Four Jan. 6 Defendants’ Suicides – Bloodlust of the Elites?

 

“Evil isn’t the word”: Julie Kelly

This is something of a sequel to my recent post about the wildly excessive sentences handed down to the members of the Proud Boys, “Something Wicked This Way Comes” and is prompted by Julie Kelly’s analysis, Blood Lust, in which she covers one of the most disquieting results of these Star Chamber proceedings – the suicides of some of those charged knowing what the bloodthirsty DOJ and the Federal Court in DC will do to them and their families.

While I wholeheartedly recommend a full and careful reading of Kelly’s excellent reporting, I do so with a caveat: it makes for uncomfortable reading as the examples she cites of some of the reactions of those on the left to the suicide she features but also the sentences handed down to many of the Jan. 6 defendants are, to put it mildly, disturbing and indicative of some very troubled minds.

This is the story of “Jord” Meacham who went to the Capitol on January 6 with his uncle and did something, in Kelly’s words, that deeply offended the ruling class — he demonstrated his support for Donald Trump. He was 19 years old at the time. The FBI agent’s report specifically noted that Jord was carrying a Trump flag, as if that had anything to do with whether or not he should be criminally charged. He was in the Capitol building for a total of ten minutes, assaulted no one, damaged no property. Here is Jord on that fateful day, surely not the picture of an alleged “criminal” as the ghouls of the U.S. Attorney’s office painted him:

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For this, the horrible, dastardly, threat-to-“Our Democracy” crime of “parading” in what many of us were taught and believed, and just to be clear I still believe, is the People’s House, on August 28,  Judge Reggie Walton in Washington scheduled Jord’s arraignment.

That very night Jord ended his life with a shot to the head.

As Kelly notes, Jord was “the sort of person the elites in Washington despise.”

He was one of 10 children, and lived in rural Utah near the Nevada border working on his family’s ranch. Here’s the Meacham family:

Here are the “crimes” with which Jord was to be arraigned for, surely serious and grave enough to have constituted a clear and present danger to “Our Democracy” and certainly could have, at least in the minds of some of the bottom feeders in Washington, led to the overthrow of the entire government:

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Jord Meacham, age 22, was pronounced dead at 9:21 pm on August 28, 2023.

His is the fourth known suicide of a January 6 defendant; here is Julie Kelly’s summary of the others:

… Christopher Stanton Georgia, 53, shot himself in the chest a few days after January 6; he had been arrested and charged with unlawful entry and violating the city’s curfew. Mark Aungst, 47, killed himself in July 2022, a month after pleading guilty to the petty offense of “parading” in the Capitol.

She also sums up what Jord would have faced had he tried (key word considering there has only been one acquittal in the hundreds and hundreds of January 6 cases) to contest the charges; it makes for a grim outlook indeed:

Jord did have his life ahead of him. But in the short term, he and his family would’ve been subjected to ongoing torment inflicted by a cruel and ruthless DOJ. He would’ve been openly berated by a lunatic judge—[U.S. District Judge] Walton accused one man who pleaded guilty to a petty offense of “disgrac[ing] this country in the eyes of the world” and “attack[ing] the government”—in open court. He would’ve been branded a domestic terrorist despite the low-level charges filed against him. He would’ve been hounded by the news media, both local and national.

Such is the fate of every January 6 defendant. And Jord undoubtedly knew the nightmare in front of him.

All of this is ghoulish enough but one reason I decided to write this post was to point out the bizarrely unhinged comments made by some of our – as much as it deeply pains me to have to admit it – fellow American citizens. Here are just a few examples of the despicable things being said about Jord and the other Americans who have been caught up in this most disgraceful chapter in our history:

What kind of soulless monster cheers, for the world to see, a tragedy this horrific?

What kind of potentially dangerous person — “person”? — would openly call a young man like Jord “too cowardly to stand trial” and then proudly proclaim that he was “good with that”?

What rock do these animals live under and what do they signify is happening to the moral fiber of our nation?

If this is not evil, then the word no longer has any real meaning.

I want in the worst kind of way to believe that our country still has a vibrant and bright future and have written in the past about hopeful signs we see all around us, such as Ruby LaRocca, but if “people” like these elect our next President, we may never recover.

Here is a photo of the person who the scum we refer to as “elite” in Washington think was a threat to the continuing existence of the government of the United States of America; they are truly consumed by what Kelly termed “insatiable bloodlust”:

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  1. philo Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

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    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    Interesting that you should use the word “blood lust.” I used those exact words repeatedly in responding to the most infamous post on Ricochet and the blood lust witnessed therein.

    I hope that by now those who exhibited that blood lust in the heat of the moment have repented. But I doubt it.

    Lest it be forgotten:

    Impeachment is not enough. An amendment to the constitution should be enacted creating a carve out to the prohibition on bills of attainder and exiling Trump, his family, staff and most prominent supporters the on pain of death if they return.

    The insurrectionists should be tried for treason fairly and once convicted, executed.

    1/6 is a terrorist attack on our country no less serious than 9/11. All other priorities must be put on hold until the perpetrators are brought to justice.

    More for the current record. The first response to that was:

    Indeed. I would say that this is worse than 9/11.

    Then this:

    Bloodlust has its time and place. This is it.

    and this:

    If you think bloodlust is incompatible with the spirit of liberty and republicanism you don’t know the history of those ideals. … Those who stormed the capitol should face the full penalty for treason…

    and this:

    This was an attempted coup to install a tyrant.

    And…projection being the highly honed progressive tool that it is…check this one out:

    There are also security risks if he is exiled. He will not doubt share military and state secrets with Russia if he chooses to exile himself there. I’m sure he would take bribes, in the form of money or women, from the Chinese to share secrets with them.

    And, as for the rule of law types, this:

    Storming the Capitol during the certification of [electoral] votes all the proof we need of an attempt to seize power. The act bespeaks intent.

    And I still have 31 pages of comments to go…but I think you get the point.

    Yes, pretty much a list of the Democrat spin. Funny, he makes no mention of the long-running coup against President Trump. Who on ricochet is his audience?

     

    I have not come across any moderation notes in this review of the comments yet. Just sayin’…

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  2. Barfly Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    And I still have 31 pages of comments to go…but I think you get the point.

    Yes, pretty much a list of the Democrat spin. Funny, he makes no mention of the long-running coup against President Trump. Who on ricochet is his audience?

    Did you do that on purpose? If so, well done. If not, then you’re running low on self-awareness. Whichever the case, you gave me a good laugh.

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  3. Yarob Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):
    Imputing ignorance or bad faith on my part is not responsive to my assertion that believing you can overturn the results of a US election by staging a riot in response to false claims it was stolen indicates the kind of disordered thinking that might evidence itself in other ways.

    Now there’s a topic I’m interested in.

    You know anything about the illegalities in the 2020 election, Yarob? For example, any idea how many votes might have been illegally cast or counted in the swing states?

    Illegalities? You mean the evidence-free claims that Trump and Trumpists brought to court, losing more than 60 times, often in front of Trump-appointed judges? Those illegalities? Please. Every analysis of the 2020 election, including those conducted by independent organizations, the government, and Republicans (!), has concluded that there was no evidence of fraud or criminality sufficient to have changed the result in any key state.

    Take, for example, Trump’s lies about dead people voting (he claimed 20,000 had done so in PA, 17,000 in MI, and 5,000 in GA), or his claims that Detroit turnout was 139% of registered voters and that 200,000 more votes were counted in PA than there were voters. Each of these fabrications has been meticulously refuted by multiple sources, yet some people (including apparently not a few here on Ricochet), still believe them. Trump and the GOP lost the election fair and square, not only for president but also for the House and the Senate (quite the achievement!). The post-Trump conservative recovery will be easier and quicker if people just accepted the fact.

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  4. Yarob Coolidge
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    I would never cite Wikipedia in an argument since it’s unreliable. Take for example the assertion that GPS started out as a military only system. That’s false.

    Congratulations! You’ve found (I’ll take you at your word) an inaccuracy in a Wikipedia article, one of approximately 6.5 million articles in English (there are tens of millions of additional articles in other languages).

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  5. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Yarob (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):
    Imputing ignorance or bad faith on my part is not responsive to my assertion that believing you can overturn the results of a US election by staging a riot in response to false claims it was stolen indicates the kind of disordered thinking that might evidence itself in other ways.

    Now there’s a topic I’m interested in.

    You know anything about the illegalities in the 2020 election, Yarob? For example, any idea how many votes might have been illegally cast or counted in the swing states?

    Illegalities? You mean the evidence-free claims that Trump and Trumpists brought to court, losing more than 60 times, often in front of Trump-appointed judges? Those illegalities? Please. Every analysis of the 2020 election, including those conducted by independent organizations, the government, and Republicans (!), has concluded that there was no evidence of fraud or criminality sufficient to have changed the result in any key state.

    Take, for example, Trump’s lies about dead people voting (he claimed 20,000 had done so in PA, 17,000 in MI, and 5,000 in GA), or his claims that Detroit turnout was 139% of registered voters and that 200,000 more votes were counted in PA than there were voters. Each of these fabrications has been meticulously refuted by multiple sources, yet some people (including apparently not a few here on Ricochet), still believe them. Trump and the GOP lost the election fair and square, not only for president but also for the House and the Senate (quite the achievement!). The post-Trump conservative recovery will be easier and quicker if people just accepted the fact.

    On please, we already have discussed the “lack of standing ” rather than lack of evidence excuses judges made to not hear cases. Experts are finally getting their chance to testify in court and some interesting things are coming out I predict your talking points won’t age well. 

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  6. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Yarob (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    I would never cite Wikipedia in an argument since it’s unreliable. Take for example the assertion that GPS started out as a military only system. That’s false.

    Congratulations! You’ve found (I’ll take you at your word) an inaccuracy in a Wikipedia article, one of approximately 6.5 million articles in English (there are tens of millions of additional articles in other languages).

    Anyone want to tell him Wikipedia has been busted. I’m wondering if it is worth my time to go back a week or two to find the news.

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
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    Yarob (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):
    Imputing ignorance or bad faith on my part is not responsive to my assertion that believing you can overturn the results of a US election by staging a riot in response to false claims it was stolen indicates the kind of disordered thinking that might evidence itself in other ways.

    Now there’s a topic I’m interested in.

    You know anything about the illegalities in the 2020 election, Yarob? For example, any idea how many votes might have been illegally cast or counted in the swing states?

    Illegalities? You mean the evidence-free claims that Trump and Trumpists brought to court, losing more than 60 times, often in front of Trump-appointed judges?

    Here we go again.

     

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  8. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):
    Imputing ignorance or bad faith on my part is not responsive to my assertion that believing you can overturn the results of a US election by staging a riot in response to false claims it was stolen indicates the kind of disordered thinking that might evidence itself in other ways.

    Now there’s a topic I’m interested in.

    You know anything about the illegalities in the 2020 election, Yarob? For example, any idea how many votes might have been illegally cast or counted in the swing states?

    Illegalities? You mean the evidence-free claims that Trump and Trumpists brought to court, losing more than 60 times, often in front of Trump-appointed judges? Those illegalities? Please. Every analysis of the 2020 election, including those conducted by independent organizations, the government, and Republicans (!), has concluded that there was no evidence of fraud or criminality sufficient to have changed the result in any key state.

    Take, for example, Trump’s lies about dead people voting (he claimed 20,000 had done so in PA, 17,000 in MI, and 5,000 in GA), or his claims that Detroit turnout was 139% of registered voters and that 200,000 more votes were counted in PA than there were voters. Each of these fabrications has been meticulously refuted by multiple sources, yet some people (including apparently not a few here on Ricochet), still believe them. Trump and the GOP lost the election fair and square, not only for president but also for the House and the Senate (quite the achievement!). The post-Trump conservative recovery will be easier and quicker if people just accepted the fact.

    On please, we already have discussed the “lack of standing ” rather than lack of evidence excuses judges made to not hear cases. Experts are finally getting their chance to testify in court and some interesting things are coming out I predict your talking points won’t age well.

    Right. Either “Yarob” knows this and is deliberately lying, or he doesn’t know this and is woefully misinformed by his sources, which appear to be CNN and MSNBC.

    Don’t wade into this fight so poorly-armed, Yarob. The people at Ricochet are far better informed that you appear to be.

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  9. Jim George Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    I would never cite Wikipedia in an argument since it’s unreliable. Take for example the assertion that GPS started out as a military only system. That’s false.

    Congratulations! You’ve found (I’ll take you at your word) an inaccuracy in a Wikipedia article, one of approximately 6.5 million articles in English (there are tens of millions of additional articles in other languages).

    Anyone want to tell him Wikipedia has been busted. I’m wondering if it is worth my time to go back a week or two to find the news.

    Total waste of time! Life’s too short (especially at my age)!

    • #69
  10. Jim George Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):
    Imputing ignorance or bad faith on my part is not responsive to my assertion that believing you can overturn the results of a US election by staging a riot in response to false claims it was stolen indicates the kind of disordered thinking that might evidence itself in other ways.

    Now there’s a topic I’m interested in.

    You know anything about the illegalities in the 2020 election, Yarob? For example, any idea how many votes might have been illegally cast or counted in the swing states?

    Illegalities? You mean the evidence-free claims that Trump and Trumpists brought to court, losing more than 60 times, often in front of Trump-appointed judges? Those illegalities? Please. Every analysis of the 2020 election, including those conducted by independent organizations, the government, and Republicans (!), has concluded that there was no evidence of fraud or criminality sufficient to have changed the result in any key state.

    Take, for example, Trump’s lies about dead people voting (he claimed 20,000 had done so in PA, 17,000 in MI, and 5,000 in GA), or his claims that Detroit turnout was 139% of registered voters and that 200,000 more votes were counted in PA than there were voters. Each of these fabrications has been meticulously refuted by multiple sources, yet some people (including apparently not a few here on Ricochet), still believe them. Trump and the GOP lost the election fair and square, not only for president but also for the House and the Senate (quite the achievement!). The post-Trump conservative recovery will be easier and quicker if people just accepted the fact.

    On please, we already have discussed the “lack of standing ” rather than lack of evidence excuses judges made to not hear cases. Experts are finally getting their chance to testify in court and some interesting things are coming out I predict your talking points won’t age well.

    It’s so easy to argue when all you have to do is cut and paste a bunch of DNC talking points together- saves all that time having to do- well, actual work! 

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  11. Jim George Member
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    @JimGeorge

    What is yarob spelled backwards? 
    Inquiring minds want to know!

    • #71
  12. GrannyDude Member
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    @GrannyDude

    So far, I’ve yet to find a leftist who can explain why the Capitol Police (plus all the other law enforcement personnel on hand) failed so completely to protect the Capitol against what really amounted to a run-of-the-mill riot. No molotov cocktails, no guns, no frozen water bottles, no bricks…all of which, by the way, they’re trained and equipped to handle. So why didn’t they?

     

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  13. GrannyDude Member
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    Along the same lines: I’ve yet to find a leftist, or a Biden Corruption Denier, who can explain why the mainstream media from which they receive their talking points has no interest in investigating what would be, if true, a pretty darned scary situation.

    Let’s assume, for the sake of argument, that Hunter Biden’s laptop, abandoned at a computer repair shop in Delaware, was filled not with evidence of a depraved lifestyle AND political corruption at the highest levels, but was Russian Disinformation, just as the Fifty Nifty Experts declared before the election. (Note: It has been admitted to be authentic, so this is just a test case).

    Surely inquiring minds, of the sort that are supposed to populate the nation’s legacy newsrooms, would want to know how this was done? I know I would, if I was a hot ticket reporter bent on becoming the next Woodward or Bernstein. This would be the spy story of the century, and also the technology and cyber-warfare story of the century. Heck, maybe it would Implicate Trump!!!

    Where did they get the photos of the hookers and coke and of Hunter himself? Were those faked with CGI? The videos too? How did they manage to insert thousands of email exchanges not only into Hunter’s laptop but also into the computers of all those recipients?

    Does the American government also have the ability to pull off so sophisticated and complex a dirty trick? Have we sprinkled  Laptops From Hell around Moscow, or casually deposited a few onto the workbenches of computer repair shops in Bejing?

    And: can Our Democracy ™ henceforth protect our pure and honorable Democratic politicians from such scurrilous high-tech shenanigans?

    Strangely, none of our “journalists” seemed interested in pursuing these fascinating questions at the time.  Why not? 

     

     

     

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  14. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    I would never cite Wikipedia in an argument since it’s unreliable. Take for example the assertion that GPS started out as a military only system. That’s false.

    Congratulations! You’ve found (I’ll take you at your word) an inaccuracy in a Wikipedia article, one of approximately 6.5 million articles in English (there are tens of millions of additional articles in other languages).

    Anyone want to tell him Wikipedia has been busted. I’m wondering if it is worth my time to go back a week or two to find the news.

    Wiki has even been called out by its founder.
    https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/

     

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  15. MarciN Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    I would never cite Wikipedia in an argument since it’s unreliable. Take for example the assertion that GPS started out as a military only system. That’s false.

    Congratulations! You’ve found (I’ll take you at your word) an inaccuracy in a Wikipedia article, one of approximately 6.5 million articles in English (there are tens of millions of additional articles in other languages).

    Anyone want to tell him Wikipedia has been busted. I’m wondering if it is worth my time to go back a week or two to find the news.

    Wiki has even been called out by its founder.
    https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/

    Fascinating. That has been my sense of the situation too for the last three or four years.

    It remains a good starting point for some things. It can give you some search terms that you wouldn’t know otherwise.

    But I notice a lot of left-leaning editing in the pandemic articles. Some have been completely rewritten to spout the CDC’s official positions.

    Glad to have my suspicions confirmed.

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  16. Rightfromthestart Coolidge
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    @Rightfromthestart

    These over the top persecutions of unarmed trespassers has essentially ended the first amendment right to petition for redress without fear of punishment. The left loves to talk about ‘chilling effects’.  

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  17. Richard Easton Coolidge
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    I would never cite Wikipedia in an argument since it’s unreliable. Take for example the assertion that GPS started out as a military only system. That’s false.

    Congratulations! You’ve found (I’ll take you at your word) an inaccuracy in a Wikipedia article, one of approximately 6.5 million articles in English (there are tens of millions of additional articles in other languages).

    Anyone want to tell him Wikipedia has been busted. I’m wondering if it is worth my time to go back a week or two to find the news.

    Wiki has even been called out by its founder.
    https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/

    I’ve been following him for a while on the site I continue to call Twitter.

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  18. Red Herring Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    I would never cite Wikipedia in an argument since it’s unreliable. Take for example the assertion that GPS started out as a military only system. That’s false.

    Congratulations! You’ve found (I’ll take you at your word) an inaccuracy in a Wikipedia article, one of approximately 6.5 million articles in English (there are tens of millions of additional articles in other languages).

    Anyone want to tell him Wikipedia has been busted. I’m wondering if it is worth my time to go back a week or two to find the news.

    Wiki has even been called out by its founder.
    https://nypost.com/2021/07/16/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-is-now-propaganda-for-left-leaning-establishment/

    Fascinating. That has been my sense of the situation too for the last three or four years.

    It remains a good starting point for some things. It can give you some search terms that you wouldn’t know otherwise.

    But I notice a lot of left-leaning editing in the pandemic articles. Some have been completely rewritten to spout the CDC’s official positions.

    Glad to have my suspicions confirmed.

    Wasn’t an accident.

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  19. Saint Augustine Member
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    Yarob (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):
    Imputing ignorance or bad faith on my part is not responsive to my assertion that believing you can overturn the results of a US election by staging a riot in response to false claims it was stolen indicates the kind of disordered thinking that might evidence itself in other ways.

    Now there’s a topic I’m interested in.

    You know anything about the illegalities in the 2020 election, Yarob? For example, any idea how many votes might have been illegally cast or counted in the swing states?

    Illegalities? You mean the evidence-free claims that Trump and Trumpists brought to court, losing more than 60 times, often in front of Trump-appointed judges? Those illegalities?

    No, I mean the ones I’ve analyzed myself . . . or, at least, they would make a good start. I suggest you read me, and find the mistakes if you can. But if you can’t, then I suggest you change your mind or at least have the wisdom to hold your tongue.

    Here is a nice, easy first step into a larger world, and I think you’ll find that it was confirmed in court and did indeed apply to illegally counted votes well exceeding the Biden margin of victory in a swing state:

    https://ricochet.com/1215648/teigen-v-wisconsin-elections-commission-2/

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  20. Jim George Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):
    Imputing ignorance or bad faith on my part is not responsive to my assertion that believing you can overturn the results of a US election by staging a riot in response to false claims it was stolen indicates the kind of disordered thinking that might evidence itself in other ways.

    Now there’s a topic I’m interested in.

    You know anything about the illegalities in the 2020 election, Yarob? For example, any idea how many votes might have been illegally cast or counted in the swing states?

    Illegalities? You mean the evidence-free claims that Trump and Trumpists brought to court, losing more than 60 times, often in front of Trump-appointed judges? Those illegalities?

    No, I mean the ones I’ve analyzed myself . . . at least for a start. Read me, and find the mistakes if you can. But if you can’t, then change your mind or at least have the wisdom to hold your tongue.

    Here is a nice, easy first step into a larger world, and I think you’ll find that it was confirmed in court and did indeed apply to illegally counted votes well exceeding the Biden margin of victory in a swing state:

    https://ricochet.com/1215648/teigen-v-wisconsin-elections-commission-2/

    Bravo! If only your efforts were worth it. I only wish I could be more optimistic.

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  21. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Yarob (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    I would never cite Wikipedia in an argument since it’s unreliable. Take for example the assertion that GPS started out as a military only system. That’s false.

    Congratulations! You’ve found (I’ll take you at your word) an inaccuracy in a Wikipedia article, one of approximately 6.5 million articles in English (there are tens of millions of additional articles in other languages).

    Phillip Roth, the New York Times’ best selling novelist, went ahead and corrected information someone had submitted to his wikipedia entry regarding his autobiographical information.

    Roth was admonished by the Wiki staff that due to his not being an academic who had written on the subject of Phillip Roth, his entry would be deleted. Say what? (I mean, if a human being is not an expert on the details of their own life, then just who would be?)

    Wikipedia has its place. I use it to assess the history of many different music groups when trying to remember what album a specific song appeared on, so i can then get the CD on Amazon or E Bay.

    Wikipedia is also very good as far as noting the approximate population of cities and towns across the globe.

    It is good for sports scores.

    But for political matters it sucks and sucks big time. For discussions relating to conservative personalities, it sucks.

    For subjects that are total inventions by the WEF/Leftie crowd, such as global crisis matters, it sucks. Also sucks in  laying out the situation with COVID, with COVID vaccines and statistics relating to injuries and fatalities of the COV vax situation.

     

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  22. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Yarob (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    I would never cite Wikipedia in an argument since it’s unreliable. Take for example the assertion that GPS started out as a military only system. That’s false.

    Congratulations! You’ve found (I’ll take you at your word) an inaccuracy in a Wikipedia article, one of approximately 6.5 million articles in English (there are tens of millions of additional articles in other languages).

    Phillip Roth, the New York Times’ best selling novelist, went ahead and corrected information someone had submitted to his wikipedia entry regarding his autobiographical information.

    Roth was admonished by the Wiki staff that due to his not being an academic who had written on the subject of Phillip Roth, his entry would be deleted. Say what? (I mean, if a human being is not an expert on the details of their own life, then just who would be?)

    Wikipedia has its place. I use it to assess the history of many different music groups when trying to remember what album a specific song appeared on, so i can then get the CD on Amazon or E Bay.

    Wikipedia is also very good as far as noting the approximate population of cities and towns across the globe.

    It is good for sports scores.

    But for political matters it sucks and sucks big time. For discussions relating to conservative personalities, it sucks.

    For subjects that are total inventions by the WEF/Leftie crowd, such as global crisis matters, it sucks. Also sucks in laying out the situation with COVID, with COVID vaccines and statistics relating to injuries and fatalities of the COV vax situation.

     

    https://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/an-open-letter-to-wikipedia

     

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  23. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    Further research by Sanger concluded that intelligence agencies sought to further their agendas either by paying influential individuals or by developing personnel within their ranks to manipulate Wikipedia content.

     

    https://dailypresser.com/theoneadmin/wikipedia-co-founder-says-site-hijacked-by-us-intelligence-for-info-warfare/

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  24. GrannyDude Member
    GrannyDude
    @GrannyDude

    Are there any J6 defendants that ought not to be pardoned once I’m president? Just wondering…

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  25. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Are there any J6 defendants that ought not to be pardoned once I’m president? Just wondering…

    Pardon the guy with the antlers. He showed us how easy it is to get lefties to pee their pants, eliminating the need to resort to violence to get their attention. I’m all for pardoning those who offer a peaceful way forward.

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  26. GrannyDude Member
    GrannyDude
    @GrannyDude

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Are there any J6 defendants that ought not to be pardoned once I’m president? Just wondering…

    Pardon the guy with the antlers. He showed us how easy it is to get lefties to pee their parts, eliminating the need to resort to violence to get their attention. I’m all for pardoning those who offer a peaceful way forward.

    Oh, I’m inclined to pardon all of them. Antler guy, Proud Boys, the whole Gulag-full.  I just wondered if there was anyone I should leave out. Once, y’know, I’m sitting in the Oval Office. 

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  27. TheRightNurse, radiant figure of feminine kindness Member
    TheRightNurse, radiant figure of feminine kindness
    @TheRightNurse

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    I’d add to this—and to the OP—that three police officers involved that day also committed suicide in the weeks following, something that Nancy Pelosi et al used to make it sound like the riot killed them. In fact, no police officers died as a result of action by the rioters, at least one of the five deaths that day was caused directly by police action (an unarmed woman shot dead by a police officer). 

     

    That is very correct.  As I have elaborated in a previous post.  The only person who killed in the events of Jan 6th was Ashli Babbitt.  That is all.  No one else.

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  28. Jim George Member
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    @JimGeorge

    TheRightNurse, radiant figure … (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    I’d add to this—and to the OP—that three police officers involved that day also committed suicide in the weeks following, something that Nancy Pelosi et al used to make it sound like the riot killed them. In fact, no police officers died as a result of action by the rioters, at least one of the five deaths that day was caused directly by police action (an unarmed woman shot dead by a police officer).

     

    That is very correct. As I have elaborated in a previous post. The only person who killed in the events of Jan 6th was Ashli Babbitt. That is all. No one else.

    Ashli Babbitt was murdered; I do not say that lightly but as one who decided to study the matter as thoroughly as I possibly could with documents then available and, based on that research, I published a post entitled “The Mindless, Heartless Execution of Ashli Babbitt And the death of her grief-stricken German Shepherd when she never returned” on August 6, 2021. For those who may wish to peruse the post it is accessible here. It received 37 likes and 108  comments but was never promoted to the main page for reasons I, and others, can only speculate about. However, while noting, as I must, that doing a lot of deep research into any topic does not in any way whatsoever guarantee the accuracy of one’s views, I believed strongly then and even more strongly now that she was murdered in both the legal sense of the word and the common sense understanding of the word. I will also note that Ashli is on my evening prayer list every single night, without fail. I feel very strongly that the free pass given to Lt. Byrd was one of the darkest stains on our system of justice in its history, only to be worsened by the absolutely cruel and unususal punishments meted out to the Jan 6 defendants about which I have also written not only here but here.  As one who spent almost all of his adult life in the law, it is painful for me to see the carnage and destruction this administration and its rotten-to-the-core Department of Justice are doing to the American Rule of Law and with these posts I am doing one of the few things I have left I can do to try as best I can to let the world know the real facts behind some of these atrocities, not the narrative. 

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    Are there any J6 defendants that ought not to be pardoned once I’m president? Just wondering…

    Pardon the guy with the antlers. He showed us how easy it is to get lefties to pee their parts, eliminating the need to resort to violence to get their attention. I’m all for pardoning those who offer a peaceful way forward.

    Oh, I’m inclined to pardon all of them. Antler guy, Proud Boys, the whole Gulag-full. I just wondered if there was anyone I should leave out. Once, y’know, I’m sitting in the Oval Office.

    Merrick Garland. Liz Cheney. Adam Schiff. Adam Kinzinger. James Comey. James Clapper. Hillary Clinton. . . . I’ll come up with more, I’m sure.

    Let them rot.

    Add to that, the murders of Ashli Babbitt and Roseanne Boyland.

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    TheRightNurse, radiant figure … (View Comment):

    GrannyDude (View Comment):

    I’d add to this—and to the OP—that three police officers involved that day also committed suicide in the weeks following, something that Nancy Pelosi et al used to make it sound like the riot killed them. In fact, no police officers died as a result of action by the rioters, at least one of the five deaths that day was caused directly by police action (an unarmed woman shot dead by a police officer).

    That is very correct. As I have elaborated in a previous post. The only person who killed in the events of Jan 6th was Ashli Babbitt. That is all. No one else.

    Roseanne Boyland. Beaten by cops, then trampled to death.

    The Deep State initially claimed she died of a drug overdose, but that’s just a cover-up.

    In April, the D.C. Medical Examiner’s office claimed Boyland died of “accidental acute amphetamine intoxication.” Boyland reportedly used Adderall, a drug commonly used to treat attention deficit disorders that contains amphetamines. Fatal Adderall overdoses are rare; Boyland would have had to ingest roughly 25 times her standard dose to die from it.

    Aside from the unlikelihood Boyland overdosed on her daily medicine while actively participating in a day-long political rally, recently released footage and firsthand accounts contradict the coroner’s report. “There are still many questions about exactly what happened to her,” Rosanne’s aunt, Cheryl Boyland, wrote in a GiveSendGo post.

    Videos show her being beaten by a female officer after being crushed by protesters pushed by police.  Yet the D.C. Medical Examiner said Rosanne’s body showed no signs of trauma, and attributed her death to the prescription medication she took every day for years. According to videos and statements, Rosanne was dragged unconscious through the west tunnel by the police at 4:31 PM.  Then she was taken to the crypt and to the House Majority Leader’s office before EMTs arrived at 5:45 PM, finding her inside the rotunda being given CPR by Capitol police.

    Further, both the Medical Examiner’s office and D.C. Metropolitan Police Department continue to refuse to release pertinent information related to her death. Boyland’s mother told the Gateway Pundit that the coroner is withholding her full autopsy report; D.C. police have denied numerous requests for body-worn camera footage, claiming the recordings are part of an “ongoing investigation and criminal proceeding.

    More rage-inducing facts at the link above.

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