20 Years Ago on March 19…

 

Smoke covers the presidential palace compound during a massive US-led air raid in Baghdad, March 2003…US President George W. Bush ordered air strikes on Baghdad, launching the war for “regime change” and the ousting of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

The war was premised on the belief that Hussein was manufacturing and staging weapons of mass destruction to be used against his enemies. Such a belief is now deemed to have been false, although the length of time between Colin Powell’s February 5 address to the United Nations, in which he laid out the case, and the subsequent Allied invasion – exactly six weeks later – left plenty of time for such efforts to be covered up, dismantled, or moved.

And so, with apparent evidence on both sides to support their respective cases, the conspiracy theorists, and the conspiracy realists, continue to joust over the truth, which is likely never to be fully known.

Regardless, or irregardless as the case may be, I remember the television coverage of those aerial attacks on that day exactly two decades ago. It was awe-inspiring, and thrilling.  The subsequent initial phase of the land war – which lasted just over a month and was spearheaded by the United States with support from the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland, and the following “quagmire” years resulted in the deaths and wounding, both physically and mentally, of tens of thousands of Allied troops, and in consequences that we, and they, still live with today.

As cowards do, Saddam Hussein ran away and hid from reprisals, remaining undiscovered until December 2003, when American soldiers found him, filthy and deranged, hiding in a hole in the ground near ad-Dawr. He was subsequently interrogated, tried, and executed (by the interim Iraqi government) on December 30, 2006. Sic semper tyrannis.

Today, I remember not the meretricious crapweasels of the various governments on all sides who have been – ever since – revising the rather clear history of the war, those who started it, and even, sometimes, those who fought in it. I choose rather to remember the valiant soldiers from all services and all nations who fought, and those who were wounded and who died in the cause of freedom and to keep us safe.

From February 7, 2001–just a month into the first Persian Gulf War:

And from the UK:

Australia:

And Poland:

Thank you.

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  1. Red Herring Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):
    WMD in Iraq was not a lie. Maybe there was some lie from someone in the CIA along the lines of “We know for sure he’s made some new ones.” I don’t know.

    Colin Powell told the U.N. that Saddam had a nuclear program (a lie). There were stories of bio-weapon labs (false). Everybody knew about the chemical weapons used in the 80’s. The only surprise was how little was remaining in 2003.

    The common denominator is that our government took advantage of a frightened population to push a lie to justify a multi-trillion dollar expenditure.

    It wasn’t a lie if the intel folks thought it was true. 

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  2. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    I have a hard time dispensing with the notion that the deciding factor to go in to Iraq was not so much the wmd question as the personal fact that Saddam had tried to assassinate GHW Bush. I don’t think W was able to put that out of his mind enough to make a non personal decision. I have the feeling that the obvious guilt that W feels for the condition of the Iraq wounded stems from his consciousness that the decision had a personal element.

    I doubt that. Besides terrorists want to take out every president. Not that newsworthy. This is why AF1 has , uh, countermeasures. 

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  3. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Only two national anthems in the world reference another country.  And of those they reference each other.  Poland’s talks about Italy.

    Italys talks about Poland.  Weird huh.

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  4. Al Sparks Coolidge
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    I was for invading Iraq. I also thought that since we had a history, post World War II, of successfully occupying both Germany and Japan, we could successfully do so in Iraq.

    Well, we won the war, but lost the occupation. And one big reason we lost the occupation is that George W. Bush was not honest, either with himself or the country, that it would take a couple of decades of occupation to turn Iraq into a western style democracy. Nor is it clear that if he had been honest about the time and resources required that the whole country would have accepted making that kind of commitment.

    And using WMD as a justification was a mistake, and I thought so at the time. We didn’t need that justification, Saddam Hussein’s overall conduct was enough.

    There were other reasons we lost the occupation. Maybe there’s a historian that can tell me I’m wrong, but the U.S. occupation of Iraq was the first time we put the State Department in charge. From the post-Civil War on, all our other occupations were run by the U.S. Army. The State Department simply doesn’t have the culture to run an occupation.

    And I have a background where I raised on a U.S. military base in Germany. My dad was a civilian working for the Army, and wasn’t subject to transfers. So he was there for about 15 years, and when I was born there I was sent to the U.S. military schools set up for military dependents, and I was also going to Catholic Mass presided over by a priest who was also a military chaplain. It was an American enclave where the U.S. Postal service had American mailboxes set up there.

    And though the number of U.S. military installations has been considerably reduced in Germany and Japan, that system is still in place

    I’m not sure our occupying forces in the Middle East would have been allowed to get that comfortable. It would have meant that people sent over there would have shorter tours because serving there would not have been as desirable. And by the time we did get out of Iraq, casualties were way down, and the forces there were essentially doing garrison duty. That’s pretty boring duty if you can’t get out of the military bases.

    I guess what I’m getting at is we definitely should have invaded, broke a few things while we were there, and then left. Because we no longer have the patience, or the confidence in ourselves morally, to have imposed our will on that population for decades. And that’s why George W. Bush’s attempt at Wilsonian Democracy failed, and why he decided to fool himself that 4-6 years of occupation duty was enough.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    I met a man last December who claimed to have been a marine in the Iraq war and that he and his outfit spent a lot of time disposing of WMD. He had pictures that he showed us, which looked real enough. Of course, this is not incontrovertible evidence of the existence of WMD in Iraq, but given the other lies that we have been exposed over the past few years, it seems more believable all the time that Saddam had them. I suspect that the length of the build-up to invasion gave Saddam plenty of time to haul most of them off to Syria and hide the rest.

    Reports started coming out of Iraq after a year or two that WMD was being found. It was a lot of older stuff and not huge quantities, if I remember right. By that time, I think the press wasn’t interested in helping Bush so it wasn’t highlighted. If mentioned, it was sold as not from a new, big program that the administration had claimed was happening.

    They would have been far more likely to move out or hide newer, more effective items and the equipment for producing them.

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    She: The war was premised on the the belief that Hussein was manufacturing and staging weapons of mass destruction to be used against his enemies.

    Which is the “lie of the century”: WMD in Iraq or safe and effective?

    WMD in Iraq was not a lie. Maybe there was some lie from someone in the CIA along the lines of “We know for sure he’s made some new ones.” I don’t know.

    Google search terms:

    –for 2004: “sarin, mustard gas discovered separately in iraq”
    –for 2013: nyt 5000 wmd 2013

    There used to be one from 2005 or 2006, a declassified Congressional memo as I recall (with Rick Santorum’s name on it) about 500 WMD. Google won’t find it anymore, to my complete non-shock. Try this on DuckDuckGo:

    –for 2006: 500 wmd 2006 santorum memo

    Somehow, our “finders of fact” had it in their noggins that WMDs would be stored in vast stockpiles instead of 50 here, 75 there.

    I’m concerned about electronic election fraud being real–that argument about statistically impossible repetitions of Trump/Biden ratios in repeated vote updates, for example.

    What really freaks me out is the thought that if it weren’t real, surely by now someone would have explained and refuted it.

    What makes me doubt that line of reasoning is the awful/awesome/awe-inspiring stupidity of the people who would have the job of explaining and refuting. Maybe they’re just too dumb, and the electronic votes are fine.

    Either way, we’re doomed, of course.

    It doesn’t even take statistical analysis to notice… what was it, at least 4000 ballots in just one place with the identical time-stamp?

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    Iraq had chemical weapons that they used against Iran in the 80’s.

    I believe he also used them against his own people when they tried to overthrow him after the first Gulf War ended.

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    We had a ceasefire agreement, Saddam didn’t live up to the agreement, so we resumed fires.

    One of the terms of that ceasefire was that he was supposed to destroy his stockpiles of chemical weapons, but he kept giving the inspectors the run-around until he eventually kicked them out of the country. There was no way to verify that he’d kept up his end of the bargain.

    If he’d had chemical weapons, and refused to prove he’d destroyed them, it seemed entirely reasonable to assume he still had them.

    5,000 of them according to the New York Times, a former newspaper.

    Now a building that gets climbed by foreign acrobats, or something like that.

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  8. Zafar Member
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    If Saddam had viable WMDs you’d think he’d have used them when the country was invaded.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    If Saddam had viable WMDs you’d think he’d have used them when the country was invaded.

    Unless you think it’s likely that he sold them off or otherwise shipped them out of the country for money and/or to have access to them later.

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  10. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Zafar (View Comment):

    If Saddam had viable WMDs you’d think he’d have used them when the country was invaded.

    Judging on how they were secreted away, I doubt if his military could have found them before it was too late. 

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  11. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    She: The war was premised on the the belief that Hussein was manufacturing and staging weapons of mass destruction to be used against his enemies.

    Which is the “lie of the century”: WMD in Iraq or safe and effective?

    You must mean the mistake of the century. Lie implies correct knowledge and intent to misrepresent that truth.

    No, I mean lie. I mean they said things that were known to be untrue. I actually think the Climate Hoax might be the biggest lie, but the impact is mostly ahead of us.

    I nominate “if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”

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  12. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    We actually fight as we teach, I thought.

    The D. E. I. training will have have its impact. 

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  13. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Brian Wyneken (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    She: The war was premised on the the belief that Hussein was manufacturing and staging weapons of mass destruction to be used against his enemies.

    Which is the “lie of the century”: WMD in Iraq or safe and effective?

    I don’t think we know enough to confidently attach that label to either candidate.

    As the OP states: . . . . “left plenty of time for such efforts to be covered up, dismantled, or moved.” and . . . “And so, with apparent evidence on both sides to support their respective cases, the conspiracy theorists, and the conspiracy realists, continue to joust over the truth, which is likely never to be fully-known.”

    I was there (based in Oman) and was getting the briefings during the build-up to “shock and awe.” That was my experience, but that alone doesn’t add one ounce of credibility to anything that I might think about whether or not the WMD was a “lie”, a truth, a mistake, or whatever. I tend to believe what I was being briefed and have had insufficient reason over the years to seriously question it. But we had a few rather vocal sceptics at the time (in our squadron). The one thing I would say is that these few were consistently very averse to President Bush (or any republican administration).

    WMD evidence came from the Gernan source Curveball.  Someone not a single member of the CIA interviewed before the invasion.

    The pictures of the mobile labs that Colin Powell presented to the UN, were based on drawings that the CIA manufactured based on reports from that single source.  

    Agents that presented counter evidence were fired by the Bush White house.  

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  14. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    She: The war was premised on the the belief that Hussein was manufacturing and staging weapons of mass destruction to be used against his enemies.

    Which is the “lie of the century”: WMD in Iraq or safe and effective?

    You must mean the mistake of the century. Lie implies correct knowledge and intent to misrepresent that truth.

    They wanted to go to war.  Things like truth and facts were secondary to that.

    I had a barber who was from Iraq.  In 2017 he said to me.  “They killed Saddam 13 years ago.  Yet still I cant get electricity in my home town.”

    Priorities I suppose.

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  15. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):
    I suspect that the length of the build-up to invasion gave Saddam plenty of time to haul most of them off to Syria and hide the rest.

    Iraq had chemical weapons that they used against Iran in the 80’s. But the nuclear program (yellow cake from Niger) and aluminum tubes was always a lie. We have watched Iran spend the last 20 years trying to refine uranium without luck. They claimed that yellow cake and tubes was an imminent threat.

    Oh I think they have plenty of luck and likely sitting on a few nukes by now.  They like Isreal choose not to detonate them.  

    Meanwhile…Iran and Saudi Arabia continue to bury the hatchet as Saudi moves further into the Russia/Chinese orbit.

     

    https://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2023/03/20/iranian-president-receives-invitation-from-saudi-king-to-visit-riyadh-official/

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  16. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Nathanael Ferguson (View Comment):

    This is such a difficult topic because it is clouded by nuance and the clarifying lens of history. In many ways I regard the invasion of Iraq as a mistake, but that is only because I know how it turned out. If I ask myself what was the correct call at the time, knowing what we knew or thought we knew at the time, the answer is murky and difficult. On the one hand it seemed like a “slam dunk” that preemptive action was necessary. In retrospect the folks saying it was a slam dunk were generally the same people who later made wild and unsubstantiated claims about Russiagate and the Hunter Biden laptop. If we take what we know today about the “intelligence community” and use that as the basis for deciding whether the Iraq invasion was justified, we easily conclude that we were lied into the thing by untrustworthy hacks with an agenda. But if we remember what things felt like at the time, in the months and early years after 9/11, it’s hard to say that invading Iraq was the wrong call. The decision was made based on the information available at the time provided by sources that were considered rock solid at the time.

    Knowing what we know about the intelligence community today, I would expect a Republican president to take their council with a much more skeptical view. I would expect a Republican president to demand a much higher evidentiary threshold for action. But the world of 2003 is quite different from the world of 2023. For one thing, the intelligence community back then was revered and almost implicitly trusted by the center-right. Today, the intelligence community is known to be mostly self-interested, agenda-driven, and almost exclusively left-leaning. We on the right don’t trust them in the same way that the left didn’t trust them in 2003.

    I was against the war at the time.  My conscience is clear.  

    It was a dumb idea, made by dumb people for dumb reasons.  And hundreds of thousands of people died.

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  17. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    She: although the length of time between Colin Powell’s February 5 address to the United Nations, in which he laid out the case, and the subsequent Allied invasion – exactly six weeks later – left plenty of time for such efforts to be covered up, dismantled, or moved

    It’s entirely possible that he had already sold most of his stockpile to Syria before this point, but had concealed this from the international inspectors for 2 reasons:

    1. Selling them would have violated the terms of the ceasefire he had agreed to
    2. He wanted his enemies within Iraq to fear he still had them to use against any more uprisings against him.

    To the point of 2.

    In the book Cobra 2, they interviewed a few  of Saddams former Generals.  Apparently a month before the invasion he sat down a bunch of them, and told them. That the weapons were a bluff, he had them all destroyed.  And that they needed to convince the US they didnt exist to forestall the invasion.  The generals all nodded and agreed.  None of the generals interviewed believed Saddam since he was such a liar.

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  18. ToryWarWriter Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Nathanael Ferguson (View Comment):
    Knowing what we know about the intelligence community today, I would expect a Republican president to take their council with a much more skeptical view. I would expect a Republican president to demand a much higher evidentiary threshold for action. But the world of 2003 is quite different from the world of 2023. For one thing, the intelligence community back then was revered and almost implicitly trusted by the center-right. Today, the intelligence community is known to be mostly self-interested, agenda-driven, and almost exclusively left-leaning. We on the right don’t trust them in the same way that the left didn’t trust them in 2003.

    It wasn’t as complicated as that. Saddam had deployed chemical weapons against both the Iranians and the Kurds. He therefore had the capability to produce them. Intelligence services excel at determining capabilities. Determining intent is the hard part. Saddam insisted on playing cute with the inspectors trying to determine if he still had weapons.

    And they don’t have to be deployed in a massive fashion to be massively destructive. Five members of a knucklehead cult killed 13 outright and injured hundreds more in a Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway in 1995. If they had known what they were doing, they could have exceeded that by an order of magnitude, maybe two. So Saddam could, and he already had before. What are you going to do, knowing that?

    Frankly even if they didnt have WMDs, the Bush Administration would have found a different excuse to Invade Iraq.  Does anyone dispute that?  Was there anyway for this not to happen?  Or as soon as the Towers fell the invasion became inevitable?

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  19. She Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    There are a lot of pieces in the comments that make up the truth.

    Yes, there are some terrific comments here.  Thanks, all.

    Something that’s been nibbled around the edges in a couple of comments but not put quite as directly as I’m about to was, I think, one of the most catastrophic failures of the war and of intelligence in all its manifestations, all round.

    Somehow, in a stunning display of naivete, those pulling the strings in the United States seem to have convinced themselves and their allies–apparently without trying very hard–that, to bowdlerize the words of the Pogue Colonel in Full Metal Jacket, “Inside every [third worlder] there is an American trying to get out.”

    The “shock and awe” tactics on display in March of 2003 were intended to remove, quickly and once-and-for-all, Saddam Hussein and the Baathists in Iraq,  with the idea that they would be replaced at all levels of governance and the population, and without much effort on our part, with an immediate and spontaneous outbreak of flowering democracy and agreeable Western values, country-wide.

    If such a strategy is ever to succeed at all, it must be predicated–before anything else–on an absolutely bulletproof (literally) understanding of a nation’s people, its environment, and its culture.  In the case of the 2003 Iraq war, this simply wasn’t the case.  And the fallout, after the initial and brilliant deployment of technology and personnel, show that clearly in the price that the West, and the Middle East paid and continues to pay.

    I’m not sure how, following the events–including many catastrophic mistakes–of the last half of the twentieth-century, the leading Western nations can have been so dumb, or so hubristic.  Perhaps the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the rapid adoption of relatively democratic governance by many of the formerly Eastern Bloc nations blinded them to the fact that those folks were, in many cases, Europeans with an existing Judeo-Christian heritage at the time of their liberation.  But that’s not the case with all countries, especially those of the Middle East and in Africa.

    When I have one of my conversations from ‘the other side’ with my late father (it does happen), I hear him ranting about the “pointy-headed” State Department “bureaucrat” types with a degree from Harvard or Oxford hanging on the wall, who think they’ve swallowed the book and know it all because they’ve been sitting at a desk in the American Embassy, in-country, for six months.  He’d not have had such people anywhere near the councils of war, let alone giving them the slightest input into what should be done. And neither should we have.

     

     

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  20. Bishop Wash Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    We actually fight as we teach, I thought.

    The D. E. I. training will have have its impact.

    Aye. Obama and Biden have crafted a much different military. Mattis was my biggest disappointment for the Trump administration. Didn’t roll back much, if any, of Obama’s nonsense. At least Trump issued an order for CRT to stop being trained. 

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  21. GrannyDude Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    There are a lot of pieces in the comments that make up the truth.

    -To defend Clinton’s missile attacks, the NYT posted a detailed listing of the WMD that Saddam hadn’t turned over.

    -To attack Bush, the NYT promoted the lie that there were no WMDs.

    -Later, to attack Bush and the military, the NYT ran an article about the military not caring for soldiers injured by WMD while destroying munitions. Seems one reason the WMD weren’t found initially was they were in unmarked munitions mixed in with conventional munitions in scattered bunkers throughout the country. Saddam’s military couldn’t have found them if the wanted to.

    -To scare us into not attacking, Saddam wanted us to believe he had them and was successful in that regard.

    I’d add: I believe that GWB himself genuinely believed that Saddam had WMDs and was surprised when so few were found. 

    I think Saddam was happy to let the world believe he had all kinds of nasty stuff: The political economy of the region encouraged mendacious boasting and saber rattling.  The thug Saddam could have exaggerated the size and lethality of his military not just to deter a US invasion (though it was hard to miss that Iran, which did have nukes, was immune)  but also because it enhanced his credibility with the other thugs in the neighborhood and for all I know soothed his ego and impressed his mistress.

    I agree that the WMD piece was over-hyped. Saddam had failed to live up to the terms of the ceasefire; a casus belli was already in place. Having said that, the idea that we could invade both Iraq and Afghanistan, and that these would, in the aftermath of a war,  speedily become Western-style democracies was, if I may say so, idiotic. It’s not that the Iraqi and Afghan people wouldn’t have been better off if we could’ve pulled it off: They would. And yes, indeed, the world would be a better place if Iraq was as tranquil and cooperative as, say, Missouri, and if the Afghans whose lives and identities had been centered on conflict for centuries would be content to live, instead, in a sort of rockbound, impoverished Vermont, with fierce and ancient tribalisms reduced to bumper stickers, voting and the occasional #BLM riot.

    The comparison of Iraq to postwar Germany and Japan should’ve made the futility  clear.  American troops were (and are) still on the ground in both those countries; there was no indication that Americans, however riled by 9/11, were up for a self-sacrificing project that would continue for fifty or sixty years. 

     

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  22. Quintus Sertorius Coolidge
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    @BillGollier

    Very interesting topic to discuss; thanks so much for posting!!!

    I was against the invasion in 2003 as I thought our efforts should be on Afghanistan and I thought  the administration never really set out what the goals were in invading Iraq. We don’t do well without clear goals fully backed by the political will. I mean it took every fiber of Lincoln’s body to keep the Union fighting in the Ciivl War and if Sherman doesn’t take Atlanta Lincoln probably losses the election of 1864 and history is much different. George W Bush was no Abe Lincoln as far as political skill. 

    That said….when teaching this topic I have always presented it as we do not truly know what briefings were brought to George Bush. He had to make the decision based on what evidence was brought to him. Was he predisposed to war? Maybe he was…I don’t know. Saddam H had been violating the stipulations of the cease fire from Gulf War 1 for years (so much so that Clinton almost invaded Iraq in 1998) and that had increased after 9-11. So there were other reasons on the table besides WMD. I would tell my students…..if you are George Bush and you have Saddam breaking the stipulations of the treaty and then there are reports of WMD what do you do? He has to make that decision….did he listen to the correct advisors? Maybe not…but he had to make a decision and I would tell my students it was not an easy one. It is much more complex and nuanced….it is easy for some teacher in Lawrence, Kansas to have an opinion at the time or now for that matter…my decisions don’t impact anybody. Colin Powell turned out to be right (as an aside…imagine if Colin Powell had run as a Republican in 1996 our history would be so much different) but at the time George Bush had to pick between him and the more aggressive evidence….we have no idea what the discussions really were. Turns out he made the wrong decision or did a terrible job of seeing that decision through; but the decision was not an easy one to make. 

    As a counterfactual consider that Harry Truman listens to 3 of his advisers and decided to invade Japan instead of dropping the bomb….how would that be looked upon today? Like Bush in 2003 Truman had to make a decision based on the evidence he was given…not easy to do. 

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  23. Bishop Wash Member
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    I guess what I’m getting at is we definitely should have invaded, broke a few things while we were there, and then left. Because we no longer have the patience, or the confidence in ourselves morally, to have imposed our will on that population for decades. And that’s why George W. Bush’s attempt at Wilsonian Democracy failed, and why he decided to fool himself that 4-6 years of occupation duty was enough.

    Bush ran on a platform of ending Clinton’s style of using the military, as Rush dubbed it, Meals on Wheels. The attacks on 9/11 happened and a response had to be given. It didn’t need to be a full switch from his election promises to Wilsonian Democracy. 

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  24. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):
    He wanted his enemies within Iraq to fear he still had them to use against any more uprisings against him.

    Definitely a tough situation for Saddam.   60% of Iraq’s population is sympathetic with Iran, who he recently fought an existential war with.   Saddam has no real military and his only deterrent is the threat of chemical weapons, which the US required him to destroy.    The choice was war against the US or Iran.    In the past, the US would guarantee national security for a country we’ve destroyed.  But who wants to commit to that hornets nest.

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  25. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    So, cowards run away?  Didn’t MacArthur run away?

    For that matter, King David ran away, more than once, didn’t he?  Was he a coward?

    I like the post, Susan.  I don’t like the gratuitous swipe at Saddam Hussein.  Maybe he was a coward, maybe not.

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  26. namlliT noD Member
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    @DonTillman

    She: The war was premised on the belief that Hussein was manufacturing and staging weapons of mass destruction to be used against his enemies.

    Actually, the war was premised on:

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  27. Instugator Thatcher
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):
    Which is the “lie of the century”:   WMD in Iraq or safe and effective? 

    “If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.” — Barack Obama

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  28. Instugator Thatcher
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    Al Sparks (View Comment):
    There were other reasons we lost the occupation. Maybe there’s a historian that can tell me I’m wrong, but the U.S. occupation of Iraq was the first time we put the State Department in charge. From the post-Civil War on, all our other occupations were run by the U.S. Army. The State Department simply doesn’t have the culture to run an occupation.

    Absolutely true.

    Most Army Civil Affairs units are in the reserves.

    Paul Bremer and the idiots from the Kennedy School of Government have a lot to answer for.

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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    So, cowards run away? Didn’t MacArthur run away?

    For that matter, King David ran away, more than once, didn’t he? Was he a coward?

    I like the post, Susan. I don’t like the gratuitous swipe at Saddam Hussein. Maybe he was a coward, maybe not.

    Jerry, I think–as I often do–that you’re barking up the wrong tree on this one; in this case with what seems to be a misapprehension as to the name of the post author. 

    That you spoke up for Saddam Hussein has been noted.  I stand by my remarks regarding his character.

    Thank you for commenting.

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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    She: The war was premised on the belief that Hussein was manufacturing and staging weapons of mass destruction to be used against his enemies.

    Actually, the war was premised on:

    All true and in the bill that passed Congress almost six months prior to the invasion.  Nevertheless, I think the straw that broke the camel’s back, and from which a direct line could be drawn between it and the invasion, and much as he might regret it today, was Colin Powell’s February speech before the UN.

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