This Is How to Do “Trans”

 

Mrs Rodin and I recently watched an interview with Blaire White conducted by Viva Frei (available on YouTube, Rumble, and VivaBarnesLaw.Locals.com). The YouTube version is truncated and the Rumble and Locals versions are behind a paywall, so I will try and highlight the interview for you if you don’t have access to the whole thing.

Let me set the stage by quoting just one Tweet from Blaire White:

LGBT activists won full legal equality, and the only thing left to do was leave kids alone.

Just don’t [redacted] with the kids.

That’s it. The bar was THAT low and they couldn’t meet it.

Blaire White is a biological male who suffers from gender dysmorphia. She is quite clear that she has had and continues to have that medical condition. She does not claim to be normal and does not expect anyone to use her preferred pronouns — she has no “preferred” pronouns. She also prefers to be known as “transsexual” and not “transgender”.

In the interview she outlined her history: Growing up in northern California she always felt that she was a girl in a boy’s body. She knew that feeling was not normal. She lived in a nuclear family with two brothers. Although the household had far too much drama, she does not throw her family under the bus. She simply feels that she is what she is and has what she has (gender dysmorphia). It was even more pronounced when she hit puberty. Although labeled a “fag” by some schoolmates she never was sexually attracted to gay boys/men (or women). She did not adopt girls clothing, but did adopt a “punk/goth” look that was more sexually amorphous as a teenager. Only when she went to college did she present as a woman and begin taking hormone treatments.

When she started taking hormone treatments she became very aware of the biological differences between men and women. She could feel herself changing physically and emotionally. And it put her at odds with campus feminist doctrine that gender was simply a social construct. She knew differently. (As we watched the interview, Mrs Rodin remarked: “That person has a woman’s  brain!”)

She started a YouTube channel while in college and the interview included a clip from an early video. Although early in her transitioning process, she was clearly feminine. Since then she has had cosmetic work to enlarge the breasts and some facial work to sculpt her looks in the manner that many actresses do, but her foundation was slight and feminine to begin with.

Ms White has not had sexual reassignment surgery (SRS) and does not believe SRS to be a good idea. She is chemically castrated from the hormone treatments and has substantial loss of sexual urges. Her relationships tend to be more emotional than physical (and the interview did not go into any details) and she is not a part of the “hookup” scene.

For her, transitioning was the best way to cope with her gender dysmorphia. And by not getting SRS she has avoided the potential health problems and sexual challenges of men who have done so and are trying to establish a heterosexual analog. She is who she is, her body is what it is, and relationships will occur or not occur within that reality.

Ms White does not believe biological men should be in women’s locker rooms or competing in women’s events. She does not think men can simply put on women’s clothing and make up and demand to be treated as a woman. If they are not diagnosed with and accept that they are gender dysmorphic, then they are fetishists and have no place in women’s spaces. Men going to women’s prisons is beyond insane to her.

Use of women’s bathrooms are different from locker rooms because genitalia is not exposed. The basic rule for Ms White is that if your presentation and behavior does not alarm other occupants of the bathroom then there is no problem. If it does, then courtesy requires that you find somewhere else to do your business and/or find a way to modify your presentation and behavior so that it does not alarm women in their restroom. If you cannot, well…

Ms White’s outlook on pronouns is similar. Pronouns are functional in conversation. When she meets someone in person they don’t struggle with calling her “her” or “she”. Usually it is people online who want to call her “he” or “him” — to make a point. Which way you choose to go is a matter of indifference to her.

Ms White knows she is mentally ill, but is not crazy. Her treatment, beginning as an adult, was to bring her body more in line with her mind. She accepts the consequences of her illness and the tradeoffs involved in choices she made to make herself feel better and to operate within society in a more normal fashion.

She does not believe that children can make this choice. She believes that people who think they can — who are providing or encouraging “gender affirming care” –are doing great harm to these children. Ms White thinks that if the medical community were required to treat this as a mental illness, it would lose its cachet as a lifestyle choice and be less prone to adoption by disaffected youths (or their mothers) as a means gaining social status.

I enjoyed “meeting” Blaire White through this interview. I respect how she is living her life –the insight she has gained into her condition, her acceptance of it as a mental illness, the decisions she has made to make herself feel better while avoiding serious health issues, and the honesty with which she presents herself to the world. There may be some who feel that she is doing wrong in adopting women’s clothing and manner. Some may see this as a form of immorality, a violation of Biblical injunctions, and should not be an accepted treatment for gender dysmorphia. If so, I think that is regrettable, but I will not debate your faith. I can only say that if Ms White’s approach were adopted routinely we would not be suffering with Drag Shows for children, “gender is just a social construct”, and other progressive perversions.

In a war for a better, more sane, society I accept allies who may be mentally ill, but not crazy.

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  1. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):
    No, not ” ‘e “. That’s not a pronoun. You’re writing about a man pretending to be a woman, or a “he” pretending to be a “she.”

    Many so-called transgender people are “pretending” to be the opposite sex. But some are truly suffering a mental illness and this is one who admits it. I think he should be credited for the admission.

    And, btw, as a lifelong woman I can tell when someone is making a mockery of women. These obscenely exaggerated drag queens are the best example. I think they actually hate women and they’ll get no sympathy from me.

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  2. Rodin Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    But the funny thing is using someone’s incorrect 3rd person pronoun when he’s not even in the room to hear it isn’t out of courtesy. It has an element of compulsion or complicity. It’s for the same reason I won’t call two men “husband” to each other. It’s a fiction I won’t submit to. I can be courteous without using newspeak.

    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    No, not ” ‘e “. That’s not a pronoun. You’re writing about a man pretending to be a woman, or a “he” pretending to be a “she.”

    We’re admonished by Solzhenitsyn to “Live not by lies.” Jesus said “The truth shall set you free.”  You are enabling a lie, and dragging your reader along with you. Quit it.

    I like her. I am not being compelled — she never asked. Is courtesy only in person? Interesting thought. 

    I am a fan of Solzhenitsyn –particularly because he is really speaking to our all too possible future in this country. I agree about telling the truth. I was clear in the OP, as is Blaire, that she is biologically male and has gender dysmorphia. If you watch her interview I think you will see she does not live by lies. Am I enabling a lie? I don’t think so. I don’t accede to the pronoun demands. But I do honor Blaire’s honesty. And that is the entire point of the post. People who suffer from gender dysmorphia need to own it, accept that it is a mental illness and not demand that society pretend that it is not.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    I wonder if this “woman” is immediately informing any men who express any kind of “interest” that “I am really a man.”

    If not, “she” should.

    But I rather doubt “she” is, because “she” would be very lonely.

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  4. Rodin Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    I wonder if this “woman” is immediately informing any men who express any kind of “interest” that “I am really a man.”

    If not, “she” should.

    But I rather doubt “she” is, because “she” would be very lonely.

    You raise a very important issue and the interview did not cover this, or any of the relationships she may have had. She said her relationships tend to be more emotional than physical; that she isn’t part of the hookup scene. My speculation based on her forthrightness and openness in the interview is that she would not pull a surprise on a man. But when exactly is the appropriate time to bring it up in a developing relationship I wouldn’t pretend to know. Maybe some of the women on Ricochet might have some ideas about at what point they would think a pleasant, possibly flirtatious, conversation should elicit the appropriate disclosure if the man is not aware of who she is and her story.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I wonder if this “woman” is immediately informing any men who express any kind of “interest” that “I am really a man.”

    If not, “she” should.

    But I rather doubt “she” is, because “she” would be very lonely.

    You raise a very important issue and the interview did not cover this, or any of the relationships she may have had. She said her relationships tend to be more emotional than physical; that she isn’t part of the hookup scene. My speculation based on her forthrightness and openness in the interview is that she would not pull a surprise on a man. But when exactly is the appropriate time to bring it up in a developing relationship I wouldn’t pretend to know. Maybe some of the women on Ricochet might have some ideas about at what point they would think a pleasant, possibly flirtatious, conversation should elicit the appropriate disclosure if the man is not aware of who she is and her story.

    If “she” were to engage in the “hookup scene,” it would pretty much have to be with actual women, since “she” still has male equipment even if it has been chemically deprecated.

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  6. Juno Delta Whiskey Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    But the funny thing is using someone’s incorrect 3rd person pronoun when he’s not even in the room to hear it isn’t out of courtesy. It has an element of compulsion or complicity. It’s for the same reason I won’t call two men “husband” to each other. It’s a fiction I won’t submit to. I can be courteous without using newspeak.

    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    No, not ” ‘e “. That’s not a pronoun. You’re writing about a man pretending to be a woman, or a “he” pretending to be a “she.”

    We’re admonished by Solzhenitsyn to “Live not by lies.” Jesus said “The truth shall set you free.” You are enabling a lie, and dragging your reader along with you. Quit it.

    I like her. I am not being compelled — she never asked. Is courtesy only in person? Interesting thought.

    I am a fan of Solzhenitsyn –particularly because he is really speaking to our all too possible future in this country. I agree about telling the truth. I was clear in the OP, as is Blaire, that she is biologically male and has gender dysmorphia. If you watch her interview I think you will see she does not live by lies. Am I enabling a lie? I don’t think so. I don’t accede to the pronoun demands. But I do honor Blaire’s honesty. And that is the entire point of the post. People who suffer from gender dysmorphia need to own it, accept that it is a mental illness and not demand that society pretend that it is not.

    And yet your article continuously plays into his delusion, suggesting that his version of reality as informed by his dysphoria is truth.

    The truth is he has a mental illness that is feeding him a lie that he is something other that what he is.

    Don’t aid and abet.

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  7. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Rodin (View Comment):
    I like her. I am not being compelled — she never asked. Is courtesy only in person? Interesting thought. 

    Yes, the courtesy I practice is using someone’s first name or the second singular pronoun “you” when speaking to someone in-person. I can do that with anyone, whether they suffer from gender dysphoria or not.

    But when speaking about a male out of his hearing, I will use the correct pronoun. That’s a courtesy I pay to the truth and reality.

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  8. Flicker Coolidge
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    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    Quit calling him “she”.

    OK, how about “ ‘e “? But seriously, Blaire isn’t asking to be addressed by a particular pronoun. Had ‘e done so I would have have said “he”. I am very much against compelled speech. But as ‘e has the courtesy of not trying to make me use a particular form of address, and because ‘e is honest about mental illness and the behaviors that cross the line, I return the courtesy. YMMV.

    No, not ” ‘e “. That’s not a pronoun. You’re writing about a man pretending to be a woman, or a “he” pretending to be a “she.”

    We’re admonished by Solzhenitsyn to “Live not by lies.” Jesus said “The truth shall set you free.” You are enabling a lie, and dragging your reader along with you. Quit it.

    I just found it confusing more than anything.  But then again, I call a man transitioning to something else a transsexual man, or a trans-man.  If I’m trying to be clear, I refer to him as a man pretending to be a woman; it’s rather long, but it’s clear.

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):
    she is biologically male

    This is the part that confuses me.

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  10. Juno Delta Whiskey Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    she is biologically male

    This is the part that confuses me.

    Correct, because he is a man pretending to be a woman.

    The fact we have to go through this whole charade, on Ricochet no less, does not give me a great deal of hope.

    On the other hand, perhaps this is just a troll of us sane people.

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  11. Rodin Member
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    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    she is biologically male

    This is the part that confuses me.

    Correct, because he is a man pretending to be a woman.

    The fact we have to go through this whole charade, on Ricochet no less, does not give me a great deal of hope.

    On the other hand, perhaps this is just a troll of us sane people.

    @junodeltawhiskey, here is a challenge: reread the OP (and my comments) using the biologically correct pronouns  and get back to me about “trolling”. Gender dysmorphia is real, just like schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, and assorted other mental illnesses. What is a sufferer to do? Just die?! I wish these conditions did not exist, but wishing doesn’t make it so. 

    The “cool trans” is something different — a mental contagion far different than true gender dysmorphia. My purpose in posting is to neither “troll” nor celebrate/promote mental contagion. If the approach Blaire has taken to deal with his condition —accepting he has a mental illness, being honest while  finding a way to be as comfortable as he can manage without creating more health problems — it would not promote the mental contagion we are dealing with IMO. 

    Do not convert my sense of courtesy to and compassion for Blaire into something it is not: a support for the mental contagion of the transgender movement. 

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  12. Stad Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    And yet real boys are drugged in elementary school because they’re too “active” and stuff… Bananas.

    I was a terror in elementary school. They would have put me on a Ritalin drip . . .

    Yes, but did the teacher tie you to your chair, like what happened to Mr. C?

    LOL I did get “belted” to my seat once . . .

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  13. Stad Coolidge
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    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):
    No, not ” ‘e “. That’s not a pronoun.

    It’s “he” with a Cockney accent . . .

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  14. Juno Delta Whiskey Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    she is biologically male

    This is the part that confuses me.

    Correct, because he is a man pretending to be a woman.

    The fact we have to go through this whole charade, on Ricochet no less, does not give me a great deal of hope.

    On the other hand, perhaps this is just a troll of us sane people.

    @ junodeltawhiskey, here is a challenge: reread the OP (and my comments) using the biologically correct pronouns and get back to me about “trolling”. Gender dysmorphia is real, just like schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, and assorted other mental illnesses. What is a sufferer to do? Just die?! I wish these conditions did not exist, but wishing doesn’t make it so.

    The “cool trans” is something different — a mental contagion far different than true gender dysmorphia. My purpose in posting is to neither “troll” nor celebrate/promote mental contagion. If the approach Blaire has taken to deal with his condition —accepting he has a mental illness, being honest while finding a way to be as comfortable as he can manage without creating more health problems — it would not promote the mental contagion we are dealing with IMO.

    Do not convert my sense of courtesy to and compassion for Blaire into something it is not: a support for the mental contagion of the transgender movement.

    What is a sufferer to do? Get help. Present themselves as they really are, live in truth.

    Helping someone live in truth is the best courtesy available.

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  15. Rodin Member
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    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Juno Delta Whiskey (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    she is biologically male

    This is the part that confuses me.

    Correct, because he is a man pretending to be a woman.

    The fact we have to go through this whole charade, on Ricochet no less, does not give me a great deal of hope.

    On the other hand, perhaps this is just a troll of us sane people.

    @ junodeltawhiskey, here is a challenge: reread the OP (and my comments) using the biologically correct pronouns and get back to me about “trolling”. Gender dysmorphia is real, just like schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, and assorted other mental illnesses. What is a sufferer to do? Just die?! I wish these conditions did not exist, but wishing doesn’t make it so.

    The “cool trans” is something different — a mental contagion far different than true gender dysmorphia. My purpose in posting is to neither “troll” nor celebrate/promote mental contagion. If the approach Blaire has taken to deal with his condition —accepting he has a mental illness, being honest while finding a way to be as comfortable as he can manage without creating more health problems — it would not promote the mental contagion we are dealing with IMO.

    Do not convert my sense of courtesy to and compassion for Blaire into something it is not: a support for the mental contagion of the transgender movement.

    What is a sufferer to do? Get help. Present themselves as they really are, live in truth.

    Helping someone live in truth is the best courtesy available.

    🤷

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  16. Skyler Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):
    I respect that you regard anything trans to be a perversion, thus Blaire by definition is a pervert.

    Shouldn’t everyone?  It’s pretty much the definition of perversion.  If this is not perverted, then nothing is.  

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  17. Rodin Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    I respect that you regard anything trans to be a perversion, thus Blaire by definition is a pervert.

    Shouldn’t everyone? It’s pretty much the definition of perversion. If this is not perverted, then nothing is.

    True, but irrelevant unless you support criminalizing a mental illness. The problem with the transgender movement is not that there are a small number of people who truly suffer with gender dysmorphia, it is that movement participants deny that it is a mental illness as a means to create “cool trans”, create chaos, mutilate children and sell drugs. That is the crime, not the disease. You don’t call an alcoholic a pervert in order to keep him sober. It’s a longer discussion as to how you medically treat the small number of adults who truly suffer from gender dysmorphia, whether there is a cure and, if not, what coping strategies are appropriate to maintain a productive and societally appropriate life. My point of view is compassion for the truly suffering while eternal enmity for those who are spreading a mental contagion of faux gender dysmorphia in service of a political and financial agenda. 

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    Rodin (View Comment):
    My point of view is compassion for the truly suffering while eternal enmity for those who are spreading a mental contagion of faux gender dysmorphia in service of a political and financial agenda.

    Wise words.  I am saving this to my collection of quotes.  

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    Rodin (View Comment):
    True, but irrelevant unless you support criminalizing a mental illness.

    From where do you stand to make that wild leap of logic?    I never implied that anything should be illegal, nor did I consider that their behavior is a mental illness.  Neither is required for the public at large to express disgust and disagreement with their behavior.  There have always been perverts.  We haven’t always pretended that they weren’t what they are, nor have we ever encouraged it at large.  

    Be what you want, pervert or whatever else.  But I know what is perverse and I won’t coddle or encourage it.

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  20. Rodin Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    True, but irrelevant unless you support criminalizing a mental illness.

    From where do you stand to make that wild leap of logic? I never implied that anything should be illegal, nor did I consider that their behavior is a mental illness. Neither is required for the public at large to express disgust and disagreement with their behavior. There have always been perverts. We haven’t always pretended that they weren’t what they are, nor have we ever encouraged it at large.

    Be what you want, pervert or whatever else. But I know what is perverse and I won’t coddle or encourage it.

    I am appropriately chastised. We may disagree on what coddles and encourages.

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  21. Skyler Coolidge
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    Rodin (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    True, but irrelevant unless you support criminalizing a mental illness.

    From where do you stand to make that wild leap of logic? I never implied that anything should be illegal, nor did I consider that their behavior is a mental illness. Neither is required for the public at large to express disgust and disagreement with their behavior. There have always been perverts. We haven’t always pretended that they weren’t what they are, nor have we ever encouraged it at large.

    Be what you want, pervert or whatever else. But I know what is perverse and I won’t coddle or encourage it.

    I am appropriately chastised. We may disagree on what coddles and encourages.

    The Bible stories of Soddom and Gemorah always seemed so far fetched to me; exaggerated to make a morality tale.  

    I don’t think those stories are at all exaggerated anymore.

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  22. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):
    True, but irrelevant unless you support criminalizing a mental illness.

    From where do you stand to make that wild leap of logic? I never implied that anything should be illegal, nor did I consider that their behavior is a mental illness. Neither is required for the public at large to express disgust and disagreement with their behavior. There have always been perverts. We haven’t always pretended that they weren’t what they are, nor have we ever encouraged it at large.

    Be what you want, pervert or whatever else. But I know what is perverse and I won’t coddle or encourage it.

    I am appropriately chastised. We may disagree on what coddles and encourages.

    The Bible stories of Soddom and Gemorah always seemed so far fetched to me; exaggerated to make a morality tale.

    I don’t think those stories are at all exaggerated anymore.

    I like the story of Soddom and Gemorah. I think it’s about how rape is bad. It is an insanely messed up story. 

    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2019&version=NIV

    I think it’s a metaphor about sexual abuse. 

    The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.”

    “No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.”

    3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

    6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

    9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.

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  23. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Later in the story,

    25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

    Later his daughters got him drunk and sex with their father Lot in order to continue their line. 

    So there are two Middle Eastern towns that like raping men and Angels and Lot does sold out his daughters to preserve the Angels. He was a weak man who did not defend his womenfolk. Then his wife looked back at Soddom and Gommorrah and was turned into a pillar of salt. The previous sentence in the old testament is about how G-d is so angry at Soddom and Gommorrah that he is destroys even the vegetation. He is obviously very very angry at the people of Soddom and Gommorrah. Then he turns Lot’s wife into salt which is bad for vegetation. I don’t think it’s a consequence. Then Lot’s daughters get him drunk and have sex with him in order to continue their line. 

    I personally do not have the imagination to make any of this up. 

    The story is about how many Middle Eastern cultures were similar to Afghanistan with all the rape and incest and it is about how sexual abuse in families persist for generations. Like with hillbillies or Bacha bazi boys. That is why G-d turned Lot’s wife into salt, she looked back upon horrible sexual abuse and was made into a thing that literally resembles anti-fertility. But because she looked back, the daughters replaced their mother. They wanted to continue their line. But all the men were so evil and rapey they had to go to their father. 

    So I interpret this part of the Bible as being against rape and incest. I have more sympathy for Lot’s daughters than I do for Lot who did not defend his daughters and Lot’s wife who looked back at what deserved to be utterly destroyed. If you do nothing but abuse your children, the children will grow up with wickedness in them. This section of the Bible in a non-literal sense is completely correct.

    I don’t understand why I need to care if two gay dudes want to hook up. Provided of course they aren’t into rape, incest or kids.  

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  24. Skyler Coolidge
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    I don’t understand why I need to care if two gay dudes want to hook up. Provided of course they aren’t into rape, incest or kids.  

    Yeah, well, that’s the thing, isn’t it?

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  25. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Skyler (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    I don’t understand why I need to care if two gay dudes want to hook up. Provided of course they aren’t into rape, incest or kids.

    Yeah, well, that’s the thing, isn’t it?

    Yes, keep lowering the standards of what counts as “sexual abuse” and see what happens. The Bible is right about sodomy, even when it’s “consensual.” It’s always exploitative.

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  26. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Skyler (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    I don’t understand why I need to care if two gay dudes want to hook up. Provided of course they aren’t into rape, incest or kids.

    Yeah, well, that’s the thing, isn’t it?

    Yes, keep lowering the standards of what counts as “sexual abuse” and see what happens. The Bible is right about sodomy, even when it’s “consensual.” It’s always exploitative.

    Only if exploitive means awesome.

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  27. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    @westernchauvinist

    A long time ago, in a Galaxy far far away, Jay Nordlinger was once worth reading. He made an observation that many people are deeply offended by China’s oppression of Tibetans but China’s oppression of Christians and Buddhists are often not mentioned. He interviewed many Han (the majority Chinese race of China) who were treated terribly under Mao but the people around him were always interested in Tibetan oppression.

    In recent times, Uighurs have taken up the news. This makes sense as it current and it currently the worst thing the CCP is doing to humanity. Not that the CCP wasn’t horrible to the Tibetans but the CCP was equally bad to many different kinds of Chinese under Mao but those stories were not as fascinating to Western audiences for some reason.

    Let us suppose for a moment that sodomy is actually bad. Why do you (and white Catholic ladies in general) focus on sodomy with such relentlessness? I get that other parts of the Bible are traditionally interpreted as condemning homosexuality but isn’t the whole gang rape thing a bit more of a concern than gay stuff? I mean, from a traditionally Catholic perspective, isn’t it easier to repent for having a gay tryst than participating in gang rape?

    Why do you emphasize sodomy to such a degree? I know you wish to promote the morality of the Catholic Church. But why is that particular sin of such great import you personally? Why do Catholics tend to emphasize homosexuality among men rather than women?

    This is why I am skeptical of religious beliefs. They seem from human impulses than from divinity.

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  28. Rodin Member
    Rodin
    @Rodin

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    This is why I am skeptical of religious beliefs. They seem from human impulses than from divinity.

    I don’t want to inject myself in the sodomy debate, but the quoted comment reflects a basic problem even for the most well-intentioned religious practitioner. My mother once said after passing on some criticism to someone and having them push back that “I’m not saying that, God is.” When someone devoutly desires to know G-d’s mind and makes a persistent and serious study of the Bible, they can come to believe that they actually do know G-d’s mind. We all need humility in our certainty. It leads to personal generosity and it does nothing to bind G-d’s hands in rendering whatever judgment is just.

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  29. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Rodin (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    This is why I am skeptical of religious beliefs. They seem from human impulses than from divinity.

    I don’t want to inject myself in the sodomy debate, but the quoted comment reflects a basic problem even for the most well-intentioned religious practitioner. My mother once said after passing on some criticism to someone and having them push back that “I’m not saying that, God is.” When someone devoutly desires to know G-d’s mind and makes a persistent and serious study of the Bible, they can come to believe that they actually do know G-d’s mind. We all need humility in our certainty. It leads to personal generosity and it does nothing to bind G-d’s hands in rendering whatever judgment is just.

    So we all need humility in our certainty. I am most certainly exempt. 

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  30. Skyler Coolidge
    Skyler
    @Skyler

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I get that other parts of the Bible are traditionally interpreted as condemning homosexuality

    You don’t need a Bible to condemn it.  It is by its own nature wrong.  

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