‘Deep Fakes’ Making High School Even Worse

 

A WSJ story Saturday described the awful torment of girls in a co-ed high school when the boys applied AI to photographs of the girls fully clothed… and produced and shared nude photos of their classmates.

Now, I remember being 14 or 15 years old. And I have had quite a few teenage boys living under my roof. And I can tell you right now that there is no way to put the genie back in the bottle. Fifteen-year-old boys have no moral code (especially when alone and bored), and they know what they want to see. Self-control? Puh-lease.

Nevertheless, something must be done. Having naked photos of you on the internet and available to friends and teachers and parents is horrible, affecting every facet of your life. Even if they are not real.

Here’s my solution: bring back single-sex education for 7th-10th grades (and maybe through high school). Separate boys and girls at this most irresponsible and fragile age range.

Does anyone have a better idea?

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  1. Full Size Tabby Member
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    iWe:

    A WSJ story today described the awful torment of girls in a co-ed high school when the boys applied AI to photographs of the girls fully clothed… and produced and shared nude photos of their classmates.

    Now, I remember being 14 or 15 years old. And I have had quite a few teenaged boys living under my roof. And I can tell you right now that there is no way to put the genie back in the bottle. 15 year old boys have no moral code (especially when alone and bored), and they know what they want to see. Self-control? Puh-lease.

    Nevertheless, something must be done. Having naked photos of you on the internet and available to friends and teachers and parents is horrible, affecting every facet of your life. Even if they are not real.

    Here’s my solution: bring back single-sex education for 7th-10th grades (and maybe through high school). Separate boys and girls at this most irresponsible and fragile age range.

    Does anyone have a better idea?

    Not just the photos per se, but there are several reasons single sex junior high and senior high schools would benefit both girls and boys. Including academic reasons. 

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  2. Matt Bartle Member
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    At some point everyone will assume such pictures are more likely to be fake than real, so they’ll lose their impact.

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  3. Juno Delta Whiskey Coolidge
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    @Cato

    Homeschool.

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  4. iWe Coolidge
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    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    Homeschool.

    I was homeschooled – until 8th Grade.

    And we in turn have homeschooled 7 kids. But it ended by High School. Somehow once they hit puberty, homeschooling didn’t work except for one of the adoptees (and he was incredibly self-motivated). We found that kids need to learn to manipulate people who are not their parents.

    YMMV, of course. But teenagers are not such an obvious fit for homeschool.

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  5. Ben Sears Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Honestly, the challenge of AI is far larger than this. Framing people for crimes is a real possibility.

    I think the opposite may happen. There’ll be a while when AI images destroy lives but I think as the technology gets better it will be harder if not impossible to detect and that will make all images suspect. If there’s an impossible to detect way to make it look like I did something I didn’t do there’s an opening for me to deny real video and audio by claiming it’s Deep Fake or whatever the name will be (who saw “Google” or “Yahoo” coming?) I think evidence of that sort gets pushed off the table where it was once incontrovertible, and not in the oil-based lifeform Schiff way. 

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  6. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Ben Sears (View Comment):

    TBA (View Comment):

    Honestly, the challenge of AI is far larger than this. Framing people for crimes is a real possibility.

    I think the opposite may happen. There’ll be a while when AI images destroy lives but I think as the technology gets better it will be harder if not impossible to detect and that will make all images suspect. If there’s an impossible to detect way to make it look like I did something I didn’t do there’s an opening for me to deny real video and audio by claiming it’s Deep Fake or whatever the name will be (who saw “Google” or “Yahoo” coming?) I think evidence of that sort gets pushed off the table where it was once incontrovertible, and not in the oil-based lifeform Schiff way.

    A hefty lawsuit or two would also help.

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  7. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    iWe (View Comment):

    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    Homeschool.

    I was homeschooled – until 8th Grade.

    And we in turn have homeschooled 7 kids. But it ended by High School. Somehow once they hit puberty, homeschooling didn’t work except for one of the adoptees (and he was incredibly self-motivated). We found that kids need to learn to manipulate people who are not their parents.

    YMMV, of course. But teenagers are not such an obvious fit for homeschool.

    In our area, teens who are homeschooled are thriving. 

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  8. Michael Brehm Lincoln
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    All I know is that if you have any compromising photos of someone that you were keeping around for blackmail purposes, you may want to cash those chips sooner rather than later.

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  9. The Reticulator Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    Homeschool.

    I was homeschooled – until 8th Grade.

    And we in turn have homeschooled 7 kids. But it ended by High School. Somehow once they hit puberty, homeschooling didn’t work except for one of the adoptees (and he was incredibly self-motivated). We found that kids need to learn to manipulate people who are not their parents.

    YMMV, of course. But teenagers are not such an obvious fit for homeschool.

    In our area, teens who are homeschooled are thriving.

    Around 2007 a mother talked me into doing some winter aquatic invertebrate activities with her son and two other boys.  The son was headed to vet school.  The College of Veterinary Medicine had already assured the parents that they had no trouble admitting students who had been homeschooled through high school.  It had already had good results with such students. 

    I’ve run into one of the boys since.  I’ve not heard how vet school worked out for the mother’s son, but he seemed like a boy who could do well. 

    But it doesn’t work for everyone.  The parents of these boys were well-educated themselves and they put a lot of work into their childrens’ education.  I had known them from a Saturday science program for younger children and their parents that was run by volunteers at my workplace, which had gradually evolved into a program in which homeschool families predominated.  I had done some aquatic invertebrate programs there, sometimes together with an entomologist whose research was mostly in streams.  (This entomologist, as well as other colleagues and the chair of the entomology department at the university always treated me well, even though I wasn’t one of them.)  When the boys got to be of high school age the mother was fairly aggressive about finding more advanced activities for them and somehow talked me into it even though I was reluctant at first to take the boys wading in icy streams and ice-covered ponds, etc.  (You have to break the ice for some of the collecting, and yes, boys will be boys and will push their luck.  I had previously taken younger kids out to collect plankton through holes cut in the ice, but that’s not risky as long as the ice is good.)

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  10. TBA Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    Homeschool.

    I was homeschooled – until 8th Grade.

    And we in turn have homeschooled 7 kids. But it ended by High School. Somehow once they hit puberty, homeschooling didn’t work except for one of the adoptees (and he was incredibly self-motivated). We found that kids need to learn to manipulate people who are not their parents.

    YMMV, of course. But teenagers are not such an obvious fit for homeschool.

    In our area, teens who are homeschooled are thriving.

    I had previously taken younger kids out to collect plankton through holes cut in the ice, but that’s not risky as long as the ice is good.)

    Those fishhooks have got to be so tiny!

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