This Is the Problem Right Here, Cont.

 

Rich Lowry is, again, out to lecture on just how different Trump is, with the implication it is a bad thing.

It’s not normal for politicians to be greeted rapturously by sports fans unless they just adroitly handled some crisis or won a major war

This is in response to how Trump was received in SC at the Football game.

He goes on to say

He continues to be less a politician than a political and cultural phenomenon

This is both right and wrong. Trump is most certainly a politician. He is not a career politician, but a citizen-politician as envisioned by the Founders. Trump is clearly a cultural phenomenon, as much, or even more so, than Obama, or Kennedy or FDR. Or dare I say it, Ronald Reagan.

As to why Trump is a cultural phenomenon, this is old news. This is what has happened because Conservatism, Inc. and the GOP are losers. They have not one transformational idea even in the pipeline. Indeed, Ron DeSantis and the Florida Legislature ended Disney’s special status, and much of Conservatism, Inc. could not even cheer it. And most other GOP-controlled states would have just never done it.

Here we are because Conservatism, Inc. and the GOPe don’t offer any real change to the trajectory of the nation. Trump, on the other hand, calls the state of the nation as it is and promises to do something about it. Conservatism, Inc. and the GOPe are more concerned with decorum and the status quo.

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  1. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    The problem is that people like Rich think the alternative is better.  This has been demonstrably false in the White House, as well as several deep blue states.  Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Stad (View Comment):

    The problem is that people like Rich think the alternative is better. This has been demonstrably false in the White House, as well as several deep blue states. Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

    What principles? Endless wars? Marginal tax cuts?

    Rich is for removing statues. 

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  3. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    The Status Quo is working for the Establishment. Their rice bowls are not threatened no matter who gets elected.

    Imagine being a pundit for the Establishment, having to put lipstick on a pig every morning. It must be exhausting.

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  4. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    Rich is for removing statues.

    Another reason not to like him . . .

    Update:  Let me rephrase that.  It’s another reason why we could never be good friends . . .

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
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    Stad (View Comment):
    Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

    I can’t figure out what their principles are. They talk like conservatives, but the most conservative President since Reagan comes along and actually keeps his promises, and they work with Democrats to get rid of him. So when they claim to want conservative policy, I now look at their actions and know that they’re lying. 

     

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  6. Django Member
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    @Django

    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order O… (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):
    Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

    I can’t figure out what their principles are. They talk like conservatives, but the most conservative President since Reagan comes along and actually keeps his promises, and they work with Democrats to get rid of him. So when they claim to want conservative policy, I now look at their actions and know that they’re lying.

     

    Anyone remember the author John Irving? He had a classic line about some fictional characters, rich lawyers. He described them as the sort who “thought the practice of law was vulgar, but that the study of law was sublime.”

    Sort of reminds me of today’s conservatives. They like to write about the history of the conservative movement, the philosophical underpinnings, but they don’t much care about seeing conservatism in action. That is just so vulgar and commonplace to them. 

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  7. Rick Poach Member
    Rick Poach
    @RickPoach

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    … Conservatism, Inc. and the GOP are losers.

    Ahhh!

    It’s good to be back.

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  8. thelonious Member
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    @thelonious

    I don’t see how a President or Ex-President becoming a cultural icon is anything new. The Dems are really good at this. They turned Roosevelt, Kennedy and Obama into cultural icons. I would bet Obama would get the same response if he went to a Stanford game. The only person gently booing would be a stoic Peter Robinson.  It seems to be a smart goal of any campaign to turn a candidate into a cultural phenomenon. Voters don’t want a capable bureaucrat. They want to be inspired for some reason. I don’t ever want to look to a politician for inspiration but tis the silly world we live in. I blame this on Kennedy and all his historian mythology makers. Camelot?? Blech!!!

     

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  9. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    Bryan G. Stephens: Conservatism, Inc. and the GOPe are more concerned with decorum and status quo. 

    I would say that the GOPe doesn’t want the ‘status quo’, they are working on managed decline.  We would be much better off, if the GOPe had fought for the status quo the last 30 years.

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  10. Rick Poach Member
    Rick Poach
    @RickPoach

    Rick Poach (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    … Conservatism, Inc. and the GOP are losers.

    Ahhh!

    It’s good to be back.

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  11. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    thelonious (View Comment):

    I don’t see how a President or Ex-President becoming a cultural icon is anything new. The Dems are really good at this. They turned Roosevelt, Kennedy and Obama into cultural icons. I would bet Obama would get the same response if he went to a Stanford game. The only person gently booing would be a stoic Peter Robinson. It seems to be a smart goal of any campaign to turn a candidate into a cultural phenomenon. Voters don’t want a capable bureaucrat. They want to be inspired for some reason. I don’t ever want to look to a politician for inspiration but tis the silly world we live in. I blame this on Kennedy and all his historian mythology makers. Camelot?? Blech!!!

     

    Cults of personality are okay when the Democrats do it.

    McCain, Romney, and Jeb!/Rubio are proof that the Republicans™ not only object to cults of personality, they object to personality in general.

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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    McCain, Romney, and Jeb!/Rubio are proof that the Republicans™ not only object to cults of personality, they object to personality in general.

    Ooo. Well done.

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  13. BDB Member
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    @BDB

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Rich Lowery is at is again, out to lecture on just how different Trump is, with the implication it is a bad thing.

    It’s not normal for politicians to be greeted rapturously by sports fans unless they just adroitly handled some crisis or won a major war

    Or when they take a stand against a corrupt tyranny:

    Turns out the filthy plebs actually like that sort of thing.

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  14. Casey73 Coolidge
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    @Casey73

    thelonious (View Comment):

    I don’t see how a President or Ex-President becoming a cultural icon is anything new. The Dems are really good at this. They turned Roosevelt, Kennedy and Obama into cultural icons. I would bet Obama would get the same response if he went to a Stanford game. The only person gently booing would be a stoic Peter Robinson. It seems to be a smart goal of any campaign to turn a candidate into a cultural phenomenon. Voters don’t want a capable bureaucrat. They want to be inspired for some reason. I don’t ever want to look to a politician for inspiration but tis the silly world we live in. I blame this on Kennedy and all his historian mythology makers. Camelot?? Blech!!!

     

    My mother fawned over the Kennedys in the 60s. She didn’t live long enough to find out that neither Jack nor Jackie were the polished couple the PR made them out to be. My dad, a stoic conservative Republican knew better but also knew when and when not to talk about it. 

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  15. cdor Member
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    Every time guys like Rich Lowery open their mouths, they make themselves less relevant.

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  16. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Looks like I need to go over there and comment.

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  17. Django Member
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    @Django

    cdor (View Comment):

    Every time guys like Rich Lowery open their mouths, they make themselves less relevant.

    I laughed out loud when Ann Coulter dismissed him as “something of a girly-boy” years ago. 

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  18. BDB Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Every time guys like Rich Lowery open their mouths, they make themselves less relevant.

    I laughed out loud when Ann Coulter dismissed him as “something of a girly-boy” years ago.

    I guess this means she wants him to run for President.

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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Looks like I need to go over there and comment.

    Good luck with that. 

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  20. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    The problem is that people like Rich think the alternative is better. This has been demonstrably false in the White House, as well as several deep blue states. Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

    What principles? Endless wars? Marginal tax cuts?

    Rich is for removing statues.

    Is this so? WFB must be doing cartwheels in his grave. Erase our history? Yeah, that’s conservative.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Django (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order O… (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):
    Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

    I can’t figure out what their principles are. They talk like conservatives, but the most conservative President since Reagan comes along and actually keeps his promises, and they work with Democrats to get rid of him. So when they claim to want conservative policy, I now look at their actions and know that they’re lying.

     

    Anyone remember the author John Irving? He had a classic line about some fictional characters, rich lawyers. He described them as the sort who “thought the practice of law was vulgar, but that the study of law was sublime.”

    Sort of reminds me of today’s conservatives. They like to write about the history of the conservative movement, the philosophical underpinnings, but they don’t much care about seeing conservatism in action. That is just so vulgar and commonplace to them.

    In simple image form for easy sharing:

     

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    In simple image form for easy sharing:

     

    But why?

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  23. Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist Coolidge
    Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist
    @Flicker

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens: Conservatism, Inc. and the GOPe are more concerned with decorum and status quo.

    I would say that the GOPe doesn’t want the ‘status quo’, they are working on managed decline. We would be much better off, if the GOPe had fought for the status quo the last 30 years.

    But the status quo is the decline.

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  24. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    The problem is that people like Rich think the alternative is better. This has been demonstrably false in the White House, as well as several deep blue states. Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

    The “princilped” NTs who never support their “social inferiors” who are actually fighting for those principles.  

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  25. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    @DaveSchmidt

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens: Conservatism, Inc. and the GOPe are more concerned with decorum and status quo.

    I would say that the GOPe doesn’t want the ‘status quo’, they are working on managed decline. We would be much better off, if the GOPe had fought for the status quo the last 30 years.

    Lots of folks had wonderful careers in Constantinople up to 1453.  

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  26. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    The problem is that people like Rich think the alternative is better. This has been demonstrably false in the White House, as well as several deep blue states. Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

    What principles? Endless wars? Marginal tax cuts?

    Rich is for removing statues.

    Is this so? WFB must be doing cartwheels in his grave. Erase our history? Yeah, that’s conservative.

    Oh, he wanted to take them all down and put them in museums. Not out where people can, you know see them daily. Just sometimes. 

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    The problem is that people like Rich think the alternative is better. This has been demonstrably false in the White House, as well as several deep blue states. Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

    What principles? Endless wars? Marginal tax cuts?

    Rich is for removing statues.

    Is this so? WFB must be doing cartwheels in his grave. Erase our history? Yeah, that’s conservative.

    Oh, he wanted to take them all down and put them in museums. Not out where people can, you know see them daily. Just sometimes.

    Maybe by appointment.

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  28. Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist Coolidge
    Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist
    @Flicker

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    The problem is that people like Rich think the alternative is better. This has been demonstrably false in the White House, as well as several deep blue states. Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

    What principles? Endless wars? Marginal tax cuts?

    Rich is for removing statues.

    Is this so? WFB must be doing cartwheels in his grave. Erase our history? Yeah, that’s conservative.

    Oh, he wanted to take them all down and put them in museums. Not out where people can, you know see them daily. Just sometimes.

    Maybe by appointment.

    And with an entrance fee.

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  29. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Globalitarian Lower Order Misa… (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    The problem is that people like Rich think the alternative is better. This has been demonstrably false in the White House, as well as several deep blue states. Never-Trumpers talk about sticking to their principles, but I refuse to die by their principles . . .

    What principles? Endless wars? Marginal tax cuts?

    Rich is for removing statues.

    Is this so? WFB must be doing cartwheels in his grave. Erase our history? Yeah, that’s conservative.

    Oh, he wanted to take them all down and put them in museums. Not out where people can, you know see them daily. Just sometimes.

    Maybe by appointment.

    And with an entrance fee.

    And being added to the domestic terrorist watch list.  

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Lower Order Oaf
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Rich is for removing statues.

    Is this so? WFB must be doing cartwheels in his grave. Erase our history? Yeah, that’s conservative.

    Oh, he wanted to take them all down and put them in museums. Not out where people can, you know see them daily. Just sometimes.

    Which is what the people who took down Robert E. Lee said they were going to do.

    But then they melted down his statue instead.

    Because Democrats do not keep their promises. And Republicans only do it rarely.

     

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