The House is Not About to Impeach Biden — Is That Trump’s Fault?

 

Yes, a bit of a poke-in-the-eye post, but I want this on the record for when Trump is the nominee and the NT wailing brigade goes full klaxon about how it’s Trump’s fault we can’t win in 2024.

I am not supporting or defending Trump per se. I do not feel that he will win the general. On the other hand, I certainly have no patience for the same people sneering the same “proof” offered last time.

My point is that if the GOP does not put some points on the board, or at least get some cool-looking scars and a great story, they will cause another angry protest primary. We got lucky last time. That will not happen again.

So that’s where I’m coming from. If the GOP will not use the tools in its hands, they can expect people like me to get all Trump again. And I will not find reasonable any establishment wanking about Trump this and Trump that.

How many actions surpassing even the most lurid interpretations of the “Ukraine phone call” does Biden commit daily?  I’m confident it’s one or more.  Yet what we see so far is an aw-shucksy nothin’ to see here. 

Remember this non-impeachment, and frankly whitewash, when for some inexplicable reason, Trump is leading going into the primary.

Note: This post was SUBSTANTIALLY edited to include clarifying text from my comment #13.   Some comments before that won’t make much sense below the post as it is now.  Please keep that in mind.

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.  Neither you nor I can vote in their stead, so they will do what they will regardless of what we do.  What would have a great effect, however, is a GOP racking up some wins with power they already have.  Nothing says “You were right, we’re just a bunch of clock-watching decay-profiteers,” quite like not being able to put any points on the board with this ridiculous administration in power.

    This is not to say that there’s nothing good happening, but I am particularly exercised by the disturbing “there, there” tone coming from our own folks looking into the clear-cut bribery scandal in the highest offices in the land, for decades now.

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    This is not to say that there’s nothing good happening, but I am particularly exercised by the disturbing “there, there” tone coming from our own folks looking into the clear-cut bribery scandal in the highest offices in the land, for decades now.

    I think it’s still early in the process – I don’t think this investigation is over. Nor would I say it’s as “clear-cut” as you claim: Biden has been effective in avoiding getting his actual fingerprints on anything. The implications are there, the appearance of influence-peddling is blatant, but that’s not the same as actual proof of criminal wrongdoing.  I’m convinced he’s a deeply corrupt, influence-peddling, incompetent, senile scumbag, which is why I want him out of office regardless of what the House does or does not do. And I haven’t heard the “there, there” tone you mention – can you give me some examples?

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    You’re really going to double down on that?  Work out your issues somewhere else.

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    You’re really going to double down on that? Work out your issues somewhere else.

    What issues? I don’t want Biden. It’s not complicated. Basing whether or not you make Biden’s re-election more or less possible based on the actions of the House – now those are issues. 

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    You’re really going to double down on that? Work out your issues somewhere else.

    What issues? I don’t want Biden. It’s not complicated. Basing whether or not you make Biden’s re-election more or less possible based on the actions of the House – now those are issues.

    I mean whatever personal issues cause your inability either to read or to be civil.

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    You’re really going to double down on that? Work out your issues somewhere else.

    What issues? I don’t want Biden. It’s not complicated. Basing whether or not you make Biden’s re-election more or less possible based on the actions of the House – now those are issues.

    I mean whatever personal issues cause your inability either to read or to be civil.

    I can read and I’ve been civil. 

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    You’re really going to double down on that? Work out your issues somewhere else.

    What issues? I don’t want Biden. It’s not complicated. Basing whether or not you make Biden’s re-election more or less possible based on the actions of the House – now those are issues.

    I mean whatever personal issues cause your inability either to read or to be civil.

    That’s obtuse.

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    So here’s my question: I believe the Reps have enough people in the House to begin impeachment proceedings. I think in many ways it’s a huge waste of time and energy. On the other hand, I think as Comer’s investigation gets stickier, he’s going to get more pushback from the FBI or any other agencies. And I don’t think much can happen if they push back against subpoenas. But on a third hand, if they refuse to cooperate, we can make things really ugly by starting the impeachment procedures, since we already have lots of information. In fact, I wonder if the investigation on the Biden Crime Family is really preparation for an impeachment. Maybe we can convince the FBI behind the scenes that they’d better cough up the information NOW or just watch the investigation switch to an impeachment process. Does that have potential?

    Right now, the New York Times (“All the News that Fits Our Narrative”) is reporting that the GOP has uncovered “no evidence of wrongdoing.”

    Here’s a question the NYT could look into: is over 150 Suspicious Activity Reports for one person a lot? I mean, maybe SARs fall like rain in the world of high-power journalism. Could be Maureen Dowd has that many already this year.

    I’m sure we all agree, no one at Burisma was paying Hunter Biden for his mad skilz in the energy industry. All roads lead to the Big Guy and influence peddling. If we had a real justice system . . .

    And an actual press….

    You mean the kind that comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable? the kind that speaks Truth to Power? the kind that gives the news impartially, without fear or favor?

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    That’s more of a choice in the primaries than in the general.

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    That’s more of a choice in the primaries than in the general.

    Yes, I agree. I did specify the primary in one of my preceding comments.

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    That’s more of a choice in the primaries than in the general.

    Yes, I agree. I did specify the primary in one of my preceding comments.

    So the question then becomes, if the primaries don’t end up selecting someone you think could beat Biden, do you then stay home or vote third party or something, thus helping to produce a self-fulfilling prophecy?

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    That’s more of a choice in the primaries than in the general.

    Yes, I agree. I did specify the primary in one of my preceding comments.

    So the question then becomes, if the primaries don’t end up selecting someone you think could beat Biden, do you then stay home or vote third party or something, thus helping to produce a self-fulfilling prophecy?

    It doesn’t matter in my case – I live in Minnesota, which will go for Biden. If I lived in a state where my vote actually mattered, then yes, I would vote for the nominee.

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    I am wondering if Garland will continue to kill the Biden investigations directly or will he choose a special prosecutor to kill it and any questions about ongoing investigations.

    Somebody needs to make up some BINGO cards of how the investigation will go, media misdirections and all. Maybe the New York Times could turn them into a Wordle-type game.

    I like it.  I see the Durham report has come out.   To summarize, “mistakes were made.  move on.”

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives. Neither you nor I can vote in their stead, so they will do what they will regardless of what we do. What would have a great effect, however, is a GOP racking up some wins with power they already have. Nothing says “You were right, we’re just a bunch of clock-watching decay-profiteers,” quite like not being able to put any points on the board with this ridiculous administration in power.

    This is not to say that there’s nothing good happening, but I am particularly exercised by the disturbing “there, there” tone coming from our own folks looking into the clear-cut bribery scandal in the highest offices in the land, for decades now.

    Exactly 

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  18. Painter Jean Moderator
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    I’m sure we all agree, no one at Burisma was paying Hunter Biden for his mad skilz in the energy industry. All roads lead to the Big Guy and influence peddling. If we had a real justice system . . .

    And an actual press….

    You mean the kind that comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable? the kind that speaks Truth to Power? the kind that gives the news impartially, without fear or favor?

    Yes and no. To be honest, I’ve always had problems with the “comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable” line. I mean, what if there’s a good reason some particular afflicted are afflicted? Maybe they’ve acted in a way  – abused drugs, performed poorly at work, cheated on their spouse -that has resulted in their affliction. And what if the comfortable haven’t done anything worth being afflicted for? Maybe they’ve just worked hard to earn their comfortable status.

    But yes, I sure wish we had a press that wasn’t just the propaganda arm of the Democratic party.

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  19. Percival Thatcher
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    I’m sure we all agree, no one at Burisma was paying Hunter Biden for his mad skilz in the energy industry. All roads lead to the Big Guy and influence peddling. If we had a real justice system . . .

    And an actual press….

    You mean the kind that comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable? the kind that speaks Truth to Power? the kind that gives the news impartially, without fear or favor?

    Yes and no. To be honest, I’ve always had problems with the “comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable” line. I mean, what if there’s a good reason some particular afflicted are afflicted? Maybe they’ve acted in a way – abused drugs, performed poorly at work, cheated on their spouse -that has resulted in their affliction. And what if the comfortable haven’t done anything worth being afflicted for? Maybe they’ve just worked hard to earn their comfortable status.

    But yes, I sure wish we had a press that wasn’t just the propaganda arm of the Democratic party.

    Finley Peter Dunne was responsible for that line, and guess what? Dunne, a newspaperman, was making fun of newspapermen. 

    Th’ newspaper does ivrything f’r us. It runs th’ polis foorce an’ th’ banks, commands th’ milishy, controls th’ ligislachure, baptizes th’ young, marries th’ foolish, comforts th’ afflicted, afflicts th’ comfortable, buries th’ dead an’ roasts thim aftherward. They ain’t annything it don’t turn its hand to fr’m explainin’ th’ docthrine iv thransubstantiation to composin’ saleratus biskit.

    — Observations by Mr. Dooley, 1906.

    He (or rather, “Mr. Dooley”) also gave us “Politics ain’t beanbag.”

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    I’m sure we all agree, no one at Burisma was paying Hunter Biden for his mad skilz in the energy industry. All roads lead to the Big Guy and influence peddling. If we had a real justice system . . .

    And an actual press….

    You mean the kind that comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable? the kind that speaks Truth to Power? the kind that gives the news impartially, without fear or favor?

    Yes and no. To be honest, I’ve always had problems with the “comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable” line. I mean, what if there’s a good reason some particular afflicted are afflicted? Maybe they’ve acted in a way – abused drugs, performed poorly at work, cheated on their spouse -that has resulted in their affliction. And what if the comfortable haven’t done anything worth being afflicted for? Maybe they’ve just worked hard to earn their comfortable status.

    But yes, I sure wish we had a press that wasn’t just the propaganda arm of the Democratic party.

    Finley Peter Dunne was responsible for that line, and guess what? Dunne, a newspaperman, was making fun of newspapermen.

    Th’ newspaper does ivrything f’r us. It runs th’ polis foorce an’ th’ banks, commands th’ milishy, controls th’ ligislachure, baptizes th’ young, marries th’ foolish, comforts th’ afflicted, afflicts th’ comfortable, buries th’ dead an’ roasts thim aftherward. They ain’t annything it don’t turn its hand to fr’m explainin’ th’ docthrine iv thransubstantiation to composin’ saleratus biskit.

    Observations by Mr. Dooley, 1906.

    He (or rather, “Mr. Dooley”) also gave us “Politics ain’t beanbag.”

    Thank you! I didn’t know that – I appreciate learning the story!

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  21. Painter Jean Moderator
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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives. Neither you nor I can vote in their stead, so they will do what they will regardless of what we do. What would have a great effect, however, is a GOP racking up some wins with power they already have. Nothing says “You were right, we’re just a bunch of clock-watching decay-profiteers,” quite like not being able to put any points on the board with this ridiculous administration in power.

    This is not to say that there’s nothing good happening, but I am particularly exercised by the disturbing “there, there” tone coming from our own folks looking into the clear-cut bribery scandal in the highest offices in the land, for decades now.

    Exactly

    I’m still waiting for examples of the “there, there” tone that is being claimed here. Do you have any examples, Bryan? BDB didn’t provide any – maybe you can?

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    The implications are there, the appearance of influence-peddling is blatant, but that’s not the same as actual proof of criminal wrongdoing. 

    Sufficient for him to be removed from office, though. 

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Way to miss the point.

    I must say that, with the passage of time and further discussion, I feel much better about missing the point.

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  24. Painter Jean Moderator
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    The implications are there, the appearance of influence-peddling is blatant, but that’s not the same as actual proof of criminal wrongdoing.

    Sufficient for him to be removed from office, though.

    I think his actions bypassing Congress regarding “forgiving” student loans and his dereliction of duty at the border are sufficient as well.

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  25. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Way to miss the point.

    I must say that, with the passage of time and further discussion, I feel much better about missing the point.

    There you go PJ

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    I’m sure we all agree, no one at Burisma was paying Hunter Biden for his mad skilz in the energy industry. All roads lead to the Big Guy and influence peddling. If we had a real justice system . . .

    And an actual press….

    You mean the kind that comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable? the kind that speaks Truth to Power? the kind that gives the news impartially, without fear or favor?

    Yes and no. To be honest, I’ve always had problems with the “comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable” line. I mean, what if there’s a good reason some particular afflicted are afflicted? Maybe they’ve acted in a way – abused drugs, performed poorly at work, cheated on their spouse -that has resulted in their affliction. And what if the comfortable haven’t done anything worth being afflicted for? Maybe they’ve just worked hard to earn their comfortable status.

    But yes, I sure wish we had a press that wasn’t just the propaganda arm of the Democratic party.

    Finley Peter Dunne was responsible for that line, and guess what? Dunne, a newspaperman, was making fun of newspapermen.

    Th’ newspaper does ivrything f’r us. It runs th’ polis foorce an’ th’ banks, commands th’ milishy, controls th’ ligislachure, baptizes th’ young, marries th’ foolish, comforts th’ afflicted, afflicts th’ comfortable, buries th’ dead an’ roasts thim aftherward. They ain’t annything it don’t turn its hand to fr’m explainin’ th’ docthrine iv thransubstantiation to composin’ saleratus biskit.

    Observations by Mr. Dooley, 1906.

    He (or rather, “Mr. Dooley”) also gave us “Politics ain’t beanbag.”

    Thank you! I didn’t know that – I appreciate learning the story!

    Teddy Roosevelt was a big fan, even though Dunne took shots at him. Maybe because Dunne took shots at him. 

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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    That’s more of a choice in the primaries than in the general.

    Yes, I agree. I did specify the primary in one of my preceding comments.

    So the question then becomes, if the primaries don’t end up selecting someone you think could beat Biden, do you then stay home or vote third party or something, thus helping to produce a self-fulfilling prophecy?

    It doesn’t matter in my case – I live in Minnesota, which will go for Biden. If I lived in a state where my vote actually mattered, then yes, I would vote for the nominee.

    So what you’re saying is that you will vote for Biden?

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  28. Painter Jean Moderator
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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    That’s more of a choice in the primaries than in the general.

    Yes, I agree. I did specify the primary in one of my preceding comments.

    So the question then becomes, if the primaries don’t end up selecting someone you think could beat Biden, do you then stay home or vote third party or something, thus helping to produce a self-fulfilling prophecy?

    It doesn’t matter in my case – I live in Minnesota, which will go for Biden. If I lived in a state where my vote actually mattered, then yes, I would vote for the nominee.

    So what you’re saying is that you will vote for Biden?

    What?! No! I won’t vote for any Democrat. I’ll just leave it blank at the presidential slot. Or I could write someone in, I suppose.

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    […]

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    That’s more of a choice in the primaries than in the general.

    Yes, I agree. I did specify the primary in one of my preceding comments.

    So the question then becomes, if the primaries don’t end up selecting someone you think could beat Biden, do you then stay home or vote third party or something, thus helping to produce a self-fulfilling prophecy?

    It doesn’t matter in my case – I live in Minnesota, which will go for Biden. If I lived in a state where my vote actually mattered, then yes, I would vote for the nominee.

    So what you’re saying is that you will vote for Biden?

    What?! No! I won’t vote for any Democrat. I’ll just leave it blank at the presidential slot. Or I could write someone in, I suppose.

    I hereby revise my revised remarks.

    Well, have a nice day.

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  30. TBA Coolidge
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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

    What I’m saying is, I will vote for a candidate in the primary that has a chance to beat Biden, regardless of what the House does or does not do in regards to impeachment. I don’t want four more years of Biden.

    Your commendable placid pragmatism is unfortunately not shared by a huge number of conservatives.

    Including you, obviously. You can call my desire to get rid of Biden “placid pragmatism” if you wish, but I think it’s far simpler than that – I don’t want Biden for four more years. That means I will vote for a candidate who can beat him.

    Trump is one such candidate. Do you have another? 

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