Reciprocity in the Middle East

 

Iran arms the enemies of Israel — Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, etc. We see how that works out. It is time for Israel to return the favor.

Israel should actively arm the people of Iran, so they can overthrow their corrupt and evil government.  It would not be hard to do — millions of handguns of various kinds could be dropped on population centers or smuggled on containers or across Iran’s borders. It would be a superb example of asymmetrical warfare.

After its populace is armed, the Iranian government would, one way or the other, end up representing the will of its own people. And removing Iran’s influence on Lebanon, Gaza, Yemen, etc., would make the Middle East much safer and more prosperous.

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  1. Susan Quinn Member
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    At one time I would have disagreed, but now it’s tempting . . . 

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  2. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    iWe: It would not be hard to do – millions of handguns of various kinds could be dropped on population centers or smuggled on containers or across Iran’s borders. It would be a superb example of asymmetrical warfare.

    I do not think it is possible to arm a population that is not already armed.  Protect 2A people.

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  3. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    If I were Israel, I’m not sure I would do this.

    Giving deadly weapons to millions of Muslims who want all Jews dead seems risky.

    Of course, there are many Iranians who don’t take the teachings of Islam all that seriously, and choose to ignore the part in the Koran about killing Jews and other infidels.  On the other hand, there are many who do believe such things.

    I’m not sure that arming the population of Muslim countries is wise.

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  4. Painter Jean Moderator
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    If I were Israel, I’m not sure I would do this.

    Giving deadly weapons to millions of Muslims who want all Jews dead seems risky.

    Of course, there are many Iranians who don’t take the teachings of Islam all that seriously, and choose to ignore the part in the Koran about killing Jews and other infidels. On the other hand, there are many who do believe such things.

    I’m not sure that arming the population of Muslim countries is wise.

    I’m afraid I agree with Dr. Bastiat. Many – maybe even a majority of – Iranians might hate their government, but they also are likely to hold the same attitudes towards Jews as does Hamas. Arming Iran’s citizens could have disastrous unintended consequences. I do think Israel might have to take out Iran’s nuclear program, which I would not be sorry to see. Taking out its munitions industry would be good too, if possible (I won’t pretend to know if it is or isn’t).

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  5. iWe Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    Many – maybe even a majority of – Iranians might hate their government, but they also are likely to hold the same attitudes towards Jews as does Hamas. Arming Iran’s citizens could have disatrous unintended consequences.

    Small arms in the hands of Iranian citizens or even their army pose no risk to Israel. Iran is a LONG way away.

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  6. Painter Jean Moderator
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    iWe (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    Many – maybe even a majority of – Iranians might hate their government, but they also are likely to hold the same attitudes towards Jews as does Hamas. Arming Iran’s citizens could have disatrous unintended consequences.

    Small arms in the hands of Iranian citizens or even their army pose no risk to Israel. Iran is a LONG way away.

    Unintended consequences are often just that, unintended and surprising. I wouldn’t risk it.

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  7. Concretevol Thatcher
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    Ya know……it’s crazy enough it just might work.  Israel has been pretty active inside of Iran opposing their nuclear ambitions.   Maybe an insurgency would be effective and if not at least a little pay back. 

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  8. TBA Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    Many – maybe even a majority of – Iranians might hate their government, but they also are likely to hold the same attitudes towards Jews as does Hamas. Arming Iran’s citizens could have disatrous unintended consequences.

    Small arms in the hands of Iranian citizens or even their army pose no risk to Israel. Iran is a LONG way away.

    Unintended consequences are often just that, unintended and surprising. I wouldn’t risk it.

    Definitely Israel shouldn’t drop weapons where citizens of countries are powerless. 

    We should. 

    Don’t we believe that gun ownership flows from self-evident truths? 

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  9. jmelvin Member
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    Even if the majority of Iranians are hostile to Jews and their right to life, forcing the Iranian government to deal with insurgencies and rebellions by its own people will tie its hands for sponsoring terror outside of its borders.  We know that the Iranian government as-is is hostile to Israel and Jews generally, but it is that unchallenged, coordinated government that is likely actively developing nuclear weapons that will be used against Israel (and others).  Mucked up government isn’t likely to develop its own nuclear weapons to a completed product, at least not in short order, so this suggestion has merit to me.  Besides, were the current Iranian government to fall, why would we think arms wouldn’t be immediately accessible to the populace via adversarial arms dealers anyway?

    I’d say give it a go.  Can things go wrong?  Yeah, but how are they going “right” now?

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  10. iWe Coolidge
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    It is posts like this one that make me think the Iranian people are, on the whole, all right.

    Once again Iranian students refused to walk over Israeli flag. Basij prints Israeli flag on the floor at the universities so that no one can avoid stepping on it but the students defy the regime and respect Israeli flag.

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  11. Locke On Member
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    iWe (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    Many – maybe even a majority of – Iranians might hate their government, but they also are likely to hold the same attitudes towards Jews as does Hamas. Arming Iran’s citizens could have disatrous unintended consequences.

    Small arms in the hands of Iranian citizens or even their army pose no risk to Israel. Iran is a LONG way away.

    Yes. It’s not enough just to possess force, you have to be able to project it. Iran has only rudimentary transport and logistics capabilities. They can support guerrilla efforts or smuggle arms into Hamas, but moving large masses of armed troops hundreds of miles against opposition is likely beyond their capability, even if the masses were willing.

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  12. iWe Coolidge
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):Small arms in the hands of Iranian citizens or even their army pose no risk to Israel. Iran is a LONG way away.

    Yes. It’s not enough just to possess force, you have to be able to project it. Iran has only rudimentary transport and logistics capabilities. They can support guerrilla efforts or smuggle arms into Hamas, but moving large masses of armed troops hundreds of miles against opposition is likely beyond their capability, even if the masses were willing.

    It is 985 miles as the crow flies, across the Persian Gulf and inhospitable desert between Tehran and Tel Aviv. 

    Which is why Iran’s threat is from nukes and proxy forces (Hamas and Hezbollah).

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  13. JoelB Member
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    First Israel needs to get guns in the hands of its own citizens. Call it the Esther Option.

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  14. Miffed White Male Member
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    iWe: Israel should actively arm the people of Iran, so they can overthrow their corrupt and evil government.  It would not be hard to do — millions of handguns of various kinds could be dropped on population centers or smuggled on containers or across Iran’s borders.

    I’d prefer if they dropped Ordnance on Iran instead of weapons.

     

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  15. MarciN Member
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    I’m sure that one complication in Israel’s military strategy is that apparently there are approximately 600 Americans in Gaza at the moment:

    Hundreds of American citizens are trapped in the besieged Gaza Strip under constant Israeli bombardment and have received no help in finding ways to escape, according to interviews with individuals on the ground.

    The State Department says as many as 600 Americans are in the enclave that since Oct. 7 has come under heavy retaliatory airstrikes by Israel after the Palestinian militant group Hamas, which governs Gaza, launched a terror attack against southern Israel that killed at least 1,300 people.

    The Israeli air campaign and full siege against Gaza which cut off electricity, food and water to the already blockaded territory has killed 3,785 people so far, according to Gaza’s health ministry.

    “America’s not helping us, Biden’s not helping us, the embassy is not helping us,” Amir Kaoud, a Palestinian-American at the Rafah crossing with several of his family members, told NBC News.

    The Rafah crossing is at the border of southern Gaza and Egypt, and it is one of only two points of entry and exit for the Palestinian territory. The other point of entry is at Gaza’s northern border with Israel. Both are currently closed, and thousands of people are camped out at the southern crossing in the desperate hope of getting out.

    That has to be a problem for Israel.

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