Hamas Slaughters Jews and the Heathen Sides With Hamas

 

Why do the heathen rage? That was the question posed by David in Psalm 2 of the Old Testament. And by the way, David was king of the United Kingdom of Israel some 1,600 years before there was any such thing as Islam. So, just to be clear, the Jews were there first, long before Islam was spread across the region through violent conquest. But the answer to the question posed in the psalm is that they, the heathen, are basically at war with God and his laws.

And O how the heathen do rage! Throughout the West — formerly known as “Christendom” and now known as a self-loathing civilization in severe decline — they rage in every major city and especially on the hallowed grounds of so-called “institutions of higher learning.” Take Harvard, for example. Originally established as a college whose main purpose was to educate clergy, more than 30 student groups recently justified the actions of the terrorist group/death cult known as Hamas after its murderous, bloodthirsty incursion into Israel from Gaza.

Among the mindboggling atrocities was the slaughter of hundreds of young people at an outdoor concert billing itself as a “journey of unity and love.” Unsurprisingly, Hamas isn’t really into all that touchy-feely stuff; they’re more the blood-and-guts type, especially when it involves shooting Jews while they’re conveniently gathered at a peacenik concert.

Think about the pretzel-like contortions the human mind must go through to justify what Hamas did in Israel: the murder, the slaughter, the torture, the rape, the beheadings, the kidnappings. In the minds of contemporary Harvard student groups — or those of most any other postmodern university — the aforementioned crimes against humanity are perfectly understandable given the “oppression” of “Palestinians” by the “Zionist entity.” You too would slaughter children and the elderly, you too would behead babies if you lived under such conditions. It’s only natural when a people long for freedom!

The only problem with this line of reasoning, other than every last bit of it, is that Gaza isn’t oppressed by Israel. The world’s “largest open-air prison,” as terror sympathizers often call it, is instead oppressed by the Hamas death cult who control it. And the absolute last thing Hamas is concerned with is improvement of any kind for the lives of the two million hapless souls living under its control.

See, back in 2005, Israel decided to vacate this territory they had occupied since the ‘67 war to see if “land for peace” would really work. Israel basically said, Here it is, do with it as you will, build a prosperous society.

Epic fail!

So, why haven’t they taken this lovely piece of real estate along the Mediterranean and turned it into an oasis of freedom and prosperity? Why aren’t European tourists and Western elites flocking to beach resorts and hotels on that beautiful, historic coast, drinking in the culture, the sights and sounds, the food, the balmy climate?

Well, because Hamas soon became the elected government and the whole place is the moral equivalent of Jonestown, except far worse. At Jonestown, they only killed themselves. In Gaza, they dream of nothing other than killing every man, woman and child within the confines of the neighboring Zionist entity. That has proven not to be a mindset with which a people build a prosperous and successful society.

No wonder Western university elites, and all other normal people, don’t vacation there. But while they don’t want to go there, they sympathize with the demonic death cult from afar, making absurd rationalizations for it all. And thus, hundreds of thousands of depraved and broken people — essentially the husks of former sentient humans — filled the streets of Western cities from Paris to London to New York to Sydney in their heathenistic rage. Some chanted things like “from the river to the sea” and even “gas the Jews!” No need to read between the lines there.

So, how has it come to this? While the antecedents go far back, it was during the ‘60s that the West began its wholesale rejection of Judeo-Christian religion and morality, and has been on a downward trajectory ever since. Without God — and the Judeo-Christian God specifically — there simply is no decency, no rationality, no wisdom, no peace. In the ensuing moral and spiritual vacuum that was created, every institution of any significance, particularly universities, was eventually infested with and rotted out by foolishness, Marxist ideologies, depravity of every kind and general corruption.

Those fallen institutions have already long celebrated the death cult of abortion and depopulation and sexual perversion and the destruction of marriage and family, so it’s little wonder that they openly celebrate the Hamas death cult. And it is little wonder that they focus such heathenistic rage on the tiny country that is the source of our Judeo-Christian heritage. And so, while Hamas and other barbarians do the dirty work of physically killing Jews, the fallen Western elites do their dirty work of insidiously destroying our Judeo-Christian heritage from within.

And let’s not overlook how the scourge of identity politics affects the thinking of those who rage against Israel and its very existence. It’s been around for decades, but it became especially virulent post-George Floyd. See if you can follow the intricate reasoning: White people are irredeemable oppressors. Peoples of color are their victims. Are you with me so far? Now, Israelis are mostly white and . . . That’s right, the so-called Palestinians are the oppressed people of color. Got it?

And of course, circumstances have no relevance to the identity politics-obsessed, heathenistic rage crowd. That tiny Israel is the only Jewish state on earth and is surrounded by endless Islamic countries that want them dead doesn’t matter. Nor does it matter that Islam took over a wide swath of the planet by violent conquest. (Talk about stolen land!) Nor does it matter that blood-mad barbaric terrorists like Hamas would gladly slit the throats of most of their white Western apologists without batting an eye. (Seriously, Queers For Palestine might want to rethink their position. But they won’t.)

So again, because they are at war with God and his laws, the heathen rage against everything under the sun, especially imaginary oppression and injustices. And because they are rendered incapable of distinguishing between true good and true evil, they have everything upside-down, backward, and inside-out. And because such wisdom-lacking people are in control of every institution, moral, intellectual and spiritual chaos now reign supreme over the West.

Given these circumstances, there is nothing Israel can do to win the world’s, or even the West’s, approval. The current United States presidential administration is giving heavy lip service about support for Israel, but all that support is going to be burdened with conditions that will make it impossible for Israel to decisively win its war against Hamas. President Biden is even mouthing nonsense about the impossible and absurd “two-state solution,” as if Israel can coexist with a neighboring state totally dedicated to its destruction.

Hello? They already tried a two-state solution with Gaza. How’d that turn out?

And the heathen rage on.

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  1. Steven Seward Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Steven – we’ve had versions of this conversation for about ten years. You know I think it started much earlier. I know you don’t agree.

    Does that make us “Frenemies?”  I am flattered that you note our history!  That’s way better than a cretain certain Arizonian lawyer who won’t even talk to me(!)

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  2. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Why don’t you care about the Palestinians?

    Cognitive dissonance. It’s also why people dismiss or ignore facts. Or dehumanise Palestinians.

    With respect, nobody values the lives of innocent Gazans less than Hamas does.

    Ricochet doesn’t seem to care about them either, except as ‘proof’ that Hamas is bad. That’s honestly what I’m getting.

    Do you need any more proof that Hamas is not just bad, but evil.

    He can speak for himself but I don’t think he was asking the question you are answering. Is this conscious or…?

    For petes’s sake, Zafar.  Can’t you ever finish a sentence?  Say what you mean.

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  3. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Nope. There is a moral distinction to be drawn between the latter as well.

    The victims (Israelis, as well as about 100 visitors from about a dozen other nations) of the Palestinians who broke into Israel on Oct 7 were MURDERED. The Palestinian victims of Israeli bombings in Gaza were KILLED.

    That’s a distinction between the murderers/killers and their intentions.

    The innocent dead have equal value. I don’t get what point you’re trying to make.

    They don’t have equal value in the Arab and Islamic World. That is a totally Western concept.

    Correct.  They honor their dead, but stomp on the faces of Jewish dead.  VERY different  values.  And very different values in their war making.

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  4. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Why don’t you care about the Palestinians?

    Cognitive dissonance. It’s also why people dismiss or ignore facts. Or dehumanise Palestinians.

    With respect, nobody values the lives of innocent Gazans less than Hamas does.

    Ricochet doesn’t seem to care about them either, except as ‘proof’ that Hamas is bad. That’s honestly what I’m getting.

    Seems to me, we sure care a heck of a lot more about the lives of innocent Gazans than Hamas does. I would even go further to state that we care more about them than the many Gazans who groom their own children into becoming “martyrs” and get payouts upon “mission accomplished”.

    You make my point :-(

    I think you totally missed his point.

    Or he dodged it.

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  5. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Steven – we’ve had versions of this conversation for about ten years. You know I think it started much earlier. I know you don’t agree.

    Does that make us “Frenemies?” I am flattered that you note our history! That’s way better than a cretain certain Arizonian lawyer who won’t even talk to me(!)

    Badge of Honor.

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  6. Zafar Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Steven – we’ve had versions of this conversation for about ten years. You know I think it started much earlier. I know you don’t agree.

    Does that make us “Frenemies?” I am flattered that you note our history! That’s way better than a cretain certain Arizonian lawyer who won’t even talk to me(!)

    I have low standards. I assumed you did also. 

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  7. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You know, the Israelis have already slaughtered more Palestinians, in the past 2 weeks, than the Israelis slaughtered on October 7. The latest reports state that the total Israeli death toll is less than the number of Palestinian children killed.

    Israel has repeatedly slaughtered Palestinians, usually with a kill ratio ranging from 10:1 to 100:1.

    Why don’t you care about the Palestinians?

    As a Christian man, shouldn’t you be concerned more about justice (either Earthly or Godly) than just numbers? Is that how you judge morality? By playing the numbers game, the United States should have been the bad actor against the Japanese and Germans in World War II, as well as the Villain in the Korean War, Vietnam War, and both Gulf Wars. I think the ratio in the first Gulf War was about 1,000 Iraqis for every one American killed. Not to mention the Iraqi civilians killed which would have been a nearly infinite ratio.

    Jerry is happy to accuse me of supporting genocide. 

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  8. Steven Seward Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You know, the Israelis have already slaughtered more Palestinians, in the past 2 weeks, than the Israelis slaughtered on October 7. The latest reports state that the total Israeli death toll is less than the number of Palestinian children killed.

    Israel has repeatedly slaughtered Palestinians, usually with a kill ratio ranging from 10:1 to 100:1.

    Why don’t you care about the Palestinians?

    As a Christian man, shouldn’t you be concerned more about justice (either Earthly or Godly) than just numbers? Is that how you judge morality? By playing the numbers game, the United States should have been the bad actor against the Japanese and Germans in World War II, as well as the Villain in the Korean War, Vietnam War, and both Gulf Wars. I think the ratio in the first Gulf War was about 1,000 Iraqis for every one American killed. Not to mention the Iraqi civilians killed which would have been a nearly infinite ratio.

    Jerry is happy to accuse me of supporting genocide.

    I think he is  happy to accuse the entirety of Western Civilization of genocide.

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  9. GPentelie Coolidge
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    Second attempt (first one was a couple of days ago, in comment #46):

    What do you consider a satisfactory level of “caring for the lives of innocent Gazans”, @zafar?

     

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  10. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You know, the Israelis have already slaughtered more Palestinians, in the past 2 weeks, than the Israelis slaughtered on October 7. The latest reports state that the total Israeli death toll is less than the number of Palestinian children killed.

    Israel has repeatedly slaughtered Palestinians, usually with a kill ratio ranging from 10:1 to 100:1.

    Why don’t you care about the Palestinians?

    “The Allies have killed more Germans in the last week than…”

    You’re contemptible, Jerry, but we knew that.

    “Slaughtered”? No. Bombed, shelled, and shot at, sure. But slaughtered? That implies both that the dead were a) defenseless and b) unsuspecting. Neither is the truth.

    And, no, there aren’t, pratically speaking, many if any “innocent Gazans” since they voted these abominable scum into power and kept them there for 18 years. There may be “good Gazans” in the sense of the “good Germans” during the Nazi era, but where are they? Where`s the Arab General Beck or Admiral Canaris? The Gazan Weiße Rose or even Edelweiß Piraten to stand up to the Obersturmführer and Einsatzgruppenleiter of today? I see no trace. Bomb them and shell them until they ask to unconditionally surrender.

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  11. Steven Seward Member
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    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    You know, the Israelis have already slaughtered more Palestinians, in the past 2 weeks, than the Israelis slaughtered on October 7. The latest reports state that the total Israeli death toll is less than the number of Palestinian children killed.

    Israel has repeatedly slaughtered Palestinians, usually with a kill ratio ranging from 10:1 to 100:1.

    Why don’t you care about the Palestinians?

    “The Allies have killed more Germans in the last week than…”

    You’re contemptible, Jerry, but we knew that.

    “Slaughtered”? No. Bombed, shelled, and shot at, sure. But slaughtered? That implies both that the dead were a) defenseless and b) unsuspecting. Neither is the truth.

    And, no, there aren’t, pratically speaking, many if any “innocent Gazans” since they voted these abominable scum into power and kept them there for 18 years. There may be “good Gazans” in the sense of the “good Germans” during the Nazi era, but where are they? Where`s the Arab General Beck or Admiral Canaris? The Gazan Weiße Rose or even Edelweiß Piraten to stand up to the Obersturmführer and Einsatzgruppenleiter of today? I see no trace. Bomb them and shell them until they ask to unconditionally surrender.

    I think Jerry ran away………..again………  He’s turning into a “drive-by commenter.”

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  12. Zafar Member
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Second attempt (first one was a couple of days ago, in comment #46):

    What do you consider a satisfactory level of “caring for the lives of innocent Gazans”, @ zafar?

    In this instance as much as you care for the lives of innocent Israelis.  Sorry I missed your question. 

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Second attempt (first one was a couple of days ago, in comment #46):

    What do you consider a satisfactory level of “caring for the lives of innocent Gazans”, @ zafar?

    In this instance as much as you care for the lives of innocent Israelis. Sorry I missed your question.

    I think we do.  And if Israel did to Gaza what Gaza did to Israel – and IT’S NOT JUST ABOUT “KILLING!!!!” – we would be on Gaza’s side.  But they didn’t, so we aren’t.

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  14. GPentelie Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Second attempt (first one was a couple of days ago, in comment #46):

    What do you consider a satisfactory level of “caring for the lives of innocent Gazans”, @ zafar?

    In this instance as much as you care for the lives of innocent Israelis. Sorry I missed your question.

    That’s a dodge, not an answer. Care to try again?

    PS:
    No need to apologize for missing my question. Unless the Ricochet PTB pay you a salary, that is, in which case you would owe them an apology.

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  15. Zafar Member
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Second attempt (first one was a couple of days ago, in comment #46):

    What do you consider a satisfactory level of “caring for the lives of innocent Gazans”, @ zafar?

    In this instance as much as you care for the lives of innocent Israelis. Sorry I missed your question.

    That’s a dodge, not an answer. Care to try again?

    It’s not a dodge.  Let me rephrase it for you.

    1  Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and express this in word and deed?

    2  Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    3  Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and express this in word and deed?

    4  Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    PS:
    No need to apologize for missing my question. Unless the Ricochet PTB pay you a salary, that is, in which case you would owe them an apology.

    A side hustle?  Maybe I should apply?

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Second attempt (first one was a couple of days ago, in comment #46):

    What do you consider a satisfactory level of “caring for the lives of innocent Gazans”, @ zafar?

    In this instance as much as you care for the lives of innocent Israelis. Sorry I missed your question.

    That’s a dodge, not an answer. Care to try again?

    It’s not a dodge. Let me rephrase it for you.

    1 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and express this in word and deed?

    2 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    3 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and express this in word and deed?

    4 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    PS:
    No need to apologize for missing my question. Unless the Ricochet PTB pay you a salary, that is, in which case you would owe them an apology.

    A side hustle? Maybe I should apply?

    Of course it can never be that simple.  For one thing, there’s also the issue of how Gazans value those lives.  If Hamas started using catapults to bombard Israel with their (Gazan) children, would you expect Israel to surrender?  It’s almost at that point already.

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  17. GPentelie Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Second attempt (first one was a couple of days ago, in comment #46):

    What do you consider a satisfactory level of “caring for the lives of innocent Gazans”, @ zafar?

    In this instance as much as you care for the lives of innocent Israelis. Sorry I missed your question.

    That’s a dodge, not an answer. Care to try again?

    It’s not a dodge. Let me rephrase it for you.

    1 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and express this in word and deed?

    2 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    3 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and express this in word and deed?

    4 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    First you dodged a specific question with a generality into which you simply embedded your previous accusation that I/we don’t.

    And now you’re dodging it by resorting to asking a series of questions of your own.

    Seems to me that, having leveled such accusations, it is incumbent upon you (especially when asked) to  specify the standards you use in order to level them.

    EDITED TO ADD:

    Perhaps it would be helpful if you came up with some scenarios. Kinda like what I did earlier in the thread (the spree shooter in a shopping mall).

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  18. Zafar Member
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    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Second attempt (first one was a couple of days ago, in comment #46):

    What do you consider a satisfactory level of “caring for the lives of innocent Gazans”, @ zafar?

    In this instance as much as you care for the lives of innocent Israelis. Sorry I missed your question.

    That’s a dodge, not an answer. Care to try again?

    It’s not a dodge. Let me rephrase it for you.

    1 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and express this in word and deed?

    2 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    3 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and express this in word and deed?

    4 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    First you dodged a specific question with a generality into which you simply embedded your previous accusation that I/we don’t.

    The level of caring (WHATEVER it is) should be equal.  

    (And if not, why not?)

    And now you’re dodging it by resorting to asking a series of questions of your own.

    Seems to me that, having leveled such accusations, it is incumbent upon you (especially when asked) to specify the standards you use in order to level them.

    Explain.

    EDITED TO ADD:

    Perhaps it would be helpful if you came up with some scenarios. Kinda like what I did earlier in the thread (the spree shooter in a shopping mall).

    It’s been explained to me (on Ricochet) that infrastructure is a legitimate target during war.  And therefore children killed during this destruction of Gaza’s infrastructure are collateral damage and indeed killed but not murdered.

    What about if Hamas destroyed some Israeli infrastructure and some children were killed when they did that?  Do you think that same distinction would be drawn here on Ricochet, or indeed across the West?

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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    There are no Innocent Gazans

     

    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/378933

     

    Innocent civilians?

    Those Gazans voted for Hamas. After every suicide bombing against Israeli civilians, they cheered and gave out candy…as they did after our 9/11.

    The surveys have them supporting Hamas 87 percent. The rest were too busy digging tunnels.

    There are no innocent Gazans.

    Not even 10 as in Sodom, which was destroyed by sulfur and fire when there was no righteousness to be found; only wickedness.

    How’s that for “blinded by rage,” justified.

    Thus, every casualty in Gaza is the responsibility of Hamas and the assorted terrorists who turned lush greenery into garbage and terror cells.

    Hamas started this. Israel must finish this with justified Biblical ferocity.

    I am 100% on board with this. 

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Second attempt (first one was a couple of days ago, in comment #46):

    What do you consider a satisfactory level of “caring for the lives of innocent Gazans”, @ zafar?

    In this instance as much as you care for the lives of innocent Israelis. Sorry I missed your question.

    That’s a dodge, not an answer. Care to try again?

    It’s not a dodge. Let me rephrase it for you.

    1 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and express this in word and deed?

    2 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    3 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and express this in word and deed?

    4 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    First you dodged a specific question with a generality into which you simply embedded your previous accusation that I/we don’t.

    The level of caring (WHATEVER it is) should be equal.

    (And if not, why not?)

    And now you’re dodging it by resorting to asking a series of questions of your own.

    Seems to me that, having leveled such accusations, it is incumbent upon you (especially when asked) to specify the standards you use in order to level them.

    Explain.

    EDITED TO ADD:

    Perhaps it would be helpful if you came up with some scenarios. Kinda like what I did earlier in the thread (the spree shooter in a shopping mall).

    It’s been explained to me (on Ricochet) that infrastructure is a legitimate target during war. And therefore children killed during this destruction of Gaza’s infrastructure are collateral damage and indeed killed but not murdered.

    What about if Hamas destroyed some Israeli infrastructure and some children were killed when they did that? Do you think that same distinction would be drawn here on Ricochet, or indeed across the West?

    You still don’t seem to understand the difference between attacker and attacked.

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  21. Zafar Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    There are no Innocent Gazans

    70% of the population is under 30. Most of them couldn’t have voted for Hamas in 2007.  Many of them weren’t even born then.  Something like 44% are under 16.

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  22. GPentelie Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    There are no Innocent Gazans

    Even, say, 8 year old ones?

     

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  23. Annefy Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    There are no Innocent Gazans

    70% of the population is under 30. Most of them couldn’t have voted for Hamas in 2007. Many of them weren’t even born then. Something like 44% are under 16.

    I’d be curious to know what these under-16 year olds are being taught

    Depending on the answer, and if it’s accurate that Hamas enjoys an 87% approval rating, then I’m at a loss as to any solution. Will the under-16s be as filled with hate as the over 16s are now ?

     

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  24. Steven Seward Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    There are no Innocent Gazans

    70% of the population is under 30. Most of them couldn’t have voted for Hamas in 2007. Many of them weren’t even born then. Something like 44% are under 16.

    And unfortunately they’ve all been raised and conditioned to hate and kill the Jews with a religious fervor.   It almost doesn’t even matter if they voted for Hamas or not.  How much you wanna bet they had plenty of terrorists under the age of 30 carrying out their genocidal attack on Israel on October 7th?   They are some of the most barbaric people on Earth.

    P.S.  I give you  credit for showing up like a man to defend your  position.  That is the opposite of our resident Arizonan Attorney  who, after commenting,  has crawled away into some corner and curled up in the fetal position.

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  25. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    There are no Innocent Gazans

    70% of the population is under 30. Most of them couldn’t have voted for Hamas in 2007. Many of them weren’t even born then. Something like 44% are under 16.

    And unfortunately they’ve all been raised and conditioned to hate and kill the Jews with a religious fervor. It almost doesn’t even matter if they voted for Hamas or not. How much you wanna bet they had plenty of terrorists under the age of 30 carrying out their genocidal attack on Israel on October 7th? They are some of the most barbaric people on Earth.

    P.S. I give you credit for showing up like a man to defend your position. That is the opposite of our resident Arizonan Attorney who, after commenting, has crawled away into some corner and curled up in the fetal position.

    This is the point.

    Sorry, it is what it is. 

     

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  26. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):
    There are no Innocent Gazans

    Even, say, 8 year old ones?

    Those are the worst I guess

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  27. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    “The Allies have killed more Germans in the last week than…”

    You’re contemptible, Jerry, but we knew that.

    “Slaughtered”? No. Bombed, shelled, and shot at, sure. But slaughtered? That implies both that the dead were a) defenseless and b) unsuspecting. Neither is the truth.

    And, no, there aren’t, pratically speaking, many if any “innocent Gazans” since they voted these abominable scum into power and kept them there for 18 years. There may be “good Gazans” in the sense of the “good Germans” during the Nazi era, but where are they? Where`s the Arab General Beck or Admiral Canaris? The Gazan Weiße Rose or even Edelweiß Piraten to stand up to the Obersturmführer and Einsatzgruppenleiter of today? I see no trace. Bomb them and shell them until they ask to unconditionally surrender.

    Repeated ’cause I couldn’t hear you the first time.

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  28. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    GPentelie (View Comment):

    Second attempt (first one was a couple of days ago, in comment #46):

    What do you consider a satisfactory level of “caring for the lives of innocent Gazans”, @ zafar?

    In this instance as much as you care for the lives of innocent Israelis. Sorry I missed your question.

    That’s a dodge, not an answer. Care to try again?

    It’s not a dodge. Let me rephrase it for you.

    1 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and express this in word and deed?

    2 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children EQUALLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    3 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and express this in word and deed?

    4 Should Americans value the lives of innocent Israeli and Gazan children DIFFERENTLY, and NOT express this in word and deed?

    First you dodged a specific question with a generality into which you simply embedded your previous accusation that I/we don’t.

    And now you’re dodging it by resorting to asking a series of questions of your own.

    Seems to me that, having leveled such accusations, it is incumbent upon you (especially when asked) to specify the standards you use in order to level them.

    EDITED TO ADD:

    Perhaps it would be helpful if you came up with some scenarios. Kinda like what I did earlier in the thread (the spree shooter in a shopping mall).

    What’s wrong with answering a question with a question?  At least he phrased them as questions this time.  And he didn’t end them open-endedly and vaguely with … and a ?

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  29. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    There are no Innocent Gazans

    70% of the population is under 30. Most of them couldn’t have voted for Hamas in 2007. Many of them weren’t even born then. Something like 44% are under 16.

    I’d be curious to know what these under-16 year olds are being taught

    Depending on the answer, and if it’s accurate that Hamas enjoys an 87% approval rating, then I’m at a loss as to any solution. Will the under-16s be as filled with hate as the over 16s are now ?

    That’s what I want to know.  People who defend Children suicide bombers as responding to “fear” by turning to “hatred” don’t answer that.

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  30. Zafar Member
    Zafar
    @Zafar

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    There are no Innocent Gazans

    70% of the population is under 30. Most of them couldn’t have voted for Hamas in 2007. Many of them weren’t even born then. Something like 44% are under

    And unfortunately they’ve all been raised and conditioned to hate and kill the Jews with a religious fervor.

    It’s almost as if there wasn’t a secular option on the West Bank delivering the goods.  

    P.S. I give you credit for showing up like a man to defend your position.

    Meh, it’s just an internet chat site.

    Also, I joined Ricochet to understand Conservatives.  So staying around when they are upset and perhaps less guarded is part of my mission statement.

     

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