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Ethnic Cleansing in the Middle East
Note that Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and the UAE are not shown, since they expelled their Jews to Yemen before 1948.
Sometimes, a picture helps.
Israel has 1.7 million Muslim citizens; twice as many Muslims live in Israel as the number of Jews expelled from Muslim countries.
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The left and a majority of Arabs don’t care about moral standards. To quote Dune,
“When I am Weaker than You, I ask you for Freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am Stronger than you, I take away your Freedom Because that is according to my principles.”
These stats just cannot be right. I’m sure Jerry will correct them!
A lot of rivers. A lot of seas.
Fascinating. I wonder if you have the stats for India?
The peak Jewish population in India was maybe maybe 50,000, but a lot of that population peak was due to arrivals from the Holocaust, not a large and long-standing population. The Bene Yisrael had been there for a while and there were about 20,000 of them. About 3,500 remain. 83% left. This is more of what you’d expect with the opportunity to move from a dirt poor country to a relatively well-off one (vs. 90%+).
There are few more critical distinguishing factors, though.
First, many continue to travel back to India and maintain relationships and property there. I know, I prayed at an Indian Synagogue for a year and they were constantly moving back and forth.
That just isn’t the case in the Arab world. Jews would occasionally travel to Morocco or Tunisia to visit Jewish sites (off the books, of course). They might also visit Egypt to see the pyramids or Sharm Al Sheikh. But their old relationships had been shattered and their property seized. By and large the Arab world was completely off limits. People still identify as Iraqi, Syrian, Algerian, Libyan or Egyptian or (in the non-Arab case) Persian, but they never traveled back. They had nothing left in those countries. Even Iran, which maintains a population of almost 10,000 Jews has zero Jews going back for friendly visits.
This is one key difference between being expelled and just migrating.
@Arahant Oh for the days when the nation was only $14 trillion in debt.
Amen!
Another great, context-free pro-Israel argument. Great job.
According to Israeli historian Benny Morris, most of the post-1948 Jewish movement from Muslin states to Israel was not the result of expulsions. It did result from harsh treatment.
Many Muslims were upset by Israel’s creation of about 700,000 Palestinian refugees, who were not allowed to return. Many of them, and their descendants, are still imprisoned by Israel in Gaza.
About those Muslim citizens, by the way: Israel has an anti-miscegenation law prohibiting marriage between people of different religions. If a Muslim and a Jew, or a Jew and a Christian, want to get married, they cannot do so in Israel.
Yet Israel, and its supporters, pretend that Israel shares modern Western values. It’s not true.
Do you have a link for the source of that map? I’d like to share it.
Tens of millions of dead Hindus and Buddhists. But you knew that.
So? 2 Cor. 6:14
The history of Muslim oppression and killing of Christians is pretty awful, too. And it’s hard to find Muslims who feel any shame–more the reverse.
See: The Decline of Eastern European Christianity under Islam, by Bat Ye’or.
Sounds like a cover-up.
Wow. A lot of Jews, living freely in non-Jewish states, jumped at the chance to live in the first Jewish state in nearly 2000 years? And this number exceeded the number who were expelled from Muslim states?
Who’d have thought it? Color me gobsmacked.
Relationships among countries and any other human organizations and groups are always complex and hard to read from the outside.
You are doing in paragraphs 2 and 3 that which you accuse iWe of doing in paragraph 1.
The complex “context” you refer to is why the decisions to recognize, support, and honor the sovereignty of Ukraine and Israel by the United Nations, the United States, and the United Kingdom are the only facts that really matter in these conflicts. Those decisions created new center points around which other decisions and actions revolve as long as those decisions remain in force.
Very similar to divorces or peace treaties.
For Ukraine and Israel, the United Nations, the United States, and the United Kingdom heard the cases for and against sovereignty and ruled in favor of sovereignty.
The rest of the world needs to accept those decisions and move on.
You obviously meant to reply to Jerry.
No one who cites Benny Morris as a trustworthy or respectable source on Israeli history is either trustworthy or respectable.
I have read that Benny Morris has changed his mind, and now puts all the blame on the Arabs:
Feel free to take this with a grain of salt: I have not made any effort over the last 20 years to carefully follow what Benny Morris says.
Look over there, Zafar. It’s a squirrel!
14Trillion!!!!!!!!!! Now, just one decade later, the middle east hasn’t changed, but the uSA is 35 Trillion in debt.
Yep. Another indication the Jews don’t run America.
We have Catholic visitors from Bethlehem come to our parish annually who talk about some of the hardships they face, like curfews imposed by the Israeli government. This is what happens when Israel gives control of the West Bank to the PA, which forces Jews to live adjacent to entities who want to kill them, making security checks necessary. It’s yet another argument for a one state solution. It’s not just Jews who would be better off. . .
Huh.
Quite interesting. You know, because one of our most famous Muslim TV personalities (Luxy Aharish) married a star of Fauda (Tsahu Halevi). In case you didn’t know, Lucy actually lit the Torch on our Independence Day celebrations – basically the highest honor you can receive.
Now the Rabbinate wouldn’t carry out such a marriage and neither would the Imamate [spelling?]. So they almost certainly got a piece of paper from Utah or something (Zoom marriages are legal in Israel). And lots of people from both religions were very unhappy. But, guess what, the State recognizes the marriage.
And they had a beachfront wedding, right here in Israel itself.
What that reveals is something very very interesting… Israel enables lots of value systems to compete with one another – including those that won’t recognize such a marriage and those that will. It all makes for a society that is one of the most dynamic and vibrant in the world.
The Christian population in Israel is actually increasing. It is the only country in the region where that is true.
Maybe, but my impression is not so much in Bethlehem.
I was replying to Jerry. You’d already excerpted him, which is better than going full Jerry.
Amazing-so all the Arabs left the mandate in the 1940s b/c of Jewish oppression, but all the Jews left Arab lands b/c of the great treatment they received? De Nile just isn’t a river in Egypt…..
Imprisoned by Israel in Gaza? How do those Jews do it? They don’t control all the borders, yet it is a Jewish run prison-amazing. They must be magicians….Gaza has a port, an airfield and a border with another country-yet the Israelis keep Gazan’s imprisoned there. Hamas has no trouble importing missile parts, but no one can escape…..
What exactly is the difference? 99.5% of the population leaves. All their property is seized. They aren’t able to ever visit again. “Oh, no, no an expulsion just massive harassment, more than the occasional murder, arbitrary arrests, you know – ‘harsh treatment'”
Come on. Jews in Europe had ‘harsh treatment’, yet their pre-WWII population has only dropped by 85%. And that includes what the Nazis did.
They were imprisoned in Gaza by Egypt. Still are, in fact.
Jews from the Arab world flooded Israel and little tiny Israel took them in. We didn’t make them live in permanent refugee camps. They founded cities instead, like Sderot. I have an ex-brother-in-law from Iran, an ex-sister-in-law whose mother is from Afghanistan and father from Egypt (my family goes through a lot of spouses, apparently), my nephew married a woman from Yemen. They became Israelis and we all integrated.
But not the Arabs (remember, they were just Arabs in 1948 – not yet ‘Palestinians’). The Arabs weren’t allowed to resettle in Arab lands. Israel took in 500,000-800,000 Jews and the Muslim states, with a land area 1,000 times larger, couldn’t find a way to do the same?!?
No, Jordan and Syria and Lebanon and Egypt all decided not to welcome these refugees as citizens. These Arab refugees couldn’t get papers. They decided to cynically make them into prisoners so they could be used as a tool against Israel.
Of course, many of them came from the very countries who denied them legal admission. People with names like Al-Baghdadi are recent immigrants to ‘Palestine.’ Arafat was born in Egypt. They were people who came to the newly blossoming land of Israel, made war on the Jews (often driven by a Nazi ideology), were driven out/fled and then weren’t welcomed back where they had come from.
The Arab States made them prisoners. Yes, we drove quite a few out – our actions were in order to protect ourselves from genocide. Remember, From the River to the Sea was also a thing in 1948. Those 7 states were intent on eliminating Israel – on genocide.
Despite defending ourselves against an Arab-driven genocide, many Arabs remain in Israel and will remain in Israel. 20% of our population is Arab. Things are far from perfect, of course. But Arabs have far more rights here than almost anybody in the region who doesn’t live in Israel.