Another Mass Shooting in Texas

 

I have no idea what the solution is.

I mean, I do: intact Families and a culture that does not promote despair and rage.

But since that is not on the table, I have no idea. Taking away guns from citizens has never been shown to work in this nation. That seems to be all that is ever proposed.

Guns have always been in the hands of the people. Mass shootings are a sign of sickness in America as much as theft of AC parts. In the great depression, people did not rob infrastructure. We are sick and dying as a society.

Not enough people believe in anything but getting what is good for themselves or in hurting others because of their pain. It is the Republic of Rome in its last days.

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  1. Seawriter Contributor
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    I understand the shooter’s family has asked for a translator.

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  2. ctlaw Coolidge
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    https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/who-was-allen-outlet-mall-shooter-what-we-know/287-6e49cb7a-304e-43fa-b791-990ea8780f28

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  3. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    What I hate  most is that the ONLY solution that people seem to never think of is to pass more gun control laws. After all, if only it was illegal to shoot people then these tragedies wouldn’t happen. Maybe we need to make mass shootings illegal?  In a country like ours, how can a mass shootings still be legal? It’s time we passed a law that makes .ass shooting illegal…wait, I’ve just been handed a note. Mass shooting ARE illegal already?  Then how can they be happening?

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  4. Jimmy Carter Member
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    The real story is there were 9 people at a mall.

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  5. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    The real story is there were 9 people at a mall.

    Please take jokes in poor taste elsewhere.  How offensive.  

     My daughter and her friends go to the mall and in a mass shooting at a mall they could usually be dead.

     

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  6. Kevin Schulte Member
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    Well, he wasn’t a Trump supporter or white nationalist . Otherwise we would know who he is on every news outlet by now . 

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):
    What I hate  most is that the ONLY solution that people seem to never think of is to pass more gun control laws.

    99% of people talking like this have no idea of what they are saying. They don’t study anything. 

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):
    Maybe we need to make mass shootings illegal?

    The ones that make the news like this are statistically nothing. Worrying about rifles is a waste of time. 

    Wipeout gun free zones.

    Prosecute straw purchasers. People that knock themselves out for law school don’t want to do this, but nobody has any better ideas. 

    Easier said than done, but make sure the NICS system is full. The church shooter in Texas, recently never should have been able to purchase a handgun. The Air Force didn’t fill up the NICS system. They literally added thousands of names after that incident.

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  8. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/who-was-allen-outlet-mall-shooter-what-we-know/287-6e49cb7a-304e-43fa-b791-990ea8780f28

    Let me nit pick the news coverage in the above article.  In general, local news is bad, but better than nothing.

    Neighbors say they don’t recall any police activity or problems at the residence. 

      The news did a good job talking to neighbors.

    At this time, the suspect’s name is not being released because his identity and connection to the shooting in Allen has not yet been officially confirmed. 

      Fair.

    But neighbors say the suspect always wore some kind of security guard uniform, although no one says they ever saw him with any kind of weapon. They say he was very quiet, but they say they did notice certain unusual and quiet behaviors.

       What does this mean.  Neighbors *did* notice certain quiet behaviors?  Or did not?   What is a “quiet behavior” that is noticeable?  

    Federal agents will likely spend days — or even weeks — going through all of the suspected shooter’s belongings, computers, phones and anything else they can find to determine a possible motive in the shooting.

    Dallas Police Department computers are still down after the city’s system was attacked by ransomware on Wednesday, so it’s hard for them get information on prior calls to the home, they say.

        This seems like it should be a huge story, but it is not because it happens someplace every day.  But that is an even bigger story.   

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  9. BDB Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    Wipeout gun free zones.

    This.  I avoid them when I can.  Deathtraps.

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  10. Red Herring Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):
    What I hate most is that the ONLY solution that people seem to never think of is to pass more gun control laws.

    99% of people talking like this have no idea of what they are saying. They don’t study anything.

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):
    Maybe we need to make mass shootings illegal?

    The ones that make the news like this are statistically nothing. Worrying about rifles is a waste of time.

    Wipeout gun free zones.

    Prosecute straw purchasers. People that knock themselves out for law school don’t want to do this, but nobody has any better ideas.

    Easier said than done, but make sure the NICS system is full. The church shooter in Texas, recently never should have been able to purchase a handgun. The Air Force didn’t fill up the NICS system. They literally added thousands of names after that incident.

    NICS is a bandaid for politicians to delay or avoid addressing the sick culture. To avoid a burden, they shift it onto law abiding citizens.

     

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  11. RufusRJones Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):
    What I hate most is that the ONLY solution that people seem to never think of is to pass more gun control laws.

    99% of people talking like this have no idea of what they are saying. They don’t study anything.

    David C. Broussard (View Comment):
    Maybe we need to make mass shootings illegal?

    The ones that make the news like this are statistically nothing. Worrying about rifles is a waste of time.

    Wipeout gun free zones.

    Prosecute straw purchasers. People that knock themselves out for law school don’t want to do this, but nobody has any better ideas.

    Easier said than done, but make sure the NICS system is full. The church shooter in Texas, recently never should have been able to purchase a handgun. The Air Force didn’t fill up the NICS system. They literally added thousands of names after that incident.

    NICS is a bandaid for politicians to delay or avoid addressing the sick culture. To avoid a burden, they shift it onto law abiding citizens.

     

    What legislation do you recommend?

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  12. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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  13. GlenEisenhardt Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens: I mean I do: Intact Families and a culture that does not promote despair and rage

    That would require an alternative to the promoted leftist morality pushed in this country. Unfortunately the alternative is nothing more than cut corporate taxes and gubment bad!

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  14. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Understand that eventually all weapons will be taken from the citizens of this country.  It is just a matter of time and the government’s will.   Eventually they will find it.  Especially now that the Democrats seem to have found the ability to sort their elections out.

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  15. W Bob Member
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    Psychiatric meds are the likely culprit. Both SSRIs and benzos have suicide warnings on them. And for SSRIs the suicide warnings are for the age group that usually commits these massacres. If you’re suicidal or homicidal, what holds you back from acting on your urge is fear, which is lessened by these meds. If you research all the info on these shootings, buried deep down in the footnotes you’ll usually see the shooter was on one of these type of meds. The shooting the other day in that hospital was done by a guy who was in withdrawal from lorazepam. These massacres really got rolling in the 90s after SSRIs became widely used. 

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  16. BDB Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Understand that eventually all weapons will be taken from the citizens of this country. It is just a matter of time and the government’s will. Eventually they will find it. Especially now that the Democrats seem to have found the ability to sort their elections out.

    Make it as expensive as possible for them to disarm you.  No, this is not a complete solution, but an indispensible part of any solution.

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  17. BDB Inactive
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    W Bob (View Comment):

    Psychiatric meds are the likely culprit. Both SSRIs and benzos have suicide warnings on them. And for SSRIs the suicide warnings are for the age group that usually commits these massacres. If you’re suicidal or homicidal, what holds you back from acting on your urge is fear, which is lessened by these meds. If you research all the info on these shootings, buried deep down in the footnotes you’ll usually see the shooter was on one of these type of meds. The shooting the other day in that hospital was done by a guy who was in withdrawal from lorazepam. These massacres really got rolling in the 90s after SSRIs became widely used.

    Agree wholeheartedly with this line of reasoning — would love a source or more if you happen to have such handy.  Might save me some homework if you already have it.

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  18. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    Culture enthralled with violence + individualism (the emphasis on fame, attention, self expression, etc) + the decline of institutions that foster family and community + mental health crisis + availability of guns = a lot of mass shootings. Apparently. 

    I don’t claim to have a solution either.  Only so much that can be done politically about any of those things.

    In the meantime, if I ran a school, owned a mall or some other public venue, I’d have to look into some major security measures. Airport like. May not be feasible but I think you’d have to look into it.

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  19. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    In the meantime, if I ran a school, owned a mall or some other public venue, I’d have to look into some major security measures. Airport like. May not be feasible but I think you’d have to look into it.

     

    Outdoor “malls” are common in Texas.  There are no entry points, just lots of stores around lots of parking.   

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    + the decline of institutions that foster family and community +

    Gee, how did this happen? We could fix it at gunpoint, so to speak. 

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    + availability of guns

    What does this mean?

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  21. BDB Inactive
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    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    individualism (the emphasis on fame, attention, self expression, etc)

    That’s a different sense of individualism than I’m used to using — or hearing.

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  22. TBA Coolidge
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    What I hate most is that the ONLY solution that people seem to never think of is to pass more gun control laws. 

    It’s almost like that’s what they want in the first place and they mostly just wait around for a reason to bring it up in the ‘national conversation’ again. 

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  23. Miffed White Male Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    What I hate most is that the ONLY solution that people seem to never think of is to pass more gun control laws. After all, if only it was illegal to shoot people then these tragedies wouldn’t happen. Maybe we need to make mass shootings illegal? In a country like ours, how can a mass shootings still be legal? It’s time we passed a law that makes .ass shooting illegal…wait, I’ve just been handed a note. Mass shooting ARE illegal already? Then how can they be happening?

     

    We have plenty of laws – Start by enforcing the gun laws we already have with an iron fist.  Stop making the gun charge the first thing that’s dropped in the plea bargain.

    If somebody lies on their gun purchase form <cough Hunter Biden cough> throw the book at them, don’t diddle around on a  charging decision for years.

    But the truth is, there is no way to “get rid of guns” without blowing up both the second and the fourth amendments to the Constitution.  

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  24. TBA Coolidge
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    We do this over and over and get nowhere – because there is nowhere to ‘get’. 

    There isn’t a single cause to this, there are multiple causes. 

    Somehow a mind conceives of shooting a lot of people as a desirable thing. Drugs of various kinds may help, but the common thing is a human and his agency. ‘His’ in the gender-specific sense, I would note. 

    There are no solutions to insanity or evil before the fact. 

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  25. BDB Inactive
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    TBA (View Comment):
    Somehow a mind conceives of shooting a lot of people as a desirable thing. Drugs of various kinds may help, but the common thing is a human and his agency. ‘His’ in the gender-specific sense, I would note. 

    In fact, that mind desires to kill a lot of people, and then a gun would seem to be the way to do it.  I submit that lack of access to firearms does indeed deter some, but not in the obvious way.  Firearms are “how to do it”, and no guns may equate to no means.  But when guns are “gone” (only available to the already powerful, criminal or otherwise), then the “means” may expand downward to make stabbing, beating, shoving into trains and traffic and so forth sweeten the opportunity for these damaged minds.

    I don’t know about you tough guys, but I do not see stabbing, beating, or shoving as viable defensive methods.  When guns are “gone”, the barrier to abuse of the innocent will be much lower in the calculus of those so motivated.

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  26. Django Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    We do this over and over and get nowhere – because there is nowhere to ‘get’.

    There isn’t a single cause to this, there are multiple causes.

    Somehow a mind conceives of shooting a lot of people as a desirable thing. Drugs of various kinds may help, but the common thing is a human and his agency. ‘His’ in the gender-specific sense, I would note.

    There are no solutions to insanity or evil before the fact.

    These are not fully-formed thoughts but today my mind is just twisted enough to imagine some sort of connection. In 1989, Spike Lee wrote and directed Do The Right Thing. I remember critics talking about a character who was always being obnoxious by carrying a loud boom box, AKA ghetto blaster, around. I think it was Lee who said that character just wanted to be acknowledged, to have people pay attention to him on occasion, and that he knew no other way, maybe had no other way, to get attention. Attention that he could imagine was respect. I wonder if some of the shooters are just extreme versions of that character, if they are more broken than evil. On a practical level, it doesn’t matter which, and I don’t have an answer to how they are stopped in the future. Stopping them with a well-placed bullet or two may be the only immediate option. 

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  27. Western Chauvinist Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):
    individualism (the emphasis on fame, attention, self expression, etc)

    That’s a different sense of individualism than I’m used to using — or hearing.

    Our society is suffering from radical individualism. “Your truth, my truth.” My “morality” trumps yours. Try telling the Dr. Mengele that mutilating children is neither “affirming” nor “care” and see what response you get. The grievance industry instructs that the community is beholden to you, not that you owe anything to your fellow man, let alone a God who will judge. 

    I’d like to amend my previous statement. Our society is suffering from radical, post-modern, atheistic individualism. People who believe in hell don’t do such things.

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  28. Django Member
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    DEVELOPING: 7 Confirmed Dead, and 11 Injured After Car Runs into Pedestrians in Brownsville, Texas – Suspect Arrested | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

    Black Man Charged with Hate Crime After Shooting Two Strangers in the Back of the Head “Because They Were White” | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

    It’s everywhere. 

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  29. Michael Minnott Member
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    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens: I mean I do: Intact Families and a culture that does not promote despair and rage

    That would require an alternative to the promoted leftist morality pushed in this country. Unfortunately the alternative is nothing more than cut corporate taxes and gubment bad!

    The “gubment” is instrumental to our current state of affairs.  Part of the state’s quest for power over its citizens is to replace the family and morality with itself and its technocratic dictates.

    The modern line of “believe the science” is nothing more than a clarion call for submission to the “gubment” as secular “god”.

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  30. BDB Inactive
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    GlenEisenhardt (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens: I mean I do: Intact Families and a culture that does not promote despair and rage

    That would require an alternative to the promoted leftist morality pushed in this country. Unfortunately the alternative is nothing more than cut corporate taxes and gubment bad!

    If only.  If we could get the party to support Gubment Bad, this would go a long way toward solving these ills.  How?

    We have invited government to do things which it simply cannot, and as it of course fails, the Big Gubment answer is to curtail the citizenry and expand itself.  These government powers and expectations are removed from the hands of the citizenry, and from the checklist of things that society or culture controls.

    The breakdown in morals, manners, and civility may be directly attributed to the rise of government “power” which exceeds its ability, but which nonetheless displaces that power from the hands of the people — God or no.

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