Quote of the Day: Enormous Blessings

 

“I think it’s an enormous blessing to be the child of an immigrant who fled oppression, because you realize how fragile liberty is and how easily it can be taken away.” – Ted Cruz

“I was so horrifically bad at tennis” — Ted Cruz

I like Ted Cruz a lot, and have grown to like him even more in the last few years. He doesn’t mince words, and is brutal and fearless when he challenges people who are either seeking appointments or testifying about their corporate actions. He’s also very articulate, has a deep understanding of the Constitution, and a great sense of humor.

When I saw the first quotation above, I couldn’t help but appreciate how he translated his experiences in Cuba into a love and commitment to liberty in this country. I think that attitude is true of many immigrant Cubans; we see them becoming very successful, especially in southern Florida.

But why do other immigrants who come from oppressive countries not have the same reaction? Why do they bring some of the archaic and primitive beliefs with them, especially the very reasons they have fled their native countries?

Do we pin the problem on Joe Biden because he has made it so easy for migrants to break the law? What about the illegals in New York, who expected comfortable accommodations and to be served food they preferred?

Finally, I added the second quotation because some people mistaken Cruz’s self-confidence for arrogance. Any man who admits to being terrible at a sport can’t be all bad.

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  1. Arahant Member
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    Susan Quinn: But why do other immigrants who come from oppressive countries not have the same reaction?

    Cuba chased away its elites. Most modern “migrants” are not the elites, simply starving peasants who want to know where the next meal is coming from.

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: But why do other immigrants who come from oppressive countries not have the same reaction?

    Cuba chased away its elites. Most modern “migrants” are not the elites, simply starving peasants who want to know where the next meal is coming from.

    So you think if they are starving peasants, they aren’t going to appreciate the advantages of liberty? You might be right.

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  3. Arahant Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    So you think if they are starving peasants, they aren’t going to appreciate the advantages of liberty? You might be right.

    I think they do not think deeply about such things. Ted Cruz is a thinker. His parents were probably thinkers. The majority of people out there would rather be drinkin’ than thinkin’. It has always been so.

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  4. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    So you think if they are starving peasants, they aren’t going to appreciate the advantages of liberty? You might be right.

    I think they do not think deeply about such things. Ted Cruz is a thinker. His parents were probably thinkers. The majority of people out there would rather be drinkin’ than thinkin’. It has always been so.

    But what about those migrants who came here for the American Dream? Many who came early on were poor, too.

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  5. Arahant Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    But what about those migrants who came here for the American Dream? Many who came early on were poor, too.

    And some came in groups searching for the freedom to be the oppressors rather than the oppressed. And I do not say that as some closet leftists. The Pilgrims came because they did not have enough freedom to practice their religion in England. But, they had had that freedom when they lived in the Seven United Provinces. The problem was that there were too many licentious people around. They wanted a Puritan government.

    Most of the early colonies had established religions within the colony. That persisted when they became states within the United States until some judges on the Supreme Court decided that limits on the Federal Government also applied to state and other governments within the United States. (History says, that was not the intent.)

    There were plenty of immigrants all along who simply wanted to be left alone. But most adhered to human nature, and that included various forms of tribalism. Many religions are about striving for higher than human nature at its basest form. But few are the people who do.

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  6. Bob Thompson Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    But what about those migrants who came here for the American Dream? Many who came early on were poor, too.

    And some came in groups searching for the freedom to be the oppressors rather than the oppressed. And I do not say that as some closet leftists. The Pilgrims came because they did not have enough freedom to practice their religion in England. But, they had had that freedom when they lived in the Seven United Provinces. The problem was that there were too many licentious people around. They wanted a Puritan government.

    Most of the early colonies had established religions within the colony. That persisted when they became states within the United States until some judges on the Supreme Court decided that limits on the Federal Government also applied to state and other governments within the United States. (History says, that was not the intent.)

    There were plenty of immigrants all along who simply wanted to be left alone. But most adhered to human nature, and that included various forms of tribalism. Many religions are about striving for higher than human nature at its basest form. But few are the people who do.

    We have seen some of this displayed on Ricochet. Here is a good article explaining some of it:

    Freedom and Virtue: Friends or Enemies?

     

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  7. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    Nice one. I like Cruz. Would have been happy with him as President, although I think governors are better; Senators run committes, governors run bureaucracies. 

    I get the impression that, in his present position, he is free to speak his mind. I like the fact that he does so.

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  8. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    Nice one. I like Cruz. Would have been happy with him as President, although I think governors are better; Senators run committes, governors run bureaucracies.

    I get the impression that, in his present position, he is free to speak his mind. I like the fact that he does so.

    I’ve had a great time observing him on committees on YouTube. He won’t let anyone try to get away with lies. I like him almost as much as Senator Kennedy! If some of you haven’t observed some of these committees in action, I highly recommend it. Although you’ll be discouraged when you see how many Leftists that Biden tries to get in.

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  9. Rodin Member
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    I think why someone immigrates is significant. Political refugees are likely to embrace what I consider traditional American values (although getting someone who is simply fleeing because their particular faction lost power for the moment may not embrace America). Economic refugees can be subdivided between those that are prevented in their home country from being free to produce and those who are merely in poverty and likely would be where ever they go. The former will, like political refugees, embrace the traditional American system. The latter are going to be looking for a safety net. It is wrong to assume everyone walking in under Biden are simply here for a safety net. But it is just as wrong to assume they are not. We need immigration controls and a means for assuring that those admitted will contribute and strengthen our country. 

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  10. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    So you think if they are starving peasants, they aren’t going to appreciate the advantages of liberty? You might be right.

    Some of that is Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs.  When you are starving you seek food, shelter, and comfort. When all those needs are met and you have stability, you seek self-realization.  When we look at some immigrants to the US, the Cubans as one example, they were the elites under Batista and usually successful.  They came here with nothing but they built something because they had done it before and could do it again.  When you take a person who was poor in their homeland and bring them here, they aren’t likely to become wildly successful, or even moderately successful (note I said likely, it can and does happen).  They are, often, looking to be poor in the richest country in the world because being poor here is middle to upper class where they came from.  They didn’t come in search of liberty, but economic improvement.  This pattern has repeated itself for a very long time…really to Jamestown and Plymouth Rock.  Those original settlers were motivated to come to the US, and it was expensive.  They were not poor, though they were when they got here.  They built, often from nothing, something of value as they had at home.  This was true of most immigrant waves, because even in the midst of the Eastern European waves, the Irish, the Southern Europeans…it was expensive to immigrate.  You had to buy a ticket on a ship and it was one-way.  That is a tough decision to make and only the motivated did it.  Now, it’s a long walk, but that is about it.  Much easier to come and thus we get less motivated people.  Often they come with the intention of going back home or sending money to family back home.  They are here to make money not be Americans.

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    So you think if they are starving peasants, they aren’t going to appreciate the advantages of liberty? You might be right.

    Some of that is Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. When you are starving you seek food, shelter, and comfort. When all those needs are met and you have stability, you seek self-realization. When we look at some immigrants to the US, the Cubans as one example, they were the elites under Batista and usually successful. They came here with nothing but they built something because they had done it before and could do it again. When you take a person who was poor in their homeland and bring them here, they aren’t likely to become wildly successful, or even moderately successful (note I said likely, it can and does happen). They are, often, looking to be poor in the richest country in the world because being poor here is middle to upper class where they came from. They didn’t come in search of liberty, but economic improvement. This pattern has repeated itself for a very long time…really to Jamestown and Plymouth Rock. Those original settlers were motivated to come to the US, and it was expensive. They were not poor, though they were when they got here. They built, often from nothing, something of value as they had at home. This was true of most immigrant waves, because even in the midst of the Eastern European waves, the Irish, the Southern Europeans…it was expensive to immigrate. You had to buy a ticket on a ship and it was one-way. That is a tough decision to make and only the motivated did it. Now, it’s a long walk, but that is about it. Much easier to come and thus we get less motivated people. Often they come with the intention of going back home or sending money to family back home. They are here to make money not be Americans.

    I think this is a realistic assessment. I also think that a reason the establishment fears Donald Trump as President is that, in addition to his appeal to already existing real Americans, he has appeal for many of these and can even turn them into real Americans.

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  12. Fritz Coolidge
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    If a would-be immigrant has to go through the proper channels and legal process, the effort builds value into the end goal: winning admittance to America, and thus is appreciated, revered, treasured.

    If, by contrast, a would-be immigrant merely needs to sneak across a border to disappear in a sea of illegals, being in the country has much less accrued meaning and value.

    People tend to value things that have cost them, and place less value on freebies.

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  13. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    Nice one. I like Cruz. Would have been happy with him as President, although I think governors are better; Senators run committes, governors run bureaucracies.

    I get the impression that, in his present position, he is free to speak his mind. I like the fact that he does so.

    To many leftists, Cruz was a “Trump” before DJT entered national politics.  

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  14. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    So you think if they are starving peasants, they aren’t going to appreciate the advantages of liberty? You might be right.

    Some of that is Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. When you are starving you seek food, shelter, and comfort. When all those needs are met and you have stability, you seek self-realization. When we look at some immigrants to the US, the Cubans as one example, they were the elites under Batista and usually successful. They came here with nothing but they built something because they had done it before and could do it again. When you take a person who was poor in their homeland and bring them here, they aren’t likely to become wildly successful, or even moderately successful (note I said likely, it can and does happen). They are, often, looking to be poor in the richest country in the world because being poor here is middle to upper class where they came from. They didn’t come in search of liberty, but economic improvement. This pattern has repeated itself for a very long time…really to Jamestown and Plymouth Rock. Those original settlers were motivated to come to the US, and it was expensive. They were not poor, though they were when they got here. They built, often from nothing, something of value as they had at home. This was true of most immigrant waves, because even in the midst of the Eastern European waves, the Irish, the Southern Europeans…it was expensive to immigrate. You had to buy a ticket on a ship and it was one-way. That is a tough decision to make and only the motivated did it. Now, it’s a long walk, but that is about it. Much easier to come and thus we get less motivated people. Often they come with the intention of going back home or sending money to family back home. They are here to make money not be Americans.

    The desperately poor do not have the resources to migrate.  They might be transported by a generous private or public benefactor.  Otherwise they are stuck at home.  

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  15. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I so appreciate the comments on the reasons illegals come here and how those reasons influence their attitudes toward America! You all make a lot of sense; it’s too bad Joe Biden doesn’t see the wisdom of your thinking.

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  16. John Park Member
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    Re #8, it’s Murkowski who knifes conservatives in the back on these nominations when Collins doesn’t.

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  17. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I’m probably not the first person to say this, but I love the crack in the Liberty Bell, the scarring of the aged metal. When I look at it, it reminds me of what we hear so often, how precious liberty is and how frail it is becoming in these times.

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  18. Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I’m probably not the first person to say this, but I love the crack in the Liberty Bell, the scarring of the aged metal. When I look at it, it reminds me of what we hear so often, how precious liberty is and how frail it is becoming in these times.

    If I remember right, the first liberty bell cracked and so they melted it down and recast it, and it cracked a second time.  Kind of weird.

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  19. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    Nice one. I like Cruz. Would have been happy with him as President, although I think governors are better; Senators run committes, governors run bureaucracies.

    I get the impression that, in his present position, he is free to speak his mind. I like the fact that he does so.

    To many leftists, Cruz was a “Trump” before DJT entered national politics.

    And to way too many on the Right as well.  Cruz had the “outsider” lane for the nomination in ’16 until Trump appeared.  I think he could have won the nomination and would have, absent Trump, because many who supported Trump would have liked Cruz.  However, I am of the opinion that Cruz could not have won in ’16 using Trump’s path, and it is unlikely that he could have won using a more traditional path.

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  20. Percival Thatcher
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    Nice one. I like Cruz. Would have been happy with him as President, although I think governors are better; Senators run committes, governors run bureaucracies.

    I get the impression that, in his present position, he is free to speak his mind. I like the fact that he does so.

    To many leftists, Cruz was a “Trump” before DJT entered national politics.

    And to way too many on the Right as well. Cruz had the “outsider” lane for the nomination in ’16 until Trump appeared. I think he could have won the nomination and would have, absent Trump, because many who supported Trump would have liked Cruz. However, I am of the opinion that Cruz could not have won in ’16 using Trump’s path, and it is unlikely that he could have won using a more traditional path.

    The GOPe hated Cruz first. They were still hating on him while one by one their options were narrowed. Then it was Trump, Cruz, and Kung Fu Kasich, and they actually tried to prop up Kasich.

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  21. Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist Coolidge
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Douglas Pratt (View Comment):

    Nice one. I like Cruz. Would have been happy with him as President, although I think governors are better; Senators run committes, governors run bureaucracies.

    I get the impression that, in his present position, he is free to speak his mind. I like the fact that he does so.

    To many leftists, Cruz was a “Trump” before DJT entered national politics.

    And to way too many on the Right as well. Cruz had the “outsider” lane for the nomination in ’16 until Trump appeared. I think he could have won the nomination and would have, absent Trump, because many who supported Trump would have liked Cruz. However, I am of the opinion that Cruz could not have won in ’16 using Trump’s path, and it is unlikely that he could have won using a more traditional path.

    I think Cruz was the outsider among the insiders.  There was also Rand Paul who’s not in the club, and Carly Fiorina and Ben Carson were not even politicians.  I think “rough insider” may apply to Cruz, but not outsider.

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  22. carcat74 Member
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    I think why someone immigrates is significant. Political refugees are likely to embrace what I consider traditional American values (although getting someone who is simply fleeing because their particular faction lost power for the moment may not embrace America). Economic refugees can be subdivided between those that are prevented in their home country from being free to produce and those who are merely in poverty and likely would be where ever they go. The former will, like political refugees, embrace the traditional American system. The latter are going to be looking for a safety net. It is wrong to assume everyone walking in under Biden are simply here for a safety net. But it is just as wrong to assume they are not. We need immigration controls and a means for assuring that those admitted will contribute and strengthen our country.

    When Ellis Island was open, an immigrant had to prove his worth to our society, by becoming a productive citizen. Not so much any more…….

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  23. Arahant Member
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    carcat74 (View Comment):
    When Ellis Island was open, an immigrant had to prove his worth to our society, by becoming a productive citizen. Not so much any more…….

    When my ancestors came, they had to go into the woods with a rifle, an axe, and a prayer. No social programs, no support at all.

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  24. carcat74 Member
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    Incoming immigrants had to have a working knowledge of the English language, demonstrate they had a viable trade (cobbler, carpenter, cook, seamstress…..), be free of disease, and wouldn’t be a burden economically.

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  25. Arahant Member
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    carcat74 (View Comment):

    Incoming immigrants had to have a working knowledge of the English language, demonstrate they had a viable trade (cobbler, carpenter, cook, seamstress…..), be free of disease, and wouldn’t be a burden economically.

    Yeah. That was the Ellis Island era. When my family came in the early Seventeenth Century, the natives had not set up anything like that. See what happened to them.

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  26. The Reticulator Member
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    carcat74 (View Comment):

    Incoming immigrants had to have a working knowledge of the English language,

    I don’t think any of my immigrant ancestors had a working knowledge of English when they came here.  Some of them never learned English, but didn’t need it because they were part of a supportive community.  Their offspring all learned it, though. 

    demonstrate they had a viable trade (cobbler, carpenter, cook, seamstress…..), be free of disease, and wouldn’t be a burden economically.

     

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  27. Arahant Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I don’t think any of my immigrant ancestors had a working knowledge of English when they came here.  Some of them never learned English, but didn’t need it because they were part of a supportive community.  Their offspring all learned it, though. 

    Depends on when and through where. Ellis Island’s facility did not open up until 1892. A lot of folks came in before that, and for awhile it was wide open and the Wild West.

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  28. Arahant Member
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    Ah, “The individual states had their own varying immigration laws until 1875. . .” Ellis Island’s conversion was part of a federal takeover.

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  29. Percival Thatcher
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):

    Incoming immigrants had to have a working knowledge of the English language, demonstrate they had a viable trade (cobbler, carpenter, cook, seamstress…..), be free of disease, and wouldn’t be a burden economically.

    Yeah. That was the Ellis Island era. When my family came in the early Seventeenth Century, the natives had not set up anything like that. See what happened to them.

    The English (or Scottish, depending) and the Swiss/German were over in the 16th Century. The Swiss/German was a gunsmith. The other one was a cattle reallocation specialist who had been sent to America by the Crown “there to remaine and not returne.” Meh. The cattle were too stringy anyway. No Ellis Island for them.

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  30. Arahant Member
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    Percival (View Comment):
    cattle reallocation specialist

    Yeah. I come from a higher class of folk.

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