Toxic Masculinity in the Transgender Movement

 

Transgender Week continues:

Whatever existed in Audrey Hales’s heart, toxic masculinity flowed in her veins. Forbes is publicizing an article from the  Journal of Sexual Medicine (DOI: 10.1016/j.jsxm.2017.11.004) that studied women transitioning to men and the effects of testosterone treatments:

People undergoing female to male gender-affirming testosterone treatment are likely to experience increased aggression — which may be worse if their periods persist.

Creating characteristic male features in people who are transitioning requires testosterone. Increased testosterone has previously been linked to increased aggressive behavior, but has not been widely investigated in trans people.

“Toxic Masculinity” has become a favorite meme of the Left to attack the patriarchy and marginalize men. Instead, we are supposed to celebrate metrosexuality and any form of manhood (can we really say that anymore?) that is feminized. In reality, there is a great variety in male behaviors and civilization has long developed strategies over millennia to contain true toxic masculinity: the roles of protecting our nation and citizens, sports, physical jobs,  socialization by mentoring men, cultural and legal norms of behavior. Has it worked perfectly? No. If it had we would not have need for prisons, law enforcement, and what Professor Jordan Peterson refers to as “the implied potential for violence” by men to control the behavior of other men.

But now we may be seeing another “toxic masculinity” emerge for which we not only do not have the controls in place, but for which it is claimed that any external controls are discriminatory —

[P]articipants whose menstrual bleeding continued despite hormone treatment were more likely to feel and express anger in an uncontrolled way compared with those who achieved amenorrhea – one or more missed periods. It may be that bleeding had a symbolic value in these participants that reminded them of the gender conflict they were experiencing, which made it more difficult to suppress angry emotions. It’s something that needs further investigating, say the researchers.

They add that the results highlight the importance of psychological support during testosterone treatment in this population to prevent adverse behaviors.

[emphasis added]

In other words, the condition that made them feel a need to transition amplifies the reaction to hormone therapy. Oh, great! Well, maybe they could do sports? Oh, no, unlike men passing as women in women’s sports, there is no room for women passing as men in men’s sports. Well, maybe they could do hard physical jobs? There are women already in some of those, so I am assuming there is no barrier other than their true physical abilities. After transition, will they be able to do more? I don’t know. Also, does “no means no” training transition with the gender?

I think “gender confusion” has ceased to be a personal problem and has become a societal one. How do we deal with toxic masculinity in transgenders?

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  1. Columbo Inactive
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  2. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Rodin: [P]articipants whose menstrual bleeding continued despite hormone treatment were more likely to feel and express anger in an uncontrolled way

    Golly.  PMS emotional issues, compounded by aggression and anger from high dose testosterone.

    What could possibly go wrong?

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  3. MarciN Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Rodin: [P]articipants whose menstrual bleeding continued despite hormone treatment were more likely to feel and express anger in an uncontrolled way

    Golly. PMS emotional issues, compounded by aggression and anger from high dose testosterone.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Exactly how I reacted. :) :) :) 

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  4. MarciN Member
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    I have had three children, and the emotional ups and downs caused by the accompanying hormone fluctuations in pregnancy, childbirth, nursing, and weening can be pretty dramatic. My OB/GYN doctor likened the experience to riding a fast-moving elevator up and down all day. :) :)

    I have some expertise in how hormones work. :) :)

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  5. MarciN Member
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    What’s bugging me is that the shooter looked like a fairly normal kid when this picture was taken, presumably when she was in high school:

    [I took down the photograph because I took it off the Fox News website, and I don’t have permission to reproduce it. But readers can see it at the link above.]

    She is looking right at the photographer in an engaged and engaging way.

    Severe mental illness is seen most quickly in people who avoid other people very noticeably.

    So I’m now wondering about whatever psychiatric and “transgender” care she had, about the chemicals her doctors might have put into her.

    Psychiatrists used to divide their work into personality disorders and psychoses. I’m wondering if she actually had only a personality disorder of some kind. Did the medicines cause this problem?

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  6. Mark Alexander, Semi-Esq Inactive
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  7. Addiction Is A Choice Member
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    I want to see the manifesto, OOPS, person-ifesto.

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  8. Vance Richards Inactive
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    Anyone who ever had teenagers, or a wife going through the change, or both at the same time (Lord help me) knows that hormones can change attitude and behavior. This is not a harmless treatment.

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Testosterone treatment can be especially dangerous, since the fact is that these folks have mental issues to begin with. Nothing good will come of it.

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  10. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    Reminds me of those pushing lobotomies in the 1940s

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  11. Old Bathos Member
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    If sexual identity is solely a cognitive thing, why would anyone need hormones? That is kinda like an admission of some biological basis, isn’t it. Too bad people cannot seem to choose not to be batsh*t crazy. 

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  12. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    Reminds me of those pushing lobotomies in the 1940s

    I wrote a blog about that last year:  https://ricochet.com/1220919/medicines-sad-follies-a-best-practice-and-potentially-life-saving/

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  13. Flicker Coolidge
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    If masculinity is toxic, why is anyone allowed to become masculine?

    If the patriarchy is evil, why is anyone allowed to join it?

    If being a man is that bad, why is anyone being encouraged to become one?

    If men are that bad, why is anyone celebrating trans-men?

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  14. psmith Inactive
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Anyone who ever had teenagers, or a wife going through the change, or both at the same time (Lord help me) knows that hormones can change attitude and behavior. This is not a harmless treatment.

    Pretty much guaranteed by the trend of waiting until one is over 30 to have a baby.

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  15. Western Chauvinist Member
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    As Klavan says about feminism making perfectly fine women into crappy men. . . we can say transgenderism is making perfectly fine women into murderous pseud0-men. 

    Lord help us. 

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  16. Unsk Member
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    Flicker nailed it. 

    How can we allow virtuous  wonderful womyn to be turned into murderous hateful evil toxic men? That goes against all that is “good” about Wokeness!

    There ought to be law!

    For a moment there I was afraid that this killing spree by guns couldn’t be blamed on toxic masculinity. I feeel so much better now knowing it can.

    BTW, like many others I was horribly offended by the attempt of the Media to cisgender the perpetrator of this “incident “

     

    Snark Off

    I am not trying to make light of these horrible deaths, only the ridiculous attitude of those trying to excuse them away.

    In reference to why this normal looking young teenage girl would go on to be a stone cold killer, I think much of what the Left is doing today is to “wind people up” to use the British phrase with almost a constant encouragement  of victimhood due some sort of societal Discrimination somewhere in your life, where once a person latches on mentally to the idea that they were terribly wronged, the almost all consuming Media / Big Tech brainwashing Woke onslaught is designed to incite and provoke those feelings where they will grow and grow until they become horribly destructive as what happened to this girl.

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  17. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    What’s bugging me is that the shooter looked like a fairly normal kid when this picture was taken, presumably when she was in high school:

    [Photo deleted by member request]

    She is looking right at the photographer in an engaged and engaging way.

    Severe mental illness is seen most quickly in people who avoid other people very noticeably.

    So I’m now wondering about whatever psychiatric and “transgender” care she had, about the chemicals her doctors might have put into her.

    Psychiatrists used to divide their work into personality disorders and psychoses. I’m wondering if she actually had only a personality disorder of some kind. Did the medicines cause this problem?

    Perhaps the Ricochet Docs might object, I think that the “health care professionals” who treated the shooter should be investigated.

    Recently Vanderbilt Medical school hosted seminars on how physicians could profit practicing transition medicine.  Public outcry may have driven such seminars underground.

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    Unsk (View Comment):

    Flicker nailed it.

    How can we allow virtuous wonderful womyn to be turned into murderous hateful evil toxic men? That goes against all that is “good” about Wokeness!

    There ought to be law!

    For a moment there I was afraid that this killing spree by guns couldn’t be blamed on toxic masculinity. I feeel so much better now knowing it can.

    BTW, like many others I was horribly offended by the attempt of the Media to cisgender the perpetrator of this “incident “

     

    Snark Off

    I am not trying to make light of these horrible deaths, only the ridiculous attitude of those trying to excuse them away.

    In reference to why this normal looking young teenage girl would go on to be a stone cold killer, I think much of what the Left is doing today is to “wind people up” to use the British phrase with almost a constant encouragement of victimhood due some sort of societal Discrimination somewhere in your life, where once a person latches on mentally to the idea that they were terribly wronged, the almost all consuming Media / Big Tech brainwashing Woke onslaught is designed to incite and provoke those feelings where they will grow and grow until they become horribly destructive as what happened to this girl.

    I wonder what her high school teachers were telling her about her family and the upbringing she recieved. 

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  19. Columbo Inactive
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    Reminds me of those pushing lobotomies in the 1940s

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  20. MarciN Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    What’s bugging me is that the shooter looked like a fairly normal kid when this picture was taken, presumably when she was in high school:

     

     

     

    She is looking right at the photographer in an engaged and engaging way.

    Severe mental illness is seen most quickly in people who avoid other people very noticeably.

    So I’m now wondering about whatever psychiatric and “transgender” care she had, about the chemicals her doctors might have put into her.

    Psychiatrists used to divide their work into personality disorders and psychoses. I’m wondering if she actually had only a personality disorder of some kind. Did the medicines cause this problem?

     

    Perhaps the Ricochet Docs might object, I think that the “health care professionals” who treated the shooter should be investigated.

    Recently Vanderbilt Medical school hosted seminars on how physicians could profit practicing transition medicine. Public outcry may have driven such seminars underground.

    Hi, Dave, I’ve removed the photograph from my comment above. Can you remove it from yours as well? I picked it up from Fox News without permission.

    Thanks so much, 

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  21. Unsk Member
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    Columbo/Glenn

    I almost barfed my cookies when I saw that picture.

    Dave, There has become a cult of victimhood that seeks to  reinforce, use and inflame all the neurotic and psychotic tendencies that comes from whatever psychological trauma a person perceives they endured.

    To begin with even before the victimhood cult, those who have endured psychological trauma often tend to wallow in it , repeating it over and over again their perceived trauma  in their minds reinforcing the depression/ neurosis/ psychosis making them more disturbed rather than less.

    A person with those problems has to really want to get better, or they just won’t  no matter how skilled a therapist they may seeing is if they even seeing a therapist.

    Also there is a tendency among those who been abused and hurt emotionally as a child to go on to hurt others as an adult, so it is not really appropriate to blame the therapist for the pain and  suffering caused by the patient and the inability to get better because it takes a lot of discipline and hard work for those with emotional Illnesses to actually get better..

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