How Much Longer Do We Have to Put Up with This Garbage?

 

From Charles C.W. Cooke (why does that name sound familiar?), in today’s NRO:

“In the wake of the federal indictment against Trump — which, unlike the Bragg nonsense, is absolutely devastating — I’ll ask again: Aren’t you all tired of this crap? Don’t you want to get past it? Don’t you want to do some politics for a change? How much longer do we all have to put up with this garbage?

We’re now in year eight of Donald Trump’s nonsense, and he’s getting worse, not better. Trump lost in 2020. Then he tried to rewrite the Twelfth Amendment and the Electoral Count Act of 1887 to steal the election. Then he interfered in the 2022 primaries, with disastrous political consequences. Now he’s been indicted for stealing highly classified documents — which, yes, is not the same as a conviction, and which should not be confused with one, but which has clearly happened as a result of his total disregard for the rules. What, in Heaven’s name, is the case for keeping him around? He’s broken his oath of office. He’s repeatedly revealed himself to be completely unfit for the presidency. He’s shown he can’t win. Politicians are servants. Trump isn’t serving anything or anyone. Why is he still in the conversation?”

That is my question. I’m a life-long conservative (Reagan branch), and am so tired of all the Trump garbage that I may choose to vote “Mickey Mouse” in 2024. I long for the days when politics was politics instead of a clown circus.

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  1. Hoyacon Member
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    I sense that Charles’ idea of “garbage” and mine may be different, unless he’s referring to the rather obvious politicization of the DOJ.  When do we get past that?

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  2. Scott Wilmot Member
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    To be honest, I’m much more tired of the garbage that the Democrat Party throws at us: inflation, climate change, transing the kids, child mutilation, rigged elections, targeting Catholics, etc., etc.

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  3. Columbo Inactive
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    Did the French Davidian change his name in order to write at NRO?!

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  4. cdor Member
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    Talk about blaming the victim…wow, did Trump change sexes? Mr. Cooke seems confused as to where to place the cause of his frustration. It’s easy to do, but I expect a lot more from a professional political analyst.

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  5. philo Member
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    Jim McConnell: Why is he still in the conversation?

    It will never make sense to you as long as you live in their narrative. 

     

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  6. Mark Camp Member
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    Did Charles mean that the Federal indictment is devastating (a) to Trump or (b) to the country?

    I admit I am not curious enough to read the article and find out for myself, so my question may not be quite appropriate.  But there may be others among us who have the same question and the same lack of industry.

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  7. Bishop Wash Member
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    Jim McConnell: We’re now in year eight of Donald Trump’s nonsense, and he’s getting worse, not better. Trump lost in 2020. Then he tried to rewrite the Twelfth Amendment and the Electoral Count Act of 1887 to steal the election.

    You seem to have that backwards. Trump had the election stolen from him and he was trying to get the states to correct the error.

    Jim McConnell: Now he’s been indicted for stealing highly classified documents — which, yes, is not the same as a conviction, and which should not be confused with one, but which has clearly happened as a result of his total disregard for the rules.

    The documents that he had authority over as the chief Original Classification Authority? The same types of documents Hillary and Biden had while not an OCA, but won’t ever have similar charges filed against them?

    As a life-long conservative of the Reagan/Trump branch, I want a candidate who vows to destroy the corrupt administrative state. I long for the days of five years ago when we had peace and prosperity.

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  8. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    I’ve read excerpts from the indictment, and if the charges can be proven what DJT did is indeed devastating to the security of the country. These charges are not nearly comparable to what Pence did.

    And it’s obviously true that the DOJ/FBI have been weaponized.

    Both of these things can be true at the same time. I don’t understand why some can’t admit that.

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  9. Arahant Member
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    Jim McConnell: I long for the days when politics was politics instead of a clown circus.

    I’m trying to remember when that was. Maybe in the time of Tarquinius?

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  10. Jim McConnell Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell: We’re now in year eight of Donald Trump’s nonsense, and he’s getting worse, not better. Trump lost in 2020. Then he tried to rewrite the Twelfth Amendment and the Electoral Count Act of 1887 to steal the election.

    You seem to have that backwards. Trump had the election stolen from him and he was trying to get the states to correct the error.

    Jim McConnell: Now he’s been indicted for stealing highly classified documents — which, yes, is not the same as a conviction, and which should not be confused with one, but which has clearly happened as a result of his total disregard for the rules.

    The documents that he had authority over as the chief Original Classification Authority? The same types of documents Hillary and Biden had while not an OCA, but won’t ever have similar charges filed against them?

    As a life-long conservative of the Reagan/Trump branch, I want a candidate who vows to destroy the corrupt administrative state. I long for the days of five years ago when we had peace and prosperity.

    I can’t think of any of his vows that he kept while in office. I believe that he somehow assembled a very competent staff of conservatives who accomplished a tremendous amount of good during his four years in office; especially concerning federal judicial appointments. With Trumps’ lack of governing experience and unstable personality, I give credit for his accomplishments in office to his able staff.

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  11. Arahant Member
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    Incompetents don’t somehow accidentally assemble a very competent staff.

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  12. MiMac Thatcher
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    We live in such a tribalized world- any other world would instantly reject Trump, HRC and Biden. They all are co-dependent- they need each other b/c anybody near Ronald Reagan would absolutely destroy any of them in an election. 

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  13. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    I understand your position Jim.  I am tired of Trump, and I started to sour on him leading up to and after the 2020 election and subsequent elections.  I was not impressed with the candidates that he was supporting by and large.  That was a decision I made based on Trump-I know of other supporters who were starting to feel the same way.  If he had been left alone, I think many more would have drifted away from him.  Too much ego, too much chaos.

    But they didn’t leave him alone.  We know from the Durham report that there is no dirty trick that is beneath our government colluding with the Democrats and I think that is on full display in the latest indictment.  It seems like they have used every weapon of state against him and that is flat out political persecution.  I cannot support that.  I will have to vote for Trump if he gets the nomination for that reason and that reason alone.

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  14. Jim McConnell Member
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    I haven’t studied Roman history since high school, about 70 years ago, so I can’t make the comparison. (It is kinda fun to demonstrate your eruidition occasionally, isn’t it?)

     

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  15. Arahant Member
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

     

    I haven’t studied Roman history since high school, about 70 years ago, so I can’t make the comparison. (It is kinda fun to demonstrate your eruidition occasionally, isn’t it?)

    Not worth looking up. Things were the same sort of political excrement pile then as now. The problem with politics is people.

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  16. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Frankly, even though I am done with Trump, I am more disgusted that the USA is completing its evolution into the USSR; with the FBI playing the KGB’s role of protecting the party and arresting the political opposition and the media relishing their role as party propagandists.

    My only consolation is that the Federal Government is unsustainably insolvent and will likely collapse within my lifetime.

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  17. Zafar Member
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    Jim McConnell: Politicians are servants. Trump isn’t serving anything or anyone. Why is he still in the conversation?”

    He must be serving somebody’s purpose, otherwise he wouldn’t be.

    If you believe that he isn’t serving yours, or conservatism’s, then it’s probably not a bad idea to ask whose and how.

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  18. Mark Camp Member
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    I haven’t studied Roman history since high school, about 70 years ago, so I can’t make the comparison.

    Jim,

    Sure you can!

    You don’t need to remember Roman political history (i.e., the sequence of states and events, in terms of the power of one class over others and how it was used) from 70 years ago.

    You can just use the web.

    Tarquinius didn’t ring a bell so I looked him up.

    It turns out that the political history of the time and place of Tarquinius was not the story of a clown circus, which would be the exception.

    It was just typical run-of-the-mill political history.  Male gang leaders succeeding each other in power over the great mass of their neighbors by murder of their predecessors and rivals, usually relatives by blood or marriage, according to their own council or that of their wives and mothers.

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  19. Jim McConnell Member
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    We live in such a tribalized world- any other world would instantly reject Trump, HRC and Biden. They all are co-dependent- they need each other b/c anybody near Ronald Reagan would absolutely destroy any of them in an election.

    Absolutely.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    We live in such a tribalized world- any other world would instantly reject Trump, HRC and Biden. They all are co-dependent- they need each other b/c anybody near Ronald Reagan would absolutely destroy any of them in an election.

    Absolutely.

    There seems to be some good arguments that Reagan wouldn’t get elected now.

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  21. MiMac Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    We live in such a tribalized world- any other world would instantly reject Trump, HRC and Biden. They all are co-dependent- they need each other b/c anybody near Ronald Reagan would absolutely destroy any of them in an election.

    Absolutely.

    There seems to be some good arguments that Reagan wouldn’t get elected now.

    he could campaign from his bathroom & win easily- heck Biden campaigned from his basement- and a loser & grifter like him won.

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  22. Ed G. Member
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    Jim McConnell: In the wake of the federal indictment against Trump — which, unlike the Bragg nonsense, is absolutely devastating — I’ll ask again: Aren’t you all tired of this crap? Don’t you want to get past it? Don’t you want to do some politics for a change? How much longer do we all have to put up with this garbage?

    There was a time I would have tried engaging a view like this by digging in to the assumptions and trying to find clarity if not agreement. Not anymore; after engaging since 2015 I’ve learned that personal distaste for Donald Trump trumps any other consideration. Not even the radical weaponization of our institutions, nor hoaxes, nor shampeachments, nor rigged elections, nor continued onesided legal persecution of political opponents, none of that will ever be enough for some people to rise up in anger over the destruction of our civil society and culture. For me it isn’t and never was about Trump; for others it is always about Trump.

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  23. MarciN Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell: In the wake of the federal indictment against Trump — which, unlike the Bragg nonsense, is absolutely devastating — I’ll ask again: Aren’t you all tired of this crap? Don’t you want to get past it? Don’t you want to do some politics for a change? How much longer do we all have to put up with this garbage?

    There was a time I would have tried engaging a view like this by digging in to the assumptions and trying to find clarity if not agreement. Not anymore; after engaging since 2015 I’ve learned that personal distaste for Donald Trump trumps any other consideration. Not even the radical weaponization of our institutions, nor hoaxes, nor shampeachments, nor rigged elections, nor continued onesided legal persecution of political opponents, none of that will ever be enough for some people to rise up in anger over the destruction of our civil society and culture. For me it isn’t and never was about Trump; for others it is always about Trump.

    I agree with this wholeheartedly. 

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  24. Albert Arthur Coolidge
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    Moderator Note:

    Redacted - personal attacks are a violation of the CoC.

     

    Jim McConnell: I am so tired of all the Trump garbage

    [Redacted]

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    We live in such a tribalized world- any other world would instantly reject Trump, HRC and Biden. They all are co-dependent- they need each other b/c anybody near Ronald Reagan would absolutely destroy any of them in an election.

    Absolutely.

    There seems to be some good arguments that Reagan wouldn’t get elected now.

    he could campaign from his bathroom & win easily- heck Biden campaigned from his basement- and a loser & grifter like him won.

    That’s a good reason why Reagan would lose, unless you’re actually willing to believe that Joe Freakin’ Biden got more legitimate votes than anyone in history.

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  26. Albert Arthur Coolidge
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    Charlie: Then he interfered in the 2022 primaries, with disastrous political consequences.

    Garbage opinion. Something like 90% of the candidates that Trump endorsed won. It was something like 224-8. 

    “Interfered”? You mean campaigned on behalf of Republican candidates? 

    Deep State: You may not vote for Donald Trump

    Charlie and Jim: Yes, sir! Please may I have another!

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  27. Albert Arthur Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Charlie: In the wake of the federal indictment against Trump — which, unlike the Bragg nonsense, is absolutely devastating — I’ll ask again: Aren’t you all tired of this crap? Don’t you want to get past it? Don’t you want to do some politics for a change? How much longer do we all have to put up with this garbage?

    There was a time I would have tried engaging a view like this by digging in to the assumptions and trying to find clarity if not agreement. Not anymore; after engaging since 2015 I’ve learned that personal distaste for Donald Trump trumps any other consideration. Not even the radical weaponization of our institutions, nor hoaxes, nor shampeachments, nor rigged elections, nor continued onesided legal persecution of political opponents, none of that will ever be enough for some people to rise up in anger over the destruction of our civil society and culture. For me it isn’t and never was about Trump; for others it is always about Trump.

    I agree with this wholeheartedly.

    Me too. 

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  28. Nohaaj Coolidge
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    PFFFT! Did you believe in Russian Pee tapes? in secret financial banking between Trump and Russian assets?  In Trump supporting White Supremacists. In Trump quid pro quo with Ukraine? In Trump improperly feeding Koi in Japan?  Should I keep listing the ad infinitum lies, scams, propaganda, smears and fake news that half of America still believes because they believe CNN, MSNBC, Schumer, Shiff, Pelosi, et al?  Do you still believe in the crap listed above?  Then it makes sense that you believe this nonsense too.  

     

     

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  29. Columbo Inactive
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    Sad.

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  30. Columbo Inactive
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    He’s shown he can’t win. 

    This was said in 2016 and was completely wrong then, and now. He saved America from Hillary Clinton.

    Charles C.W. Cooke … please prove to Ricochet that there is any Republican who can win the Presidency in 2024 now that the democrats have perfected their cheating, without any concern from the likes of you.

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