think only control others.

    Also the great thing about conservatives.  we engage will all types and dont cancel each other.  Jerry is a quite terrible fringe on the right, but he’s still an American and can have an opinion.  It’s important to know what people think in order to engage it.

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  15. Charles Mark Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Because, again, this is what ideological possession does to a person. Under the spell of Zionism, one will do or say almost anything.

    Zionism is not the only ideology with this effect. It is the one that is manifesting here.

    ”Under the spell of Zionism”? Is that like being “hypnotised by Israel”- as said by another member of “The Squad”? 

    Please don’t criticise others for extreme language when you deploy it yourself. 

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  16. Zafar Member
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    Hot tip: if you don’t like the message your first response should be to shoot the messenger.  Do not, repeat do not, engage with the message to disprove it with documented facts. At the most use assertions.

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  17. DrewInLowerOrderAutonomousZone 🚫 Banned
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Hot tip: if you don’t like the message your first response should be to shoot the messenger.

    New trending GIF tagged fox smile laughing laugh point john... | John  stamos, Stamos, Giphy

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  18. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Hot tip: if you don’t like the message your first response should be to shoot the messenger. Do not, repeat do not, engage with the message to disprove it with documented facts. At the most use assertions.

    Thanks for the tip. But when I see the facts are not facts, I will not engage.

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  19. Zafar Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Hot tip: if you don’t like the message your first response should be to shoot the messenger. Do not, repeat do not, engage with the message to disprove it with documented facts. At the most use assertions.

    Thanks for the tip. But when I see the facts are not facts, I will not engage.

    We can quibble about the numbers Susan, but they are using hunger/starvation of civilians as a tool of war.  Maybe it’s always used this way in conflicts, maybe they feel they’re justified, maybe they feel the objective this could achieve justifies it, but it is what it is.

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  20. DrewInLowerOrderAutonomousZone 🚫 Banned
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    I rather liked your idea about the exchange of gunfire instead. 

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  21. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Zafar (View Comment):
    We can quibble about the numbers Susan, but they are using hunger/starvation of civilians as a tool of war.

    What it is, is Hamas stealing the food for themselves, and you know it.

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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    We can quibble about the numbers Susan, but they are using hunger/starvation of civilians as a tool of war.

    What it is, is Hamas stealing the food for themselves, and you know it.

    So why didn’t Hamas taking food cause starvation in Gaza before this?  Did they not eat before October 7?

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  23. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    We can quibble about the numbers Susan, but they are using hunger/starvation of civilians as a tool of war.

    What it is, is Hamas stealing the food for themselves, and you know it.

    So why didn’t Hamas taking food cause starvation in Gaza before this? Did they not eat before October 7?

    Oh come on, Zafar. Food was ample before 10/7. If you’re going to make that kind of argument, I’m done.

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  24. Zafar Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    We can quibble about the numbers Susan, but they are using hunger/starvation of civilians as a tool of war.

    What it is, is Hamas stealing the food for themselves, and you know it.

    So why didn’t Hamas taking food cause starvation in Gaza before this? Did they not eat before October 7?

    Oh come on, Zafar. Food was ample before 10/7. If you’re going to make that kind of argument, I’m done.

    My point is that it is not ample now.

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  25. cdor Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    We can quibble about the numbers Susan, but they are using hunger/starvation of civilians as a tool of war.

    What it is, is Hamas stealing the food for themselves, and you know it.

    So why didn’t Hamas taking food cause starvation in Gaza before this? Did they not eat before October 7?

    You speak as though the people inhabiting Gaza are innocent little angels who never elected and who do not even now support the terrorist, bigoted, Jew-hating Hamas regime. You wish us to believe it was someone else cheering in the streets when the GoPro camera footage was taken by the animals who attacked a peaceful event attended by mostly young men and women. The footage showed the horrific actions of rape and sexual mutilation and murder. Do you think this is some game? Now the Israelis, who have suffered constant bombardment since abandoning the Gaza territory to these people must feed them after suffering this last over-the-top hideous attack? The Gazans have declared war on Israel. Since its inception, Hamas has stated in its charter the intent to destroy Israel and all of the Jews within its territory. If we go back in history, is feeding the enemy how wars are waged. That would be news to me.

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  26. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    We can quibble about the numbers Susan, but they are using hunger/starvation of civilians as a tool of war.

    What it is, is Hamas stealing the food for themselves, and you know it.

    So why didn’t Hamas taking food cause starvation in Gaza before this? Did they not eat before October 7?

    Oh come on, Zafar. Food was ample before 10/7. If you’re going to make that kind of argument, I’m done.

    My point is that it is not ample now.

    Exactly. What supplies there are, are stolen.

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  27. Percival Thatcher
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Biden went for his annual physical today. Can’t wait to see what they say about his mental status.

    As little as possible.

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  28. Rodin Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Biden went for his annual physical today. Can’t wait to see what they say about his mental status.

    As little as possible.

    I think “blank” is the correct term for the cognitive assessment entry.

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  29. Zafar Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    We can quibble about the numbers Susan, but they are using hunger/starvation of civilians as a tool of war.

    What it is, is Hamas stealing the food for themselves, and you know it.

    So why didn’t Hamas taking food cause starvation in Gaza before this? Did they not eat before October 7?

    Oh come on, Zafar. Food was ample before 10/7. If you’re going to make that kind of argument, I’m done.

    My point is that it is not ample now.

    Exactly. What supplies there are, are stolen.

    Both things can be true.

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  30. Zafar Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    We can quibble about the numbers Susan, but they are using hunger/starvation of civilians as a tool of war.

    What it is, is Hamas stealing the food for themselves, and you know it.

    So why didn’t Hamas taking food cause starvation in Gaza before this? Did they not eat before October 7?

    You speak as though the people inhabiting Gaza are innocent little angels who never elected and who do not even now support the terrorist, bigoted, Jew-hating Hamas regime. You wish us to believe it was someone else cheering in the streets when the GoPro camera footage was taken by the animals who attacked a peaceful event attended by mostly young men and women. The footage showed the horrific actions of rape and sexual mutilation and murder. Do you think this is some game? Now the Israelis, who have suffered constant bombardment since abandoning the Gaza territory to these people must feed them after suffering this last over-the-top hideous attack? The Gazans have declared war on Israel. Since its inception, Hamas has stated in its charter the intent to destroy Israel and all of the Jews within its territory. If we go back in history, is feeding the enemy how wars are waged. That would be news to me.

    You speak as if they deserve to starve.

    https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule53

    From which:

    Rule 53. The use of starvation of the civilian population as a method of warfare is prohibited.

     

     

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