Genocide Joe May be a Fitting Moniker

 

One of the latest slurs against Joe Biden has been calling him “Genocide Joe.” Pro-Hamas protestors are attacking Biden for his support of Israel, and their claim that he is supporting genocide is untrue on its face: the war in Gaza is not genocide. But the negative criticism of the positions that Biden has been taking in support of Israel indicate he doesn’t have global support:

Former Obama apparatchik Van Jones was on CNN Thursday, applying heavy pressure to Old Joe Biden to get him to end the U.S. alliance with Israel and abandon the Jewish state to the tender mercies of Hamas and the Islamic Republic of Iran. Today’s youth, said Jones, and remember, the children are our future and all that, have a cutting new nickname for the sinister old kleptocrat in the Oval Office: Genocide Joe. And if Old Joe doesn’t throw Israel to the wolves, and pronto, that nickname is going to stick. What Jones didn’t say, however, was the most important point of all: Israel is not committing a genocide at all, and this claim is a product of leftist and jihadi propaganda, to which young people today are disturbingly susceptible.

Biden and his sidekick Antony Blinken have teamed up to put even greater pressure on Israel to agree to a two-state solution. In some ways, this is not new discussion, but in many ways the narrative has changed. Instead of using the language from the Oslo Agreements, which insisted on a negotiated agreement, leaders are insisting on giving the Palestinians their own state.

[David] Cameron’s remarks suggest that Britain is now ready to recognize a Palestinian state without waiting for a negotiated Israeli-Palestinian agreement.

This turnabout in US and British policy aims to create facts on the ground by establishing a terrorist genocidal Arab state on Israel’s doorstep, on either side of Israel, and encourage the Palestinians not to resume peace negotiations with Israel.

The U.S. and Britain are not the only ones changing the narrative:

The EU’s Foreign Minister Josep Borrell said recently, ‘I don’t think we should talk about the Middle East peace process anymore. We should start talking specifically about the two-state-solution implementation process.’ What if Israel does not agree, and views a Palestinian state as an unacceptable security threat? Borrell’s answer was that ‘One thing is clear—Israel cannot have the veto right to the self-determination of the Palestinian people. The United Nations recognizes and has recognized many times the self-determination right of the Palestinian people. No one can veto it.’

This change in narrative suggests that the Palestinians can also continue to behave as they always have:

Why should any Palestinian leader return to the negotiating table with Israel when the Americans and British are already offering them a state on a platter, unilaterally and unconditionally? By making such statements, the US and Britain are sending a message to the Palestinians that they can continue to carry out terrorist attacks against Israel and do not need to renounce terrorism, dismantle the multiple armed groups in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, recognize Israel as the homeland of the Jewish people or do anything at all.

A serious question that arises when discussing a two-state solution is who will govern. No one (outside of the Palestinians) takes seriously the recommendation that Hamas will participate in governing. Then there are those people who recommend that the Palestinian Authority would be a good choice; they would just need to submit to a complete makeover to qualify, according to the United States. Of course, no one has asked the PA how it feels about making potential changes. Meanwhile, the PA continues its policy of paying survivors of suicide bombers and supports Hamas:

It is no wonder then that the PA has until now refused to condemn Hamas’s October 7 atrocities. It is not because the PA is afraid of Hamas. Instead, it is because Abbas and his cohorts consider Hamas an integral and indispensable part of Palestinian society, as well as a future partner in a Palestinian government.

Biden likes to blame Benjamin Netanyahu for being a major roadblock to creating a two-state solution, but the Israeli people are overwhelmingly against that effort. A survivor of the October 7 atrocity made the following statement:

In an interview last month with Israel’s Channel 14, Bachar explained, ‘We need to ask if we are capable of coexisting there. The 7th of October showed that the level of evil there means that coexistence is apparently impossible. We can’t do it anymore. Because we gave them everything. They even worked in our community. And in the end, we were proven wrong. … We reached the point where their children burned us alive in our shelters. The older ones shot us through the doors. And anyone who tried to jump out the window—they shot him again. Their elderly, on wheelchairs, and their handicapped arrived at Kibbutz Be’eri, and they looted us and kidnapped us as hostages. We need to understand this situation. And when a person has infinite demands at negotiations, apparently, either we won’t be here or they won’t be here. We mustn’t leave.’

The problems with creating two states are also enormous. Some aren’t difficult to resolve, but others are serious, as Elliott Abrams explains:

. . . the tough one is Jerusalem. Will East Jerusalem be the capital of a Palestinian state? If so, what does that mean? The old Arab Quarter only, or the Christian and Armenian quarters too? Do their residents have any say in this? Is it actually being proposed that the Western Wall would be the Israeli border, and if you stand there and look up you are looking at another country? Or that David’s Citadel and the Tower of David would be in Palestine? A look at the map of Jerusalem shows how impractical is the division of Jerusalem again if the city is to thrive, but what about politics? Which Israeli politicians of the left or center are going to be in favor of dividing Jerusalem again, going back to the pre-1967 days—and doing it in the aftermath of the Hamas massacres of October 7?

I think that Elliott Abrams addresses the two-state solution with credibility and candor:

Creating a Palestinian state will not end the ‘Israeli-Palestinian conflict’ because it will not end the Palestinian and now Iranian dream of eliminating the State of Israel. On the contrary, it can be a launching pad for new attacks on Israel and will certainly be viewed that way by the Jewish state’s most dedicated enemies. A peaceful Palestinian state that represents no threat to Israel is a mirage. It is an illusion indulged by people in the West who want to seem progressive and compassionate, and those in the Arab world who fear resisting the powerful anti-Israel currents that circulate there and are now fortified by Iran. The future security of Israel depends in good part on resisting the two-state formula for endless conflict.

Given the international pressures being put on Israel, it’s conceivable that somehow Israel will give in to the demands for a two-state solution, and a devastating encounter will follow.

At that point, Joe Biden’s new moniker, “Genocide Joe”, will probably be apt.

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  1. Stad Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn: Biden and his sidekick Antony Blinken have teamed up to put even greater pressure on Israel to agree to a two-state solution.

    The only way a two-state solution has a chance of working is if the Palestinian state is not located right next to Israel.  Even so, their hatred will still exist . . .

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: Biden and his sidekick Antony Blinken have teamed up to put even greater pressure on Israel to agree to a two-state solution.

    The only way a two-state solution has a chance of working is if the Palestinian state is not located right next to Israel. Even so, their hatred will still exist . . .

    And there is literally nowhere for them to go, or anyone who wants them…

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
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    Related: Why Biden Is Threatening To Veto Aid To Israel

     

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  4. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order O… (View Comment):

    Related: Why Biden Is Threatening To Veto Aid To Israel

     

    Great piece by David Harsanyi. How far will Biden go to get his way?

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  5. Sisyphus Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order O… (View Comment):

    Related: Why Biden Is Threatening To Veto Aid To Israel

     

    Great piece by David Harsanyi. How far will Biden go to get his way?

    However far his puppet master tells him to go.

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  6. StChristopher Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order O… (View Comment):

    Related: Why Biden Is Threatening To Veto Aid To Israel

     

    Great piece by David Harsanyi. How far will Biden go to get his way?

     I just can’t wrap my head around the support for Hamas or even turning a blind eye to what they did on October 7,2023.  How in a sane world can the response to those attacks be to give the supporters and organizers of those atrocities a homeland.? I thought we all understood from 9/11 that terrorist should not have a country in which to launch their attacks on civilization.  (BTW I’m a big fan of the common sense of David Harsanyi).  

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  7. Rodin Member
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    Susan Quinn:

    and a devastating encounter will follow.

     

    Without a doubt. The reality is that for all practical purposes Israel is on its own and must act upon that knowledge. Friends do not ask friends to expose their necks to the knife. Biden (and non-Jewish progressives) are no friend to Israel and are currently in control of US policy. Jewish progressives, if they remain in the progressive camp, are tools of propaganda and not friends of Israel.

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  8. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    StChristopher (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order O… (View Comment):

    Related: Why Biden Is Threatening To Veto Aid To Israel

     

    Great piece by David Harsanyi. How far will Biden go to get his way?

    I just can’t wrap my head around the support for Hamas or even turning a blind eye to what they did on October 7,2023. How in a sane world can the response to those attacks be to give the supporters and organizers of those atrocities a homeland.? I thought we all understood from 9/11 that terrorist should not have a country in which to launch their attacks on civilization. (BTW I’m a big fan of the common sense of David Harsanyi).

    What drives me nuts, John, is that there’s no willingness to look at the facts! That the PA are still terrorists and allied with Hamas; I read that the West Bank supports Hamas more than the Gazans do. I feel like I’m watching a bunch of kids play school, who gets to be the teacher and who gets to be the student, and it’s just make-believe.  Listen up, folks! This is real life! Not a game!

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn:

    and a devastating encounter will follow.

     

    Without a doubt. The reality is that for all practical purposes Israel is on its own and must act upon that knowledge. Friends do not ask friends to expose their necks to the knife. Biden (and non-Jewish progressives) are no friend to Israel and are currently in control of US policy. Jewish progressives, if they remain in the progressive camp, are tools of propaganda and not friends of Israel.

    Is Biden willing to sacrifice Israel for his election results??

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn:

    and a devastating encounter will follow.

     

    Without a doubt. The reality is that for all practical purposes Israel is on its own and must act upon that knowledge. Friends do not ask friends to expose their necks to the knife. Biden (and non-Jewish progressives) are no friend to Israel and are currently in control of US policy. Jewish progressives, if they remain in the progressive camp, are tools of propaganda and not friends of Israel.

    Is Biden willing to sacrifice Israel for his election results??

    Yes. That’s the sort of people who run this country.

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  11. MarciN Member
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    I think it’s probably because my parents were divorced, but I don’t understand what the one-state solution looks like for Gazans that will ensure peace for Israel and the Gaza Strip. The Gazans don’t want to be part of Israel.

    In the recent past, there was a unified state to some extent. It didn’t work, and in 2006 Israel pulled out completely because of the hostility the Israelis were treated with.

    Forcing Gazans to merge into Israel seems to me to be a recipe for disaster. They will never accept it, and the terrorism will continue. And a merger would feed right into their false narrative of Israel creating an apartheid state and oppressing them. Not only will it embolden and fire up the terrorists, it will engender global anger at Israel for strong-arming the Gazans.

    The only way forward that I see is an independent Gazan state with an obliterated Hamas followed by a complete regime change. That would have to be instituted by an international enforcement effort of some kind after the war is over.

    I don’t think it ever works to force people to be together who don’t want to be.

    I don’t see how Israel governs Gaza in such a way that the Gazans will be happy and content citizens of Israel.

    It’s kind of why we have Native American reservations in the United States. Hawaii has some type of independent reservations as well.

    I must be missing something in how the Gazans and Israelis interact and feel about other. I can’t see a one-state solution ever working. But other people do see a one-state solution as viable and the best answer.

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  12. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I think it’s probably because my parents were divorced, but I don’t understand what the one-state solution looks like for Gazans that will ensure peace for Israel and the Gaza Strip. The Gazans don’t want to be part of Israel.

    In the recent past, there was a unified state to some extent. It didn’t work, and in 2006 Israel pulled out completely because of the hostility the Israelis were treated with.

    Forcing Gazans to merge into Israel seems to me to be a recipe for disaster. They will never accept it, and the terrorism will continue. And a merger would feed right into their false narrative of Israel creating an apartheid state and oppressing them. Not only will it embolden and fire up the terrorists, it will engender global anger at Israel for strong-arming the Gazans.

    The only way forward that I see is an independent Gazan state with an obliterated Hamas followed by a complete regime change. That would have to be instituted by an international enforcement effort of some kind after the war is over.

    I think don’t it ever works to force people to be together who don’t want to be.

    I don’t see how Israel governs Gaza in such a way that the Gazans will be happy and content citizens of Israel.

    It’s kind of why we have Native American reservations in the United States.

    I must be missing something in how the Gazans and Israelis interact and feel about other. I can’t see a one-state solution ever working.

    Maybe I wasn’t clear. No one wants a one -state solution. Except the Gazans who want to destroy Israel.

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  13. Instugator Thatcher
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    I don’t understand what the one-state solution looks like for Gazans that will ensure peace for Israel and the Gaza Strip. The Gazans don’t want to be part of Israel.

    The Gazan version of a one state solution is this: No Israel, only Palestine.

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    Maybe I wasn’t clear. No one wants a one -state solution. Except the Gazans who want to destroy Israel.

    The West Bank-ers also want the Gazan version of a one-state solution.

    Here is what I don’t understand.

    On Oct 6th there was  already in place a de-facto three state solution. Gaza, with its own government (Hamas). The West Bank (Palestinian Authority). Israel. Three geographic entities, each with their own government, with various forms of international recognition. Hamas attacked Israel, and for act it was invaded and is in the process of being conquered.

    Why do people insist on a two state solution, when there is a three state solution in place?

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  14. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    I don’t understand what the one-state solution looks like for Gazans that will ensure peace for Israel and the Gaza Strip. The Gazans don’t want to be part of Israel.

    The Gazan version of a one state solution is this: No Israel, only Palestine.

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    Maybe I wasn’t clear. No one wants a one -state solution. Except the Gazans who want to destroy Israel.

    The West Bank-ers also want the Gazan version of a one-state solution.

    Here is what I don’t understand.

    On Oct 6th there was already in place a de-facto three state solution. Gaza, with its own government (Hamas). The West Bank (Palestinian Authority). Israel. Three geographic entities, each with their own government, with various forms of international recognition. Hamas attacked Israel, and for act it was invaded and is in the process of being conquered.

    Why do people insist on a two state solution, when there is a three state solution in place?

    They expect to combine the West Bank and Gaza. Of course, Mahmoud Abbas doesn’t want to govern both. It’s such a mess.

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  15. Instugator Thatcher
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    They expect to combine the West Bank and Gaza. Of course, Mahmoud Abbas doesn’t want to govern both. It’s such a mess.

    Who expects to combine the West Bank and Gaza?

    It certainly isn’t the Palestinians, unless the method of doing so is the destruction of Israel.

     

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  16. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    They expect to combine the West Bank and Gaza. Of course, Mahmoud Abbas doesn’t want to govern both. It’s such a mess.

    Who expects to combine the West Bank and Gaza?

    It certainly isn’t the Palestinians, unless the method of doing so is the destruction of Israel.

     

    The U.S. expects to “reform” the Palestinian Authority so that it will be fit to govern Gaza. They are not two separate countries. When Hamas won the elections in Gaza in 2005 or so, Abbas held on to the West Bank, so right now they are governed separately. Don’t expect any changes to make sense at this time, Instugator.

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  17. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Instugator (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    They expect to combine the West Bank and Gaza. Of course, Mahmoud Abbas doesn’t want to govern both. It’s such a mess.

    Who expects to combine the West Bank and Gaza?

    It certainly isn’t the Palestinians, unless the method of doing so is the destruction of Israel.

     

    The U.S. expects to “reform” the Palestinian Authority so that it will be fit to govern Gaza. They are not two separate countries. When Hamas won the elections in Gaza in 2005 or so, Abbas held on to the West Bank, so right now they are governed separately. Don’t expect any changes to make sense at this time, Instugator.

    The problem with Palestinians isn’t a complicated political situation exacerbated by years of harsh international strike. The problem with Palestinians are the Palestinians themselves. You saw the supposedly moderate Palestinians in Melbourne and London and Michigan. The average Palestinian supports genocide against Jews. Simple as that. Israel in a very serious war is at war with Palestinians as well as Hamas.

    So Israel should destroy Hamas in such a brutal fashion that it makes clear that Israel will always exist and that there will be no right of return. Then Israel says whoever is in charge of Gaza will accept Israel or Palestinians will be ruled by Israel. 

    Not a pleasant solution but a necessary one. At least as far as I can reckon. If anyone has a better and more humane idea please let me know. 

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  18. MarciN Member
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    I get it now. I read the articles Susan linked to. I think it was a language issue causing me to misunderstand. Yes to a separate Palestinian state, but only with strong conditions attached, conditions stipulated by Israel. I like that a lot. It would be nice if the international community or a coalition of Brits, Americans, and Israelis enforced the conditions.

    Given the attack on October 7 and the fact that Hamas is still holding hostages, this decision should be a no-brainer. Israel gets to set the terms of the peace arrangement after Hamas releases the hostages.

    I find it hard to understand Blinken’s weakness in advocating for Israel, given that he is Jewish. When I became a Brownie leader centuries ago, at my first leaders’ meeting, the other leaders cautioned me to remember to treat my own daughter as one of the troop. They said, “Don’t have higher expectations for your daughter than you have for the other kids. And be sure she gets a turn at everything like holding the flag in the parade, just like everyone else. Leaders who have kids in their troop seem to automatically overcorrect: they don’t want to treat their kids with favoritism, so they hold back.” I wonder if Blinken is simply overcorrecting. That’s why he’s not pushing harder.

    Unfortunately, he is surrounded by some people who would be more than happy to let him do that. Sigh.

    Kamala Harris’s husband Doug Emhoff is Jewish. In fact, he’s been very actively working against antisemitism. I would think he too would be very supportive of Israel right now.

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  19. Henry Castaigne Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I get it now. I read the articles Susan linked to. I think it was a language issue causing me to misunderstand. Yes to a separate Palestinian state, but only with strong conditions attached, conditions stipulated by Israel. I like that a lot. It would be nice if the international community or a coalition of Brits, Americans, and Israelis enforced the conditions.

    Given the attack on October 7 and the fact that Hamas is still holding hostages, this decision should be a no-brainer. Israel gets to set the terms of the peace arrangement after Hamas releases the hostages.

    I find it hard to understand Blinken’s weakness in advocating for Israel, given that he is Jewish. When I became a Brownie leader centuries ago, at my first leaders’ meeting, the other leaders cautioned me to remember to treat my own daughter as one of the troop. They said, “Don’t have higher expectations for your daughter than you have for the other kids. And be sure she gets a turn at everything like holding the flag in the parade, just like everyone else. Leaders who have kids in their troop seem to automatically overcorrect: they don’t want to treat their kids with favoritism, so they hold back.” I wonder if Blinken is simply overcorrecting. That’s why he’s not pushing harder.

    Unfortunately, he is surrounded some people who would be more than happy to let him do that. Sigh.

    Kamala Harris’s husband Doug Emhoff is Jewish. In fact, he’s been very actively working against antisemitism. I would think he too would be very supportive of Israel right now.

     

    Many Jews are like NTers. Some foolish Jews think that if they criticize Israel or disassociate themselves with Israel they will be spared of anti-semitism. That’s rubbish but alot of American Jews believe that.

     

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  20. Instugator Thatcher
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    The U.S. expects to “reform” the Palestinian Authority so that it will be fit to govern Gaza.

    I understand.

    I find it to be a failure of imagination that when a de facto three state solution has been in existence for nearly 20 years, it hasn’t been called de jure and then we wash our hands of it.

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  21. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    The U.S. expects to “reform” the Palestinian Authority so that it will be fit to govern Gaza.

    I understand.

    I find it to be a failure of imagination that when a de facto three state solution has been in existence for nearly 20 years, it hasn’t been called de jure and then we wash our hands of it.

    Remember that Hamas has said it will do Oct. 7 over and over and over again.

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  22. Caryn Thatcher
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    The two state “solution” was established in April 1921 when Transjordan was created out of 78% of the original Mandate.  That’s more than plenty.  

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  23. Stad Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: Biden and his sidekick Antony Blinken have teamed up to put even greater pressure on Israel to agree to a two-state solution.

    The only way a two-state solution has a chance of working is if the Palestinian state is not located right next to Israel. Even so, their hatred will still exist . . .

    And there is literally nowhere for them to go, or anyone who wants them…

    So true.  Nobody wants to take them in . . .

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  24. Red Herring Coolidge
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    If they force the inevitable and many then die, then these Democrats need to be charged with war crimes.

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  25. Doug Watt Member
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    The reason that Jordan and Egypt do not want to accept Palestinians is that the last thing they want is heavily armed Iranian backed militia groups in their countries. They look at Yemen that has Houthiville backed by Iran in one part of Yemen and a second Yemini government in another part of Yemen.

    They also look at Syria that has a heavy Iranian Guard presence as well as Ivan the Syrian that has not been able to stop the IDF from hitting Iranian arms depots located near the Aleppo and Damascus airports. They have not been able to prevent the IDF from hitting convoys of weapon shipments to Hezbollah in Lebanon. Egypt and Jordan are trying to prevent becoming part of the chaos that the Palestinians and Iran will bring inside their borders. 

     

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  26. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Doug Watt (View Comment):
    Egypt and Jordan are trying to prevent becoming part of the chaos that the Palestinians and Iran will bring inside their borders. 

    And I don’t blame them at all…

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  27. Sisyphus Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    If they force the inevitable and many then die, then these Democrats need to be charged with war crimes.

    There goes that rule of law thingy again, observed in the breach again. Of course, congresscritters and presidents have immunity. So long as they are not orange.

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  28. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    On the last Call Me Back podcast, Haviv Rettig Gur (who’s been a weekly guest of late) brought up the fact that some countries like Saudi Arabia and the UAE found a way to direct their countries away from Islamism and terrorism and in the direction of tolerance and modernity. He suggested that maybe they might have something to offer to the future of the Palestinians, given the progress in those countries.

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  29. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Why are we sending money to the Palestinians? 

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  30. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Why are we sending money to the Palestinians?

    I suspect that Biden thinks it makes us look “fair”; remember Trump stopped the funding. But for some reason, Biden thinks he has to take a balanced approach to Hamas and the Israelis. Go figure.

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