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What a Stupid Conspiracy Theory
There have been rumors and arguments that Netanyahu intentionally allowed Hamas to commit their atrocities so he could have an excuse to root Hamas out. While I am not a fan of Netanyahu, this is a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Here are the reasons why:
1) Israel is a very small country with a tightly related population. This isn’t New York, where people come from around the country and may know somebody from back in Omaha — the Jewish people are highly connected to one another and even more so in Israel. Israelis fight like family because they are. There is no way you would sacrifice so many members of your family just to go after Hamas. There is no tradition in Judaism or Israel of sacrificing people. Quite the contrary.
2) Hamas is not the real threat anyway, so getting rid of Hamas does not address the underlying problem (Iran). Why start a war with the proxy while the real source of the problem remains untouched?
3) Iran has long been the enemy Netanyahu is fixated on, and the Hamas attack has not prompted Israel to do anything concrete about Iran. If anything, it is a distraction. So if you wanted to attack Iran, getting Hamas to kill 1,400 people is not the way to get there.
4) Netanyahu is a massive loser from the whole affair — and it was totally predictable that he would be. Calls for his resignation have spread far beyond the leftists who didn’t like him before. According to one poll, “Only 20.5% of Jewish Israelis and 7.5% of Arab Israelis polled say they have trust in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government, when polled in the aftermath of Hamas’s brutal October 7 terror attack.” According to another: “48% of respondents thought Gantz would make a better prime minister, compared with only 28% for Netanyahu.” Unlike the US, where nobody lost their jobs over the attacks and President Bush’s approval rating soared above 80%, the opposite happens in Israel.
Everybody in the senior political and military chain of command will lose their jobs over this. Israel is not about process, but people — and the people who were responsible for stopping this sort of thing failed. The reaction is entirely predictable. Netanyahu, even if he were to win the war tomorrow with no further bloodshed, will always be defined by this one enormous failure, one that changes his entire legacy.
As soon as the war is over, everyone will resign. Just as they should.
5) If you were Egypt and wanted to mess with Israel without being openly antagonistic, what would be more effective than saying you warned the Israeli Prime Minister? Egypt gets to look good, and make Israeli leadership look stupid: a win-win!
People in the West have to learn to take what Arab and Iranian leaders say with more than a grain of salt.
6) The Shin Bet apparently thought something was up. They sent a special team down to investigate, but had no idea of the scale of the coming assault. They lost 10 men from a special team. You don’t send your best guys down just to be speedbumps in a massive assault.
7) Israel lost senior officers, including three Colonels and four Lieutenant Colonels. Israel has 10 brigades. One of their commanders was killed, specifically the commander of the Nahal brigade, which is in charge of the South. In order for a “let them attack” plot to work, he would have had to be inside the conspiracy. But he clearly was not, as he was killed while rushing to the scene.
8) Finally, Netanyahu has no history of pulling the trigger on anything. The country would have backed an invasion of Gaza in 2014; he didn’t do it. The country would have backed an attack on Iran any time in the last 15 years. He didn’t do it. Bibi never makes the hard calls, so he wouldn’t have made this one. Heck, he seems reluctant to order an invasion even now. Hardly the actions of a man looking for an excuse.
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You cannot reason a person out of views that reason played no part in. Of course you are right, and the explanation is wasted on those who need to hear it.
I’ll quibble about Bibi’s fate, but time will tell.
It is absurd on its face. It looks like projection. That everyone is as evil as they are.
I’ve been flummoxed by Israeli politics ever since it seemed that the opposition was going after Bibi for … bottle deposits? I greatly admire and respect the nation of Israel, but a proper political scandal needs hot tubs full of hookers and/or duffle bags full of blow.
Hunter Biden has entered the chat.
The theory I heard is that Netanyahu had been dribbling funds to Hamas to kill the two-state solution and got burned. I’m still waiting for evidence. It seems like a bit much even for him.
I think you can blow that candle out. Hamas themselves won’t accept a two-state solution — it’s in their charter.
Okay, then here are two simple questions: since Israel is a small country, in terms of square miles of an area, how is it we should accept that the military helicopters for that nation happened to be deployed away from Gaza and over by the West Bank on that fateful Saturday morning?
Secondly, if that is where those helicopters were, then how come the aircraft were not ordered to go back to Gaza border? Since heading back was a very short, 12 minute flight at the most.
Anyway as a bonafide “CTer,” for the past 8 years, almost every conspiracy theory I’ve looked into has been proven to be a true conspiracy. So our CIA needs to come up with something for the gullible public to hit me and my colleagues with that carries a lot more weight than “CT.”
Hmm, could it be that someone thought the attack from Gaza was supposed to be a cover for an even bigger attack from the West Bank?
Not from what I’ve seen here. Maybe that’s a bad sample or something.
It depends a little on how long it takes “them” to start yelling conspiracy theory. If you hear “conspiracy theory” or “Russian disinformation” in the first few days, it’s neither.
Have any of the conspiracy theories you’ve posted on Ricochet turned out to be true? Or do those not count?
Really, the response time of a few helicopters? That’s the counter to the commander of the entire southern command being killed while trying to race to the scene and everything else presented?
Yes, it took the helicopters an hour to get there. The reality is that nobody was expecting an attack and nobody knew what was going on because the communications towers were destroyed. The helicopters on standby were in Ramat David – 140 km from Gaza. An Apache’s top speed is 290km/hour and it takes some time for even standby aircraft to get off the ground and get to top speed. So an hour, in the fog of war, isn’t that slow. Apaches don’t loiter waiting for trouble because they are maintenance nightmares and can only hang out for 2.5 hours at a whack with normal fuel tanks and full armament.
Why didn’t they use the helicopters at Ramon? They were only 80 km away (a mere 16 minutes away ignoring time to get off the ground and reach maximum speed, not 12). Those helicopters weren’t on standby. Why would they be? Hamas attempts at the wall had always been stopped by infantry and tanks at the scene. Helicopters are rarely used by Israel to deal with terrorists. Their use in Jenin in June was the first use in the West Bank in 21 years. . They used them in 2021 in Gaza, but not as a first line of response.
The delay reflects only a lack of anticipation and the fog of war. Again, this is 100% consistent with not expecting a massive incursion. AFAIK, Apache helicopters aren’t simple and fast to deploy. I do know they are maintenance nightmares and that implies that you don’t keep them all at the ready. Israel certainly keeps fighter jets at an active ready state, but helicopters are typically only used once hostilities have advanced quite a bit. The fighters are on active ready to deal with incoming aerial threats from Iran, Syria and Lebanon – not what were normally riots at the Gaza fence.
Once the helicopters got there, it was *hard* to distinguish between Hamas and Israelis. Most Israelis and Arabs don’t look different. Many Israeli special forces responded before they could get into uniform. The fog of war was thick – especially from the air.
Shhhhh! It’s more fun to pretend The Jooos are evil enough to let their own people be killed to start a war so they can make money from the MI complex.
Seriously, this is some of the most anti-Semitic BS I’ve ever seen from our resident conspiracy theorist.
If it were materially different from other unrelated conspiracy theories, I’d be more concerned.
As someone who has studied and written about ‘intelligence’ over the years and gotten paid by some for my insights.
This is very typical of gross institutional incompetence that I have come to rely on. Also I just dont see Netanyahu as the type to sacrifice his citizens in this way. Hes a misguided patriot, but an Israeli patriot.
Everyone in the upper echelon of Israeli officialdom undertook the draconian mandates that led Israeli citizens into becoming the first population in the world that had to participate in the bioweapon injections.
This meant that the people there did not even get to wait it out and see what happened to those who went before them.
I doubt very much Netanyahu or Naftali Bennet got the real deal. If these two got any injections at all, the pokes were most likely saline.
I will continue to hold to this belief until it can be proven to me that Israeli prime ministers are not connected to WEF and/or The WHO and UN policies.
As far as a body count sacrifice, it is now known that one out of 8 people who were over the age of 60 and who got the COV jabs in 2021 were dead by the end of that year. Israeli citizenry compliance with their government’s mandates was explained here:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2021-08-31/ty-article/israel-vaccine-data-how-many-have-already-been-inoculated-for-covid/0000017f-e163-d7b2-a77f-e367c9040000
Good Heavens. Looks like you’ll hold that belief forever, because you certianly won’t convince yourself, and nobody gives a damn about convincing you. Feel free to believe whatever you like until the sun burns out, and — wait, what’s that? Netanyahu on the phone? For Carol? Well, I’ll put him right through.
That is an insanely ridiculous claim.
I think it’s quite reasonable — I think. In fact, it’s so reasonable that it’s not even remarkable. I think it’s true for both those who got shots and those who did not. I think it’s just an alarming way to state a boring statistical fact.
https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
A 60-year old has a 1/80 likelihood of dying in one year, and 80% of the population is still alive at this age.
An 85-year-old has a 1/8 chance, and 25% of the population is alive at this age.
Everybody above 85 drags that averge up, up, up, and their numbers are not insignificant.
1/8 may be more than usual, but it’s not astronomical when you figure that the “over 60” crowd must account for 80% of all deaths.
For what reason would the upper echelon of Israel’s government want to kill off — through illegitimate vaccines or terrorist invasion — a bunch of their own citizens?
Here’s the real, actual, no-kidding, people-conspire-and-then-execute CONSPIRACY plaguing the world.
h/t Henry Racette: