Someone at DOJ Hates America

 

Well, actually, we know it’s Merrick Garland, but this story shows it is so much more. “DOJ sues SpaceX for hiring discrimination: The lawsuit claims that SpaceX discouraged refugees and asylees from applying.” So, Elon Musk requires a green card and this is a bad thing.

In a lawsuit filed on Wednesday, the DOJ claims that, from at least September 2018 to May 2022, SpaceX discouraged refugees and asylees from applying to the company “by wrongly stating that SpaceX can only hire U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents.”

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The lawsuit indicates that SpaceX has been on the DOJ’s radar for some time. In May 2020, the DOJ’s Immigrant and Employee Rights Section (IER) opened an investigation into whether SpaceX was discriminating against potential hires based on citizenship or immigration status.

If giving access to our best space technology is a right of people who show up on our borders unsought out for their skill and expertise, then the inmates are truly running the asylum and have been for some time.

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  1. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    Of course, he became a target only after he acquired Twitter.

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  2. Stina Inactive
    Stina
    @CM

    SpaceX in Florida uses the same facilities as NASA and the Cape Air Force Base. Some of the equipment is housed in the same warehouses.

    We have to supply our kids’ social security numbers to get access for family day. I can’t help but think the requirements are because the base is heavily secured.

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  3. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Stina (View Comment):

    SpaceX in Florida uses the same facilities as NASA and the Cape Air Force Base. Some of the equipment is housed in the same warehouses.

    We have to supply our kids’ social security numbers to get access for family day. I can’t help but think the requirements are because the base is heavily secured.

    Yes the facilities are most likely facilities that need full on, top to bottom security.

    But Americans need to0 wake up and realize that right now, if a person is not here legally, especially if they have suffered from the UN’s categories of being an economic refugee from a developing nation, a climate change refugee or any of a host of other categories demanding we whites pay retribution for, and especially if they are of a suitable, non-racist skin color, then it is very very racist to expect any of these individuals to be held to any  of the standards that have traditionally been applied to us American citizens.

    No matter what or why the standards had been enacted!

    It’s now called DEI. (Also formerly known as Agenda 2021.)

    Starting in the mid 1980’s in California, this agenda  started to destroy any semblance of rational operating policies for social services offices, hospital and nursing agencies and for most  schools.

    By the time I left the San Francisco Bay area in 2005, the people working in our hospitals were people who had gone through diploma mills for their nursing assistant licenses,and possibly nursing licenses as well.

    Since COV, it has come out that in Calif there are companies that do nothing but supply certificates for medical licensing requirements. This is perhaps why while in the health field, I would see a co worker pick up a mound of diarrhea and throw it in the trash, using their bare hands, and go back to whatever they had been doing earlier – while only spending 6 seconds running water over their dirty hands.

    If I complained, I was a racist.

    Nothing matters except that we conform on every level  to the valuable  UN protocols, to allow in a suitable number of replacement people so that we actual citizens can be removed from having a voice in anything.

    Again this is Agenda 2021, which Nancy Pelosi as a much younger Congress woman declared was  of utmost importance. She also declared that many of our top agencies, including our military, were most eager to embrace this agenda. She first declared this on the floor of Congress  in 1992.

    While announcing all this, she indicated the important role that the United Nations would be taking   in overseeing the application of the necessary policies. (I’ll upload the 90 second video later today.)

     

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  4. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    This was filmed  in 1992, with Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi laying out the important reasons to embrace what many people still see as  the “conspiracy theorists’ notion” that the UN needs to have a role in American life, and that the environment and other global causes are to supercede old fashioned ideas like our national sovereignty:

    https://youtu.be/Qwjc8EdkVP4

     

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  5. Mackinder Coolidge
    Mackinder
    @Mackinder

    U.S. aerospace companies are required by U.S. law to prevent people who are not U.S. citizens or “U.S. persons” from accessing export-controlled technical data. Because of this, most (granted, not all) jobs at these companies require citizenship or green-card-holder status. At most aerospace companies, even administrative and facilities staff have access to such material (in many cases, just seeing what a piece of specialized machinery looks like, or the particular configuration of a factory floor, or overhearing a conversation about an engineering issue,  is considered export-controlled and therefore restricted to citizens/U.S. persons). Unless, and this may prove to be the case, SpaceX was preventing non-citizens from applying for jobs that had no possible exposure to technical information (for example landscape services outside the building, working at the gift shop in the visitor area, conducting tours in publicly-approved areas, etc.), then this suit is troubling.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Mackinder (View Comment):

    U.S. aerospace companies are required by U.S. law to prevent people who are not U.S. citizens or “U.S. persons” from accessing export-controlled technical data. Because of this, most (granted, not all) jobs at these companies require citizenship or green-card-holder status. At most aerospace companies, even administrative and facilities staff have access to such material (in many cases, just seeing what a piece of specialized machinery looks like, or the particular configuration of a factory floor, or overhearing a conversation about an engineering issue, is considered export-controlled and therefore restricted to citizens/U.S. persons). Unless, and this may prove to be the case, SpaceX was preventing non-citizens from applying for jobs that had no possible exposure to technical information (for example landscape services outside the building, working at the gift shop in the visitor area, conducting tours in publicly-approved areas, etc.), then this suit is troubling.

    Troubling?  If they’re just following the law, it needs to be dismissed “with prejudice” and with maybe Garland paying for SpaceX’s lawyers out of his own pocket.

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  7. Mackinder Coolidge
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    @Mackinder

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Mackinder (View Comment):

    U.S. aerospace companies are required by U.S. law to prevent people who are not U.S. citizens or “U.S. persons” from accessing export-controlled technical data. Because of this, most (granted, not all) jobs at these companies require citizenship or green-card-holder status. At most aerospace companies, even administrative and facilities staff have access to such material (in many cases, just seeing what a piece of specialized machinery looks like, or the particular configuration of a factory floor, or overhearing a conversation about an engineering issue, is considered export-controlled and therefore restricted to citizens/U.S. persons). Unless, and this may prove to be the case, SpaceX was preventing non-citizens from applying for jobs that had no possible exposure to technical information (for example landscape services outside the building, working at the gift shop in the visitor area, conducting tours in publicly-approved areas, etc.), then this suit is troubling.

    Troubling? If they’re just following the law, it needs to be dismissed “with prejudice” and with maybe Garland paying for SpaceX’s lawyers out of his own pocket.

    Point taken – “troubling” was a mild choice of word.

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  8. Metalheaddoc Member
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    @Metalheaddoc

    Question for the lawyers…Is there such a thing as malicious prosecution? This smacks of it. 

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    Metalheaddoc (View Comment):

    Question for the lawyers…Is there such a thing as malicious prosecution? This smacks of it.

    That, and the Georgia/Willis indictment of Trump.  Most if not all of those charges are pre-empted on a federal level.  Ms Willis should have to pay Trump’s lawyers and his other expenses from her own pocket.

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  10. Jim McConnell Member
    Jim McConnell
    @JimMcConnell

    It seems reasonable from Merrick Garland’s perspective; it’s in contravention of the Biden Administration’s open-borders policy.

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  11. Charlotte Member
    Charlotte
    @Charlotte

    Mackinder (View Comment):

    U.S. aerospace companies are required by U.S. law to prevent people who are not U.S. citizens or “U.S. persons” from accessing export-controlled technical data. Because of this, most (granted, not all) jobs at these companies require citizenship or green-card-holder status. At most aerospace companies, even administrative and facilities staff have access to such material (in many cases, just seeing what a piece of specialized machinery looks like, or the particular configuration of a factory floor, or overhearing a conversation about an engineering issue, is considered export-controlled and therefore restricted to citizens/U.S. persons). Unless, and this may prove to be the case, SpaceX was preventing non-citizens from applying for jobs that had no possible exposure to technical information (for example landscape services outside the building, working at the gift shop in the visitor area, conducting tours in publicly-approved areas, etc.), then this suit is troubling.

    Independent of US laws regarding aerospace security, can’t a private company just, you know, decide on its own that it will only hire US citizens and legal residents?

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  12. James Lileks Contributor
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    Mackinder (View Comment):
    Unless, and this may prove to be the case, SpaceX was preventing non-citizens from applying for jobs that had no possible exposure to technical information (for example landscape services outside the building, working at the gift shop in the visitor area, conducting tours in publicly-approved areas, etc.), then this suit is troubling.

    The suit mentions “cooks” and “baristas” among the jobs SpaceX declined to offer to people who are not citizens or lawful permanent residents.

    This is how the Nuremberg Laws started, people!

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  13. Mackinder Coolidge
    Mackinder
    @Mackinder
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  14. Mackinder Coolidge
    Mackinder
    @Mackinder
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  15. ctlaw Coolidge
    ctlaw
    @ctlaw

    IIRC, there has long been an exemption for “designated asylees”. I believe that was the specific term used many years ago.

    The big problem is hyper-aggressive enforcement, and use of bogus fictions.

    Whatever the list of exceptions are, the current government policy appears to be to not even let you identify them correctly.

    A while back, you were basically allowed only to state that the job required the applicant to be eligible to receive deemed exports of export – controlled information. The applicant would have to decide for him or herself on eligibility.

    But now, that may be an issue .

    Before the government completely devalued, the status of asylee , they were questioning companies’ requirements as to actual run-of-the-mill non-asylee aliens. And they were hypothesizing that a company with legitimate requirements should apply for an export license every time it wished to provide export – controlled information to such an alien employee.

     

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  16. Charlotte Member
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    @Charlotte

    What did @mackinder say in #13 and #14?

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  17. Rodin Member
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    @Rodin

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Mackinder (View Comment):

    U.S. aerospace companies are required by U.S. law to prevent people who are not U.S. citizens or “U.S. persons” from accessing export-controlled technical data. Because of this, most (granted, not all) jobs at these companies require citizenship or green-card-holder status. At most aerospace companies, even administrative and facilities staff have access to such material (in many cases, just seeing what a piece of specialized machinery looks like, or the particular configuration of a factory floor, or overhearing a conversation about an engineering issue, is considered export-controlled and therefore restricted to citizens/U.S. persons). Unless, and this may prove to be the case, SpaceX was preventing non-citizens from applying for jobs that had no possible exposure to technical information (for example landscape services outside the building, working at the gift shop in the visitor area, conducting tours in publicly-approved areas, etc.), then this suit is troubling.

    Independent of US laws regarding aerospace security, can’t a private company just, you know, decide on its own that it will only hire US citizens and legal residents?

    Yes, but for the fact that Space X has federal government contracts and has subjected itself to federal regulations on employment. Someone or someones at IER was agenda driven to pursue this even before Trump left office. Biden let loose the “equity” loonies to feast on the carcass of rational self-interest that affect normal people everywhere.

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  18. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
    Globalitarian Misanthropist
    @Flicker

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    This was filmed in 1992, with Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi laying out the important reasons to embrace what many people still see as the “conspiracy theorists’ notion” that the UN needs to have a role in American life, and that the environment and other global causes are to supercede old fashioned ideas like our national sovereignty:

    https://youtu.be/Qwjc8EdkVP4

    Wow.

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  19. Old Bathos Moderator
    Old Bathos
    @OldBathos

    ctlaw (View Comment):

    IIRC, there has long been an exemption for “designated asylees”. I believe that was the specific term used many years ago.

    The big problem is hyper-aggressive enforcement, and use of bogus fictions.

    Whatever the list of exceptions are, the current government policy appears to be to not even let you identify them correctly.

    A while back, you were basically allowed only to state that the job required the applicant to be eligible to receive deemed exports of export – controlled information. The applicant would have to decide for him or herself on eligibility.

    But now, that may be an issue .

    Before the government completely devalued, the status of asylee , they were questioning companies’ requirements as to actual run-of-the-mill non-asylee aliens. And they were hypothesizing that a company with legitimate requirements should apply for an export license every time it wished to provide export – controlled information to such an alien employee.

     

    In a nutshell, the position of the Garland DOJ is that we are compelled to assume legal status even if the alien has not complied with even the minimum statutory requirements.  And pursuant to the lefty interpretation of Plyler V. Doe no one is allowed to even inquire about legal status and whether bases have been touched. If the government wins and establishes a precedent, activist groups will sue if illegals are not hired.  The green-card will be a superfluous legal relic.

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  20. Mackinder Coolidge
    Mackinder
    @Mackinder

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    What did @ mackinder say in #13 and #14?

    Those were accidental blank posts and I couldn’t figure our how to delete. Sorry!

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  21. Charlotte Member
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    @Charlotte

    Mackinder (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    What did @ mackinder say in #13 and #14?

    Those were accidental blank posts and I couldn’t figure our how to delete. Sorry!

    Ah! I hate it when that happens. I just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss anything edifying!

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Mackinder (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    What did @ mackinder say in #13 and #14?

    Those were accidental blank posts and I couldn’t figure our how to delete. Sorry!

    Ah! I hate it when that happens. I just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss anything edifying!

    When we miss something edifying, it’s usually because of the “moderators.”  :-)

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  23. Old Bathos Moderator
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Mackinder (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    What did @ mackinder say in #13 and #14?

    Those were accidental blank posts and I couldn’t figure our how to delete. Sorry!

    Ah! I hate it when that happens. I just wanted to make sure I didn’t miss anything edifying!

    When we miss something edifying, it’s usually because of the “moderators.” :-)

    I assure that that whatever you imagine you missed was far more edifying than that which was actually redacted.

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  24. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    Because we all know Mexican, Chilean, and Honduran rocket scientists have flooded into our southern border illegally.

    Why should our government prefer he hire illegals ahead of our citizens?

    I hope Musk increases the cost to the US government for boost and Starlink services to cover the legal costs.

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  25. Mark Alexander Coolidge
    Mark Alexander
    @MarkAlexander

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    What did @ mackinder say in #13 and #14?

    The Bidens got to him before he could say.

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  26. Globalitarian Misanthropist Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Mark Alexander (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    What did @ mackinder say in #13 and #14?

    The Bidens got to him before he could say.

    He denied they were his.

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