Hamas Delenda Est

 

From an article appropriately entitled The Gathering Storm wirtten a few days after October 7:

The world is beginning to look a lot like the 1930s, when Japan attacked and overran much of China, and Nazi Germany and its then-ally the Soviet Union attacked and overran Poland and the Baltic States.

The barbarity of the attack on Israel that day has been described over and over again, in words and via video, some of which, as a measure of the indescribable depravity of the animals of Hamas, were recorded by the murderers themselves on body cams as they were committing their acts of the cruelest crimes against humanity since the Holocaust.

I am, always have been, and pray I always will be, of the quaint old school of thought that when a group of savages beheads the babies of my Nation, rapes, sodomizes and tortures its women, executes old men on their back porch enjoying the morning air (a scenario I witnessed in one of the videos we can all watch online if one has the stomach to do so, as I have been that old man many mornings), slaughters entire families in their home, that group of savages should be wiped off the face of the map. No ifs, ands, or buts. The Old Fashioned Way. Total elimination. No woke fantasies about “negotiating” with the scum of the earth. Which takes us to the wisdom of a great man of Ancient History, Cato the Elder. Here is a brief story of his philosophy of dealing with an enemy which fits the current nightmare perfectly:

At the turn of the 2nd century BCE, the Second Punic War between Carthage and Rome had ended. Rome was eventually victorious, but had suffered some significant and bad defeats. The peace treaty was even tougher for Carthage – it stripped them of many of their territories, their wealth, and restricted their actions.

Fast forward 50 years later, there was another conflict between Carthage and Rome – this time in a Punic-turned-Roman-city called Massinissa. Cato, a famous Roman orator and senator, was sent to Massinissa to investigate. He had fought in the Second Punic War in his 20s. Cato was surprised to see that, since the end of the Second Punic War, Carthage had become a thriving and wealthy city again.

When Cato came to back to Rome, he called for the war against Carthage – a war to stop them once and for all. He ended his speech with the phrase:

Carthago delenda est.
Carthage must be destroyed.

Cato would go on to end every speech he gave with Carthago delenda est, even if the speech was on an unrelated topic. He would continue to advocate a final war against Carthage for years. In 146 BC, nearly 8 years after Cato ventured back to Carthage and saw its wealth, would Carthage attack Massinissa and give Rome a reason to star the Third (and final) Punic War.

One reason I decided to jot down these few thoughts tonight was that I started reviewing some articles I had saved for later reading, which were written shortly after the massacre of October 7. Many bore titles like Israel must destroy the jihadist terrorists once and for all and Silent cries amidst invation: Israel must eliminate Hamas. I was struck by the fact that one rarely sees such clarity now amid the outcry for “proportionality” and “humanitarian concerns” and “ceasefires” all of which are repulsive to me. As are every single expression of the Biden “administration” urging “restraint, not hate” in the face of having your babies decapitated with hoes and shovels. Count me among those adherents of Cato the Elder. How anyone could have any other position after actually learning of what was done that day, as described in the following piece is incomprehensible to me:

In the haunting silence that follows yet another terrifying burst of gunfire, amidst the charred remains of a once peaceful kibbutz near the Gaza border, lies an emblem of innocence—a baby, found alone at Kibbutz Kfar Aza, whose parents may have been kidnapped by Hamas.

Negotiate with people who would leave a baby crying alone having taken its parents hostage (if they were among the “lucky” ones)? What other alternative universe have we entered when, as we speak, some of the “great” minds of our universe are negotiating with the vermin who left that baby behind to fend for itself?

No, as the author of that piece makes crystal clear, there is only one path:

For all these reasons and more, Israel’s case for military action against Hamas in Gaza is clear. The organization must be torn from Gaza root and stem. While war should always be a last resort, Israel now faces a situation in which decisive action is required to safeguard its future and pave the way for a more stable, peaceful Middle East.

Root and stem! Gone forever! Eliminated! Eradicated! It is said that when Cato the Elder had completed the total destruction of Carthage, burning everything to the ground, he ordered that the lands be salted so as to assure no one could ever live there again.

Where is our Cato?

I think we all know.

Hamas delenda est!

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  1. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    I was also thinking of Cato the Elder. 

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    So this is why they say men think about the Roman Empire several times a day?

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  3. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    If only I could like this post ten thousand times, it would be scores too few.

    @She previously posted about the disparity of the “exchange” from Israel’s 3 prisoners convicted of heinous crimes, for 1 Hamas’ kidnapped innocent victim.  3 for 1. Three dedicated, hardened convicted Islamic terrorists exchanged for each innocent Jewish child or retired, old Jewish senior kidnapped.   

    I appreciated the Jewish commentator’s final statement in She’ post. 

    in essence: :We will root out all Hamas and kill them.

    I trust this also includes the recently released convicts. 

     

    Hamas delenda est

     

     

     

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  4. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    It kills me how much I want to sign on to all of this. It kills me that I can’t. 

    Hamas must be destroyed. 

    Palestine less so. 

    The list of atrocities is padded. I really wish everyone could agree on which atrocities happened and which didn’t. But as I understand it there are no verified reports of beheaded babies, much less by way of hoes and shovels. This was done to adult males, however. This post is the first I’ve heard of sodomy. 

    It is claims like this, whether debunked or ‘debunked’, that weaken righteous rage at atrocity; fact checks prove these guys aren’t all that atrocious. It’s impossible to charge forward while you’re walking back. 

    As to the baby abandoned, that honestly seems relatively merciful compared to other fates that have been claimed to have happened to babies. 

    Invaded. Killed and captured non-combatants. Raped. This is known to have happened. It should suffice. 

    Again, just so we are all clear on my position, Hamas must be eliminated – killed, imprisoned, whatever it takes. Palestinians must be made to realize that This Is Not The Way. If they can’t be made to realize this, repeat the elimination until they do or we run out of Palestinians. 

     

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  5. Jim George Member
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    TBA (View Comment):
    But as I understand it there are no verified reports of beheaded babies, much less by way of hoes and shovels.

    Israeli officer says he found baby beheaded in Hamas attack

    Kfar Aza (Israel) (AFP) – A senior Israeli army officer said Friday that he had found the body of a decapitated baby in one of the kibbutz communities attacked by Hamas on October 7.

    Issued on: 

    CNN: under caption on Twitter reading “they decapitated babies.”

    ‘I carried a beheaded baby in my hands,’ says Kibbutz Be’eri rescuer

    Jerusalem Post  Israel News

    Photos of babies being burnt, decapitated confirmed

    The photos were shown to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken during his visit to Israel on Thursday.

    By TZVI JOFFREUpdated: OCTOBER 26, 2023 13:27

    The Jerusalem Post can now confirm based on verified photos of the bodies that the reports of babies being burnt and decapitated in Hamas’s assault on Kfar Aza are correct. May their memory be a blessing.

    The photos were shown to US Secretary of State Antony Blinken during his visit to Israel on Thursday by the Public Diplomacy Directorate in the Prime Minister’s Office. Later in the day, the photos were published by the Prime Minister’s Office on Twitter. The photos are graphic and have a content warning covering them until a button reading “show” is pressed.

    NBC Montana:

    At least 40 babies killed, beheaded in Israeli kibbutz outside Gaza Strip, reports say


    by KRISTINA WATROBSKI | The National Desk

    I tried my best to find a video of a Hamas animal actually using a shovel or a hoe to decapitate a baby but the above articles — a very small sampling — were the next best thing. I did not bother to include the ludicrous reports of such insulting-to-the-intelligence sources as Snopes but they are readily available to those who refuse to be persuaded of the depths of depravity of these monsters.

    TBA (View Comment):
    fact checks prove these guys aren’t all that atrocious.

    This sentence is so monumentally insensitive and uncaring it is impossible to counter it except to say that maybe you should be in one of those “protests” in favor of butchers like the ones who committed these acts of barbarity on Oct. 7.

    TBA (View Comment):
    As to the baby abandoned, that honestly seems relatively merciful compared to other fates that have been claimed to have happened to babies.

    I occupy such a different universe from one in which this kind of statement can be made that I cannot formulate a response.

    TBA (View Comment):
    Palestinians must be made to realize that This Is Not The Way

    How many millinnea are the Israelis to be expected to do exactly this and still be told they should try just one more time? This is the Biden approach: shape up or strong letter will follow.  I respectfully dissent from every word.

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  6. Jim George Member
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    A catalog of the not “all that atrocious” slaughter was just published by Just the News and can be accessed here

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  7. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Jim George (View Comment):

    A catalog of the not “all that atrocious” slaughter was just published by Just the News and can be accessed here

    In the face of the PR onslaught of Hamas apologists, we need to remain clear about the vicious atrocities the terrorists committed.  

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  8. Jim George Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Jim George (View Comment):

    A catalog of the not “all that atrocious” slaughter was just published by Just the News and can be accessed here

    In the face of the PR onslaught of Hamas apologists, we need to remain clear about the vicious atrocities the terrorists committed.

    Agree. For those who may be interested in further proof of Hamas’ barbarity I did some extensive work to put together my post entitled

    Einsatzgruppen=Hamas, Israel=Dresden

    After digging that deep and then be told these mad dogs, an insult to dogs everywhere especially my little puppy, were not “all that atrocious” is, to put it mildly, hard to take and still be expected to forumlate a “civil” response. 

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  9. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    Jim George (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    But as I understand it there are no verified reports of beheaded babies, much less by way of hoes and shovels.

    And my understanding was partly wrong and partly right. I used the word ‘verified’ for a reason. 

    TBA (View Comment):
    fact checks prove these guys aren’t all that atrocious.

    This sentence is so monumentally insensitive and uncaring it is impossible to counter it except to say that maybe you should be in one of those “protests” in favor of butchers like the ones who committed these acts of barbarity on Oct. 7.

    That sentence doesn’t represent me, it represents other people’s viewpoints as they get whiplash from being told that the atrocities go up to eleven and then hear that they only go up to ten. Because the ‘conversation’ changes from ‘how could they do X’ to ‘oh, I guess they didn’t do X’ which lessens the impact of the entire rest of the alphabet of war crimes and inhumanity. 

    It is precisely this change in conversation that allows the pro-Palestinian people to step up to microphones without censure. 

    The court of public opinion has the crookedest of lawyers, the stupidest and most easily bored of jurors…and no judge. I could wish that all the claims made had evidence to go along with them at the time they were made because people form opinions on day one and look for evidence to keep those claims. When the evidence doesn’t back them up on day two, they feel like they’ve been lied to. Manipulated. People hate that. So they lose certainty. They lose focus. They lose interest. 

    TBA (View Comment):
    As to the baby abandoned, that honestly seems relatively merciful compared to other fates that have been claimed to have happened to babies.

    I occupy such a different universe from one in which this kind of statement can be made that I cannot formulate a response.

    So leaving the baby behind wouldn’t be worse than putting it in an oven or beheading it ? Note I not only wrote ‘relatively’, I italicized it. Because I don’t think it is merciful, it is just less horrific on a scale. 

    TBA (View Comment):
    Palestinians must be made to realize that This Is Not The Way

    How many millinnea are the Israelis to be expected to do exactly this and still be told they should try just one more time? This is the Biden approach: shape up or strong letter will follow. I respectfully dissent from every word.

    That is not at all what I am saying. What I am saying is kill all of Hamas and go back and do it all over if another ‘Hamas’ arises. Or are you suggesting genocide? 

    Because I am fine with the amount of Palestinians dying as Israel prosecutes this war. I would be fine if more were dying. I would much prefer that it didn’t include every last one. 

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):
    Because I am fine with the amount of Palestinians dying as Israel prosecutes this war. I would be fine if more were dying. I would much prefer that it didn’t include every last one. 

    Except if the last one has some kind of Khan-esque “I will avenge you!” line, then they need to die too.

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  11. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    kedavis (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    Because I am fine with the amount of Palestinians dying as Israel prosecutes this war. I would be fine if more were dying. I would much prefer that it didn’t include every last one.

    Except if the last one has some kind of Khan-esque “I will avenge you!” line, then they need to die too.

    Yes. 

    At risk of being an atrocity guy myself, I can’t say I’d miss them. 

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    TBA (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):
    Because I am fine with the amount of Palestinians dying as Israel prosecutes this war. I would be fine if more were dying. I would much prefer that it didn’t include every last one.

    Except if the last one has some kind of Khan-esque “I will avenge you!” line, then they need to die too.

    Yes.

    At risk of being an atrocity guy myself, I can’t say I’d miss them.

    As I put it on another post, they’re lucky I’m not a Douwd.

     

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  13. Jim George Member
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    @JimGeorge

    Justice Scalia used a memorable phrase in describing some of Justice Kennedy’s supernatural musings and I will just quote it here as it perfectly describes some of the tortured reasoning required to find ANYthing in favor of what these sub-human monsters did. That phrase was

    Argle Bargle.

    FWIW

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  14. Buckpasser Member
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    As I have said before, Abraham got G-d to agree to spare Sodom if he could find 10 righteous men in the city….He couldn’t.  There are not 10 righteous men in Gaza.

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  15. Jim George Member
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    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    As I have said before, Abraham got G-d to agree to spare Sodom if he could find 10 righteous men in the city….He couldn’t. There are not 10 righteous men in Gaza.

    And the ones that are, which I cannot imagine, voted for Hamas in the 2006 election. 

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  16. MiMac Thatcher
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    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    As I have said before, Abraham got G-d to agree to spare Sodom if he could find 10 righteous men in the city….He couldn’t. There are not 10 righteous men in Gaza.

    well to be fair, Gaza city is a lot larger than Sodom…but more wicked

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  17. Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    As I have said before, Abraham got G-d to agree to spare Sodom if he could find 10 righteous men in the city….He couldn’t. There are not 10 righteous men in Gaza.

    well to be fair, Gaza city is a lot larger than Sodom…but more wicked

    A lot larger but not a Lot.

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  18. Sisyphus Member
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    Jim George (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    As I have said before, Abraham got G-d to agree to spare Sodom if he could find 10 righteous men in the city….He couldn’t. There are not 10 righteous men in Gaza.

    And the ones that are, which I cannot imagine, voted for Hamas in the 2006 election.

    Or, at least, that’s how their votes were counted.

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  19. Jim George Member
    Jim George
    @JimGeorge

    @flicker

    @DaveSchmidt 

    @kedavis 

    @nohaaj

    @RobtGilsdorf

    It appears those rooting for the butchers of Hamas are getting exactly what they wanted according to a piece in Powerline by John Hinderaker with which I agree completely. It is here  

    It is short so here it is:

    POSTED ON NOVEMBER 28, 2023 BY JOHN HINDERAKER IN ARAB ISRAEL CONFLICTHAMASISRAEL

    A MISGUIDED TRUCE

    Several weeks ago, anti-Semitic demonstrations broke out around the world, calling for the destruction of Israel and for a cease fire between Israel and Gaza–i.e., an end to Israel’s counter-offensive. The demonstrators got their wish, and so far, the cease fire is playing out as I had feared. Israel’s military momentum is gone, and Israel has lost control over the situation. All focus now is on the hostage/prisoner exchanges. That puts Hamas in the driver’s seat, and the terrorist regime likely can drag out the cease fire almost indefinitely by dribbling out hostages a few at a time. Having gone down this path, it is hard to see a basis on which Israel’s government can withdraw from the process. So, despite brave assurances from some Israeli officials that the offensive will resume as soon as a brief truce is over, that eventuality is starting to look remote.

    Meanwhile, U.S. support for Israel is draining away. Joe Biden is leaning on Israel’s government not to resume its offensive and to be more sensitive to civilian casualties–a suggestion that ought better be addressed to Hamas. Congressional Democrats are talking about conditioning ongoing aid to Israel on that country’s obeying international law. Which, of course, it does, but the intent is clear.

    A few weeks ago it seemed incredible that Hamas might remain in power in Gaza, given Israel’s fury over the satanic events of October 7. Now that appears like a real possibility.

    If Israel’s offensive is suspended indefinitely, if events dwindle into a prolonged hostage for prisoner exchange in which potentially thousands of Palestinian criminals and terrorists are let go, and if Hamas (or essentially the same elements under a different name) remains in control of Gaza, it will be a searing defeat for Israel and a diabolical triumph for Hamas. The sneak attack of October 7 will have proved a rousing success, and more attacks and more taking of hostages will be virtually guaranteed. Worse, if Israel fails to stand up for its absolute right to defend itself, it may compromise its ultimate ability to fight for its own survival as attacks by its Islamic enemies and the Left intensify.

    Perhaps this reading of the situation is too pessimistic. Maybe the current truce will be short-lived, and Israel will get back to the business of defeating–no, destroying–its mortal enemy. I sincerely hope so. But at the moment, I do not like the direction in which events are moving.

    Query: how do we have the right to tell a sovereign nation it cannot defend itself?

     

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  20. Miffed White Male Member
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    Jim George (View Comment):

     

    POSTED ON NOVEMBER 28, 2023 BY JOHN HINDERAKER IN ARAB ISRAEL CONFLICT, HAMAS, ISRAEL

    A MISGUIDED TRUCE

    Several weeks ago, anti-Semitic demonstrations broke out around the world, calling for the destruction of Israel and for a cease fire between Israel and Gaza–i.e., an end to Israel’s counter-offensive. The demonstrators got their wish, and so far, the cease fire is playing out as I had feared. Israel’s military momentum is gone, and Israel has lost control over the situation. All focus now is on the hostage/prisoner exchanges. That puts Hamas in the driver’s seat, and the terrorist regime likely can drag out the cease fire almost indefinitely by dribbling out hostages a few at a time. Having gone down this path, it is hard to see a basis on which Israel’s government can withdraw from the process. So, despite brave assurances from some Israeli officials that the offensive will resume as soon as a brief truce is over, that eventuality is starting to look remote.

    Meanwhile, U.S. support for Israel is draining away. Joe Biden is leaning on Israel’s government not to resume its offensive and to be more sensitive to civilian casualties–a suggestion that ought better be addressed to Hamas. Congressional Democrats are talking about conditioning ongoing aid to Israel on that country’s obeying international law. Which, of course, it does, but the intent is clear.

    A few weeks ago it seemed incredible that Hamas might remain in power in Gaza, given Israel’s fury over the satanic events of October 7. Now that appears like a real possibility.

    If Israel’s offensive is suspended indefinitely, if events dwindle into a prolonged hostage for prisoner exchange in which potentially thousands of Palestinian criminals and terrorists are let go, and if Hamas (or essentially the same elements under a different name) remains in control of Gaza, it will be a searing defeat for Israel and a diabolical triumph for Hamas. The sneak attack of October 7 will have proved a rousing success, and more attacks and more taking of hostages will be virtually guaranteed. Worse, if Israel fails to stand up for its absolute right to defend itself, it may compromise its ultimate ability to fight for its own survival as attacks by its Islamic enemies and the Left intensify.

    Perhaps this reading of the situation is too pessimistic. Maybe the current truce will be short-lived, and Israel will get back to the business of defeating–no, destroying–its mortal enemy. I sincerely hope so. But at the moment, I do not like the direction in which events are moving.

    Query: how do we have the right to tell a sovereign nation it cannot defend itself?

     

    Israel screwed themselves when  they agreed to partial hostage swaps.  Should have been all hostages at once or no deal, and continue the offensive.

     

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  21. Globalitarian Lower Order Misanthropist Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Jim George (View Comment):

    @ flicker

    etc.

    It appears those rooting for the butchers of Hamas are getting exactly what they wanted according to a piece in Powerline by John Hinderaker with which I agree completely. It is here

    It is short so here it is:

    Perhaps this reading of the situation is too pessimistic. Maybe the current truce will be short-lived, and Israel will get back to the business of defeating–no, destroying–its mortal enemy. I sincerely hope so. But at the moment, I do not like the direction in which events are moving.

    Query: how do we have the right to tell a sovereign nation it cannot defend itself?

    I agree with everything in your quoted article.

    I don’t know who you mean by “we” except perhaps “the US.”  I have been pointing out since 10/8 that the US is not Israel’s friend in this.  I don’t want to keep banging a drum.  I may be glib, but that’s the only way I know how to respond to an egregious and angering situation, in Israel/”Palestine” and in the western world.  I watch with profound dismay.  I have a view of things, but it is too hard for people to take.  The Jews are God’s Chosen People.

    People are trying to explain why the Jews, and now Israel, have always been persecuted.  My view is a Biblical one; and a prophetic one, written 2,500 years ago.  There will be no peace.  And whatever Israel does, the world will not countenance it.  Ultimately I’m afraid it gets much worse before it finally gets better.

    In the mean time, Hamas delenda est.

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  22. TBA Coolidge
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    @RobtGilsdorf

    Jim George (View Comment):

     

    @ RobtGilsdorf

    It appears those rooting for the butchers of Hamas are getting exactly what they wanted according to a piece in Powerline by John Hinderaker with which I agree completely. It is here

     

    A MISGUIDED TRUCE

    Several weeks ago, anti-Semitic demonstrations broke out around the world, calling for the destruction of Israel and for a cease fire between Israel and Gaza–i.e., an end to Israel’s counter-offensive. The demonstrators got their wish, and so far, the cease fire is playing out as I had feared. Israel’s military momentum is gone, and Israel has lost control over the situation. All focus now is on the hostage/prisoner exchanges. That puts Hamas in the driver’s seat, and the terrorist regime likely can drag out the cease fire almost indefinitely by dribbling out hostages a few at a time. Having gone down this path, it is hard to see a basis on which Israel’s government can withdraw from the process. So, despite brave assurances from some Israeli officials that the offensive will resume as soon as a brief truce is over, that eventuality is starting to look remote.

    Meanwhile, U.S. support for Israel is draining away. Joe Biden is leaning on Israel’s government not to resume its offensive and to be more sensitive to civilian casualties–a suggestion that ought better be addressed to Hamas. Congressional Democrats are talking about conditioning ongoing aid to Israel on that country’s obeying international law. Which, of course, it does, but the intent is clear.

    A few weeks ago it seemed incredible that Hamas might remain in power in Gaza, given Israel’s fury over the satanic events of October 7. Now that appears like a real possibility.

    If Israel’s offensive is suspended indefinitely, if events dwindle into a prolonged hostage for prisoner exchange in which potentially thousands of Palestinian criminals and terrorists are let go, and if Hamas (or essentially the same elements under a different name) remains in control of Gaza, it will be a searing defeat for Israel and a diabolical triumph for Hamas. The sneak attack of October 7 will have proved a rousing success, and more attacks and more taking of hostages will be virtually guaranteed. Worse, if Israel fails to stand up for its absolute right to defend itself, it may compromise its ultimate ability to fight for its own survival as attacks by its Islamic enemies and the Left intensify.

    Perhaps this reading of the situation is too pessimistic. Maybe the current truce will be short-lived, and Israel will get back to the business of defeating–no, destroying–its mortal enemy. I sincerely hope so. But at the moment, I do not like the direction in which events are moving.

    Query: how do we have the right to tell a sovereign nation it cannot defend itself?

    Answer: Not really. I mean we can ask, but if I were Israel I would ignore it through quality diplomacy. 

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  23. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    Are hostages still being released? As long as Hamas is giving at the agreed-upon rate, this might be the best that can be hoped for. 

    Yes, it gives Hamas time to catch their breath, yes it costs Israel momentum (though they are also in a position to reload, regroup, reposition, and other re- stuff that I will leave to the more military among us). 

    Israel wants it’s women and children back and this is how they do. Other than this, they have to blow them up when they blow up Hamas. 

    I don’t know what the best answer is. My gut tells me it is to press and suffer the loss of women and children. I don’t know if Israel has that in them to do. We don’t, obviously. 

    But I don’t have to come up with the best answer because I’m not in charge of my own government, much less Israel’s. 

    Hamas delenda est.  

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    One thing for sure, Israel has to do whatever it takes to make sure Hamas doesn’t take MORE hostages to use in trades.

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  25. Jim George Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Are hostages still being released? As long as Hamas is giving at the agreed-upon rate, this might be the best that can be hoped for.

    Yes, it gives Hamas time to catch their breath, yes it costs Israel momentum (though they are also in a position to reload, regroup, reposition, and other re- stuff that I will leave to the more military among us).

    Israel wants it’s women and children back and this is how they do. Other than this, they have to blow them up when they blow up Hamas.

    I don’t know what the best answer is. My gut tells me it is to press and suffer the loss of women and children. I don’t know if Israel has that in them to do. We don’t, obviously.

    But I don’t have to come up with the best answer because I’m not in charge of my own government, much less Israel’s.

    Hamas delenda est.

    A spot on descripton of the way many of us feel in this impossible, untenable, unsolvable, nightmarish scenario in which there are really no answers, only deep rooted feelings of the kind I expressed in the OP. Those expressions aside, I do confess that this is  a situation so surreal it is maddening. I have no idea what the answser is, but I do know we have no business dictating to another soverign nation what it can and cannot do to defend its very existence. I do know that much and I also know that it was Obama’s, first, and now Biden’s hatred of Jews and deep seated anti-Semitism and pussilanimous obsession to “go along” with animals who have no conception of the sacredness of human life which have gotten this, and us, and Israel to this impossible moment. 

    Having said all that, part of my deep rooted feeling about this situation is based on this abiding conviction: if those mad dogs had taken my twin granddaughters hostage I very likely would just go ahead and commit suicide and go into the Gaza strip and start mowing people down with every piece of firearm I could lay my hands on. Perhaps that’s what distinguishes me from Biden, a man with so little humanity he had to be forced to aknowledge his own beautiful little granddaughter. Truly an alternative universe. 

    And never the twain shall meet. 

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  26. Jim George Member
    Jim George
    @JimGeorge

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  27. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
    DaveSchmidt
    @DaveSchmidt

    Jim George (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Are hostages still being released? As long as Hamas is giving at the agreed-upon rate, this might be the best that can be hoped for.

    Yes, it gives Hamas time to catch their breath, yes it costs Israel momentum (though they are also in a position to reload, regroup, reposition, and other re- stuff that I will leave to the more military among us).

    Israel wants it’s women and children back and this is how they do. Other than this, they have to blow them up when they blow up Hamas.

    I don’t know what the best answer is. My gut tells me it is to press and suffer the loss of women and children. I don’t know if Israel has that in them to do. We don’t, obviously.

    But I don’t have to come up with the best answer because I’m not in charge of my own government, much less Israel’s.

    Hamas delenda est.

    A spot on descripton of the way many of us feel in this impossible, untenable, unsolvable, nightmarish scenario in which there are really no answers, only deep rooted feelings of the kind I expressed in the OP. Those expressions aside, I do confess that this is a situation so surreal it is maddening. I have no idea what the answser is, but I do know we have no business dictating to another soverign nation what it can and cannot do to defend its very existence. I do know that much and I also know that it was Obama’s, first, and now Biden’s hatred of Jews and deep seated anti-Semitism and pussilanimous obsession to “go along” with animals who have no conception of the sacredness of human life which have gotten this, and us, and Israel to this impossible moment.

    Having said all that, part of my deep rooted feeling about this situation is based on this abiding conviction: if those mad dogs had taken my twin granddaughters hostage I very likely would just go ahead and commit suicide and go into the Gaza strip and start mowing people down with every piece of firearm I could lay my hands on. Perhaps that’s what distinguishes me from Biden, a man with so little humanity he had to be forced to aknowledge his own beautiful little granddaughter. Truly an alternative universe.

    And never the twain shall meet.

    My hunch is that the IDF will suffer 100-150 extra fatalities as a result of the “humanitarian” ceasefire. 

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  28. Jim George Member
    Jim George
    @JimGeorge

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):
    My hunch is that the IDF will suffer 100-150 extra fatalities as a result of the “humanitarian” ceasefire. 

    May well be a very conservative estimate. 

    Perhaps I should suggest an amendment to Cato’s phrase to indicate someone else delenda est  but would prefer not to spend my remaining years in the DC Gulag. 

    The present occupants defiling and soiling the White House have truly created a horrible, heart rending tragedy. I find it impossible to even get close to understanding the level of hate those [           ]s feel toward the Jews. All consuming. 

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  29. TBA Coolidge
    TBA
    @RobtGilsdorf

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Jim George (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Are hostages still being released? As long as Hamas is giving at the agreed-upon rate, this might be the best that can be hoped for.

    Yes, it gives Hamas time to catch their breath, yes it costs Israel momentum (though they are also in a position to reload, regroup, reposition, and other re- stuff that I will leave to the more military among us).

    Israel wants it’s women and children back and this is how they do. Other than this, they have to blow them up when they blow up Hamas.

    I don’t know what the best answer is. My gut tells me it is to press and suffer the loss of women and children. I don’t know if Israel has that in them to do. We don’t, obviously.

    But I don’t have to come up with the best answer because I’m not in charge of my own government, much less Israel’s.

    Hamas delenda est.

    A spot on descripton of the way many of us feel in this impossible, untenable, unsolvable, nightmarish scenario in which there are really no answers, only deep rooted feelings of the kind I expressed in the OP. Those expressions aside, I do confess that this is a situation so surreal it is maddening. I have no idea what the answser is, but I do know we have no business dictating to another soverign nation what it can and cannot do to defend its very existence. I do know that much and I also know that it was Obama’s, first, and now Biden’s hatred of Jews and deep seated anti-Semitism and pussilanimous obsession to “go along” with animals who have no conception of the sacredness of human life which have gotten this, and us, and Israel to this impossible moment.

    Having said all that, part of my deep rooted feeling about this situation is based on this abiding conviction: if those mad dogs had taken my twin granddaughters hostage I very likely would just go ahead and commit suicide and go into the Gaza strip and start mowing people down with every piece of firearm I could lay my hands on. Perhaps that’s what distinguishes me from Biden, a man with so little humanity he had to be forced to aknowledge his own beautiful little granddaughter. Truly an alternative universe.

    And never the twain shall meet.

    My hunch is that the IDF will suffer 100-150 extra fatalities as a result of the “humanitarian” ceasefire.

    I don’t mean this to sound bloodless, but trading soldier lives for civilian lives is part of the story of militaries. 

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    TBA (View Comment):
    I don’t mean this to sound bloodless, but trading soldier lives for civilian lives is part of the story of militaries. 

    That’s also true for police, although there seems to have been a shift to where police lives are claimed to be more important than anything else, including the lives of children.  (e.g., Uvalde.)

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