Quote of the Day: Pro-Free Speech

 

Any online community that is explicitly pro-free speech will inevitably become right-leaning. This is because in the free market of ideas right-leaning ideas win. Which is why we see these left-wing tech companies censoring. No one is buying their progressive, globalist [REDACTED] anymore, so it must be force-fed down the throats of users and dissent must be stamped out with the iron fist of censorship.” — Gab CEO Andrew Torba

If you think about it, it makes sense. Ricochet is an example. We have had progressives and liberals join Ricochet to convert the heathen conservatives t0 their political bent instead staying and becoming right-leaning. Because the center-right arguments convinced them. In a free marketplace of ideas, the better arguments win.

It also explains why so much of the left went hair-on-fire when Elon Musk bought Twitter and turned it into X — a free-speech bastion. Without censorship, their ideas lose, and Twitter/X was a big stick in the social media world. Good ideas trump bad ideas.

It also explains why the current administration is so hard over on active censorship. Unless they control the narrative — all of it — the reality of Bidenomics and the results of the wretched policies of this administration are as bare as the emperor wearing his new clothes.  That simply cannot be allowed.

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  1. Misthiocracy has never Member
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    There should be no censorship of ideas.

    I am, however, more and more agnostic when it comes to the censorship of mediums.

    e.g. I am less and less convinced over time that banning the manufacture and sale of televisions entirely (including for governments) wouldn’t have been a bad idea.

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  2. BDB Inactive
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    Seawriter: We have had progressives and liberals join Ricochet to convert the heathen conservatives t0 their political bent instead staying and becoming right-leaning.

    Know of any examples?

    I think that what Torba says makes more sense due to filtration, not conversion.  Any enterprise dedicated to free speech will become right-leaning because the lefties far more than the righties will feel out of place.  Righties are used to having zero support and in fact active suppression from above, while lefties are used to being coddled where anybody who makes them think  can be removed for cause.

    This mechanism will produce the observed result by netizens voting with their feet, without a single mind being changed anywhere.

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  3. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Seawriter: We have had progressives and liberals join Ricochet to convert the heathen conservatives t0 their political bent instead staying and becoming right-leaning.

    Know of any examples?

    I think that what Torba says makes more sense due to filtration, not conversion. Any enterprise dedicated to free speech will become right-leaning because the lefties far more than the righties will feel out of place. Righties are used to having zero support and in fact active suppression from above, while lefties are used to being coddled where anybody who makes them think can be removed for cause.

    This mechanism will produce the observed result by netizens voting with their feet, without a single mind being changed anywhere.

    Tend to agree here

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Seawriter: In a free marketplace of ideas the better arguments win. 

    That presumes a level of intelligence that doesn’t seem sufficiently common these days.

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Seawriter: In a free marketplace of ideas the better arguments win.

    That presumes a level of intelligence that doesn’t seem sufficiently common these days.

    No, it doesn’t.  Intelligence has little to do with it. 

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Seawriter: In a free marketplace of ideas the better arguments win.

    That presumes a level of intelligence that doesn’t seem sufficiently common these days.

    No, it doesn’t. Intelligence has little to do with it.

    Stupid people are more likely to believe “Free Stuff!” than “A rising tide raises all boats.”  Especially if they’re already envious of the less-stupid people.

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  7. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Seawriter: We have had progressives and liberals join Ricochet to convert the heathen conservatives t0 their political bent instead staying and becoming right-leaning.

    Know of any examples?

    I think that what Torba says makes more sense due to filtration, not conversion. Any enterprise dedicated to free speech will become right-leaning because the lefties far more than the righties will feel out of place. Righties are used to having zero support and in fact active suppression from above, while lefties are used to being coddled where anybody who makes them think can be removed for cause.

    This mechanism will produce the observed result by netizens voting with their feet, without a single mind being changed anywhere.

    We do have GrannyDude as an example, but for the most part I agree with you.  

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  8. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Misthiocracy has never (View Comment):

    There should be no censorship of ideas.

    I am, however, more and more agnostic when it comes to the censorship of mediums.

    e.g. I am less and less convinced over time that banning the manufacture and sale of televisions entirely (including for governments) wouldn’t have been a bad idea.

    Cell phones are destroying the minds of young people and probably society itself.  It’s just a thing, a block of electronics in the hand.  But it’s both being abused and is deliberately abusive.

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  9. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Seawriter: We have had progressives and liberals join Ricochet to convert the heathen conservatives t0 their political bent instead staying and becoming right-leaning.

    Know of any examples?

    I think that what Torba says makes more sense due to filtration, not conversion. Any enterprise dedicated to free speech will become right-leaning because the lefties far more than the righties will feel out of place. Righties are used to having zero support and in fact active suppression from above, while lefties are used to being coddled where anybody who makes them think can be removed for cause.

    This mechanism will produce the observed result by netizens voting with their feet, without a single mind being changed anywhere.

    @grannydude, and probably @caroljoy.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    Globalitarian Misanthropist (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Seawriter: We have had progressives and liberals join Ricochet to convert the heathen conservatives t0 their political bent instead staying and becoming right-leaning.

    Know of any examples?

    I think that what Torba says makes more sense due to filtration, not conversion. Any enterprise dedicated to free speech will become right-leaning because the lefties far more than the righties will feel out of place. Righties are used to having zero support and in fact active suppression from above, while lefties are used to being coddled where anybody who makes them think can be removed for cause.

    This mechanism will produce the observed result by netizens voting with their feet, without a single mind being changed anywhere.

    @ grannydude, and probably @ caroljoy.

    I don’t know about Carol leaving.  Some people claim they can’t afford to leave the People’s Republic of California, which makes no sense to me.  But I suppose it’s different for renters.

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  11. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Globalitarian Misanthropist (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Seawriter: We have had progressives and liberals join Ricochet to convert the heathen conservatives t0 their political bent instead staying and becoming right-leaning.

    Know of any examples?

    I think that what Torba says makes more sense due to filtration, not conversion. Any enterprise dedicated to free speech will become right-leaning because the lefties far more than the righties will feel out of place. Righties are used to having zero support and in fact active suppression from above, while lefties are used to being coddled where anybody who makes them think can be removed for cause.

    This mechanism will produce the observed result by netizens voting with their feet, without a single mind being changed anywhere.

    @ grannydude, and probably @ caroljoy.

    I don’t know about Carol leaving. Some people claim they can’t afford to leave the People’s Republic of California, which makes no sense to me. But I suppose it’s different for renters.

    I’m indicating that minds have been changed.

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  12. carcat74 Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Seawriter: In a free marketplace of ideas the better arguments win.

    That presumes a level of intelligence that doesn’t seem sufficiently common these days.

    No, it doesn’t. Intelligence has little to do with it.

    Intelligence scares the ‘minds full of mush’. It requires thinking for oneself, independent of the hive mind, and so is frightening. Easier to sink into the swill of thinking like ‘everyone else’, closing their minds to the fact that not everyone thinks like them.

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  13. Saint Augustine Member
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    carcat74 (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Seawriter: In a free marketplace of ideas the better arguments win.

    That presumes a level of intelligence that doesn’t seem sufficiently common these days.

    No, it doesn’t. Intelligence has little to do with it.

    Intelligence scares the ‘minds full of mush’. It requires thinking for oneself, independent of the hive mind, and so is frightening. Easier to sink into the swill of thinking like ‘everyone else’, closing their minds to the fact that not everyone thinks like them.

    While remembering that they’re being good for thinking almost the right things–the things the right people think, those wonderful Ivy League profs.

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