The More You Know: Tippecanoe and Tyler Who(‘s your daddy?)

 

A Tippy Canoe

There exist a number of temporal facts that bend the mind. For example, when Cleopatra looked at the Great Pyramid, its origin was as far back in time to her as her reign is to our lives today. The pyramids predated Cleo by about 2,500 years. She predates us by just over 2,000 years. In fact, while the Sphinx was built, circa 2500 BC, it was subsequently excavated approximately 1,000 years later and dug out of the sand by Rameses II the Great. At that time, there was no memory of who had built it.

Which brings me to today’s mind-bender. When President John Tyler was born in 1790, President Washington had nine years left to live. When Thomas Jefferson died, Tyler was almost 40 years old. Well, Mr. Tyler had a child who had a child, a grandchild if you will. When might this grandchild have passed on to the great beyond? When did this youngster, who could easily have bragged, “My grandfather was the 10th president of the United States and regularly chatted with the founding fathers,” skip the bonds of earthly existence? When indeed? 1890? 1920?

Answer: Never. Born in 1928, Harrison Ruffin Tyler is currently 94 years old, and resides in the enduring homeland of the Tyler clan – the state of Virginia. That’s right, just like Navy Joan Biden, Harrison can brag of a president grandfather. Interesting fact, only one president grandfather swears he was arrested trying to visit George Washington in a South African jail.

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  1. philo Member
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    Jack Mantle: Born in 1928, Harrison Ruffin Tyler is currently ninety-four years old, and resides in the enduring homeland of the Tyler clan – the state of Virginia.

    A few years back when we had this discussion, I believe there were still two grandsons left. 

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  2. Jack Mantle Coolidge
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    philo (View Comment):

    Jack Mantle: Born in 1928, Harrison Ruffin Tyler is currently ninety-four years old, and resides in the enduring homeland of the Tyler clan – the state of Virginia.

    A few years back when we had this discussion, I believe there were still two grandsons left.

    Well, there is one left now.  And they are not making any more.

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  3. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    @danok1

    Jack Mantle: When President John Tyler was born in 1790, President Washington had nine years left to live.  When Thomas Jefferson left office, Tyler was almost 30 years old.

    Pedantic point: Unless someone changed the rules of arithmetic when I wasn’t looking, Tyler was 19 when Tommy J left office in 1809.

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  4. Jack Mantle Coolidge
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Jack Mantle: When President John Tyler was born in 1790, President Washington had nine years left to live. When Thomas Jefferson left office, Tyler was almost 30 years old.

    Pedantic point: Unless someone changed the rules of arithmetic when I wasn’t looking, Tyler was 19 when Tommy J left office in 1809.

    You are correct.  I have corrected it to refer to TJ’s death in 1826.

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  5. Miffed White Male Member
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    Jack Mantle: There exist a number of temporal facts that bend the mind.  For example, when Cleopatra looked at the Great Pyramid, its origin was as far back in time to her as her reign is to our lives today.  The pyramids predated Cleo by about 2500 years.  She predates us by just over a thousand years.  In fact, while the Sphinx was built circa 2500 BC, it was subsequently excavated approximately a thousand years later and dug out of the sand by Ramses II the Great.  At that time, there was no memory of who had built it.

    My personal favorite of these is that it is more historically accurate to create an illustration of a T-Rex using an iphone than it is to create an illustration of a T Rex interacting with a Stegosaurus.    [T-Rexes lived 65-ish million years ago, Stegosauruses 150 million…] 

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  6. Jack Mantle Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Jack Mantle: There exist a number of temporal facts that bend the mind. For example, when Cleopatra looked at the Great Pyramid, its origin was as far back in time to her as her reign is to our lives today. The pyramids predated Cleo by about 2500 years. She predates us by just over a thousand years. In fact, while the Sphinx was built circa 2500 BC, it was subsequently excavated approximately a thousand years later and dug out of the sand by Ramses II the Great. At that time, there was no memory of who had built it.

    My personal favorite of these is that it is more historically accurate to create an illustration of a T-Rex using an iphone than it is to create an illustration of a T Rex interacting with a Stegosaurus. [T-Rexes lived 65-ish million years ago, Stegosauruses 150 million…]

    Although, the T Rex/iPhone interaction is hobbled by the lack of opposable thumbs in a way that does not plague the Stegosaurus rough housing.

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  7. Miffed White Male Member
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    Jack Mantle (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Jack Mantle: There exist a number of temporal facts that bend the mind. For example, when Cleopatra looked at the Great Pyramid, its origin was as far back in time to her as her reign is to our lives today. The pyramids predated Cleo by about 2500 years. She predates us by just over a thousand years. In fact, while the Sphinx was built circa 2500 BC, it was subsequently excavated approximately a thousand years later and dug out of the sand by Ramses II the Great. At that time, there was no memory of who had built it.

    My personal favorite of these is that it is more historically accurate to create an illustration of a T-Rex using an iphone than it is to create an illustration of a T Rex interacting with a Stegosaurus. [T-Rexes lived 65-ish million years ago, Stegosauruses 150 million…]

    Although, the T Rex/iPhone interaction is hobbled by the lack of opposable thumbs in a way that does not plague the Stegosaurus rough housing.

    That’s what Siri is for.

     

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  8. Mark Camp Member
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    Jack Mantle: She predates us by just over a thousand years.

    You are right, it has always seemed like a lot longer.

    (I tried to send you a suggested edit PM on this but gave up after a bunch of frustrating experiences with Ricochet’s creatively designed and non-judgmentally tested user interface.  So I am cleverly giving a hint of a suggested edit in the first line of this message that I hope only you can decrypt. ;-)

    Cheers and Willkommen in Rikochet.

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  9. Jack Mantle Coolidge
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Jack Mantle: She predates us by just over a thousand years.

    You are right, it has always seemed like a lot longer.

    (I tried to send you a suggested edit PM on this but gave up after a bunch of frustrating experiences with Ricochet’s creatively designed and non-judgmentally tested user interface. So I am cleverly giving a hint of a suggested edit in the first line of this message that I hope only you can decrypt. ;-)

    Cheers and Willkommen in Rikochet.

    Yipes.  You are right.  2000 years.  Thanks.

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  10. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    Jack Mantle: She predates us by just over a thousand years.

    You are right, it has always seemed like a lot longer.

    (I tried to send you a suggested edit PM on this but gave up after a bunch of frustrating experiences with Ricochet’s creatively designed-and-tested user interface. So I am cleverly imbedding a suggested edit in this message that I hope only you can decrypt. ;-)

    No, Cleopatra predates us by about 2,000 years.

    The main point remains correct — the time that passed between the Pyramids and Cleopatra is comparable to the time that passed between Cleopatra and us.

    There is a “Phantom Time Hypothesis” claiming that about 300 years were inserted into our historical timeline, lengthening the period of the Roman Empire.  I don’t find it convincing, though it is interesting.  Even if true, Cleopatra would still be over 1,700 years before us.

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  11. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    There is a “Phantom Time Hypothesis” claiming that about 300 years were inserted into our historical timeline, lengthening the period of the Roman Empire.  I don’t find it convincing, though it is interesting. 

    I have never heard of this. Now I gotta check it out. Weird and interesting. Thank Jerry! I mean that!

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  12. Gary McVey Contributor
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    My wife and I are the same age and frequently notice how history, and pop culture markers, sometimes have a surprise or two.  We listen to a radio station that brags about their Eighties music (34-43 years old now) and note that in actual, say, 1982 I don’t recall that music radio was obsessed with hits from 1939-1948. 

    I remember the week that Star Wars opened in 1977. 46 years ago. That’s now nearly halfway back to the beginning of sound films. 

    Just after the turn of the century, I saw an article (probably in National Review) that pointed out that Ronald Reagan’s inauguration (1981) was now closer to JFK’s time than to ours. That doesn’t seem so surprising now, but 20 years ago it was. 

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  13. Mark Camp Member
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    Jack Mantle (View Comment):

    Yipes. You are right. 2000 years. Thanks.

    Shhh!  Other people can hear you!

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  14. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    @danok1

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    My wife and I are the same age and frequently notice how history, and pop culture markers, sometimes have a surprise or two. We listen to a radio station that brags about their Eighties music (34-43 years old now) and note that in actual, say, 1982 I don’t recall that music radio was obsessed with hits from 1939-1948.

    I remember the week that Star Wars opened in 1977. 46 years ago. That’s now nearly halfway back to the beginning of sound films.

    Just after the turn of the century, I saw an article (probably in National Review) that pointed out that Ronald Reagan’s inauguration (1981) was now closer to JFK’s time than to ours. That doesn’t seem so surprising now, but 20 years ago it was.

    And Joe Biden’s birth was closer to the end of the Civil War than it is to today.

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  15. Miffed White Male Member
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    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    My wife and I are the same age and frequently notice how history, and pop culture markers, sometimes have a surprise or two. We listen to a radio station that brags about their Eighties music (34-43 years old now) and note that in actual, say, 1982 I don’t recall that music radio was obsessed with hits from 1939-1948.

    I remember the week that Star Wars opened in 1977. 46 years ago. That’s now nearly halfway back to the beginning of sound films.

    Just after the turn of the century, I saw an article (probably in National Review) that pointed out that Ronald Reagan’s inauguration (1981) was now closer to JFK’s time than to ours. That doesn’t seem so surprising now, but 20 years ago it was.

    Next June we’ll be as far from Reagan’s “These are the boys of Point Du Hoc” speech on the 40th anniversary of D-Day, as that speech was from D-Day itself.

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  16. Arahant Member
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):
    There is a “Phantom Time Hypothesis” claiming that about 300 years were inserted into our historical timeline, lengthening the period of the Roman Empire. I don’t find it convincing, though it is interesting.

    I have never heard of this. Now I gotta check it out. Weird and interesting. Thank Jerry! I mean that!

    One of my favorite debunkers:

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  17. OldPhil Coolidge
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    “Both my grandfather — the president — and my father, were married twice. And they had children by their first wives. And their first wives died, and they married again and had more children. And my father was 75 when I was born, his father was 63 when he was born,” Harrison Tyler explained to New York Magazine in 2012.

    I’ve always had my doubts about this. Fathering children at 63 and then 75? Yeah, it’s possible, but maybe they should have checked out the milkman (men)?

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  18. Charlotte Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    “Both my grandfather — the president — and my father, were married twice. And they had children by their first wives. And their first wives died, and they married again and had more children. And my father was 75 when I was born, his father was 63 when he was born,” Harrison Tyler explained to New York Magazine in 2012.

    I’ve always had my doubts about this. Fathering children at 63 and then 75? Yeah, it’s possible, but maybe they should have checked out the milkman (men)?

    Al Pacino would like a word with you.

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  19. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    “Both my grandfather — the president — and my father, were married twice. And they had children by their first wives. And their first wives died, and they married again and had more children. And my father was 75 when I was born, his father was 63 when he was born,” Harrison Tyler explained to New York Magazine in 2012.

    I’ve always had my doubts about this. Fathering children at 63 and then 75? Yeah, it’s possible, but maybe they should have checked out the milkman (men)?

    Al Pacino would like a word with you.

    I’m not sure a Like was the proper response.

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  20. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    Jack Mantle (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Jack Mantle: Born in 1928, Harrison Ruffin Tyler is currently ninety-four years old, and resides in the enduring homeland of the Tyler clan – the state of Virginia.

    A few years back when we had this discussion, I believe there were still two grandsons left.

    Well, there is one left now. And they are not making any more.

    What.  You don’t believe in science?

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  21. Charlotte Member
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    Globalitarian Misanthropist (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    “Both my grandfather — the president — and my father, were married twice. And they had children by their first wives. And their first wives died, and they married again and had more children. And my father was 75 when I was born, his father was 63 when he was born,” Harrison Tyler explained to New York Magazine in 2012.

    I’ve always had my doubts about this. Fathering children at 63 and then 75? Yeah, it’s possible, but maybe they should have checked out the milkman (men)?

    Al Pacino would like a word with you.

    I’m not sure a Like was the proper response.

    We need an Ew button for this post.

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  22. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Jack Mantle: There exist a number of temporal facts that bend the mind. For example, when Cleopatra looked at the Great Pyramid, its origin was as far back in time to her as her reign is to our lives today. The pyramids predated Cleo by about 2500 years. She predates us by just over a thousand years. In fact, while the Sphinx was built circa 2500 BC, it was subsequently excavated approximately a thousand years later and dug out of the sand by Ramses II the Great. At that time, there was no memory of who had built it.

    My personal favorite of these is that it is more historically accurate to create an illustration of a T-Rex using an iphone than it is to create an illustration of a T Rex interacting with a Stegosaurus. [T-Rexes lived 65-ish million years ago, Stegosauruses 150 million…]

    You know how hard a stegosaurus was to ride?

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  23. Arahant Member
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    Globalitarian Misanthropist (View Comment):

    You know how hard a stegosaurus was to ride?

    Kind of had to go side-saddle with the opposing plates.

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  24. Miffed White Male Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    “Both my grandfather — the president — and my father, were married twice. And they had children by their first wives. And their first wives died, and they married again and had more children. And my father was 75 when I was born, his father was 63 when he was born,” Harrison Tyler explained to New York Magazine in 2012.

    I’ve always had my doubts about this. Fathering children at 63 and then 75? Yeah, it’s possible, but maybe they should have checked out the milkman (men)?

    Al Pacino would like a word with you.

    Tony Randall too.

     

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  25. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    “Both my grandfather — the president — and my father, were married twice. And they had children by their first wives. And their first wives died, and they married again and had more children. And my father was 75 when I was born, his father was 63 when he was born,” Harrison Tyler explained to New York Magazine in 2012.

    I’ve always had my doubts about this. Fathering children at 63 and then 75? Yeah, it’s possible, but maybe they should have checked out the milkman (men)?

    Al Pacino would like a word with you.

    Tony Randall too.

    Don’t know if this was mentioned.  De Niro became a father again at 79.

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  26. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Globalitarian Misanthropist (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    “Both my grandfather — the president — and my father, were married twice. And they had children by their first wives. And their first wives died, and they married again and had more children. And my father was 75 when I was born, his father was 63 when he was born,” Harrison Tyler explained to New York Magazine in 2012.

    I’ve always had my doubts about this. Fathering children at 63 and then 75? Yeah, it’s possible, but maybe they should have checked out the milkman (men)?

    Al Pacino would like a word with you.

    Tony Randall too.

    Don’t know if this was mentioned. De Niro became a father again at 79.

    Sorry, I’d need to see a DNA test.

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  27. Skyler Coolidge
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    @Skyler

    I’m missing the connection to Biden.  What is that about?

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  28. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    I was born (1963) closer to WWI than we are now to WWII.

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  29. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    I met with a friend in Spain and she was showing me around.  The place was this many centuries old, that place another centuries old.  

    One time she was showing me a building that was 500 years old, and I told her how amazing that was.  “It is only five people ago,” was her response.

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