Hillary Lite; Nikki is Icky

 

Watching Nikki Haley speaking on the campaign trail as though she’s some kind of outsider, and pretending to have won something and is now gathering momentum, kills her credibility. It’s one thing when a politician is hopeful and has a chance to rally the troops, it’s another thing to see a politician either deluding themselves, or actively gaslighting us. Either way, it’s unfit for office behavior as far as I’m concerned.

This is why people drop out of races… when it’s clear they have no path forward. Anyone with dignity and self-respect would have no desire to pretend and go through farcical motions in front of supporters and the press, whilst spending other people’s money. It’s undignified, even for Chris Christie. They know they will squander their credibility forever if they continue to present themselves as viable.

Politicians have a lot of leeway to present things in their best (or worst) light, to make promises, or to deflect, but they can’t deny reality of support levels of voters. It’s embarrassing.

Coming in a distant third in Iowa and second in New Hampshire with the help of Democrats who are committed Biden supporters in the general election has me marveling how desperate and petty the GOPe are. But because Trump, Nikki Haley is ruining her political career. However she will likely  sign a deal with CNN or Fox in 2025, and maybe that’s the plan.

The regurgitated girl-power motif, through a Republican lens, is disgusting. And sad. None of the suburban women will be the least bit impressed with her pandering.

Then there are her vague complaints about racial bullying; that she was cast in a grammar school play as Pocahontas, when they should have cast Helga Svensfjord the Norwegian classmate I suppose.

Indian immigrants who are, for the most part, elites from India, not impoverished peasants, certainly the top 10% if not top 1%. Coming here and doing quite well, complaining about being treated in some lesser manner, by I guess, white people, who think they kinda look like Pocahontas more than Helga Svensfjord does? This is some kind of egregious violation of some incomprehensible rule you try to foist on us.

And of course I’m sure all the black folks would see she how deeply she understands their fundamental plight that white people are still so full of prejudice and hate which is the cause of all the problems.

Then she talks about a ‘coronation’, dismissing common political realities agreed upon by all historical precedent along with the scientific polling that would have to be spectacularly anomalous for her to have a chance at winning.

She may be a birdbrain, but her donors aren’t. There really is a Uniparty faction. Or call them Neocons. Globalists. Sell outs. Liars. Pretenders. Tyrants.

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  1. Bishop Wash Member
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    Franco: Her vague complaints about racial bullying, that she was cast in a grammar school play as Pocohontas, when they should have cast Helga Svensfjord the Norwegian classmate I suppose.

    I didn’t understand this gripe. That should be an important role. She might have a point if she was cast as Generic Squaw #3 instead of Generic Pilgrim #2. Image being upset at getting the role of Juliet or Hamlet.

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  2. JoelB Member
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    Why should a couple of relatively small states with populations and economic profiles that are not too close to the average among the states get to choose the candidates for the rest of the nation?

    Iowa is known for choosing outliers like Robertson, Huckabee, Santorum, and others with its atypical caucus system. New Hampshire might be more centrist than the other New England states, but it seems to be a small sampling of a single region. 

    We have seen the results in two small states and now the pundits are proclaiming it’s all over but the shouting.

    This is not an endorsement of Haley or any other candidate. It just seems to me that we have given way too much credence to the results of these early contests.

    (And by the way, isn’t Pochahontas one of the best parts in the show?)

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  3. Franco 🚫 Banned
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    JoelB (View Comment):

    Why should a couple of relatively small states with populations and economic profiles that are not too close to the average among the states get to choose the candidates for the rest of the nation?

     

    This is the game. States aren’t all that different, although those two are in many ways, but people in America are generally the same.

    Or take this up with the GOP This is the contest. There are a lot of things wrong with it. But this is accepting the rules of the game and then complaing to the refs after every play.

    He won  both of them (this hasn’t happened recently) and Haley is polling 50 points behind in South Carolina her home State whereby the Governor and Senator and very other crucial Republican in the State has declared for the other candidate. 

    This is the gauntlet the GOPe is throwing down. 

    That Ron DeSantis spent 100 million on Iowa and still lost is a very strong indication of the political tea leaves. He read them. Will this same trend play out in other states?

    Yes. It’s clear where voters stand. This used to be where all’Republicans’ would coalesce around the obvious candidate to defeat the Democrats, but this isn’t any Republican so there’s bleeding both directions. It’s okay we aren’t allies anymore.

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  4. Red Herring Coolidge
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    I have defended her against false assertions about her time in SC. I can’t defend anything I have seen since she announced her candidacy. She isn’t president material. I said when she announced that the “Peter Principle” would catch up with her. One has to know one’s limitations. I could even say something worse than the “Peter Principle” got ahold of her. Sooner or later, all politicians (and many pundits) will disappoint you. 

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  5. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Her vague complaints about racial bullying, that she was cast in a grammar school play as Pocohontas, when they should have cast Helga Svensfjord the Norwegian classmate I suppose.

    My blonde daughter (7/8 Swedish and Dutch and English heritage) was given the role of an Indian princess in the pre-school Thanksgiving event. Should I have been offended? Should someone else have been offended? All we saw were cute kids having fun.

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  6. Headedwest Coolidge
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    JoelB (View Comment):
    Why should a couple of relatively small states with populations and economic profiles that are not too close to the average among the states get to choose the candidates for the rest of the nation?

    The Iowa caucus is particularly irritating because it demands that everybody bow down to Big Ethanol, which is provably a stupid fuel additive. It clearly costs more energy than it produces, but it’s a great cash cow for the Iowa farm lobby.

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  7. Bishop Wash Member
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):
    Why should a couple of relatively small states with populations and economic profiles that are not too close to the average among the states get to choose the candidates for the rest of the nation?

    The Iowa caucus is particularly irritating because it demands that everybody bow down to Big Ethanol, which is provably a stupid fuel additive. It clearly costs more energy than it produces, but it’s a great cash cow for the Iowa farm lobby.

    Maybe not anymore. Ted Cruz didn’t bow to them and still won in 2016. Times might be changing. 

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  8. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    If it is a dead-bang certainty that Donald Trump is going to win the nomination, what are Trump supporters worried about?  Why the insistence that Nikki Haley drop out after only two states have had the opportunity to vote?  If her supporters are “Neocons. Globalists. Sell outs. Liars. Pretenders. Tyrants.” surely you aren’t expecting those evil and devious people to embrace Donald Trump once Nikki Haley drops out.

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  9. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    Nikki was asked about the crazy $83 million verdict against Trump, and she said “ Well, the jury heard the evidence and decided, so of course he’s guilty and the settlement is fair. What, are we going to start questioning juries now??”

    She is totally dead to me now.

    And I’m sure somewhere OJ breathed a sigh of relief.

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  10. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf 🚫 Banned
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If it is a dead-bang certainty that Donald Trump is going to win the nomination, what are Trump supporters worried about?

    I’m not, really.

    Why the insistence that Nikki Haley drop out after only two states have had the opportunity to vote?

    Right. I mean, let the neocons keep throwing their money at her. It means they’ll have less to throw at Gropey Joe in the General.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf 🚫 Banned
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    The news stories that we’re going to discuss today are just a couple examples of why I would like to travel the country and shake Never Trump Republicans until they snap out of their fascism-enabling pity parties.

     

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  12. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):
    Why should a couple of relatively small states with populations and economic profiles that are not too close to the average among the states get to choose the candidates for the rest of the nation?

    The Iowa caucus is particularly irritating because it demands that everybody bow down to Big Ethanol, which is provably a stupid fuel additive. It clearly costs more energy than it produces, but it’s a great cash cow for the Iowa farm lobby.

    Maybe not anymore. Ted Cruz didn’t bow to them and still won in 2016. Times might be changing.

    That may have been because Trump was on the ticket, though. People were ABT in the primaries even then. I was one of them.

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  13. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If it is a dead-bang certainty that Donald Trump is going to win the nomination, what are Trump supporters worried about?

    Pretty dead-bang (unfortunate phrasing?) when Trump has a 61 point margin over Haley in Colorado! Or so I hear. 

    Why the insistence that Nikki Haley drop out after only two states have had the opportunity to vote?

    Because she’s “dividing” the party. LOL

    If her supporters are “Neocons. Globalists. Sell outs. Liars. Pretenders. Tyrants.” surely you aren’t expecting those evil and devious people to embrace Donald Trump once Nikki Haley drops out.

    No, I expect them to vote for Biden.

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  14. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    I was following Vivek closely in the days before the Iowa caucuses.  He worked very hard and did a ton of events.  He had enthusiasm if you measure it by people showing up in blizzards is a measure.  It didn’t translate into votes at the caucus, and he withdrew because that was his only option.  If he wasn’t going to launch in Iowa, then he wasn’t going to launch.  Haley placed her bid on New Hampshire, and she did OK, but realistically does she have a path after New Hampshire?  If her donors want to weaken Trump they will fund her, but I seriously doubt they think she can win the nomination, and if she does, I doubt she would win in November as many Trump voters are highly unlikely to switch to her and I suspect her big donors are perfectly happy with that.

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  15. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If it is a dead-bang certainty that Donald Trump is going to win the nomination, what are Trump supporters worried about? Why the insistence that Nikki Haley drop out after only two states have had the opportunity to vote? If her supporters are “Neocons. Globalists. Sell outs. Liars. Pretenders. Tyrants.” surely you aren’t expecting those evil and devious people to embrace Donald Trump once Nikki Haley drops out.

    The sooner we settle that he will be the nominee, the stronger we will be. I once defended her but no longer will. She is buttressed by Democrat money and Democrats crossing over to vote for her to take out Trump. Her campaign is encouraging Democrats to crossover to outvote the will of a majority of Republican voters. If the November ballot is only between the Democrat choices for Democrat and Republican candidates, I will write in Trump. Yes, I know that could help the Marxist Democrats win. If I am going to be screwed the next four years, I would rather be screwed by a Democrat than my own party. Her staying in after Iowa did a great service. It showed me what she has become since embracing the DC culture. 

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  16. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf 🚫 Banned
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    If the November ballot is only between the Democrat choices for Democrat and Republican candidates,

    That’s the way it is in many states and in many Congressional districts.

    Even more so when you have ranked-choice voting.

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  17. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If it is a dead-bang certainty that Donald Trump is going to win the nomination, what are Trump supporters worried about? Why the insistence that Nikki Haley drop out after only two states have had the opportunity to vote? If her supporters are “Neocons. Globalists. Sell outs. Liars. Pretenders. Tyrants.” surely you aren’t expecting those evil and devious people to embrace Donald Trump once Nikki Haley drops out.

    The sooner we settle that he will be the nominee, the stronger we will be. I once defended her but no longer will. She is buttressed by Democrat money and Democrats crossing over to vote for her to take out Trump. Her campaign is encouraging Democrats to crossover to outvote the will of a majority of Republican voters. If the November ballot is only between the Democrat choices for Democrat and Republican candidates, I will write in Trump. Yes, I know that could help the Marxist Democrats win. If I am going to be screwed the next four years, I would rather be screwed by a Democrat than my own party. Her staying in after Iowa did a great service. It showed me what she has become since embracing the DC culture.

    We have elected Republican presidents before without them having the field cleared of competitors after the Iowa caucus.  At this stage Nikki Haley has half as many delegates as Donald Trump (17 vs 33), and the odds are most definitely in Trump’s favor.  But still, it’s not like we’re talking about Asa Hutchinson or Tim Scott numbers here.  If things were reversed and Trump had 17 delegates and Haley had 33, would you say that for the good of unifying the Republican party it is time for Trump to drop out?

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  18. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf 🚫 Banned
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    We have elected Republican presidents before without them having the field cleared of competitors after the Iowa caucus.

    We’ve never been down to two so quickly and with one of them having a nearly 60-point lead.

    Because this is essentially incumbent vs. incumbent.

     

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  19. Sisyphus Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    If things were reversed and Trump had 17 delegates and Haley had 33, would you say that for the good of unifying the Republican party it is time for Trump to drop out?

    Given that her support would still be primarily from Democrats crossing over, of course not. We would not be obliged to accept results skewed in such a way.

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  20. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If it is a dead-bang certainty that Donald Trump is going to win the nomination, what are Trump supporters worried about? Why the insistence that Nikki Haley drop out after only two states have had the opportunity to vote? If her supporters are “Neocons. Globalists. Sell outs. Liars. Pretenders. Tyrants.” surely you aren’t expecting those evil and devious people to embrace Donald Trump once Nikki Haley drops out.

    The sooner we settle that he will be the nominee, the stronger we will be. I once defended her but no longer will. She is buttressed by Democrat money and Democrats crossing over to vote for her to take out Trump. Her campaign is encouraging Democrats to crossover to outvote the will of a majority of Republican voters. If the November ballot is only between the Democrat choices for Democrat and Republican candidates, I will write in Trump. Yes, I know that could help the Marxist Democrats win. If I am going to be screwed the next four years, I would rather be screwed by a Democrat than my own party. Her staying in after Iowa did a great service. It showed me what she has become since embracing the DC culture.

    We have elected Republican presidents before without them having the field cleared of competitors after the Iowa caucus. At this stage Nikki Haley has half as many delegates as Donald Trump (17 vs 33), and the odds are most definitely in Trump’s favor. But still, it’s not like we’re talking about Asa Hutchinson or Tim Scott numbers here. If things were reversed and Trump had 17 delegates and Haley had 33, would you say that for the good of unifying the Republican party it is time for Trump to drop out?

    It’s not whether we Haley skeptics would say Trump should get out, it’s whether the Trump skeptics would say it. But they are already saying he should get out — “he’s too old” (although the most energetic near-80 year old I’ve ever seen); “he can’t win in the general” (depends on if he can beat the cheat); “he’d be a lame duck even if he could win”; “he incited an insurrection and is disqualified” (Liz Cheney), etc. It’s Trump haters who are pinning their hopes on Icky Nikki who would say Trump is “dividing” the party if he stayed in in the reverse situation.

    And Randy, you’re discounting the national polling, not only the two states which have voted. Haley is either under the delusion that if something happens to Trump before the general, she’ll replace him on the ticket. I don’t think that’s a foregone conclusion, but if it did happen I guarantee there would be a revolt among the Trump voters. Or she’s just trying to be a pain the a$$ to Trump and his supporters. That may be her biggest accomplishment this election cycle.

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  21. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If it is a dead-bang certainty that Donald Trump is going to win the nomination, what are Trump supporters worried about? Why the insistence that Nikki Haley drop out after only two states have had the opportunity to vote? If her supporters are “Neocons. Globalists. Sell outs. Liars. Pretenders. Tyrants.” surely you aren’t expecting those evil and devious people to embrace Donald Trump once Nikki Haley drops out.

    The sooner we settle that he will be the nominee, the stronger we will be. I once defended her but no longer will. She is buttressed by Democrat money and Democrats crossing over to vote for her to take out Trump. Her campaign is encouraging Democrats to crossover to outvote the will of a majority of Republican voters. If the November ballot is only between the Democrat choices for Democrat and Republican candidates, I will write in Trump. Yes, I know that could help the Marxist Democrats win. If I am going to be screwed the next four years, I would rather be screwed by a Democrat than my own party. Her staying in after Iowa did a great service. It showed me what she has become since embracing the DC culture.

    We have elected Republican presidents before without them having the field cleared of competitors after the Iowa caucus. At this stage Nikki Haley has half as many delegates as Donald Trump (17 vs 33), and the odds are most definitely in Trump’s favor. But still, it’s not like we’re talking about Asa Hutchinson or Tim Scott numbers here. If things were reversed and Trump had 17 delegates and Haley had 33, would you say that for the good of unifying the Republican party it is time for Trump to drop out?

    If you want our presumptive nominee burning up all his money in the primary instead of the general, have at it. He is already burning up cash fighting these corrupt lawsuits. Democrats have a great game going, and many Republicans hope their game works, including Haley.

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  22. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Trump has increased his lead over Haley since New Hampshire. His PACs paid $50M to defend him in these corrupt indictments so far. His PACs are funded by his supporters, the common folks. Of course they want her to drop out. He is eating through the donations campaigning against her. Trump supporters’ donations factor into this issue. 

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  23. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    Her staying in after Iowa did a great service. It showed me what she has become since embracing the DC culture. 

    My only quibble is to change Iowa to New Hampshire.  She bet everything on New Hampshire, so staying in after Iowa makes sense, but after losing in New Hampshire it starts the stretch credulity.  

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  24. Red Herring Coolidge
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):
    Her staying in after Iowa did a great service. It showed me what she has become since embracing the DC culture.

    My only quibble is to change Iowa to New Hampshire. She bet everything on New Hampshire, so staying in after Iowa makes sense, but after losing in New Hampshire it starts the stretch credulity.

    You are right.

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  25. Franco 🚫 Banned
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If it is a dead-bang certainty that Donald Trump is going to win the nomination, what are Trump supporters worried about? Why the insistence that Nikki Haley drop out after only two states have had the opportunity to vote? If her supporters are “Neocons. Globalists. Sell outs. Liars. Pretenders. Tyrants.” surely you aren’t expecting those evil and devious people to embrace Donald Trump once Nikki Haley drops out.

    Missing so much, Randy. There aren’t worries expressed here, just showing the type of people in the GOP who are supposedly so caring for our country and how they lie – even to themselves. How they are outdated and trying to feebly co-opt Dem talking points of gurl- power and racial injustices as far as the eye can see for every color pallet that’s darker than vanilla ice cream.

    I did not say her supporters are those things. I said her donors – and I mean large donors. Lynn Cheney and he merry band of tyrants. People like you are closer to dupes – voting for empty promises and fear of losing control of the sea lanes. Hard core Haley supporters (the ones who aren’t actual Democrats) will not vote for Trump that’s pretty clear. So I’m merely pointing out that the Haley faction is essentially closer to the Uniparty Democrats than to the MAGA Republicans. 

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  26. Franco 🚫 Banned
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):
    If things were reversed and Trump had 17 delegates and Haley had 33, would you say that for the good of unifying the Republican party it is time for Trump to drop out?

    If Nikki Haley had been our President for 4 years, and still have a very high favorably rating of Republicans, who voted for her 72 million strong, she has just beaten DeSantis in Iowa in a blowout after he spent 100 million campaigning there, and then third-place ‘reverse Trump’, declares it’s a two man race with the support of sketchy globalist donors and cross-over Democrats, vows to carry on in his home state where he had been a Governor losing badly in the polls there in what should be his strongest State and lacking endorsements from key political insiders including the Governor and the Republican Senator, and that she was running again, that polling indicated she was very popular in forthcoming states, then yes.

    Hypotheticals are tricky but informative.

    Yes, I would.

    Can you see it now?

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  27. Franco 🚫 Banned
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    Donors

     

     

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  28. The Reticulator Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    He is eating through the donations campaigning against her.

    Maybe you should tell him to manage his campaign money better.   He might listen to you.  

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  29. The Reticulator Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order O… (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    If it is a dead-bang certainty that Donald Trump is going to win the nomination, what are Trump supporters worried about?

    I’m not, really.

    Why the insistence that Nikki Haley drop out after only two states have had the opportunity to vote?

    Right. I mean, let the neocons keep throwing their money at her. It means they’ll have less to throw at Gropey Joe in the General.

    There ya go.  Trump should hire you as an advisor.  

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  30. Red Herring Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):
    He is eating through the donations campaigning against her.

    Maybe you should tell him to manage his campaign money better. He might listen to you.

    Maybe you should be concerned about the corrupt indictments issued to try to bankrupt him so he can’t campaign. Now do you see why we have to run the rich man instead of the others? They would be bankrupted before the general fighting this lawfare.

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