The House is Not About to Impeach Biden — Is That Trump’s Fault?

 

Yes, a bit of a poke-in-the-eye post, but I want this on the record for when Trump is the nominee and the NT wailing brigade goes full klaxon about how it’s Trump’s fault we can’t win in 2024.

I am not supporting or defending Trump per se. I do not feel that he will win the general. On the other hand, I certainly have no patience for the same people sneering the same “proof” offered last time.

My point is that if the GOP does not put some points on the board, or at least get some cool-looking scars and a great story, they will cause another angry protest primary. We got lucky last time. That will not happen again.

So that’s where I’m coming from. If the GOP will not use the tools in its hands, they can expect people like me to get all Trump again. And I will not find reasonable any establishment wanking about Trump this and Trump that.

How many actions surpassing even the most lurid interpretations of the “Ukraine phone call” does Biden commit daily?  I’m confident it’s one or more.  Yet what we see so far is an aw-shucksy nothin’ to see here. 

Remember this non-impeachment, and frankly whitewash, when for some inexplicable reason, Trump is leading going into the primary.

Note: This post was SUBSTANTIALLY edited to include clarifying text from my comment #13.   Some comments before that won’t make much sense below the post as it is now.  Please keep that in mind.

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  1. Arahant Member
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    Things only go one direction.

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  2. Hoyacon Member
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    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

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  3. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Way to miss the point.

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  4. BDB Inactive
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the  opposite.  I think that Trump will not likely win no matter what.  But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

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  5. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Based on the track record, we should assume that the GOP will not punish D.C. crimes.   This assumption holds until a significant number of Dems are jailed.   Trump is a convenient scapegoat for a failed Republican Party machine.

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  6. Doctor Robert Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee.   QED.

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  7. BDB Inactive
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    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock.  I just said that.  And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right?  I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference.  Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

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  8. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    Trumpity, Trumpery Trumperoo

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  9. Ed G. Member
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    As we get closer to 2024 im starting to recognize the old grooves. Ruts, really.

    I’d be happy to follow some new thing out of those old ruts. I’d be unhappy wasting time rolling around the mud of those ruts pulling each other back down.

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  10. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Everything is Trump’s fault at all times.   

     

     

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    Not Trump’s fault no matter the outcome of the 2024 election or anything else that happens beyond uncovering the full extent of the Leftist conspiracy to undermine America. Now that would be Trump’s fault and it is clear that is what is behind all the effort to bring him down.

    I’ve already asked anyone who thinks there is a good reason not to have Trump as President, what are those reasons?

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  12. Hoyacon Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Way to miss the point.

    I apologize for missing the extreme subtlety involved here but it seems a reasonable interpretation of paragraph 1.

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  13. BDB Inactive
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Way to miss the point.

    I apologize for missing the extreme subtlety involved here but it seems a reasonable interpretation of paragraph 1.

    You know me.  Mister subtlety.  

    Fair enough, given our argumentative and topical history.  I am not supporting or defending Trump per se.  I do not feel that he will win the general.  On the other hand, I certainly have no patience for the same people sneering the same “proof” offered last time.  

    My point is that if the GOP does not put some points on the board, or at least get some cool-looking scars and a great story, they will cause another angry protest primary.  We got lucky last time.  That will not happen again.  

    So that’s where I’m coming from.  If the GOP will not use the tools in its hands, they can expect people like me to get all Trump again.  And I will not find reasonable any establishment wanking about Trump this and Trump that.  

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  14. BDB Inactive
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    Text from comment above added to post.

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  15. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    If I could vote a straight ticket negative 1 vote for the Democratic party  I would ( remove one vote from every Democrat nominee on my ballot ). Alas, that is not an option,  so I will vote in the general election for whatever candidate is most likely to beat the democrat.   That is presumably, but not necessarily, the republican nominee.  I will probably vote in the republican primary,  probably for DeSantis,  as the candidate most congenial to my political preferences, and as the candidate most likely the beat the democrat in the general election.     I expect Trump to have a resounding victory in the primaries, to get the nomination, and to lose the general election by a small number of votes in a large number of states.   Trump has a large number of enthusiastic supporters.   He has a larger number of people who will vote enthusiastically for whoever or whatever opposes him.

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  16. The Reticulator Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Way to miss the point.

    Here is the point, well-stated from paragraph 3:

    My point is that if the GOP does not put some points on the board, or at least get some cool-looking scars and a great story, they will cause another angry protest primary.

    I’m not seeing any of those scars.   Maybe somebody who is more intimate with GOPe Republicans than I am can look in places I haven’t seen.  Photos might help, too.   Keep it PG, though. 

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  17. kedavis Coolidge
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):
    He has a larger number of people who will vote enthusiastically for whoever or whatever opposes him.

    Those people deserve whatever they get.  Unfortunately other people get it too.

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  18. BDB Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    Maybe somebody who is more intimate with GOPe Republicans than I am can look in places I haven’t seen. 

    You seek the Kwisatz Half-a-Loaf!

    https://ricochet.com/288753/paul-atryan-muaddammit-kwisatz-half-a-loaf/

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  19. The Reticulator Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    Maybe somebody who is more intimate with GOPe Republicans than I am can look in places I haven’t seen.

    You seek the Kwisatz Half-a-Loaf!

    https://ricochet.com/288753/paul-atryan-muaddammit-kwisatz-half-a-loaf/

    Ha. I had missed that one. 

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  20. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):
    He has a larger number of people who will vote enthusiastically for whoever or whatever opposes him.

    Those people deserve whatever they get. Unfortunately other people get it too.

    I don’t disagree.   Those people deserve what they get;  my family and I do not deserve Biden or any of the democrats.

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  21. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    So here’s my question: I believe the Reps have enough people in the House to begin impeachment proceedings. I think in many ways it’s a huge waste of time and energy. On the other hand, I think as Comer’s investigation gets stickier, he’s going to get more pushback from the FBI or any other agencies. And I don’t think much can happen if they push back against subpoenas. But on a third hand, if they refuse to cooperate, we can make things really ugly by starting the impeachment procedures, since we already have lots of information. In fact, I wonder if the investigation on the Biden Crime Family is really preparation for an impeachment. Maybe we can convince the FBI behind the scenes that they’d better cough up the information NOW or just watch the investigation switch to an impeachment process. Does that have potential?

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  22. The Reticulator Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    So here’s my question: I believe the Reps have enough people in the House to begin impeachment proceedings. I think in many ways it’s a huge waste of time and energy. On the other hand, I think as Comer’s investigation gets stickier, he’s going to get more pushback from the FBI or any other agencies. And I don’t think much can happen if they push back against subpoenas. But on a third hand, if they refuse to cooperate, we can make things really ugly by starting the impeachment procedures, since we already have lots of information. In fact, I wonder if the investigation on the Biden Crime Family is really preparation for an impeachment. Maybe we can convince the FBI behind the scenes that they’d better cough up the information NOW or just watch the investigation switch to an impeachment process. Does that have potential?

    Maybe. Good question. You have the right idea about keeping the pressure on.  Whether this is the way to do that I don’t know for sure, but I’m sure that the wrong way is by sitting on our thumbs. 

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  23. Percival Thatcher
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    So here’s my question: I believe the Reps have enough people in the House to begin impeachment proceedings. I think in many ways it’s a huge waste of time and energy. On the other hand, I think as Comer’s investigation gets stickier, he’s going to get more pushback from the FBI or any other agencies. And I don’t think much can happen if they push back against subpoenas. But on a third hand, if they refuse to cooperate, we can make things really ugly by starting the impeachment procedures, since we already have lots of information. In fact, I wonder if the investigation on the Biden Crime Family is really preparation for an impeachment. Maybe we can convince the FBI behind the scenes that they’d better cough up the information NOW or just watch the investigation switch to an impeachment process. Does that have potential?

    Right now, the New York Times (“All the News that Fits Our Narrative”) is reporting that the GOP has uncovered “no evidence of wrongdoing.” 

    Here’s a question the NYT could look into: is over 150 Suspicious Activity Reports for one person a lot? I mean, maybe SARs fall like rain in the world of high-power journalism.  Could be Maureen Dowd has that many already this year.

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  24. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    So here’s my question: I believe the Reps have enough people in the House to begin impeachment proceedings. I think in many ways it’s a huge waste of time and energy. On the other hand, I think as Comer’s investigation gets stickier, he’s going to get more pushback from the FBI or any other agencies. And I don’t think much can happen if they push back against subpoenas. But on a third hand, if they refuse to cooperate, we can make things really ugly by starting the impeachment procedures, since we already have lots of information. In fact, I wonder if the investigation on the Biden Crime Family is really preparation for an impeachment. Maybe we can convince the FBI behind the scenes that they’d better cough up the information NOW or just watch the investigation switch to an impeachment process. Does that have potential?

    Right now, the New York Times (“All the News that Fits Our Narrative”) is reporting that the GOP has uncovered “no evidence of wrongdoing.”

    Here’s a question the NYT could look into: is over 150 Suspicious Activity Reports for one person a lot? I mean, maybe SARs fall like rain in the world of high-power journalism. Could be Maureen Dowd has that many already this year.

    I’m sure we all agree, no one at Burisma was paying Hunter Biden for his mad skilz in the energy industry. All roads lead to the Big Guy and influence peddling. If we had a real justice system . . . 

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  25. Percival Thatcher
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    So here’s my question: I believe the Reps have enough people in the House to begin impeachment proceedings. I think in many ways it’s a huge waste of time and energy. On the other hand, I think as Comer’s investigation gets stickier, he’s going to get more pushback from the FBI or any other agencies. And I don’t think much can happen if they push back against subpoenas. But on a third hand, if they refuse to cooperate, we can make things really ugly by starting the impeachment procedures, since we already have lots of information. In fact, I wonder if the investigation on the Biden Crime Family is really preparation for an impeachment. Maybe we can convince the FBI behind the scenes that they’d better cough up the information NOW or just watch the investigation switch to an impeachment process. Does that have potential?

    Right now, the New York Times (“All the News that Fits Our Narrative”) is reporting that the GOP has uncovered “no evidence of wrongdoing.”

    Here’s a question the NYT could look into: is over 150 Suspicious Activity Reports for one person a lot? I mean, maybe SARs fall like rain in the world of high-power journalism. Could be Maureen Dowd has that many already this year.

    I’m sure we all agree, no one at Burisma was paying Hunter Biden for his mad skilz in the energy industry. All roads lead to the Big Guy and influence peddling. If we had a real justice system . . .

    All of those shell corporations got set up to confuse anyone trying to figure out where the money was from and where it was going. You don’t need all that otherwise.

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  26. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Democrats and the Ten Notorious Republicans in the House plus Mitt Romney diluted the meaning of impeachment anyway. Even if Biden were (justifiably) impeached for his corruption and selling us out the Chinese, what are the chances he’d be removed from office? If they couldn’t do it to their favorite whipping boy, they can’t do it Biden. Impeachment is a big “meh” now. Sort of like being called “raaaacist.”

    Whatever.

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  27. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    I am wondering if Garland will continue to kill the Biden investigations directly or will he choose a special prosecutor to kill it and any questions about ongoing investigations. 

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  28. The Reticulator Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    I am wondering if Garland will continue to kill the Biden investigations directly or will he choose a special prosecutor to kill it and any questions about ongoing investigations.

    Somebody needs to make up some BINGO cards of how the investigation will go, media misdirections and all.   Maybe the New York Times could turn them into a Wordle-type game. 

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  29. Painter Jean Moderator
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Doctor Robert (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Because Trump will surely win if Biden is impeached?

    Oh, quite the opposite. I think that Trump will not likely win noatter what. But this is how to get him as the nominee again.

    Surely.

    Which is why he must NOT be our nominee. QED.

    No shinola, Sherlock. I just said that. And so the GOP must um, you know, do something to earn itself those votes, right? I mean it’s all so clear, right, yet you stop halfway with the inference. Why?

    Stack up “musts” and NOTs” and “QEDs” as much as you like, but Trump WILL be the nominee regardless of anything you say or do if the GOP does not find a way to earn back some mindshare.

    So, what you’re saying is that unless the House impeaches Biden, you’re going to vote for Trump in the primary, though you’re fairly sure he won’t win the general. So, if Biden isn’t impeached, you’ll make sure he’s re-elected?

    Why in the world would I want to sign onto this proposition?!

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  30. Painter Jean Moderator
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    So here’s my question: I believe the Reps have enough people in the House to begin impeachment proceedings. I think in many ways it’s a huge waste of time and energy. On the other hand, I think as Comer’s investigation gets stickier, he’s going to get more pushback from the FBI or any other agencies. And I don’t think much can happen if they push back against subpoenas. But on a third hand, if they refuse to cooperate, we can make things really ugly by starting the impeachment procedures, since we already have lots of information. In fact, I wonder if the investigation on the Biden Crime Family is really preparation for an impeachment. Maybe we can convince the FBI behind the scenes that they’d better cough up the information NOW or just watch the investigation switch to an impeachment process. Does that have potential?

    Right now, the New York Times (“All the News that Fits Our Narrative”) is reporting that the GOP has uncovered “no evidence of wrongdoing.”

    Here’s a question the NYT could look into: is over 150 Suspicious Activity Reports for one person a lot? I mean, maybe SARs fall like rain in the world of high-power journalism. Could be Maureen Dowd has that many already this year.

    I’m sure we all agree, no one at Burisma was paying Hunter Biden for his mad skilz in the energy industry. All roads lead to the Big Guy and influence peddling. If we had a real justice system . . .

    And an actual press….

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