Is the US Still Israel’s Ally?

 

After countless visits to Israel, Antony Blinken has made no headway in convincing Israel to meet any of his demands. The Israelis aren’t interested in increasing humanitarian aid or modifying its attacks in Gaza. Israel is expected to avoid killing civilians and to try to preserve the Gazan infrastructure. Blinken on his last visit didn’t even acknowledge the nine IDF soldiers who were killed the day before his visit.

In a conversation between journalist Caroline Glick and David Wurmser, an American foreign policy specialist, Glick asked how Israel could proceed to strengthen its position with the U.S. Wurmser suggested a three-point strategy: (1) The State Dept. is filled with anti-Israel personnel; Israel needs to circumvent them, and it knows how to do this; (2) Israel, in spite of its recent reluctance to challenge the U.S., has always acted in the past with conviction; the country must once again make demands and state its expectations unequivocally, as Golda Meir did with Henry Kissinger and President Nixon; in this way, they can regain the respect of America; and (3) Israel must make the effort to work through Congress and appeal to the American people. These actions, if taken together, will emphasize that Israel is not the “vassal” (a term that Wurmser used) of the U.S., but is an independent, sovereign nation.

If the U.S. decided that it would withhold armaments, Glick asked Wurmser if Israel would survive the war. I was surprised to learn that Wurmser said it would be a very difficult situation for Israel—many more Israelis would die, but there would be advantages as well. Israel would change its strategies to deal with the new conditions. It would likely put Gaza under siege, and cut back on humanitarian aid (meaning fuel and electricity). According to Wurmser, the Israelis have gone beyond the normal expectations of warfare, even more than the U.S. follows. But if the U.S. withholds arms, the war will likely become more brutal.

When survival is on the line, good manners drop away.

Do you see Israel being able to survive a long war without the U.S.?

Do you think Israel should be doing more to remain in the good graces of the U.S.?

This video shows the conversation between Glick and Wurmser. The discussion of the U.S. relationship begins at the 40:00 mark and lasts about 4 minutes.

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  1. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    The US is still Israel’s ally, BUT . . .

    The level of support and enthusiasm depends on who’s in the White House, regardless of party.

    As for Israel, they should be diplomatic when responding to the US “demands” in a negative fashion, but stay the course on what they believe is the right way to go after Hamas . . .

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  2. Rodin Member
    Rodin
    @Rodin

    If by “US” you mean the current Administration, the answer is decidedly “no”. I think Israel has to do what Israel has to do, just as I believe America has to do what it has to do. I think that if the US does not support Israel at the UN it gives cover for bad actors to escalate the situation. I fear that is where we are going.

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  3. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    Rodin (View Comment):

    If by “US” you mean the current Administration, the answer is decidedly “no”. I think Israel has to do what Israel has to do, just as I believe America has to do what it has to do. I think that if the US does not support Israel at the UN it gives covers for bad actors to escalate the situation. I fear that is where we are going.

    I think the US is going to get the UN more involved. That case  for genocide in the International Court is a joke; they conveniently downplay Hamas’ role. So. Africans have supported the Palestinians and it’s just a short distance for them to back Hamas. If Israel “loses,” I think they’ll ignore the ruling.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    If by “US” you mean the current Administration, the answer is decidedly “no”. I think Israel has to do what Israel has to do, just as I believe America has to do what it has to do. I think that if the US does not support Israel at the UN it gives covers for bad actors to escalate the situation. I fear that is where we are going.

    I think the US is going to get the UN more involved. That case for genocide in the International Court is a joke; they conveniently downplay Hamas’ role. So. Africans have supported the Palestinians and it’s just a short distance for them to back Hamas. If Israel “loses,” I think they’ll ignore the ruling.

    And if Israel “wins” the Africans et al will ignore THAT ruling.

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  5. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    The Leader of the Free World has to walk a tightrope – not easy as he can barely handle stairs – with regard to Israel which is why he has muted his support and why he sends his best no-man, Blinken, to signal his lack of support. I almost feel sorry [for] Biden. Can’t be easy when you have to avoid offending all the bigots in your party, but the Dems have long experience with that kind of thing.

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  6. David C. Broussard Coolidge
    David C. Broussard
    @Dbroussa

    TBA (View Comment):

    The Leader of the Free World has to walk a tightrope – not easy as he can barely handle stairs – with regard to Israel which is why he has muted his support and why he sends his best no-man, Blinken, to signal his lack of support. I almost feel sorry Biden. Can’t be easy when you have to avoid offending all the bigots in your party, but the Dems have long experience with that kind of thing.

    I mean they have the example of Robert Byrd don’t they?

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  7. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    I do not trust this administration to do anything but stab Israel in the back, especially at the UN. Obama and his people have a history in this area. Concerning weapons, the Obamaites might have a little more difficulty withholding anything Israel is willing to pay for, but they certainly will not give them to Israel in the form of “aid” unless Israel kowtows to their demands. I wonder how much it would take for Israel to look elsewhere for armaments. Maybe they could buy them from Afghanistan.

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  8. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    cdor (View Comment):

    I do not trust this administration to do anything but stab Israel in the back, especially at the UN. Obama and his people have a history in this area. Concerning weapons, the Obamaites might have a little more difficulty withholding anything Israel is willing to pay for, but they certainly will not give them to Israel in the form of “aid” unless Israel kowtows to their demands. I wonder how much it would take for Israel to look elsewhere for armaments. Maybe they could buy them from Afghanistan.

    I think they definitely need to look elsewhere for arms, cdor, no doubt about it. My biggest concern is that I don’t know if anyone else can supply the ammo for the Iron Dome. 

    I think David Wurmser is onto something. Israel is no longer a victim and has to stop acting like it. They have to, more than ever, demonstrate their resolve and conviction to the entire world. The world may be angry at first, but anger could change to respect. Of course, they’re Jews, so who knows?

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  9. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    This decision is encouraging in the long-term, but I don’t know when production will start:

    LITTLE ROCK, Ark.— RTX, in partnership with Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, today announced they will build a new, $33 million manufacturing facility in East Camden, Arkansas, that will create 30 new jobs in the region. The facility will produce the Tamir missile for the Iron Dome Weapon System and its U.S. variant, the SkyHunter® missile to be used by the U.S. Marine Corps and our allies.

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  10. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    World   opinion has turned against Israel.

    Various policies that the Jewish community has held over the policies of the USA have also come home to roost.

    AIPAC for one.

    Way way back in the 1980’s, Charles Percy, the Republican Senator from Illinois,  discussed how extremely  uneven the playing field was for anyone who refused to pledge allegiance to Israel via their not joining AIPAC. Almost any American wanting to  run for higher office has had to join AIPAC.

    And although it is true that AIPAC itself offers no monies to candidates for office in the USA, its hold on the USA is such a major influence  that it makes or breaks a candidate’s ability to run.

    Resentment that cannot be expressed ends up costing the very group of people who have seen to it that resentment is not to be expressed. 

    Many Jewish people understand that. Among the liberal Jewish community, many of those people have had the ability, through the auspices of various “Palestinian-Jewish Friendship” orgs to  actually visit Gaza and the West Bank. The events that they witnessed occurring as part and parcel of the daily lives of Palestinians were often such that the only word that could ever be applied would be the word “atrocities.”

    There is also a double standard that has fostered resentment. Some months ago, when I expressed how a turning point for me in terms of abandoning the warm fuzziness engendered by my watching the movie “Exodus” at an early age, I mentioned how a couple who happened to be Palestinans mentioned the manner in which her mother had been murdered by the Jewish militants that had come upon her village and made an attack. She was shot in the back and her ring finger was removed so her wedding ring could be taken.

    I was told by someone here that my friends were liars.

    Imagine if any ricochet member  said that  a friend of theirs had mentioned that a family member had been a victim of a suicide bomber in Tel Aviv and then a ricochet member replied “Your friend is a liar!”

    The response at the least would be a  warning from a moderator and the removal of that post – at the very least.  (And rightly so.)

    But this double standard is accepted by the 82% of all Republicans who have decided that  all is fair in matters relating to the protection of Israel. 

    It also has not helped the cause that the overwhelming tragedies of East Palestine Ohio and the Lahaina Hawaii “wild fires” have been swept under the rug, while the need to focus on Israel is touted as being the  first concern of all Americans.

     

     

     

     

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  11. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    That’s ridiculous, CarolJoy. They may have asked people if they supported Israel, but demanding a pledge of allegiance is absurd. You’re saying that because they didn’t join AIPAC, the org. wouldn’t support them? Please.

     

    Way way back in the 1980’s, Charles Percy, the Republican Senator from Illinois,  discussed how extremely  uneven the playing field was for anyone who refused to pledge allegiance to Israel via their not joining AIPAC. Almost any American wanting to  run for higher office has had to join AIPAC.

    Yes, people have visited Gaza. Since 2006, anything they found that was negative was on Hamas. Israel, in spite of lies otherwise, has not occupied Gaza for many years. If Gaza is a mess, it’s because Hamas spent the millions of dollars they received on arms, instead of helping their people and building infrastructure.

    If anyone violates the CoC, y0u should flag the comment instead of complain. Moderators don’t see every violation. Besides, I’m not sure that calling your friends liars, although nasty, is a violation.

    It also has not helped the cause that the overwhelming tragedies of East Palestine Ohio and the Lahaina Hawaii “wild fires” have been swept under the rug, while the need to focus on Israel is touted as being the  first concern of all Americans.

    So Israel is to blame? Or the Jews? CarolJoy, you so disappoint me with your rhetoric…

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  12. cdor Member
    cdor
    @cdor

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    World opinion has turned against Israel.

    Various policies that the Jewish community has held over the policies of the USA have also come home to roost.

    AIPAC for one.

    Way way back in the 1980’s, Charles Percy, the Republican Senator from Illinois, discussed how extremely uneven the playing field was for anyone who refused to pledge allegiance to Israel via their not joining AIPAC. Almost any American wanting to run for higher office has had to join AIPAC.

    And although it is true that AIPAC itself offers no monies to candidates for office in the USA, its hold on the USA is such a major influence that it makes or breaks a candidate’s ability to run.

    Resentment that cannot be expressed ends up costing the very group of people who have seen to it that resentment is not to be expressed.

    Many Jewish people understand that. Among the liberal Jewish community, many of those people have had the ability, through the auspices of various “Palestinian-Jewish Friendship” orgs to actually visit Gaza and the West Bank. The events that they witnessed occurring as part and parcel of the daily lives of Palestinians were often such that the only word that could ever be applied would be the word “atrocities.”

    There is also a double standard that has fostered resentment. Some months ago, when I expressed how a turning point for me in terms of abandoning the warm fuzziness engendered by my watching the movie “Exodus” at an early age, I mentioned how a couple who happened to be Palestinans mentioned the manner in which her mother had been murdered by the Jewish militants that had come upon her village and made an attack. She was shot in the back and her ring finger was removed so her wedding ring could be taken.

    I was told by someone here that my friends were liars.

    Imagine if any ricochet member said that a friend of theirs had mentioned that a family member had been a victim of a suicide bomber in Tel Aviv and then a ricochet member replied “Your friend is a liar!”

    The response at the least would be a warning from a moderator and the removal of that post – at the very least. (And rightly so.)

    But this double standard is accepted by the 82% of all Republicans who have decided that all is fair in matters relating to the protection of Israel.

    It also has not helped the cause that the overwhelming tragedies of East Palestine Ohio and the Lahaina Hawaii “wild fires” have been swept under the rug, while the need to focus on Israel is touted as being the first concern of all Americans.

     

     

     

     

    Who are these “all Americans” of whom you speak? I am one American that can walk and chew gum at the same time. The tragedies in East Palestine and Lahaina are horrible and will not be made less horrible by abandoning Israel to a people who train from birth to destroy her and the Jews within. 

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    If anyone violates the CoC, y0u should flag the comment instead of complain. Moderators don’t see every violation. Besides, I’m not sure that calling your friends liars, although nasty, is a violation.

    I seem to recall that recent events concluded with the determination that saying something is false or a lie is not a violation of the CoC, but saying that someone IS a LIAR is a violation as a personal attack.

    Although I suppose if the person being called a liar is not actually another member, then the CoC doesn’t apply to them anyway.

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  14. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    But this double standard is accepted by the 82% of all Republicans who have decided that  all is fair in matters relating to the protection of Israel.

    I am extremely proud to be on your hate list. It’s a list of intelligent and honorable people who support Israel’s right to exist and who unequivocally support the Israelis’ right to defend themselves.

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  15. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    MarciN (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    But this double standard is accepted by the 82% of all Republicans who have decided that all is fair in matters relating to the protection of Israel.

    I am extremely proud to be on your hate list. It’s a list of intelligent and honorable people who support Israel’s right to exist and who unequivocally support the Israelis’ right to defend themselves.

    Thanks, Marci.

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  16. Nohaaj Coolidge
    Nohaaj
    @Nohaaj

    NO.

     

    Next question: Is the US still an ally to Taiwan?

     

    NO.

    Not with this pResident. 

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  17. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    World   opinion has turned against Israel

    Not true. I live in the world and my opinion has not turned against Israel. 

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  18. E. Kent Golding Moderator
    E. Kent Golding
    @EKentGolding

    The USA is always less overtly hostile to Israel than other countries,  and sometimes an ally.   The USA isn’t currently it’s own ally, much less Israel’s.

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  19. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
    GlennAmurgis
    @GlennAmurgis

    I think most Americans are – the state department, other elements of the permanent bureaucracy and Biden Admin – not so much 

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  20. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) 🏴 Suspended
    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
    @ArizonaPatriot

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    If by “US” you mean the current Administration, the answer is decidedly “no”. I think Israel has to do what Israel has to do, just as I believe America has to do what it has to do. I think that if the US does not support Israel at the UN it gives covers for bad actors to escalate the situation. I fear that is where we are going.

    I think the US is going to get the UN more involved. That case for genocide in the International Court is a joke; they conveniently downplay Hamas’ role. So. Africans have supported the Palestinians and it’s just a short distance for them to back Hamas. If Israel “loses,” I think they’ll ignore the ruling.

    No, it’s not a joke.  It is an incredibly powerful and disturbing case.  The Israelis are behaving so horribly that it is almost unimaginable.

    They are indicted by their own words, and their best defense is something like, well, we didn’t really mean it.  Oh, and Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust, their typical card.

    I wonder if this is the time when the Holocaust card finally falls short.  Things could get really, really bad for the Israelis if this happens.

    In this event, there may be a great deal of justifiable anger directed at American Jews, especially the billionaire class who is trying to shut down free speech on campus.  I don’t actually want this to happen.  But those folks are making us complicit in genocide, at least arguably.

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  21. Rodin Member
    Rodin
    @Rodin

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    If by “US” you mean the current Administration, the answer is decidedly “no”. I think Israel has to do what Israel has to do, just as I believe America has to do what it has to do. I think that if the US does not support Israel at the UN it gives covers for bad actors to escalate the situation. I fear that is where we are going.

    I think the US is going to get the UN more involved. That case for genocide in the International Court is a joke; they conveniently downplay Hamas’ role. So. Africans have supported the Palestinians and it’s just a short distance for them to back Hamas. If Israel “loses,” I think they’ll ignore the ruling.

    No, it’s not a joke. It is an incredibly powerful and disturbing case. The Israelis are behaving so horribly that it is almost unimaginable.

    They are indicted by their own words, and their best defense is something like, well, we didn’t really mean it. Oh, and Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust, their typical card.

    I wonder if this is the time when the Holocaust card finally falls short. Things could get really, really bad for the Israelis if this happens.

    In this event, there may be a great deal of justifiable anger directed at American Jews, especially the billionaire class who is trying to shut down free speech on campus. I don’t actually want this to happen. But those folks are making us complicit in genocide, at least arguably.

    I don’t want my friend, @susanquinn, to have to respond to you so I will step in. You are entitled to your views, as am I. But your animus toward Jews is unbecoming. If you are on the side of Hamas you have chosen more poorly than being on the side of Israel. American Jewish support for socialism has been problematic, but hopefully they now see that what seemed like a realization of human cooperation is plain old antisemitic Marxism. At least one billionaire — Bill Ackman — is trying to fight for free speech now that he sees was DEI really is on college campuses. We are not complicit in genocide, even arguably. Hamas’ population expanded greatly under “occupation”. Sadly it appears that brainwashing has worked and far too many Gazans support Hamas. That, and Hamas’ use of human shields, makes the task of neutralizing the malign capabilities of Hamas and other terrorists fraught with collateral damage. But it is not genocide. The Holocaust came about as a frame of mind. At that frame of mind allowed gassing of Jews, homosexuals, and anyone the Nazis thought was defective or subhuman. It isn’t a “card”, it is a reminder and a warning to hold dear to unalienable rights conferred by the Creator.

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  22. Sisyphus Member
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    @Sisyphus

    cdor (View Comment):

    I do not trust this administration to do anything but stab Israel in the back, especially at the UN. Obama and his people have a history in this area. Concerning weapons, the Obamaites might have a little more difficulty withholding anything Israel is willing to pay for, but they certainly will not give them to Israel in the form of “aid” unless Israel kowtows to their demands. I wonder how much it would take for Israel to look elsewhere for armaments. Maybe they could buy them from Afghanistan.

    I would caveat this along the lines of overt/covert support. Biden might give covert aid even while overtly stabbing Israel in the back. Not uncommon in these things, actually. Israel and the Saudis have engaged in mutually advantageous transaction covertly while brandishing sabers overtly. And with Biden, Inc., it is a game of “if the price is right.” He is a two-faced, treasonous grifter well into his dotage. And his handlers are the same. May the Lord have mercy on their victims. And them.

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  23. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    Rodin (View Comment):
    I don’t want my friend, @susanquinn, to have to respond to you so I will step in. You are entitled to your views, as am I. But your animus toward Jews is unbecoming.

    And I so appreciate my friends. I get tired of the irrational diatribes, so thanks for stepping in, Rodin.

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  24. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    Sisyphus (View Comment):
    Israel and the Saudis have engaged in mutually advantageous transaction covertly while brandishing sabers overtly

    I heard on the Call Me Back podcast that when the Saudi Ambassador was asked at the UN if the agreement between the Saudis and the Israelis was still “on,” he said absolutely! That is not a comment to be taken lightly.

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  25. Sisyphus Member
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    @Sisyphus

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):
    Israel and the Saudis have engaged in mutually advantageous transaction covertly while brandishing sabers overtly

    I heard on the Call Me Back podcast that when the Saudi Ambassador was asked at the UN if the agreement between the Saudis and the Israelis was still “on,” he said absolutely! That is not a comment to be taken lightly.

    And very good to hear.

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  26. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    That’s ridiculous, CarolJoy. They may have asked people if they supported Israel, but demanding a pledge of allegiance is absurd. You’re saying that because they didn’t join AIPAC, the org. wouldn’t support them? Please.

     

    Way way back in the 1980’s, Charles Percy, the Republican Senator from Illinois, discussed how extremely uneven the playing field was for anyone who refused to pledge allegiance to Israel via their not joining AIPAC. Almost any American wanting to run for higher office has had to join AIPAC.

    Yes, people have visited Gaza. Since 2006, anything they found that was negative was on Hamas. Israel, in spite of lies otherwise, has not occupied Gaza for many years. If Gaza is a mess, it’s because Hamas spent the millions of dollars they received on arms, instead of helping their people and building infrastructure.

    If anyone violates the CoC, y0u should flag the comment instead of complain. Moderators don’t see every violation. Besides, I’m not sure that calling your friends liars, although nasty, is a violation.

     

    Poppy Bush did not join AIPAC. He also tried to bring about a more reasonable, much  less of an Israeli  hard liners’ approach to the ME.

    Bill Clinton signed on to AIPAC.

    Which one won?

    There were other reasons Bush the Elder lost. But having the tremendous flow of incoming campaign monies which came about thru AIPAC’s suggestions to various corporate and Israeli & American Jews with deep pockets certainly did not hurt Mr Clinton.

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  27. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    MarciN (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    But this double standard is accepted by the 82% of all Republicans who have decided that all is fair in matters relating to the protection of Israel.

    I am extremely proud to be on your hate list. It’s a list of intelligent and honorable people who support Israel’s right to exist and who unequivocally support the Israelis’ right to defend themselves.

    I don’t have a hate list.

    But you have proven my point.

    When any remarks – no matter how tame – are blown up as “hate,” then one has to wonder why it is that people cannot engage in an open discussion.

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  28. Susan Quinn Member
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Poppy Bush did not join AIPAC. He also tried to bring about a more reasonable, much  less of an Israeli  hard liners’ approach to the ME.

    Bill Clinton signed on to AIPAC.

    Which one won?

    There were other reasons Bush the Elder lost. But having the tremendous flow of incoming campaign monies which came about thru AIPAC’s suggestions to various corporate and Israeli & American Jews with deep pockets certainly did not hurt Mr Clinton.

    Too much conspiracy talk and no evidence. And people are free to donate as they wish.

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  29. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    That’s ridiculous, CarolJoy. They may have asked people if they supported Israel, but demanding a pledge of allegiance is absurd. You’re saying that because they didn’t join AIPAC, the org. wouldn’t support them? Please.

    SNIP

    It also has not helped the cause that the overwhelming tragedies of East Palestine Ohio and the Lahaina Hawaii “wild fires” have been swept under the rug, while the need to focus on Israel is touted as being the first concern of all Americans.

    So Israel is to blame? Or the Jews? CarolJoy, you so disappoint me with your rhetoric…

    I am  not at all blaming the Jews as being the entire reason for inattention to the problems we face here on the USA.

    After all, Jewish people are 6% of the population of the United States.

    What I am blaming is the average American’s total inability to see beyond the official narratives offered by the actual opinion makers  on either side of an issue. .

    So in fact, I am blaming the portion of the American public that really can’t get into matters beyond the headlines of whatever official narrative which  they are  fervently paying attention to. (And as Scott Adams of Dilbert fame realized circa 2020, on each and  every issue, the two sides are both being shown a movie the other side is not seeing. With a different plot, and different characteristics assigned to major players etc.)

    Our media sets things up that way. Over in Europe, regarding almost all issues, there has been  far more attention to details and far more intelligent discussions that were, until recently, part of their news’ cycles.

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  30. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Poppy Bush did not join AIPAC. He also tried to bring about a more reasonable, much less of an Israeli hard liners’ approach to the ME.

    Bill Clinton signed on to AIPAC.

    Which one won?

    There were other reasons Bush the Elder lost. But having the tremendous flow of incoming campaign monies which came about thru AIPAC’s suggestions to various corporate and Israeli & American Jews with deep pockets certainly did not hurt Mr Clinton.

    Too much conspiracy talk and no evidence. And people are free to donate as they wish.

    The term “conspiracy” is simply an attack word used when people get too close to truths that are painful for the other side of the viewpoint to think about and consider.

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