California Converting Empty Office Buildings into Housing?

 

As some of you know, I am a California political refugee now living in East Tennessee. But I continue to click on a local news website I used to follow to be apprised of what was going on in my area of California. Checking in the other day, I came across a plan to convert empty office buildings into housing. Empty buildings are plentiful, housing not so much.

Assembly Bill 1532 would categorize office conversion projects as “by right” developments, relaxing the permitting and review process for housing projects by preventing a city or county from requiring certain permits to convert a vacant office into housing.

The bill is partially spurred by the hundreds of empty offices in downtown San Francisco, which has seen one of the slowest pandemic recoveries in the country among major metro areas.

According to the commercial real estate firm CBRE, some 27 percent of San Francisco’s offices were vacant at the end of 2022.

My immediate reaction is that this is a good idea. Entry-level housing has been highly problematic for decades in California. Unchecked migration hasn’t helped that any.

But I wonder if this isn’t too late? One phenomenon that Californians are all too familiar with is how a fire can become so big it creates its own weather conditions to stoke the fire and push it forward. Decades of responding to increasing housing prices through raises in wages without increasing inventory has raised prices for everything not manufactured in China. Each wage rise fueled price rises, each price rise fuels wage rises. With Covid reducing building material inventory for over a year, construction material prices went up substantially — if you could get it.

There may now be a structural problem in actually building affordable housing when you factor in material and labor costs in California. All those existing empty office buildings may be there, but converting them to housing actually incurs the most expensive part of home building — bathrooms, kitchens, and plumbing for the same. And for any of you who have done home remodeling you know that it rarely pays off if you use substandard material, and can be a nightmare, as well.

The real answer — at this point — is manufactured housing from a low-cost source, but that is not what Californians want. And truth be told, it is not what should be placed in some of the loveliest real estate around. The Mojave Desert? OK, but that’s not where the jobs are and the commute into LA or San Diego is a killer. The Central Valley? OK, but cutting back on arable land is a terrible idea, and don’t let them into the Sierra foothills. Again, the commute into San Fran or Sacramento is a killer.

But you don’t need to commute, you say. Let them work from home. That’s great, except that if you can work from home, you don’t need to live in California. You are not the one creating the housing demand. It is the people who can’t work from home who need housing in California.

That’s why I am not sure if it isn’t already too late. Too late, at least, for California to simply rebalance and get back to its 1950-2000 iconic status for freedom and opportunity. California is evolving and I am not sure into what it is evolving. In the near term, the control of the California Communist Party is absolute and getting stronger. Its policies will fail and things will move in a different direction with an unknown destination.

Of course, parts of California could turn into this:

I hear those people vote for a socialist government, as well.

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  1. Rodin Member
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    ctlaw (View Comment):

    jmelvin (View Comment):

    Interesting. As mentioned, this does introduce some wrinkles in the heating and cooling aspects of the current space envelope. However, it would seem to me that one way of dealing with energy demand in these spaces, at least related to heating and cooling would be to use a common boiler and chiller set up that could provide for all of the new living spaces. This might work best in a rental / lease arrangement, but the boiler could readily provide for hot water demands and whatever need there is for heating and the chiller could provide for cooling demands. You would still need some sort of air handler in each unit to accommodate the individual needs of that user, but it could reduce the electrical needs related to having to add individual heating or cooling equipment otherwise. Just thinking out loud here on how to make this energy efficient and provide a way to meet the needs of the building owner and the apartment / space users.

    That’s the problem. They are often stuck with the general infrastructure they have. They can’t often add boilers, etc.

    Assume the office building has three heat pump/chiller units. In the summer they run two for cooling and one for heating. In the winter they switch. That summer configuration is not enough to provide residential hot water and heat for an unexpectedly cold night. So they alter the changeover schedule to stay in winter mode until May instead of April and exit summer mode in September instead of November. If the outdoor temp gets up to 70 in May, the AC will fail.

    With respect to San Francisco, at least, it is useful to keep Mark Twain’s observation in mind: “I was never so cold as one summer in San Francisco”. 

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  2. db25db Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

     

    Last time I was in New York I noticed that a few 60s Mad-Men-era Emery Roth-designed office towers were being converted to residential. This works better with much older buildings, because they have light courts. The 60s skyscrapers have vast spaces with no natural light, particular on the lower floors.

     

     

     

    The destruction of the American city core was accomplished with a single stroke. We’ll be living with the aftermath for decades.

     

     

     

    What’s interesting is that our housing crisis is happening at a time when America has ceased to grow (in population). California is now losing population. Aren’t we poised to see a price collapse over the next decade? Especially combined with escalating interest rates?

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  3. db25db Inactive
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    I’m a commercial property owner in the Seattle suburbs. Most class C and B real estate is leased. The challenges are coming from the obvious places, like downtown Seattle Class A property.  I do think our residential housing cost crisis is destined to ease significantly over the next 5 years.   Rapidly rising rates  combined with virtually no population growth (granted there is regional growth, so it depends on where you live) seems to me like a recipe for price collapse.

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  4. Full Size Tabby Member
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    jmelvin (View Comment):

    Interesting. As mentioned, this does introduce some wrinkles in the heating and cooling aspects of the current space envelope. However, it would seem to me that one way of dealing with energy demand in these spaces, at least related to heating and cooling would be to use a common boiler and chiller set up that could provide for all of the new living spaces. This might work best in a rental / lease arrangement, but the boiler could readily provide for hot water demands and whatever need there is for heating and the chiller could provide for cooling demands. You would still need some sort of air handler in each unit to accommodate the individual needs of that user, but it could reduce the electrical needs related to having to add individual heating or cooling equipment otherwise. Just thinking out loud here on how to make this energy efficient and provide a way to meet the needs of the building owner and the apartment / space users.

    Off topic, but an anecdote I think is funny. Just before I left Rochester, NY, a small 4 story office building a block from my office was being converted from single tenant (the local telephone company) to multi-tenant (but still office) use. A major complication arose: The building had no boiler or equivalent for generating heat for the HVAC system. The racks of computer servers in the basement the telephone company used in its business generated all the heat the building needed in winter. The converters figured out a solution to getting heat generation, but it wasn’t easy or cheap. 

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  5. TBA Coolidge
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    I couldn’t remember the architect, I think it was Le Corbu or one of that crowd, but he designed a building that had to be destroyed because it quickly became a criminal drug den. 

    Animal behavior varies strongly by population density, resources, and how possible it is to spend time with low stimuli. 

    You can warehouse the addicted and mentally ill, but then, you can also warehouse explosives. 

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