I was wrong

 

I was very disappointed when John Fetterman won the election to the Senate from Pennsylvania. I thought he was going to be an unmitigated disaster for the Senate and for the state of Pennsylvania. In the past few weeks Fetterman’s recovery has slowly made me realize that I was wrong. He’s becoming one of my favorite senators, and is easily my favorite Democrat senator. (I know thats a low bar, with slim pickings)

Seeing his pinned tweet this morning clinched his standing for me:

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  1. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Here is a YouTube clip of the hostage posters hanging in his Senate offices:

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  2. MWD B612 "Dawg" Inactive
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    @danok1

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    What are the chances that he was a total leftist before the stroke?

    How long until the left starts claiming that his support for Israel etc is due to “brain damage?”

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  4. Percival Thatcher
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    Without a doubt Fetterman is the tallest midget in the circus.

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  5. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    It’s sad that having a sane opinion shared by a majority of Americans makes you a giant among Democrats. 

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  6. Nathanael Ferguson Contributor
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    He’s been great on this one issue. How is his voting record in the Senate? 

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Nathanael Ferguson (View Comment):

    He’s been great on this one issue. How is his voting record in the Senate?

    I haven’t looked closely but I’m thinking his attitudes must have changed, cuz if he was like this before the stroke I doubt the Dims would have put him up for it.

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  8. Nefarious Hip Hop Bine Moderator
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    @EKentGolding

    I think Trump made a mistake selling Oz to  the PA republican electorate.  The repubs should have picked a PA politician rather than an out of state celebrity.   Nevertheless,   I would have voted for Oz because so many of the important votes in the Senate are party line.   I care more about which party wins the votes than about the behavior of individual senators.

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  9. QuietPI Member
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    Yes, his voting record from the beginning, more time for votes and public statements backed up by actions, etc.  But in this case, I think just as important to really understand what’s going on; where’s his wife in all of this?

    Could it be that, once he got to D.C. and as he began to recover, he came to realize that he was standing in the middle of a lake of stinking sewage, and he had become the unwitting tool of the Dems?  Or is it his wife whose eyes were opened?  It doesn’t take a genius to see what is so obvious.  Many times over the last few years, Hans Christian Andersen’s fairytale, The Emperor’s New Clothes has come to mind.

    These questions are critical, and the answers aren’t clear.  What we see right now is welcome, of course.  But right now, Boss Mongo is hollering in my ear:  “Always watch your six.”

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  10. GPentelie Coolidge
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    QuietPI (View Comment):
    But right now, Boss Mongo is hollering in my ear:  “Always watch your six.”

    Yup.

    The current excitement about Fetterman, I suspect, will vanish right about the time Pennsylvania’s voting season begins (early/mid October?).

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  11. Bishop Wash Member
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    Nathanael Ferguson (View Comment):

    He’s been great on this one issue. How is his voting record in the Senate?

    He’s also been saying that we need a strong border. It’s been interesting watching him.

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  12. Old Bathos Member
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    Assertions of common sense and basic decency are so rare that we are inclined to look past a kneejerk voting record to celebrate its appearance.

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  13. cdor Member
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

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  14. Ed G. Inactive
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    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    Not worth it cdor. It’s cult of personality bitterness and hyperbole, nothing more.

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  15. cdor Member
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    @cdor

    Upon clicking on the link to X and reading Fetterman’s post, I couldn’t help but notice that every response was pro-Arab. It was all about comparing the number of deaths. I don’t even know how they get those numbers, but the moral compass they live with dictates that the Jews must not kill any more Arabs than the number of Jews killed by the Arabs. I do not know how they arrived at this moral pretzel.

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  16. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Nathanael Ferguson (View Comment):

    He’s been great on this one issue. How is his voting record in the Senate?

    I haven’t studied his record but just about every time I’ve seen something in the news about Fetterman lately, he sounds like a common sense Democrat, not a radical.  Maybe more like a Kyrsten Sinema or Joe Manchin than like a Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren.

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  17. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    I presume MWD… is referring to the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Oz to be the Republican nominee, and that likely persuaded enough Pennsylvania Republicans to back Oz instead of an actual Pennsylvania Republican.  I doubt anyone thinks Trump should have declined to back Oz once he was the Republican nominee.

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  18. cdor Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    I presume MWD… is referring to the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Oz to be the Republican nominee, and that likely persuaded enough Pennsylvania Republicans to back Oz instead of an actual Pennsylvania Republican. I doubt anyone thinks Trump should have declined to back Oz once he was the Republican nominee.

    Thanks for the explanation, Randy. And who might that actual Pennsylvanian have been? I remember vaguely a robust primary. Do you believe that without Oz the Republican was a sure winner? There’s just a few assumptions and hindsight going on, don’t you think?

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  19. MWD B612 "Dawg" Inactive
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    @danok1

    cdor (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    I presume MWD… is referring to the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Oz to be the Republican nominee, and that likely persuaded enough Pennsylvania Republicans to back Oz instead of an actual Pennsylvania Republican. I doubt anyone thinks Trump should have declined to back Oz once he was the Republican nominee.

    Thanks for the explanation, Randy. And who might that actual Pennsylvanian have been? I remember vaguely a robust primary. Do you believe that without Oz the Republican was a sure winner? There’s just a few assumptions and hindsight going on, don’t you think?

    Randy was correct. Oz is not a Pennsylvanian, he lives in New Jersey. He was using his parent’s address in PA, IIRC. He was also a terrible candidate. Parnell would have been okay, if he weren’t accused of domestic abuse. McCormick was decent, but he was on the wrong side of Trump, so Trump was against him. I get it; it’s politics, and politics ain’t beanbag. But we could likely have had an actual GOP Senator in that seat. McCormick came very close to beating Oz (lost by 950 votes).

    Don’t get me wrong. While I appreciate Fetterman’s support of Israel (and apparently he supports enforcing the border), I’m under no illusions as to which party he votes with. I’m saying Trump was wrong in whom he endorsed in the primary.

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  20. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    I presume MWD… is referring to the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Oz to be the Republican nominee, and that likely persuaded enough Pennsylvania Republicans to back Oz instead of an actual Pennsylvania Republican. I doubt anyone thinks Trump should have declined to back Oz once he was the Republican nominee.

    Thanks for the explanation, Randy. And who might that actual Pennsylvanian have been? I remember vaguely a robust primary. Do you believe that without Oz the Republican was a sure winner? There’s just a few assumptions and hindsight going on, don’t you think?

    I’m not a Pennsylvanian, so I don’t have any guess as to the general election prospects of the other Republicans who were running for the nomination.  What I have heard in the national news was that a lot of Pennsylvanians weren’t crazy about making a New Jerseyite (New Jerseyian?) their senator.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    QuietPI (View Comment):

    Yes, his voting record from the beginning, more time for votes and public statements backed up by actions, etc. But in this case, I think just as important to really understand what’s going on; where’s his wife in all of this?

    Could it be that, once he got to D.C. and as he began to recover, he came to realize that he was standing in the middle of a lake of stinking sewage, and he had become the unwitting tool of the Dems? Or is it his wife whose eyes were opened? It doesn’t take a genius to see what is so obvious. Many times over the last few years, Hans Christian Andersen’s fairytale, The Emperor’s New Clothes has come to mind.

    These questions are critical, and the answers aren’t clear. What we see right now is welcome, of course. But right now, Boss Mongo is hollering in my ear: “Always watch your six.”

    I guess that’s possible, but I would expect wives to push their politician husbands towards the left, not the right.  Perhaps accompanied by threats to leave, take the children and half of everything else, and write a book about what he REALLY likes in the bedroom, unless he obeys.

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  22. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    Fetterman was a big surprise on Israel, the border and on Senator Menendez’s graft. 

     

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  23. cdor Member
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    I presume MWD… is referring to the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Oz to be the Republican nominee, and that likely persuaded enough Pennsylvania Republicans to back Oz instead of an actual Pennsylvania Republican. I doubt anyone thinks Trump should have declined to back Oz once he was the Republican nominee.

    Thanks for the explanation, Randy. And who might that actual Pennsylvanian have been? I remember vaguely a robust primary. Do you believe that without Oz the Republican was a sure winner? There’s just a few assumptions and hindsight going on, don’t you think?

    Randy was correct. Oz is not a Pennsylvanian, he lives in New Jersey. He was using his parent’s address in PA, IIRC. He was also a terrible candidate. Parnell would have been okay, if he weren’t accused of domestic abuse. McCormick was decent, but he was on the wrong side of Trump, so Trump was against him. I get it; it’s politics, and politics ain’t beanbag. But we could likely have had an actual GOP Senator in that seat. McCormick came very close to beating Oz (lost by 950 votes).

    Don’t get me wrong. While I appreciate Fetterman’s support of Israel (and apparently he supports enforcing the border), I’m under no illusions as to which party he votes with. I’m saying Trump was wrong in whom he endorsed in the primary.

    Thanks for your explanation. I agree. Using my 20/20 hindsight, it is 100% obvious that OZ was terrible as a candidate for that election. But, going by the list of alternatives that you just provided, I gotta say, there was nothing to choose from. Certainly, Trump wasn’t going to endorse a guy who was “on the wrong side” of him. Was the guy a Never Trump sort of fellow? Trump could have stayed out of the fray altogether. But Pennsylvania is important and had Trump not gotten involved…well. I can only imagine the heat he would have gotten.

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  24. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    cdor (View Comment):
    Trump could have stayed out of the fray altogether. But Pennsylvania is important and had Trump not gotten involved…well. I can only imagine the heat he would have gotten.

    I’ve never heard of a president or ex-president taking heat for not making an endorsement before their party has chosen a nominee.  Some Republicans might have been annoyed if Trump never campaigned or tried to help out once a nominee had been chosen. 

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  25. Bishop Wash Member
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    Fetterman was a big surprise on Israel, the border and on Senator Menendez’s graft.

     

    I knew there was a third item that I was forgetting.

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  26. Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    I presume MWD… is referring to the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Oz to be the Republican nominee, and that likely persuaded enough Pennsylvania Republicans to back Oz instead of an actual Pennsylvania Republican. I doubt anyone thinks Trump should have declined to back Oz once he was the Republican nominee.

    Thanks for the explanation, Randy. And who might that actual Pennsylvanian have been? I remember vaguely a robust primary. Do you believe that without Oz the Republican was a sure winner? There’s just a few assumptions and hindsight going on, don’t you think?

    I’m not a Pennsylvanian, so I don’t have any guess as to the general election prospects of the other Republicans who were running for the nomination. What I have heard in the national news was that a lot of Pennsylvanians weren’t crazy about making a New Jerseyite (New Jerseyian?) their senator.

    New Jersée.

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  27. cdor Member
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    Globalitarian Lower Order Misa… (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    I presume MWD… is referring to the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Oz to be the Republican nominee, and that likely persuaded enough Pennsylvania Republicans to back Oz instead of an actual Pennsylvania Republican. I doubt anyone thinks Trump should have declined to back Oz once he was the Republican nominee.

    Thanks for the explanation, Randy. And who might that actual Pennsylvanian have been? I remember vaguely a robust primary. Do you believe that without Oz the Republican was a sure winner? There’s just a few assumptions and hindsight going on, don’t you think?

    I’m not a Pennsylvanian, so I don’t have any guess as to the general election prospects of the other Republicans who were running for the nomination. What I have heard in the national news was that a lot of Pennsylvanians weren’t crazy about making a New Jerseyite (New Jerseyian?) their senator.

    New Jersée.

    You mean Dr. Oz is not from Kansas?

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  28. Bishop Wash Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Globalitarian Lower Order Misa… (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    I presume MWD… is referring to the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Oz to be the Republican nominee, and that likely persuaded enough Pennsylvania Republicans to back Oz instead of an actual Pennsylvania Republican. I doubt anyone thinks Trump should have declined to back Oz once he was the Republican nominee.

    Thanks for the explanation, Randy. And who might that actual Pennsylvanian have been? I remember vaguely a robust primary. Do you believe that without Oz the Republican was a sure winner? There’s just a few assumptions and hindsight going on, don’t you think?

    I’m not a Pennsylvanian, so I don’t have any guess as to the general election prospects of the other Republicans who were running for the nomination. What I have heard in the national news was that a lot of Pennsylvanians weren’t crazy about making a New Jerseyite (New Jerseyian?) their senator.

    New Jersée.

    You mean Dr. Oz is not from Kansas?

    No, Omaha.

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  29. Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    cdor (View Comment):

    Globalitarian Lower Order Misa… (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    I presume MWD… is referring to the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Oz to be the Republican nominee, and that likely persuaded enough Pennsylvania Republicans to back Oz instead of an actual Pennsylvania Republican. I doubt anyone thinks Trump should have declined to back Oz once he was the Republican nominee.

    Thanks for the explanation, Randy. And who might that actual Pennsylvanian have been? I remember vaguely a robust primary. Do you believe that without Oz the Republican was a sure winner? There’s just a few assumptions and hindsight going on, don’t you think?

    I’m not a Pennsylvanian, so I don’t have any guess as to the general election prospects of the other Republicans who were running for the nomination. What I have heard in the national news was that a lot of Pennsylvanians weren’t crazy about making a New Jerseyite (New Jerseyian?) their senator.

    New Jersée.

    You mean Dr. Oz is not from Kansas?

    I don’t follow.

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  30. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Globalitarian Lower Order Misa… (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Globalitarian Lower Order Misa… (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    I don’t think Mehmet Oz has said word one about Israel since the October 7 massacre. Mr. Fetterman has made it clear where he stands.

    Looks like Donnie got it wrong. Glad the carpetbagger didn’t win.

    Who is Donnie and what did he get wrong? Was “Donnie” supposed to endorse Fetterman for the Pennsylvania Senate race? Sorry, I do not understand.

    I presume MWD… is referring to the fact that Donald Trump endorsed Oz to be the Republican nominee, and that likely persuaded enough Pennsylvania Republicans to back Oz instead of an actual Pennsylvania Republican. I doubt anyone thinks Trump should have declined to back Oz once he was the Republican nominee.

    Thanks for the explanation, Randy. And who might that actual Pennsylvanian have been? I remember vaguely a robust primary. Do you believe that without Oz the Republican was a sure winner? There’s just a few assumptions and hindsight going on, don’t you think?

    I’m not a Pennsylvanian, so I don’t have any guess as to the general election prospects of the other Republicans who were running for the nomination. What I have heard in the national news was that a lot of Pennsylvanians weren’t crazy about making a New Jerseyite (New Jerseyian?) their senator.

    New Jersée.

    You mean Dr. Oz is not from Kansas?

    I don’t follow.

    Are you familiar with the movie The Wizard of Oz?

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