Obamacare = Compuserve

 

We win!

From The Chicago Sun-Times:

Trying to head off more bad news over the chaotic rollout of President Barack Obama’s health care law, the administration Thursday offered stopgap options so people whose existing plans got canceled are not penalized.

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said in a letter to a group of senators that she will use authorities in the law to issue a “hardship exemption” from tax penalties to those who received cancellations and were not able to line up new coverage.

The only leverage Obamacare ever had was what they called the “personal mandate” and what Chief Justice John Roberts called “just another tax.”

What we now know—and thanks to the passage of the law, we know what’s in it!—is that the Secretary of HHS has enormously broad powers to adjust the penalties and charges and regulations of the Affordable Care Act.

In effect, she can cancel it. Because if the tax penalty can be “waived” or “delayed” or “exempted,” why can’t it be so ordered for…ever? And without that stick, there’s no reason to eat the carrot.

My prediction: Obamacare will remain in place for the 10,000 or so folks who manage to log on and figure it out, but it’ll be essentially gone by March 2017. It will be like AOL or Compuserve.

There are 22 comments.

  1. Bereket Kelile Member

    One argument I have not heard enough, and wish republicans would emphasize, is that the program will be administered on an ad hoc basis. Even though this is supposed to be a one-size-fits-all program the rules are arbitrary. Like President Ford pointed out, they can make an offer today and revoke next month, and vice versa. Of course, the motivations for the change will be entirely political but also unpredictable.

    I don’t know if it’s just me but I don’t think that point is being driven home. I think the medicaid expansion study in Oregon showed that the main benefit is the false sense of security that come with being enrolled in a program, making people feel that they have a safety net. But this undermines any trust in the program.

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    • December 20, 2013, at 11:18 AM PDT
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  2. Profile Photo Member

    For the record, the Obamacare website works fine on my Apple Newton.

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    • December 20, 2013, at 11:29 AM PDT
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  3. DocJay Inactive

    So Act 2 has Obamacare failing. It’s a 5 act play and the GOP is bribed by the special interests which have driven costs up. Act 3 will be the GOP attempt to solve the issue with the whispers of lobbyists in their ears. Act 4 is the next failure and Act 5 is single payer.

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    • December 20, 2013, at 11:40 AM PDT
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  4. BrentB67 Inactive

    Good luck to the folks who had their policies cancelled finding non-Obamacare compliant polices at the old prices.

    This is a cop out by the admin. Everyone who was cancelled will be told those policies don’t exist when they call the insurance companies back. Then the admin can blame the insurance companies.

    Not that I feel sorry for the insurance companies. They laid down with the vipers, too late to cry about being bitten.

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    • December 20, 2013, at 11:40 AM PDT
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  5. Spin Coolidge

    Just as a side note, I refuse to hire anyone whose personal e-mail ends in aol.com or msn.com.

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    • December 20, 2013, at 11:45 AM PDT
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  6. Paul Dougherty Member

    I just had a thought. Be patient and I’ll try to share my new plan.

    What we need are some sort of protection from the apparently arbitrary enforcement of governing edicts. We need a framework of rules, laws, if you will. These “laws” would supercede the whims and notions of even the highest (double meaning) officials. This would go along way to evening the playing field and allow everyone to benefit and not just those closest (or most beneficial) to the ruling hierachy.

    Anyone else with me, or am I completely losing my grip on reality (as I suspect)?

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    • December 20, 2013, at 11:53 AM PDT
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  7. Commodore BTC Inactive
    Rob Long:

    What we now know—and thanks to the passage of the law, we know what’s in it!—is that the Secretary of HHS has enormously broad powers to adjust the penalties and charges and regulations of the Affordable Care Act. · · 2 hours ago

    Let’s not pretend the law gives Obama the authority to do what he’s doing.

    I have yet to hear a limiting principle from the left as to anything Obama could do re: healthcare that would be lawless.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 1:11 AM PDT
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  8. She Thatcher
    She

    It’s hard for me to see how I “win,” whatever happens.

    Prior to Obamacare, I was paying $387 a month for a good plan. I purchased it after my COBRA expired following a (somewhat) early retirement. I purchased it because I am a responsible, cautious soul.

    I’m not a huge consumer of healthcare resources, (she said, thankfully), and most of my annual expenses are for things like sheep-shearing accidents, and minor farm-related mishaps.

    Somehow, UPMC managed to change my enrollment date and ‘re-up’ me in the same plan for twelve months to end Dec 31, 2014, and they ‘only’ increased my monthly premium to upwards of $420 to do so. Seeing the Obamacare website/enrollment mess, and being a responsible, cautious soul, I was happy to take that deal, so basically I am set till the end of next year, at which time, based on the Obamacare tables, it looks like my premium for similar coverage will be about $720 with triple the out-of-pocket.

    But now even that’s uncertain, and it’s hard for me to see how uncertainty is a feature_not_a_bug.

    I think this will get worse before it gets better.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 1:20 AM PDT
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  9. Bereket Kelile Member
    KC Mulville
    Bereket Kelile: Maybe we should take bets on how long it will take for the GOP to cave and try to save Obamacare thinking it will help them.

    Find McCain! Send out an APB! (Aw heck, just canvass the TV studios …)

    When you find him, lock him in a room, remove the phones, and muzzle him. Oh, and by the way, bring enough food for Lindsay Graham. · 51 minutes ago

    We should probably do the same for Romney.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 1:45 AM PDT
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  10. Profile Photo Member
    Rob Long
    10 cents: Rob, I would have written about something other than lame web sites. Just wanted to Alert you to a potential problem. · 0 minutes ago

    I don’t know what you’re talking about. We are currently undergoing scheduled maintenance. · 1 hour ago

    After you get done with the maintenance would you turn off the lights and lock the doors. (I just paid for another year of membership. Sorry.)

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    • December 21, 2013, at 1:51 AM PDT
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  11. Johnny Dubya Inactive
    BrentB67
    Paul Dougherty: I just had a thought. Be patient and I’ll try to share my new plan.

    What we need are some sort of protection from the apparently arbitrary enforcement of governing edicts. We need a framework of rules, laws, if you will. These “laws” would supercede the whims and notions of even the highest (double meaning) officials. This would go along way to evening the playing field and allow everyone to benefit and not just those closest (or most beneficial) to the ruling hierachy.

    Anyone else with me, or am I completely losing my grip on reality (as I suspect)? · 1 minute ago

    What is this you speak of? Something like a Constitutional republic? What a quaint idea. I heard once upon a time America tried it, but they figured out they could vote themselves goodies from the public treasury funded by their future generations. It is a nice cocktail discussion, but certainly not relevant today. · 1 hour ago

    Such a charter would have to be a “living” document, so as to allow officials such as the Czar of HHS maximum latitude to give the American people exactly what they want–good and hard.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 2:05 AM PDT
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  12. G.A. Dean Inactive

    I can’t argue with your prediction, but I can argue that the comparison to CompuServe is inapt and unfair to CompuServe. At its peak C’Serve was a pretty big deal, it worked quite well and was, for the paleo-tech crowd, the best place to hang out on the “Information Superhighway”. As we know, of course, time and the rapidly evolving on-line world passed it by, but there’s no real shame in that. It had a good run.

    There were plenty of competitors to Aol and C’Serve that are better examples…remember GEnie? or Delphi? Both of those were much more successful than this Healthcare Exchange. The many on-line communities that sprang up in Web 1.0 and died just as quickly are largely forgotten. One of the nice features of the private market is how failures can go quietly away. We’ll be fortunate if this malformed beast vanishes as easily.

    (speaking as one who once was known on the Internet as “76440,1327”)

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    • December 21, 2013, at 2:07 AM PDT
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  13. Spin Coolidge

    crazy talk.

    Paul Dougherty: I just had a thought. Be patient and I’ll try to share my new plan.

    What we need are some sort of protection from the apparently arbitrary enforcement of governing edicts. We need a framework of rules, laws, if you will. These “laws” would supercede the whims and notions of even the highest (double meaning) officials. This would go along way to evening the playing field and allow everyone to benefit and not just those closest (or most beneficial) to the ruling hierachy.

    Anyone else with me, or am I completely losing my grip on reality (as I suspect)? · 12 minutes ago

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    • December 21, 2013, at 12:05 PM PDT
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  14. Clavius Thatcher

    Hey, back off.Compuserve worked. Worked well, in fact, even at 12oo baud

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    • December 21, 2013, at 12:08 PM PDT
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  15. Profile Photo Member

    Rob, I would have written about something other than lame web sites. Just wanted to Alert you to a potential problem.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 12:10 PM PDT
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  16. Rob Long Founder
    Rob Long Post author
    DocJay: So Act 2 has Obamacare failing. It’s a 5 act play and the GOP is bribed by the special interests which have driven costs up. Act 3 will be the GOP attempt to solve the issue with the whispers of lobbyists in their ears. Act 4 is the next failure and Act 5 is single payer. · 24 minutes ago

    Oh Lord. So depressing. So plausible!

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    • December 21, 2013, at 12:10 PM PDT
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  17. Rob Long Founder
    Rob Long Post author
    10 cents: Rob, I would have written about something other than lame web sites. Just wanted to Alert you to a potential problem. · 0 minutes ago

    I don’t know what you’re talking about. We are currently undergoing scheduled maintenance.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 12:12 PM PDT
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  18. BrentB67 Inactive
    Paul Dougherty: I just had a thought. Be patient and I’ll try to share my new plan.

    What we need are some sort of protection from the apparently arbitrary enforcement of governing edicts. We need a framework of rules, laws, if you will. These “laws” would supercede the whims and notions of even the highest (double meaning) officials. This would go along way to evening the playing field and allow everyone to benefit and not just those closest (or most beneficial) to the ruling hierachy.

    Anyone else with me, or am I completely losing my grip on reality (as I suspect)? · 1 minute ago

    What is this you speak of? Something like a Constitutional republic? What a quaint idea. I heard once upon a time America tried it, but they figured out they could vote themselves goodies from the public treasury funded by their future generations. It is a nice cocktail discussion, but certainly not relevant today.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 12:12 PM PDT
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  19. Bereket Kelile Member

    Maybe we should take bets on how long it will take for the GOP to cave and try to save Obamacare thinking it will help them.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 12:20 PM PDT
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  20. Paul Dougherty Member
    BrentB67
    Paul Dougherty: I just had a thought. Be patient and I’ll try to share my new plan.

    What is this you speak of? Something like a Constitutional republic? What a quaint idea. I heard once upon a time America tried it, but they figured out they could vote themselves goodies from the public treasury funded by their future generations. It is a nice cocktail discussion, but certainly not relevant today. · 6 minutes ago

    OK, well at least it was tried and failed. I’ll just go back to feeling like a out-of sync schmuck.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 12:23 PM PDT
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  21. KC Mulville Inactive
    Bereket Kelile: Maybe we should take bets on how long it will take for the GOP to cave and try to save Obamacare thinking it will help them.

    Find McCain! Send out an APB! (Aw heck, just canvass the TV studios …)

    When you find him, lock him in a room, remove the phones, and muzzle him. Oh, and by the way, bring enough food for Lindsay Graham.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 12:29 PM PDT
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  22. Vald the Misspeller Inactive
    DocJay: So Act 2 has Obamacare failing. It’s a 5 act play and the GOP is bribed by the special interests which have driven costs up. Act 3 will be the GOP attempt to solve the issue with the whispers of lobbyists in their ears. Act 4 is the next failure and Act 5 is single payer. · 51 minutes ago

    Aw come on Doc, let me help you up out of the Slough of Despond. Just for the holidays, after New Years we can hold hands and both jump back in.

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    • December 21, 2013, at 12:52 PM PDT
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