Mr. Obvious Has a Question on Hamas Leadership

 

I’d like to pose a rather obvious question on the topic of how the US conducts itself with regard to Hamas in the current Hamas-Israel conflict. Why doesn’t the USA flex its alleged “superpower” status and simply capture the top leadership of Hamas in Qatar? After all, isn’t Hamas an official terrorist organization according to US policy?

Multiple reports seem to verify the fact that Hamas’s top leadership lives in luxury in Qatar. These top Hamas leaders essentially have no skin in the game and can direct terrorist operations with immunity while sitting on at least $11 billion in far away Qatar. One might observe they are not in physical danger of the conflict and likely worry little about their comfort, much less their safety. If the US was a serious power, that would not be the case.

A basic thought experiment here: imagine that after 9/11, Osama Bin Laden was simply hanging out in a posh resort in Qatar, continuously making public statements and operating al-Qaeda. How would the American people of 20 years ago have taken that? I doubt Americans then would largely shrug their shoulders and give a gesture of resignation with a comment of “oh well, I guess there’s nothing that can be done. Mind as well do nothing about it.”

Of course, there are a few things I can think of as to why the US doesn’t simply lean hard on Qatar in seizing the Hamas leaders. I could anticipate some objections from critics. But either you are a serious power or you are not. The US has military assets in Qatar and is a much bigger international player than Hamas. There is an asymmetrical relationship between the US and Qatar. The idea that the US must be impotent in this matter, even while Hamas holds American hostages, seems absurd.

The method of capturing the Hamas leadership in Qatar could vary. One possibility would be to use US Special Forces along with Intelligence agencies while diplomatically telling Qatar authorities to stand down. Use whatever leverage required on Qatar. Islamic terrorists seem to have no boundaries. It doesn’t make sense to continue the practice of “counting coup” when the other side is “taking scalps.” There seems to be a strong faction in the State Department and federal government that prefers moral vanity over practical morality.

I may not be an expert on foreign policy in the Middle East, but helping to pay for room service to Hamas leadership seems like a poor measure of deterrence to a layman.

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  1. TBA Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    It is quite clear to me that we have never been serious about dealing with terrorists. The way to do it is make Terrorism not pay. It is all about the pay off.

    I really do think we should hunt their leaders down and kill them and desecrate their bodies in a way that is offensive to their twisted faiths.

    Don’t want to because it’s an arms race we won’t likely win. 

    If that does not work, we should go after their families. After all, they have no compunction about going after babies. The same applies to suicide bombers. Make it clear that if they succeed, their families will face reprisal. Remember, these families celebrate their members suicide bombing. It is not like they are innocent bystanders. They are encouraging and supporting their little killers.

    Would you settle for seizing any money given to them by the PLHamaban, demanding restitution and putting every one of them on a watch list? bc sins of the father and stuff. 

    Trading hostages just makes it more likely to get hostages taken in the future.

    Amen. I hope this is the last time. Israel has to do it by law. Not a well-thought out law, imo. 

    Finally, every terrorist captured should be executed. That way, no future pansy can let them go in exchange for anything. 

    Patience. Let the Israelis get their innocents home. 

     

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  2. TBA Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Eb Snider: Why doesn’t the USA flex its alleged “super power” status and simply capture the top leadership of Hamas in Qatar? After all isn’t Hamas an official terrorist organization according to USA policy?

    My question exactly. My guess is the reason would be we don’t have permission from Qatar, but I say go ahead and take the Hamas jerks out. So what if Qatar complains? The worst thing they could do is introduce a UN resolution condemning our actions . . .

    I feel this. But it would have consequences for how wars are prosecuted henceforth, some of which might not be worth the price of ignition. 

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  3. TBA Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Those guys ought to be an embarrassment to the Arab world. Thieves, crooks, cowards, hypocrites urging the common Palestinians suck it up and accept poverty and to go get shot at in futile attacks while they live off the compassion of mostly (but not entirely ) Western nations. Al Capone and Pablo Escobar were far more honorable by comparison to those guys. Weird that some refer to Islam as an “honor” culture.

    I find it difficult to believe those guys pray to Mecca 5 times a day when there are hookers around, etc.

     A man can pray between hookers. 

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  4. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Eugene Kriegsmann (View Comment):

    This is a question I have been asking myself ever since I heard that Biden is backtracking on his original statements in regard to Hamas’ acts of terrorism. What Hamas did on October 7th was an act or number of individual acts of blatant immoral violence and depravity. No one with an intact sense of morality can justify rape, murder, and infanticide committed against an unsuspecting civilian population. The abduction of 240+ civilians from the survivors of the attack and the holding of those civilian captives in underground caves for more than 50 days. I don’t understand, but I accept as a norm for the useless pile of garbage on the shores of Turtle Bay, the unwillingness to condemn and use all possible force to free those hostages. However, why would the President of the United States of American not use every possible military solution to free those hostages and destroy their captors to insure that such acts never occur again. Are we or are we not the preeminent power in the world today. Are we not a nation that prides itself on our sense of justice, of righteousness. Why is that coward in the White House, the most powerful man in the world unable to make a clear and concise statement about what is happening? Is he so bereft of integrity that he is unable to stand up and be a leader who demonstrates to the people of this nation that there are unnegotiable standards of morality? Has everything become relative? Is that where our great nation has ended up? Is this the ultimate denouement of all of the efforts and risks taken by our founding fathers? If this is what our nation has become, I want nothing more to do with it! Either we clean up the pile of dog poop sitting in the Oval Office by voting him out and replacing him with someone with real integrity or we are seeing the final stages of our decline and fall. Biden is the absolute worst man who has ever held that office. He has surrounded himself with the most dispiccable mediocrities ever to be a part of this government. An education secretary who quotes a former president without understanding his words. A cross dressing imbecile who steals other people’s luggage in airports. A Homeland Security chief who has allowed and invasion of our southern border. This is like a SNL skit which in that context might be funny, but in reality is tragedy. We may well have the one head of government less able to govern effectively than that buffoon to the north of us in Canada.

    I approve this rant.

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  5. navyjag Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    It is quite clear to me that we have never been serious about dealing with terrorists. The way to do it is make Terrorism not pay. It is all about the pay off.

    I really do think we should hunt their leaders down and kill them and desecrate their bodies in a way that is offensive to their twisted faiths.

    Don’t want to because it’s an arms race we won’t likely win.

    If that does not work, we should go after their families. After all, they have no compunction about going after babies. The same applies to suicide bombers. Make it clear that if they succeed, their families will face reprisal. Remember, these families celebrate their members suicide bombing. It is not like they are innocent bystanders. They are encouraging and supporting their little killers.

    Would you settle for seizing any money given to them by the PLHamaban, demanding restitution and putting every one of them on a watch list? bc sins of the father and stuff.

    Trading hostages just makes it more likely to get hostages taken in the future.

    Amen. I hope this is the last time. Israel has to do it by law. Not a well-thought out law, imo.

    Finally, every terrorist captured should be executed. That way, no future pansy can let them go in exchange for anything.

    Patience. Let the Israelis get their innocents home.

     

    Disagree.  If the IDF does not destroy Hamas, like now, will be a lot fewer innocents to worry about in the future. 

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  6. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    We can’t “flex our muscles” in every case of injustice in the world. So we would have to pick and choose.

    We now have oil independence. So why are we getting muddled up in Middle Eastern politics? Supporting Israel is a pretty good reason, but we should give them the resources to go after Hamas in Qatar. The United States has an aversion to flag draped coffins of U.S. servicemen showing up at our airports from overseas, so we have to use stand-ins to do our dirty work.

    Where we do provide more direct support, it’s providing air support where it’s rare for pilots to get shot down, as well as sending arms to our allies.

    As things stand now, we are slowly defunding our military, including the Navy, which will result in our becoming more isolationist. Many conservatives support this.

    Perhaps we will change course, but with all the screaming we are doing at each other now, it means that we will not have a coherent foreign policy, where one administration supports Israel, and another supports Iran.

    It’s clear that our allies cannot depend on us, whatever part of the world we’re talking about. It’s time they spend money on their own defense, instead of turning to us.

    I’m not opposed to us continuing to be a hegemonic power in the world, but too many are. The quicker we signal we’re getting out, the quicker our soon to be former allies will become self sufficient (or at least try and fail at it).

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  7. TBA Coolidge
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    navyjag (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    It is quite clear to me that we have never been serious about dealing with terrorists. The way to do it is make Terrorism not pay. It is all about the pay off.

    I really do think we should hunt their leaders down and kill them and desecrate their bodies in a way that is offensive to their twisted faiths.

    Don’t want to because it’s an arms race we won’t likely win.

    If that does not work, we should go after their families. After all, they have no compunction about going after babies. The same applies to suicide bombers. Make it clear that if they succeed, their families will face reprisal. Remember, these families celebrate their members suicide bombing. It is not like they are innocent bystanders. They are encouraging and supporting their little killers.

    Would you settle for seizing any money given to them by the PLHamaban, demanding restitution and putting every one of them on a watch list? bc sins of the father and stuff.

    Trading hostages just makes it more likely to get hostages taken in the future.

    Amen. I hope this is the last time. Israel has to do it by law. Not a well-thought out law, imo.

    Finally, every terrorist captured should be executed. That way, no future pansy can let them go in exchange for anything.

    Patience. Let the Israelis get their innocents home.

     

    Disagree. If the IDF does not destroy Hamas, like now, will be a lot fewer innocents to worry about in the future.

    Not now-now, but next. Like next week. 

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    I’m not opposed to us continuing to be a hegemonic power in the world, but too many are. The quicker we signal we’re getting out, the quicker our soon to be former allies will become self sufficient (or at least try and fail at it).

    Long-term, most of our allies aren’t having enough children to replace themselves, and they’ve been importing muslims who will eventually be running those countries.

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  9. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    I’m not opposed to us continuing to be a hegemonic power in the world, but too many are. The quicker we signal we’re getting out, the quicker our soon to be former allies will become self sufficient (or at least try and fail at it).

    Long-term, most of our allies aren’t having enough children to replace themselves, and they’ve been importing muslims who will eventually be running those countries.

    It’s true of Western Europe.  Not as much in the Asian Pacific (importing Muslims, that is).

    I’m not sure we can call India an ally, their foreign policy towards us is a bit prickly, but their mostly Hindu population is increasing.  Japan is starting to let immigrants in, but I don’t get the sense that that includes Muslims.

    Frankly, I consider Western Europe to be a lost cause in the long term, and our involvement in NATO will reflect that.  It will probably be non-existent in 50 years.  I’m not sure about Eastern Europe.  I think they are suffering population decline, but are not replacing them with Muslims.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    I’m not opposed to us continuing to be a hegemonic power in the world, but too many are. The quicker we signal we’re getting out, the quicker our soon to be former allies will become self sufficient (or at least try and fail at it).

    Long-term, most of our allies aren’t having enough children to replace themselves, and they’ve been importing muslims who will eventually be running those countries.

    It’s true of Western Europe. Not as much in the Asian Pacific (importing Muslims, that is).

    I’m not sure we can call India an ally, their foreign policy towards us is a bit prickly, but their mostly Hindu population is increasing. Japan is starting to let immigrants in, but I don’t get the sense that that includes Muslims.

    Not yet, anyway.

     

    Frankly, I consider Western Europe to be a lost cause in the long term, and our involvement in NATO will reflect that. It will probably be non-existent in 50 years. I’m not sure about Eastern Europe. I think they are suffering population decline, but are not replacing them with Muslims.

    Not yet, anyway.

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  11. J Ro Member
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    Gee, I dunno. Perhaps our government has made some sort of important agreement with Qatar which includes not assassinating their invited guests.

    Currently on Apple Maps (date unknown): Some of the USAF tanker and C-17 (Qatar has 8 C-17) parking areas at Al Udeid Air Base, SW of Doha. Many shelters for smaller aircraft (Qatar has several dozen F-15) can also be seen, as well as extensive weapons storage areas. The entire base looks fairly new.

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  12. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    We can’t “flex our muscles” in every case of injustice in the world. So we would have to pick and choose.

    If not militarily, our president can at the very least express an unambiguous statement about the depravity of Hamas and its supporters. That Biden can’t do even that demonstrates a craven disregard for morality and world leadership. I am totally disgusted by him and his administration.

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  13. carcat74 Member
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    Arthur Beare (View Comment):

    I expect the Mossad will take care of these people in due course.

    It has already been stated, in so many words (by Israeli leaders), that “they are dead men walking”. Let Israel take a few scalps….

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  14. carcat74 Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Hamas is hiding in a hole in the ground and we certainly shouldn’t point out that this is what vermin do lest we dehumanize the inhuman. They have hostages from our country and others with them.

    Israel has a legal requirement (as I understand it) to bring hostages home so they don’t get to do the Reagan thing (neither did Reagan as I understand it).

    If we kill the vacationing Hamas heads we will almost certainly have dead hostages as a byproduct.

    I would be ‘ok’ with that in the sense that Israel is releasing killers who will almost certainly get back to business when they get home in order to gain people back which – unless they finish the job on the other end of the hostage returns – will just perpetuate the whole thing, including the taking of more hostages.

    So I imagine we are holding back to help our ally. And because international pressure/international law/Geneva conventions/general democrat ambivalence/offending Qatari sensitivities/losing Arab mellowing wrt Israel.

    There is also that weird thing where we have an understanding that government is not a war target per se.

    It is my hope that Israel has a list of war criminals and will destroy them when they can. I believe Israel has decided that they’re not going to listen to ‘calls for peace’ this time and will fight until they are satisfied that they have taken the fight out of Palestine. Palestine won’t like it, but they have gone way out of their way to earn it.

    Israel already released a killer. One of the terrorists released for that Israeli solder some years back is said to have one of the masterminds of 10/7.

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  15. carcat74 Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    As I mentioned in an earlier thread, it took the Mossad nearly 20 years to track down and kill most of the terrorists from the Munich massacre.

    When they least expected it…..

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  16. carcat74 Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    We can’t “flex our muscles” in every case of injustice in the world. So we would have to pick and choose.

    We now have oil independence. So why are we getting muddled up in Middle Eastern politics? Supporting Israel is a pretty good reason, but we should give them the resources to go after Hamas in Qatar. The United States has an aversion to flag draped coffins of U.S. servicemen showing up at our airports from overseas, so we have to use stand-ins to do our dirty work.

    Where we do provide more direct support, it’s providing air support where it’s rare for pilots to get shot down, as well as sending arms to our allies.

    As things stand now, we are slowly defunding our military, including the Navy, which will result in our becoming more isolationist. Many conservatives support this.

    Perhaps we will change course, but with all the screaming we are doing at each other now, it means that we will not have a coherent foreign policy, where one administration supports Israel, and another supports Iran.

    It’s clear that our allies cannot depend on us, whatever part of the world we’re talking about. It’s time they spend money on their own defense, instead of turning to us.

    I’m not opposed to us continuing to be a hegemonic power in the world, but too many are. The quicker we signal we’re getting out, the quicker our soon to be former allies will become self sufficient (or at least try and fail at it).

    “We now have oil independence”? When did THAT happen? In between the edicts banning gas stoves, ICE cars, and eating beef?  Oh, I forgot the light bulbs, gas generators, and whatever else. We have ALWAYS meddled in ME politics, to some degree or other.

    While the suggestions for taking care of the Qatar “problem” have been entertaining, let’s use the K.I.S.S. principle. Some weeks from now, gas the apartment/house/building where they live with nonlethal gas, grab the pertinent people, and leave. Let everyone wake up naturally, when they realize, “Oh, no—He/they are gone!” A few weeks later,  mail pieces of them back. Or, gas, then toss off the balcony!

     

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  17. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    carcat74 (View Comment):
    “We now have oil independence”? When did THAT happen? In between the edicts banning gas stoves, ICE cars, and eating beef?  Oh, I forgot the light bulbs, gas generators, and whatever else. We have ALWAYS meddled in ME politics, to some degree or other.

    It happened when fracking became widespread in the United States.  And those bans can be ended whenever we have the political will to do so.  We have the resources, we can use them when we want.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):
    “We now have oil independence”? When did THAT happen? In between the edicts banning gas stoves, ICE cars, and eating beef? Oh, I forgot the light bulbs, gas generators, and whatever else. We have ALWAYS meddled in ME politics, to some degree or other.

    It happened when fracking became widespread in the United States. And those bans can be ended whenever we have the political will to do so. We have the resources, we can use them when we want.

    You’re referring to the Trump years.  FJB started undoing that literally on Day One of his term.

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  19. carcat74 Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):
    “We now have oil independence”? When did THAT happen? In between the edicts banning gas stoves, ICE cars, and eating beef? Oh, I forgot the light bulbs, gas generators, and whatever else. We have ALWAYS meddled in ME politics, to some degree or other.

    It happened when fracking became widespread in the United States. And those bans can be ended whenever we have the political will to do so. We have the resources, we can use them when we want.

    Yep, it was fun while it lasted, wasn’t it? We saw the handwriting on the wall when the Resident cancelled the Keystone Pipeline on Day 1. Fracking was a good thing, except for Colorado, who tried to pass something with the voters, and when they said, “NO!”, did an end run and did it anyway. Something about no fracking activity within 15000 ft (or was 1500 ft?) of a residence, which killed fracking in Colorado, didn’t it?  Please, kindly correct me if I’m wrong, memory ain’t what it used to be……

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