Sudden Death and the Evaluation of Risk

 

My wife’s father died suddenly a few weeks ago.  He was 83, in robust good health.  His mind was as sharp as ever. Physically, he was in better shape than when I first met him, then in his mid-40s.

When he retired ~25 years ago, he made a conscious effort to take off extra weight that had accumulated over the years, and had been diligent about keeping it off. He was extremely active in his parish church, had walked at least two miles/day, and when not visiting grandchildren in far-off places, had worked in the extensive gardens at his house for hours every day.

At least as of a few years ago, he was still painting the exterior of his two-story house on a regular schedule, climbing ladders and contorting into positions to get the job done that gave his wife palpitations. He came from hardy Irish/German farming stock in Western Maryland.  His father and two of his four siblings lived into their 90s, and up until about a month ago, we saw no reason he would not do the same.

What changed?

One Saturday, he did some chores and mowed the lawn—normal Saturday. Sunday morning at Mass, he felt faint and weak.  He went to the hospital, was misdiagnosed with a minor infection and was sent home. He kept feeling worse and returned to the hospital later that day, and was admitted. Within a day or so, his blood was attacking itself and multiple internal organs were shutting down. The staff were giving him blood transfusions, and getting ready to start him on dialysis. By Thursday morning, he was dead.

Less than five days from feeling fine to gone.

Here’s what’s important to know: Three days before feeling faint, he had received a COVID booster shot. One of my wife’s sisters is a doctor and one is a physician’s assistant, and they both believe the booster shot triggered the events that led to his death. They are not anti-vaxxers. They were both very pro-vaccination during the 2021 vaccine debates, and I think they still believe the vaccinations were a net positive.

A possibly related story: the day after my father-in-law’s funeral, as we were making the more than 800-mile drive home, my wife’s phone lit up with a text stream about a woman she works with. The woman in question was in her late 50s and had an underlying heart condition. She had gone to the cardiologist a month or so prior and everything checked out great.

The day of my father-in-law’s funeral, she went to the hospital with congestive heart failure. Two days before that, she had received a COVID booster. No one at the largest hospital in the second largest city in the southeast US asked anything about her COVID vaccination/booster status. Within a week of entering the hospital, she also died.

The sudden deterioration in health could be coincidental timing in one or both cases. Or, there could be something seriously bad going on.

How will we ever know? Apparently, hospitals aren’t even curious about the possible connection between COVID boosters and negative health outcomes.

When the vaccine was being deployed, governments and pharmaceutical companies were aligned in wanting to motivate the population to get vaccinated. The distinction between “dying with COVID” and “dying from COVID” was blurred or obliterated. For a long time, anyone who tested positive for COVID and had died for any reason was counted in the “died of COVID” statistics.

Where is the daily ticker on people dying suddenly after receiving the COVID boosters?  Governments and pharmaceutical companies are not incentivized to publicize this information—or even to look into it any deeper. I don’t think there will be a ticker. There will be anecdotes. Many anecdotes become data, if looked at in the right way.

Whatever your views of COVID vaccines at the time they were first introduced, please think about what level of risk the current strains of COVID pose to most people. (To me, it seems minimal. You may see it differently or may have different risk factors. That’s OK.)

Then think about what level of risk may be posed by continuing the COVID vaccination and frequent booster regime that is still promoted by our government, and pushed by many companies on their employees.

I’m not telling you what to do. I’m just sharing some anecdotes.

I will add this: If you or someone you love gets a COVID vaccine or booster and shortly thereafter falls ill, take it seriously. If he goes to the hospital, make sure the health providers know he was recently vaxxed or boosted. There may be no treatment available to save him, but knowledge could at least shut down some diagnostic dead ends and limit the additional suffering caused by unnecessary procedures.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Terence Smith (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    EB (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    The stories surrounding the “Suddenly Died” events are not simply tragic, but statistically overwhelming.

    No, Carol Joy, they are not “statistically overwhelming.” Because there are NO actual statistics, just anecdotes.

    We can all discuss why there are no studies to produce the needed statistics – lack of interest, lack of will, fell intent, etc., etc. But the fact remains that there are no reliable statistics on these events.

    @ caroljoy

    https://johnmandrola.substack.com/p/sudden-cardiac-death-in-college-athletes?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=314127&post_id=138989877&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=9bg2k&utm_medium=email

     

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna124209

    Thanks, @ mimac

    This study showed that the rate of cardiac arrests in young male athletes has declined, including the years of COVID vaccine.

    The author at the first link stated, (emphasis mine)

    “What I took from this study is to remain vigilant about making causal connections without proper data. Gosh, it seemed like a lot of media reports…….the lack of any signal of increased sudden cardiac death among NCAA athletes is reassuring. It argues against the idea that mRNA vaccines was causing excess cardiac deaths in young athletes……….. this study again confirms that anecdotes don’t always sum to evidence. And it is wise to make note of how easy it is for our brains to find causal connections.”

     

    Seems like a good statistician and researcher could mine the DOD health database and shed some light on this. Over a million mostly young active duty personnel sharing a common health record keeping system. Compare the months before covid with the covid months pre vaccine and the post vaccine rollout months (making all the needed detail adjustments). Look for things like myocardititis, sudden death and whatever else is attributed to the vaccine. My guess it would show the vaccine had a modest negative impact on that younger cohort. Maybe its been done and for whatever reason we don’t know about it.

    Unless the post-vaccine-rollout data was compromised for political reasons.

     

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  2. Annefy Inactive
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    For whatever reason, the data is not being collected. 

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  3. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Was the Nobel Prize based on erroneous research?

    https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/not-14m-lives-saved-but-over-17m

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  4. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I took the first two doses of the Pfizer Covid vaccination when they first came out, I think three months apart (or was it six, I don’t remember). One week after my second dose, I developed a severe headache on ten consecutive days. For some people that might not be unusual, but previous to that I rarely had headaches in my entire life. It might happen perhaps once in a year or every two years. Following that ten-day episode, I began getting regular severe headaches every two or three days for the entire next year. Luckily for me, Ibuprofin clears them up right away. After that year it has been slowly going away to where I now get the headaches every two or three weeks and they are usually lessened in severity when I do get them, requiring a smaller dose of Ibuprofin to eradicate.

    I had a regular physical checkup with my doctor after the first year of headaches, but he did not conjecture any causal relationship to the vaccine, and besides, it wasn’t a big problem any more by the time I got to see him. I have no idea if they are connected to the Covid vaccine or not. I did report my headaches to to some government database for vaccine side-effects but I have never heard of anybody else reacting to the vaccine that way.

    Serious headaches are commonly reported among the group that goes on to have brain bleeds or stokes after the vaccines. Usually this happens within a short time after a serious headache.

    Luckily with your now having fewer of the headaches and now with them being less severe, your system may have cleared itself up.

    If you have concerns, you can go to a doctor and ask for a d-diemer test. Prior to COVID vaccines, this test was used to determine if a blood clot had been dissolved in one’s system. Now it is used to see if a clotting disorder has come about, as well as the original purpose of discovery of a dissolved clot. (Peter McCullough MD has discussed this at length.)

    Should the test prove you may have some risk, there are remedies that are available  for the situation.

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  5. Steven Seward Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I took the first two doses of the Pfizer Covid vaccination when they first came out, I think three months apart (or was it six, I don’t remember). One week after my second dose, I developed a severe headache on ten consecutive days. For some people that might not be unusual, but previous to that I rarely had headaches in my entire life. It might happen perhaps once in a year or every two years. Following that ten-day episode, I began getting regular severe headaches every two or three days for the entire next year. Luckily for me, Ibuprofin clears them up right away. After that year it has been slowly going away to where I now get the headaches every two or three weeks and they are usually lessened in severity when I do get them, requiring a smaller dose of Ibuprofin to eradicate.

    I had a regular physical checkup with my doctor after the first year of headaches, but he did not conjecture any causal relationship to the vaccine, and besides, it wasn’t a big problem any more by the time I got to see him. I have no idea if they are connected to the Covid vaccine or not. I did report my headaches to to some government database for vaccine side-effects but I have never heard of anybody else reacting to the vaccine that way.

    Serious headaches are commonly reported among the group that goes on to have brain bleeds or stokes after the vaccines. Usually this happens within a short time after a serious headache.

    Luckily with your now having fewer of the headaches and now with them being less severe, your system may have cleared itself up.

    If you have concerns, you can go to a doctor and ask for a d-diemer test. Prior to COVID vaccines, this test was used to determine if a blood clot had been dissolved in one’s system. Now it is used to see if a clotting disorder has come about, as well as the original purpose of discovery of a dissolved clot. (Peter McCullough MD has discussed this at length.)

    Should the test prove you may have some risk, there are remedies that are available for the situation.

    Thanks for the tip!

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  6. MiMac Thatcher
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I took the first two doses of the Pfizer Covid vaccination when they first came out, I think three months apart (or was it six, I don’t remember). One week after my second dose, I developed a severe headache on ten consecutive days. For some people that might not be unusual, but previous to that I rarely had headaches in my entire life. It might happen perhaps once in a year or every two years. Following that ten-day episode, I began getting regular severe headaches every two or three days for the entire next year. Luckily for me, Ibuprofin clears them up right away. After that year it has been slowly going away to where I now get the headaches every two or three weeks and they are usually lessened in severity when I do get them, requiring a smaller dose of Ibuprofin to eradicate.

    I had a regular physical checkup with my doctor after the first year of headaches, but he did not conjecture any causal relationship to the vaccine, and besides, it wasn’t a big problem any more by the time I got to see him. I have no idea if they are connected to the Covid vaccine or not. I did report my headaches to to some government database for vaccine side-effects but I have never heard of anybody else reacting to the vaccine that way.

    Serious headaches are commonly reported among the group that goes on to have brain bleeds or stokes after the vaccines. Usually this happens within a short time after a serious headache.

    Luckily with your now having fewer of the headaches and now with them being less severe, your system may have cleared itself up.

    If you have concerns, you can go to a doctor and ask for a d-diemer test. Prior to COVID vaccines, this test was used to determine if a blood clot had been dissolved in one’s system. Now it is used to see if a clotting disorder has come about, as well as the original purpose of discovery of a dissolved clot. (Peter McCullough MD has discussed this at length.)

    Should the test prove you may have some risk, there are remedies that are available for the situation.

    Thanks for the tip!

    The D dimer test has a very low  specificity and isn’t used to diagnose that a clotting problem is secondary to the Covid vax.

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  7. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    I took the first two doses of the Pfizer Covid vaccination when they first came out, I think three months apart (or was it six, I don’t remember). One week after my second dose, I developed a severe headache on ten consecutive days. For some people that might not be unusual, but previous to that I rarely had headaches in my entire life. It might happen perhaps once in a year or every two years. SNIP Luckily for me, Ibuprofin clears them up right away. After that year it has been slowly going away to where I now get the headaches every two or three weeks and they are usually lessened in severity when I do get them, requiring a smaller dose of Ibuprofin to eradicate.

    I had a regular physical checkup with my doctor after the first year of headaches, but he did not conjecture any causal relationship to the vaccine, and besides, it wasn’t a big problem any more SNIP  I have no idea if they are connected to the Covid vaccine or not. I did report my headaches to to some government database for vaccine side-effects but I have never heard of anybody else reacting to the vaccine that way.

    Serious headaches are commonly reported among the group that goes on to have brain bleeds or stokes after the vaccines. Usually this happens within a short time after a serious headache.

    Luckily with your now having fewer of the headaches and now with them being less severe, your system may have cleared itself up.

    If you have concerns, you can go to a doctor and ask for a d-diemer test. Prior to COVID vaccines, this test was used to determine if a blood clot had been dissolved in one’s system. Now it is used to see if a clotting disorder has come about, as well as the original purpose of discovery of a dissolved clot. (Peter McCullough MD has discussed this at length.)

    Should the test prove you may have some risk, there are remedies that are available for the situation.

    Thanks for the tip!

    The D dimer test has a very low specificity and isn’t used to diagnose that a clotting problem is secondary to the Covid vax.

    That is what you believe, but Peter McCullough MD has stated otherwise.

    Right now, it is the only way to know if your body is reacting to the COV vaccine by producing infinitesimally tiny clots, in such great numbers that whatever organ or limb they are in will fail. The condition is why people have limbs amputated, if the condition is not recognized before it cascades.

    On edit, here is a citation most likely based on McCullough and others’ recommendations, regarding micro blood disturbances: https://stateofthenation.co/?p=91311

    I think McCullough also recs it to   determine if myo is occurring.

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The D dimer test has a very low specificity and isn’t used to diagnose that a clotting problem is secondary to the Covid vax.

    That is what you believe, but Peter McCullough MD has stated otherwise.

    Or you could say, “That is what you state, but Peter McCullough MD believes otherwise.” 

    Your cited article doesn’t say anything that contradicts what MiMac stated.   In fact, it seems to support what he said.  

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  9. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The D dimer test has a very low specificity and isn’t used to diagnose that a clotting problem is secondary to the Covid vax.

    That is what you believe, but Peter McCullough MD has stated otherwise.

    Or you could say, “That is what you state, but Peter McCullough MD believes otherwise.”

    Your cited article doesn’t say anything that contradicts what MiMac stated. In fact, it seems to support what he said.

    I think this interview below  is the one where McCullough does recommend the d-diemer tests for anyone concerned with the prospects that they might be harboring microscopic  blood clots.

    Now this is a new use for d-diemer, as traditionally what the test determined was if an individual had experienced a blood clot that had already started the process od dissolving.

    The only thing that is discussed is COVID, its after effects, and the vaccines for COVID, plus the tragic after effects of having the injections. Like McCullough says “I have never seen it in my career” when stating that people who’d been his patients died within two days after the injections.

    BTW to hear the remarks McCullough makes about the d-diemer test, you can skip to the 10min 52 second mark. It is only a minute or so of his talking about Dr Hoffe, of Canada and his letting McCullough know about d-diemer and why it is an essential item to use for specific patients.

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dr-peter-mccullough-urgent-warning-about-poisonous-jabs/

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  10. MiMac Thatcher
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The D dimer test has a very low specificity and isn’t used to diagnose that a clotting problem is secondary to the Covid vax.

    That is what you believe, but Peter McCullough MD has stated otherwise.

    Or you could say, “That is what you state, but Peter McCullough MD believes otherwise.”

    Your cited article doesn’t say anything that contradicts what MiMac stated. In fact, it seems to support what he said.

    I think this interview below is the one where McCullough does recommend the d-diemer tests for anyone concerned with the prospects that they might be harboring microscopic blood clots.

    Now this is a new use for d-diemer, as traditionally what the test determined was if an individual had experienced a blood clot that had already started the process od dissolving.

    The only thing that is discussed is COVID, its after effects, and the vaccines for COVID, plus the tragic after effects of having the injections. Like McCullough says “I have never seen it in my career” when stating that people who’d been his patients died within two days after the injections.

    BTW to hear the remarks McCullough makes about the d-diemer test, you can skip to the 10min 52 second mark. It is only a minute or so of his talking about Dr Hoffe, of Canada and his letting McCullough know about d-diemer and why it is an essential item to use for specific patients.

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dr-peter-mccullough-urgent-warning-about-poisonous-jabs/

    a non-specific test can’t establish the diagnosis- it can only alert you to the possibility or add to the level of suspicion that a disease is present. The d dimer test can not diagnose that the problem is a COVID vax reaction/side effect-blood clots have many causes (and the d dimer can be elevate for many reasons besides blood clots). A elevated d dimer isn’t used to diagnosis anything- further test are required. Dr McC can try to claim that all he wants- but he is blowing smoke.

    causes of elevated d dimer (NB the list is quite large & represent a large fraction of the population):

    -pulmonary embolism

    -deep vein thrombosis

    -DIC/fibrinolysis

    -stroke

    -pregnancy

    -cancers

    smoking

    -infections

    -obesity (luckily only >40% of Americans are obese)

    -autoimmunhe problems

    older age

    -immobilizatiomn (ie being in a hospital)

    -COVID

    -recent surgery

    -birth control pills

    -coronary artery disease

    -cirhosis

    -women and African-americans have higher levels..

    • the list is not exhaustive-but you get the idea…..
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  11. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The D dimer test has a very low specificity and isn’t used to diagnose that a clotting problem is secondary to the Covid vax.

    That is what you believe, but Peter McCullough MD has stated otherwise.

    Or you could say, “That is what you state, but Peter McCullough MD believes otherwise.”

    Your cited article doesn’t say anything that contradicts what MiMac stated. In fact, it seems to support what he said.

    I think this interview below is the one where McCullough does recommend the d-diemer tests for anyone concerned with the prospects that they might be harboring microscopic blood clots.

    Now this is a new use for d-diemer, as traditionally what the test determined was if an individual had experienced a blood clot that had already started the process of dissolving.

    The only thing that is discussed is COVID, its after effects, and the vaccines for COVID, plus the tragic after effects of having the injections. Like McCullough says “I have never seen it in my career” when stating that people who’d been his patients died within two days after the injections.

    BTW to hear the remarks McCullough makes about the d-diemer test, you can skip to the 10min 52 second mark. It is only a minute or so of his talking about Dr Hoffe, of Canada and his letting McCullough know about d-diemer and why it is an essential item to use for specific patients.

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dr-peter-mccullough-urgent-warning-about-poisonous-jabs/

    a non-specific test can’t establish the diagnosis- it can only alert you to the possibility or add to the level of suspicion that a disease is present. The d dimer test can not diagnose that the problem is a COVID vax reaction/side effect-blood clots have many causes (and the d dimer can be elevate for many reasons besides blood clots). A elevated d dimer isn’t used to diagnosis anything- further test are required. Dr McC can try to claim that all he wants- but he is blowing smoke.

    causes of elevated d dimer (NB the list is quite large & represent a large fraction of the population):

    -pulmonary embolism

    -deep vein thrombosis

    -DIC/fibrinolysis

    -stroke

    SNIP

    SNIP

    -autoimmunhe problems

    older age

    -immobilizatiomn (ie being in a hospital)

    -COVID

    SNIP

    -coronary artery disease

    SNIP

    -women and African-americans have higher levels..

    • the list is not exhaustive-but you get the idea…..

    It’s  shame you didn’t bother to listen to Dr McCullough in the video that I found.

    If you had, you’d be aware how right now it’s the only test that can ascertain the presence of microscopic blood clots resulting from the COV vaccine. (How do we know these types of clots are from this specific vaccine? Because until Jan 2021, they simply were not in existence.)

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  12. MiMac Thatcher
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    The D dimer test has a very low specificity and isn’t used to diagnose that a clotting problem is secondary to the Covid vax.

    That is what you believe, but Peter McCullough MD has stated otherwise.

    Or you could say, “That is what you state, but Peter McCullough MD believes otherwise.”

    Your cited article doesn’t say anything that contradicts what MiMac stated. In fact, it seems to support what he said.

    I think this interview below is the one where McCullough does recommend the d-diemer tests for anyone concerned with the prospects that they might be harboring microscopic blood clots.

    Now this is a new use for d-diemer, as traditionally what the test determined was if an individual had experienced a blood clot that had already started the process of dissolving.

    The only thing that is discussed is COVID, its after effects, and the vaccines for COVID, plus the tragic after effects of having the injections. Like McCullough says “I have never seen it in my career” when stating that people who’d been his patients died within two days after the injections.

    BTW to hear the remarks McCullough makes about the d-diemer test, you can skip to the 10min 52 second mark. It is only a minute or so of his talking about Dr Hoffe, of Canada and his letting McCullough know about d-diemer and why it is an essential item to use for specific patients.

    https://forbiddenknowledgetv.net/dr-peter-mccullough-urgent-warning-about-poisonous-jabs/

    a non-specific test can’t establish the diagnosis- it can only alert you to the possibility or add to the level of suspicion that a disease is present. The d dimer test can not diagnose that the problem is a COVID vax reaction/side effect-blood clots have many causes (and the d dimer can be elevate for many reasons besides blood clots). A elevated d dimer isn’t used to diagnosis anything- further test are required. Dr McC can try to claim that all he wants- but he is blowing smoke.

    causes of elevated d dimer (NB the list is quite large & represent a large fraction of the population):

    -pulmonary embolism

    -deep vein thrombosis

    -DIC/fibrinolysis

    -stroke

    SNIP

    SNIP

    -autoimmunhe problems

    older age

    -immobilizatiomn (ie being in a hospital)

    -COVID

    SNIP

    -coronary artery disease

    SNIP

    -women and African-americans have higher levels..

    • the list is not exhaustive-but you get the idea…..

    It’s shame you didn’t bother to listen to Dr McCullough in the video that I found.

    If you had, you’d be aware how right now it’s the only test that can ascertain the presence of microscopic blood clots resulting from the COV vaccine. (How do we know these types of clots are from this specific vaccine? Because until Jan 2021, they simply were not in existence.)

    Nonsense. The test doesn’t “ascertain” anything. It is too nonspecific

    No microscope blood clots in existence before Jan 2021?- what do you suppose DIC and hyperfibrinolysis are about? There is a problem known as sepsis- it causes 350K deaths/year (17 million cases/year) and they frequently have microscopic blood clots-news flash it ain’t a new problem.

    d dimer isn’t specific for microscopic blood clots…..and certainly not for such clots from any vax…

    from the list I provided of the numerous reasons for an elevated d dimer level, it is clear that an elevated d dimer level can not “diagnose” microscopic blood clots caused by any specific cause-it can only add to the clinical suspicion. To prove it is from any cause you not only need to confirm the microscopic clots, but also exclude all the other causes. The d dimer test by itself is of limited usefulness and isn’t diagnostic for any disease.

     

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Nonsense. The test doesn’t “ascertain” anything. It is too nonspecific

    No microscope blood clots in existence before Jan 2021?- what do you suppose DIC and hyperfibrinolysis are about? There is a problem known as sepsis- it causes 350K deaths/year (17 million cases/year) and they frequently have microscopic blood clots-news flash it ain’t a new problem.

    d dimer isn’t specific for microscopic blood clots…..and certainly not for such clots from any vax…

    from the list I provided of the numerous reasons for an elevated d dimer level, it is clear that an elevated d dimer level can not “diagnose” microscopic blood clots caused by any specific cause-it can only add to the clinical suspicion. To prove it is from any cause you not only need to confirm the microscopic clots, but also exclude all the other causes. The d dimer test by itself is of limited usefulness and isn’t diagnostic for any disease.

     

    That sounds like it shares a lot with taking someone’s temperature.  If it’s significantly above normal, you know there’s a problem, even if you don’t know exactly what the problem is yet.  But it gets you started, and that’s important.

    • #43
  14. MiMac Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Nonsense. The test doesn’t “ascertain” anything. It is too nonspecific

    No microscope blood clots in existence before Jan 2021?- what do you suppose DIC and hyperfibrinolysis are about? There is a problem known as sepsis- it causes 350K deaths/year (17 million cases/year) and they frequently have microscopic blood clots-news flash it ain’t a new problem.

    d dimer isn’t specific for microscopic blood clots…..and certainly not for such clots from any vax…

    from the list I provided of the numerous reasons for an elevated d dimer level, it is clear that an elevated d dimer level can not “diagnose” microscopic blood clots caused by any specific cause-it can only add to the clinical suspicion. To prove it is from any cause you not only need to confirm the microscopic clots, but also exclude all the other causes. The d dimer test by itself is of limited usefulness and isn’t diagnostic for any disease.

     

    That sounds like it shares a lot with taking someone’s temperature. If it’s significantly above normal, you know there’s a problem, even if you don’t know exactly what the problem is yet. But it gets you started, and that’s important.

    It is even less specific than that- no one routinely checks your d dimer level- but they will check your temp in the doctor’s office. No sane MD will include a d dimer level in their routine health screening labs.

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  15. Bob Thompson Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Nonsense. The test doesn’t “ascertain” anything. It is too nonspecific

    No microscope blood clots in existence before Jan 2021?- what do you suppose DIC and hyperfibrinolysis are about? There is a problem known as sepsis- it causes 350K deaths/year (17 million cases/year) and they frequently have microscopic blood clots-news flash it ain’t a new problem.

    d dimer isn’t specific for microscopic blood clots…..and certainly not for such clots from any vax…

    from the list I provided of the numerous reasons for an elevated d dimer level, it is clear that an elevated d dimer level can not “diagnose” microscopic blood clots caused by any specific cause-it can only add to the clinical suspicion. To prove it is from any cause you not only need to confirm the microscopic clots, but also exclude all the other causes. The d dimer test by itself is of limited usefulness and isn’t diagnostic for any disease.

    That sounds like it shares a lot with taking someone’s temperature. If it’s significantly above normal, you know there’s a problem, even if you don’t know exactly what the problem is yet. But it gets you started, and that’s important.

    It is even less specific than that- no one routinely checks your d dimer level- but they will check your temp in the doctor’s office. No sane MD will include a d dimer level in their routine health screening labs.

    Well, they might now!I wonder how the dentist missed my gum cancer three times when something was obviously growing and an MD only needed to look at it to guess what it was.

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  16. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
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    Nonsense. The test doesn’t “ascertain” anything. It is too nonspecific

    No microscope blood clots in existence before Jan 2021?- what do you suppose DIC and hyperfibrinolysis are about? There is a problem known as sepsis- it causes 350K deaths/year (17 million cases/year) and they frequently have microscopic blood clots-news flash it ain’t a new problem.

    d dimer isn’t specific for microscopic blood clots…..and certainly not for such clots from any vax…

    from the list I provided of the numerous reasons for an elevated d dimer level, it is clear that an elevated d dimer level can not “diagnose” microscopic blood clots caused by any specific cause-it can only add to the clinical suspicion. To prove it is from any cause you not only need to confirm the microscopic clots, but also exclude all the other causes. The d dimer test by itself is of limited usefulness and isn’t diagnostic for any disease.

    That sounds like it shares a lot with taking someone’s temperature. If it’s significantly above normal, you know there’s a problem, even if you don’t know exactly what the problem is yet. But it gets you started, and that’s important.

    It is even less specific than that- no one routinely checks your d dimer level- but they will check your temp in the doctor’s office. No sane MD will include a d dimer level in their routine health screening labs.

    Well, they might now!I wonder how the dentist missed my gum cancer three times when something was obviously growing and an MD only needed to look at it to guess what it was.

    What a pisser that your cancer was overlooked!

    I get torn up inside hearing about such things. Your situation is all too common.

    Here in rural America, there has been great pressure for my household  to “join the modern world and move into the realm of tele-health conferencing.”

    I’m like: “They can’t diagnose us properly when we are right there in the dr’s office. How the hell does the situation improve when I am on camera, trying to make out the poor audio that transmits a clearly disinterested physician’s rushed spiel on my need to get statins, flu & Cov vaxxes & the newly released “drug of the month.”??

     

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  17. MiMac Thatcher
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    Nonsense. The test doesn’t “ascertain” anything. It is too nonspecific

    No microscope blood clots in existence before Jan 2021?- what do you suppose DIC and hyperfibrinolysis are about? There is a problem known as sepsis- it causes 350K deaths/year (17 million cases/year) and they frequently have microscopic blood clots-news flash it ain’t a new problem.

    d dimer isn’t specific for microscopic blood clots…..and certainly not for such clots from any vax…

    from the list I provided of the numerous reasons for an elevated d dimer level, it is clear that an elevated d dimer level can not “diagnose” microscopic blood clots caused by any specific cause-it can only add to the clinical suspicion. To prove it is from any cause you not only need to confirm the microscopic clots, but also exclude all the other causes. The d dimer test by itself is of limited usefulness and isn’t diagnostic for any disease.

    That sounds like it shares a lot with taking someone’s temperature. If it’s significantly above normal, you know there’s a problem, even if you don’t know exactly what the problem is yet. But it gets you started, and that’s important.

    It is even less specific than that- no one routinely checks your d dimer level- but they will check your temp in the doctor’s office. No sane MD will include a d dimer level in their routine health screening labs.

    Well, they might now!I wonder how the dentist missed my gum cancer three times when something was obviously growing and an MD only needed to look at it to guess what it was.

    d dimer wouldn’t have helped- there is an old saying in internal medicine- if you don’t know the diagnosis by the end of the history or physical, than order all the lab test you can think of…

    the truth is, lab results typically just confirm the diagnosis of a good physician. For most problems, you know what it is by just talking to the patient. The physical exam picks up problems the patient hasn’t noticed yet or confirms your prior suspicions. Relying on lab work is a fools errand. Of course, CarolJoy would not know that since she isn’t a physician.

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

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    Nonsense. The test doesn’t “ascertain” anything. It is too nonspecific

    No microscope blood clots in existence before Jan 2021?- what do you suppose DIC and hyperfibrinolysis are about? There is a problem known as sepsis- it causes 350K deaths/year (17 million cases/year) and they frequently have microscopic blood clots-news flash it ain’t a new problem.

    d dimer isn’t specific for microscopic blood clots…..and certainly not for such clots from any vax…

    from the list I provided of the numerous reasons for an elevated d dimer level, it is clear that an elevated d dimer level can not “diagnose” microscopic blood clots caused by any specific cause-it can only add to the clinical suspicion. To prove it is from any cause you not only need to confirm the microscopic clots, but also exclude all the other causes. The d dimer test by itself is of limited usefulness and isn’t diagnostic for any disease.

    That sounds like it shares a lot with taking someone’s temperature. If it’s significantly above normal, you know there’s a problem, even if you don’t know exactly what the problem is yet. But it gets you started, and that’s important.

    It is even less specific than that- no one routinely checks your d dimer level- but they will check your temp in the doctor’s office. No sane MD will include a d dimer level in their routine health screening labs.

    Well, they might now!I wonder how the dentist missed my gum cancer three times when something was obviously growing and an MD only needed to look at it to guess what it was.

    What a pisser that your cancer was overlooked!

    I get torn up inside hearing about such things. Your situation is all too common.

    Here in rural America, there has been great pressure for my household to “join the modern world and move into the realm of tele-health conferencing.”

    I’m like: “They can’t diagnose us properly when we are right there in the dr’s office. How the hell does the situation improve when I am on camera, trying to make out the poor audio that transmits a clearly disinterested physician’s rushed spiel on my need to get statins, flu & Cov vaxxes & the newly released “drug of the month.”??

     

    Reminds me of…

     

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