Alberta’s Power Emergency

 

On Saturday Jan 13 – Alberta’s grid operator used the emergency system to issue the following warning:

In an interview with CBC News on Sunday, he said the emergency alert was a result of a confluence of extreme conditions.

“You had, for much of Alberta, the coldest night in 50 years, you had … a particularly acute low wind event, and last night a lack of import availability because of a lot of pressures on the Saskatchewan grid and on the B.C. grid at the same time as we were facing pressures. Add to that the unexpected outage of a gas plant. That alone puts you there,” Leach said.

The province’s energy grid had as little as 10 megawatts in reserve power at one point on Saturday night, according to the AESO supply demand report.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-electrical-grid-emergency-decarbonization-1.7083664

Fortunately rolling black outs during the coldest night in decades was avoided. However because nobody died, and serious property damage was avoided, the clear warning this event should provide will likely be ignored. Politicians are now our engineers, designing our cars, power plants and distribution grids. Never mind they have zero understanding how their purely ideologically driven designs will perform in the real world.

Friday January 12th that “Just before sunrise in Edmonton, temperatures hit lows of –37C (-34.6F), breaking a daily record of –32 (-25F) set in 1998.”

And it got colder.

On Friday night going into Saturday (13th) at Edmonton International Airport, temperatures dropped to -45C (-49F) by 10pm

In many parts of the province, it was the coldest day in 50 years. And much like the 2021 power crisis in Texas, renewable energy was not producing. Winds (thankfully) were down to a very light breeze but well below the speed that a wind turbine needs to produce electricity. Of the 12,000 Mw of electricity consumed that day, wind farms only produced 14 Mw or .0011% of demand.

https://www.americanexperiment.org/disappearing-wind-turbines-almost-leaves-alberta-canada-in-the-dark/

This is after decades of construction and billions in subsidies? This why it’s marketed as renewable energy, it’s not at all reliable.

Net Zero is not just bad policy, it’s a suicide pact. It would kill people in their homes. It would lead to the mass de-industrialization. Joanne Nova points out the example of Australia’s power grid:

Australia is in a unique position, its rarely cool there, much less cold. A rolling black out would be an annoyance, an excuse to eat all the ice cream out of the freezer… But in Canada, on day like that? There would be deaths.

The media is critical of Alberta Premier Danielle Smith for complaining about Net Zero grid regulations Trudeau demands to be implemented by 2035. The media pretend exasperation that the Premier Smith is complaining about regulations that havent been enforced yet… Complaining afterwards would cost lives.

This was a warning. Take heed. Net Zero is death.

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  1. Arahant Member
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    OccupantCDN: The media is critical of Alberta Premier Danielle Smith for complaining about Net Zero grid regulations Trudeau demands to be implemented by 2035.

    Who gets arrested and charged with murder for the deaths to come?

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  2. Gary McVey Contributor
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    Sobering stuff, OccupantCDN. Thanks!

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  3. The Reticulator Member
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    OccupantCDN: In many parts of the province, it was the coldest day in 50 years. And much like the 2021 power crisis in Texas. Renewable energy, was not producing. Winds (thankfully) were down to a very light breeze but well below the speed that a wind turbine needs to produce electricity. Of the 12 000 Mw of electricity consumed that day, wind farms only produced 14 Mw or .0011% of demand.

    I’m surprised that was the coldest in 50 years.  In January 1993 it got colder than that in northern Minnesota USA.  Are there geographic factors that moderate the cold temperatures in Alberta? 

     

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  4. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN: In many parts of the province, it was the coldest day in 50 years. And much like the 2021 power crisis in Texas. Renewable energy, was not producing. Winds (thankfully) were down to a very light breeze but well below the speed that a wind turbine needs to produce electricity. Of the 12 000 Mw of electricity consumed that day, wind farms only produced 14 Mw or .0011% of demand.

    I’m surprised that was the coldest in 50 years. In January 1993 it got colder than that in northern Minnesota USA. Are there geographic factors that moderate the cold temperatures in Alberta?

     

    Not at all. We get direct main line dose of arctic air, uncut from the source… What geographic factors are exacerbating cold weather in Minnesota?

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  5. Arahant Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):
    What geographic factors are exacerbating cold weather in Minnesota?

    Progressive rule.

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  6. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    I remember when a power company would build substations where they needed to and provide power when their customers paid. 

    Government (US) hits them with a multi-whammy; they give discounts to the poor, they have to beg to build new stuff and jump through various hoops first, they have to (CA) buy only from local refineries, they have to (CA) pay solar owners for power that they put back into the grid but the losses they take in adjusting their dynamos to receive said energy is their own problem – no doubt there is more. 

    I wouldn’t want to work in that industry. 

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  7. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN: The media is critical of Alberta Premier Danielle Smith for complaining about Net Zero grid regulations Trudeau demands to be implemented by 2035.

    Who gets arrested and charged with murder for the deaths to come?

    “Environmental deniers”

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  8. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Future news report: Generator sales jump 300% in Alberta. 

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  9. Muleskinner, Weasel Wrangler Member
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    @Muleskinner

    It has gotten to the point where the economic developers are ignoring new projects promising large capital investment and large numbers of high-paying jobs because the power grid can’t supply the electricity to operate. This has been going on quietly all around the US.

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  10. Comfortably Superannuated Inactive
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    @OldDanRhody

    OccupantCDN: Politicians are now our engineers, designing cars, power plants and distribution grids. Never mind they have zero understanding how their purely ideologically driven designs will perform in the real world.

    This.

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  11. JoelB Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Future news report: Generator sales jump 300% in Alberta.

    Expect new “safety” regulations to make it difficult for homeowners to purchase and install new generators to be combined with fuel restrictions.

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  12. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Comfortably Superannuated (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN: Politicians are now our engineers, designing cars, power plants and distribution grids. Never mind they have zero understanding how their purely ideologically driven designs will perform in the real world.

    This.

    And scientists, and doctors, and. . . 

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  13. The Reticulator Member
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    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN: In many parts of the province, it was the coldest day in 50 years. And much like the 2021 power crisis in Texas. Renewable energy, was not producing. Winds (thankfully) were down to a very light breeze but well below the speed that a wind turbine needs to produce electricity. Of the 12 000 Mw of electricity consumed that day, wind farms only produced 14 Mw or .0011% of demand.

    I’m surprised that was the coldest in 50 years. In January 1993 it got colder than that in northern Minnesota USA. Are there geographic factors that moderate the cold temperatures in Alberta?

     

    Not at all. We get direct main line dose of arctic air, uncut from the source… What geographic factors are exacerbating cold weather in Minnesota?

    Not sure. Minnesota’s climate is very continental. I’m trying to find data with which to check my memory, but I did see a reference to a -60F temperature in Tower, Minnesota in the 1990s that set some kind of regional record.   The coldest I ever experienced in my life was -40F in central MN around 1976-77, which is not as cold as the Alberta temperatures you reported.  I’ve been told it got colder than that in north-central North Dakota when I was an infant, but I can’t say I “experienced” that.   

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  14. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN: In many parts of the province, it was the coldest day in 50 years. And much like the 2021 power crisis in Texas. Renewable energy, was not producing. Winds (thankfully) were down to a very light breeze but well below the speed that a wind turbine needs to produce electricity. Of the 12 000 Mw of electricity consumed that day, wind farms only produced 14 Mw or .0011% of demand.

    I’m surprised that was the coldest in 50 years. In January 1993 it got colder than that in northern Minnesota USA. Are there geographic factors that moderate the cold temperatures in Alberta?

     

    Not at all. We get direct main line dose of arctic air, uncut from the source… What geographic factors are exacerbating cold weather in Minnesota?

    Not sure. Minnesota’s climate is very continental. I’m trying to find data with which to check my memory, but I did see a reference to a -60F temperature in Tower, Minnesota in the 1990s that set some kind of regional record. The coldest I ever experienced in my life was -40F in central MN around 1976-77, which is not as cold as the Alberta temperatures you reported. I’ve been told it got colder than that in north-central North Dakota when I was an infant, but I can’t say I “experienced” that.

    Primarily I think the problem is being south of Winnipeg in Winter – which is like being south of hell in August.

     

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  15. Percival Thatcher
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    OccupantCDN: Of the 12 000 Mw of electricity consumed that day, wind farms only produced 14 Mw or .0011% of demand.

    They only missed the demand by three orders of magnitude. All that while sitting on a sea of coal.

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  16. John H. Member
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    A pedantic note: 14/12,000 = 0.0011, which is 0.11%, not 0.0011% . But the post’s point still stands. The fraction of electricity need that was met by windmills was tiny.

    Looking at the American Observer link, I see that even if Alberta had constant hurricanes, the amount of wind-generated juice would still be small. I submit that if energy policymakers’ idea is Every-little-bit-counts, then that is no policy at all. Because what follows is We’re-never-really-sure-where-the-next-little-bit-is-coming-from.

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  17. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    JoelB (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Future news report: Generator sales jump 300% in Alberta.

    Expect new “safety” regulations to make it difficult for homeowners to purchase and install new generators to be combined with fuel restrictions.

    They will certainly be able to buy emergency generators! As long as they are powered by windmills, of course.

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  18. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):
    I wouldn’t want to work in that industry. 

    Also, all the employees of the energy regulation agencies are global warming cultists.  They are young and dumb and hate the people they regulate.  They consider regulation to be a noose instead of a leash.

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  19. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    Future news report: Generator sales jump 300% in Alberta. 

    Those will be regulated away too.  No natural gas hookups and diesel will be disallowed.  

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  20. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    OccupantCDN: This was a warning. Take heed, Net Zero is death.

    That is the point. 

    They want other people to die.

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  21. The Reticulator Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Future news report: Generator sales jump 300% in Alberta.

    Expect new “safety” regulations to make it difficult for homeowners to purchase and install new generators to be combined with fuel restrictions.

    They will certainly be able to buy emergency generators! As long as they are powered by windmills, of course.

    Don’t be so sure of that. Have you tried lately to get a permit to put up a communication tower?

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  22. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    John H. (View Comment):

    A pedantic note: 14/12,000 = 0.0011, which is 0.11%, not 0.0011% . But the post’s point still stands. The fraction of electricity need that was met by windmills was tiny.

    Looking at the American Observer link, I see that even if Alberta had constant hurricanes, the amount of wind-generated juice would still be small. I submit that if energy policymakers’ idea is Every-little-bit-counts, then that is no policy at all. Because what follows is We’re-never-really-sure-where-the-next-little-bit-is-coming-from.

    Thanks for pointing out my bad math.

    But had there been a high wind, wind chill would have driven electricity demand higher. Drafty buildings would have used even more energy to stay warm. I feel that extreme cold with even moderate winds would have driven demand much higher than what the wind farms would have produced. (really just subsidy farms)

     

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  23. She Member
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    The UK–much of which has been experiencing 100mph sustained winds over the last few days as a result of storm “Isha,” is currently in the throes of storm “Jocelyn.” This is the eleventh “named” storm of the year  (which–somewhat deceptively–runs from September of the previous year on forward).  

    According to that acclaimed right-wing UK news website from the Independent

    It is rare, but not unheard of, for the UK to experience a sequence of storms across a handful of months.

    There were 11 storms between November 2015 and March 2016, the first season in which storms were named, beginning with Abigail and ending with Katie.

    And there were at least 12 major winter storms from mid-December 2013 to mid-February 2014, “the stormiest period of weather the UK has experienced for at least 20 years”, according Met Office records.

    Imagine that.  This sort of thing has happened before.

    You’d never guess it, if you only read what’s available currently.

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  24. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    She (View Comment):

    The UK–much of which has been experiencing 100mph sustained winds over the last few days as a result of storm “Isha,” is currently in the throes of storm “Jocelyn.” This is the eleventh “named” storm of the year (which–somewhat deceptively–runs from September of the previous year on forward).

    According to that acclaimed right-wing UK news website from the Independent,

    It is rare, but not unheard of, for the UK to experience a sequence of storms across a handful of months.

    There were 11 storms between November 2015 and March 2016, the first season in which storms were named, beginning with Abigail and ending with Katie.

    And there were at least 12 major winter storms from mid-December 2013 to mid-February 2014, “the stormiest period of weather the UK has experienced for at least 20 years”, according Met Office records.

    Imagine that. This sort of thing has happened before.

    You’d never guess it, if you only read what’s available currently.

    Or that in Canada, our record breaking wildfire season was in part caused by arson. 2 Arsonists are on trial now, who between the 2 of them, set 30 fires. (maybe more – but have been charged with under 30) In Alberta 200 wildfires are active arson investigations. (no charges yet – that Ive heard of)

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  25. The Scarecrow Thatcher
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    Sam Kinnison had a routine about how to stop world hunger. He said that the people who live in places where food doesn’t grow should (and now turn the volume up to eleven) MOVE! STOP LIVING THERE!!!

    I find it amusing that the PTB in CANADA haven’t figured out that it is often cold there. You might be needing some extra electricity in the EFFING WINTERTIME! 

     

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  26. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Comfortably Superannuated (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN: Politicians are now our engineers, designing cars, power plants and distribution grids. Never mind they have zero understanding how their purely ideologically driven designs will perform in the real world.

    This.

    High-speed railroads in California.  Bike-friendly streets under Mayor Pete. 

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  27. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    JoelB (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Future news report: Generator sales jump 300% in Alberta.

    Expect new “safety” regulations to make it difficult for homeowners to purchase and install new generators to be combined with fuel restrictions.

    Perhaps an inspection fee of $2000. 

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  28. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    Future news report: Generator sales jump 300% in Alberta.

    Those will be regulated away too. No natural gas hookups and diesel will be disallowed.

    Imagine drug cartels smuggling diesel from Mexico. 

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  29. Full Size Tabby Member
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    The Scarecrow (View Comment):

    Sam Kinnison had a routine about how to stop world hunger. He said that the people who live in places where food doesn’t grow should (and now turn the volume up to eleven) MOVE! STOP LIVING THERE!!!

    I find it amusing that the PTB in CANADA haven’t figured out that it is often cold there. You might be needing some extra electricity in the EFFING WINTERTIME!

     

    But most of the PTB in Canada probably live near either Toronto or Ottawa. I don’t know about Ottawa, but the weather in Toronto is quite different from the weather out there in the Rocky Mountains and Great Plains. And I’d be surprised if very many of the people who form the PTB in Canada have ever spent a significant portion of even one winter out there. That certainly is the problem in the United States of America. So many of the D.C. PTB have never spent much time outside a limited number of urban areas. 

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  30. Full Size Tabby Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    Future news report: Generator sales jump 300% in Alberta.

    Those will be regulated away too. No natural gas hookups and diesel will be disallowed.

    California has already set in place a ban on small gasoline powered generators (I think it goes into effect in 2028). Many areas in California bar new natural gas hookups, which I assume may affect many of the bigger generators. 

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