The Bulwark is disappointed in Jeb

 

J V Last has an article about Jeb Bush’s endorsement of DeSantis. It’s behind a paywall, but he tweeted out what I assume to be his salient points:

If Ron DeSantis’s governorship has been good for Florida, then why didn’t Jeb pass a “Don’t Say Gay” bill when he was governor? Why didn’t Jeb take over the New College of Florida to push a conservative agenda? Why didn’t Jeb offer a bill to outlaw the teaching of “theories” in undergraduate courses? Why didn’t Jeb spend taxpayer money to ship refugees to Martha’s Vineyard? Why didn’t Jeb move to take away Disney’s special zoning arrangement? Why didn’t Jeb appoint a vaccine skeptic as his state surgeon general? 

After all, if these are good policies for the people of Florida, Governor Bush had the opportunity to enact them himself. Why didn’t he?

Piquant points! Let’s take them one by one.

Why didn’t Jeb pass a “Don’t Say Gay” bill when he was governor?

This is somewhat confusing, since DeSantis didn’t pass a “Don’t Say Gay” bill either. The only relevant part of the bill that has to do with any of this:

Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age- appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.

This really, really bothers some people. 

Most of the bill concerns the rights of parents, which really, really bothers some people, too. 

Why didn’t Jeb take over the New College of Florida to push a conservative agenda?

Because he’s an old-style moderate Republican who has an antique notion of college as a place where the values of our civilization are handed down to the young. Oh, sure, they’re full of liberals, but you know, kids figure it out. We all go through that phase.

Also, there’s something a bit untoward about actually teaching history and politics from a conservative point of view. It’s a bit much. You want kids to get all sides. So the liberal faculty teaches both sides with cool impartiality, giving equal weight to all competing ideas, but conservative faculties ram through an agenda? Well the professors you get for a school like that are rather . . . ideological. It’s one thing to believe these things, but these guys, they really believe it. I mean, we’re talking Gadsden flag bumper stickers. 

Why didn’t Jeb offer a bill to outlaw the teaching of “theories” in undergraduate courses?

Here we see the true anti-intellectualism of DeSantis blaring to the fore: the man is opposed to theories. Why, the entirety of intellectual inquiry is based on theories, and the man wants to ban them with a stroke of a pen. Sensible Jeb would not ban theories, lest it cripple the ability of students to understand gravity.

DeFenders of DeSantis would make tiresome objections to this, noting that the “theories” were in fact doctrines of racial essentialism based in a creed that regards every institution in the country as fatally tainted by racism and incapable of reform, but they would, wouldn’t they? What they really want is a sugar-soaked curriculum full of noble Pilgrims, Founding Fathers, then some handwaving about the early 19th century, then the whole white-savior narrative about the Civil War, and then it’s on to pushing out the savage Redman so the Rotarians and other God-fearing men can bust the sod and conjure cities out of the dirt while Jesus floats over the nation, nodding in approval. Black history shall not be taught, except in a lesson about how the Harlem Globetrotters solved a mystery with the Scooby-Doo gang once.

It’s possible Jeb would have urged legislation to ban teaching of “theories” that advanced racial essentialism, if such a thing was happening in his tenure, but these theories were, at the time, in larval state in higher education. Which of course was an utterly neutral medium in which they found no particular nutriments. 

Why didn’t Jeb spend taxpayer money to ship refugees to Martha’s Vineyard? 

Because Jeb has friends there, and wouldn’t like to see them troubled by the logical conclusion of their political viewpoints? It’s possible. 

Why didn’t Jeb move to take away Disney’s special zoning arrangement?

I don’t know. I’m not a TrueCon who is conserving conservatism so the whole thing about fellating the satraps of corporate city-states doesn’t come naturally to me. 

Why didn’t Jeb appoint a vaccine skeptic as his state surgeon general? 

Maybe he’s an anti-immigrant racist who hates poor people?

Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD, is the State Surgeon General of Florida. He also serves as Professor of Medicine at the University of Florida, where his research examines behavioral economic strategies to reduce cardiovascular risk in low-income and disadvantaged populations. 

Born in Nigeria, Dr. Ladapo received his medical degree from Harvard and PhD in Health Policy from Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences. He completed his clinical training in internal medicine at the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, where he received the Harvard Medical School Class of 2012 Resident Teaching Award and the Daniel E. Ford Award in Health Services and Outcomes Research from John Hopkins University.

Also – and this seems so obvious I suspect I am missing Last’s point entirely – Jeb did not have to deal with a pandemic during his tenancy. 

In fact, he didn’t have to deal with a lot of things that now sluice through modern politics, but one suspects he wouldn’t have done much if these issues had presented themselves. He was a fundamentally decent man, and fundamentally decent men do not object to middle-school trans awareness pageants.  But having seen what DeSantis does, he is apparently impressed, and endorses DeSantis’ pro-active, bully-pulpit, happy-warrior approach.

The Bulwarkians, understandably dismayed, sigh, and draw a line through his name on the sheet of paper that contains the Names of the Good. 

But first they dip the quill in the inkwell, so the line may be strong from start to finish. 

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  1. KevinStamber Coolidge
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    Please clap.

    • #31
  2. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    • #32
  3. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Another great post by James. Damn, I love reading him.

    I like JVL a lot. I have corresponded with him. I listen to the Daily Bulwark Podcast (which is free), while I also listen to Ricochet, Dispatch and NR Podcasts. (I stopped listen to the Lincoln Project Podcasts two years ago when their scandal broke.) See https://ricochet.com/1314872/national-review-vs-the-dispatch-vs-the-bulwark-vs-the-lincoln-project/.

    The Bulwark is pretty resolutely NeverTrump, and for that they have been really savagely attacked here and elsewhere.

    I am caught in a quandary. Who I want is a repeat of Ronald Reagan who was tough when he had to be but is temperamentally optimistic. This is how I call the race at this point.

     

    I firmly believe that Trump is an Existential Danger to the Republic and Republican Party. See https://ricochet.com/1364794/the-17-findings-of-the-house-select-committee-on-the-january-6th-attack-on-the-capitol/.

    Given all of that, since defeating Trump is not just important, but is essential, I am more than willing to vote for Greg Abbott or Ron DeSantis. The perfect must never be the enemy of the good. James is right on this.

    However, after the flurry of attacks on The Bulwark and other NeverTrumpers, I fully appreciate JVL’s column. I just come to a different conclusion than him, and I am much more close to James’ point of view.

    How many “I”‘s are in your post? Damning.

    Doesn’t matter much anymore: Top GOP Donors to Meet with GOP Candidates for President But President Trump Is Not Invited | The Gateway Pundit

    This is a good thing. Trump lost because a significant percentage of Republicans voted for Biden. However after January 6, 2021, I predict that number has tripled.

    In Arizona, the top four statewide nominated Republicans had been endorsed by Trump in our primary. All of them lost in the 2022 general election. Other Republicans told me that they deliberately refused to vote for the Trump endorsed candidates, and instead voted for the Democrat candidates.

    We are bound and determined to take our party back.

    I don’t want to hijack the post, but I will say you are welcome to the party. It’s a matter of indifference to me since I’m no longer a part of it. Enjoy your status as a permanent minority. 

    • #33
  4. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Maybe Florida Gov. Bush didn’t do some of the listed things because he didn’t have time as he was busy fixing the electoral system.

    Mr. Last commits two category errors that are disturbingly common today: 1) imposing the present day onto people of the past, and 2) misrepresenting decisions and policies with which the writer disagrees. 

    As many of the comments on the Tweet noted, and as James notes here, the Gov. Bush governed in a different time than does Gov. Desantis, with different issues, different concerns, and different opportunities. Just as the world in which our ancestors lived (such as, but not limited to, the 18th and 19th century) was different from the world today’s “woke” tyrants live. It is ridiculous to apply 21st century expectations onto our 18th and 19th century ancestors. It is almost as ridiculous to apply 2023 policy priorities onto a 2000 governor. Concepts, yes. But detailed implementations, no. 

    Maybe Mr. Last is trying to be intentionally provocative, which I can infer from his nonsensical choice of policies to highlight, and from his gross misrepresentation of those policies. No decent commentator would be that dishonest. (I know almost nothing about Mr. Last, so about all I have is the Tweet before us here.)

    • #34
  5. Percival Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I try to speak for myself and not for others.

    Mission accomplished there, hoss.

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  6. Flicker Coolidge
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    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    James,

    You raise what might be the essential question of our times for ideological conservatives.

    So, I would very much like to read, and even engage in, a dialog on it on an Internet forum with others who have the same interest.

    I say that just to affirm you for raising the question here, on what is unquestionably an Internet forum, whatever else one might say about it.

    [TAGS: Social Satire, Light-Hearted and As Always, Perfectly Incomprehensible]

    There is an awe inspiring perfection in absolute incomprehensibility.  I get it.

    • #36
  7. Hoyacon Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    GDoesn’t matter much anymore: Top GOP Donors to Meet with GOP Candidates for President But President Trump Is Not Invited | The Gateway Pundit

    This is a good thing. Trump lost because a significant percentage of Republicans voted for Biden. However after January 6, 2021, I predict that number has tripled.

    In Arizona, the top four statewide nominated Republicans had been endorsed by Trump in our primary. All of them lost in the 2022 general election. Other Republicans told me that they deliberately refused to vote for the Trump endorsed candidates, and instead voted for the Democrat candidates.

    We are bound and determined to take our party back.

    Wait.  I thought you were just defending your use of the “I.”  At least it’s accurate.  You and other crazed supporters of Democrats don’t speak for the entire “we.”

    • #37
  8. Misthiocracy has never Member
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    How about “because when Jeb was governor the Left was still being a little more circumspect about its mission to pervert and/or destroy American society so he didn’t have to do those things; but now that the Left has way more power, is saying the quiet parts out loud, and is actually implementing their crazy ideas in practical and substantive ways the current governor has been compelled to take action”.

    You might as well say about someone who was a president prior to 1861, “if you like Lincoln so much why didn’t you go to war with the South when you were president?”

    • #38
  9. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Another great post by James. Damn, I love reading him.

    I like JVL a lot. I have corresponded with him. I listen to the Daily Bulwark Podcast (which is free), while I also listen to Ricochet, Dispatch and NR Podcasts. (I stopped listen to the Lincoln Project Podcasts two years ago when their scandal broke.) See https://ricochet.com/1314872/national-review-vs-the-dispatch-vs-the-bulwark-vs-the-lincoln-project/.

    The Bulwark is pretty resolutely NeverTrump, and for that they have been really savagely attacked here and elsewhere.

    I am caught in a quandary. Who I want is a repeat of Ronald Reagan who was tough when he had to be but is temperamentally optimistic. This is how I call the race at this point.

    I love Liz Cheney, but that is not going to happen in this universe.

    I would also love Mitt Romney (or any Senator who voted to convict Trump in either impeachment), but he is clearly not running.

    I admire and respect Larry Hogan, but I don’t think that he will have a chance, even though he is the most successful Republican in Maryland history.

    Of the people who will have a chance, I like Glenn Youngkin, Chris Sununu, Nikki Haley and Tim Scott a lot. They are plenty tough, but share Reagan’s sunny disposition.

    I could be very happy with a number of Republican Governors like Doug Ducey, and Brian Kemp, even though they don’t have Reagan’s sunny disposition. (Note: By June 2021, Arizona, Florida and Texas threw off COVID restrictions for the last time. However, Arizona’s Doug Ducey has not gotten the positive attention that Florida’s DeSantis and Texas’ Abbott have received. Ducey was a quiet but very good governor.)

    Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis have the positive that they are not Trump, and can appeal to Trump voters.

    I firmly believe that Trump is an Existential Danger to the Republic and Republican Party. See https://ricochet.com/1364794/the-17-findings-of-the-house-select-committee-on-the-january-6th-attack-on-the-capitol/.

    Given all of that, since defeating Trump is not just important, but is essential, I am more than willing to vote for Greg Abbott or Ron DeSantis. The perfect must never be the enemy of the good. James is right on this.

    However, after the flurry of attacks on The Bulwark and other NeverTrumpers, I fully appreciate JVL’s column. I just come to a different conclusion than him, and I am much more close to James’ point of view.

    Ramaswamy.

    • #39
  10. TBA Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    This is a good thing. Trump lost because a significant percentage of Republicans voted for Biden. However after January 6, 2021, I predict that number has tripled.

    In Arizona, the top four statewide nominated Republicans had been endorsed by Trump in our primary. All of them lost in the 2022 general election. Other Republicans told me that they deliberately refused to vote for the Trump endorsed candidates, and instead voted for the Democrat candidates.

    We are bound and determined to take our party back.

    Grift, Inc thanks you for your service. 

    • #40
  11. Southern Pessimist Member
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    “What they really want is a sugar-soaked curriculum full of noble Pilgrims, Founding Fathers, then some handwaving about the early 19th century, then the whole white-savior narrative about the Civil War, and then it’s on to pushing out the savage Redman so the Rotarians and other God-fearing men can bust the sod and conjure cities out of the dirt while Jesus floats over the nation, nodding in approval. Black history shall not be taught, except in a lesson about how the Harlem Globetrotters solved a mystery with the Scooby-Doo gang once.”

    Mind reading is a difficult task but it is essential for good satire. That is a very good description of the educrates opinion of the parents who reject their sophistry.

     

     

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Another great post by James. Damn, I love reading him.

    I like JVL a lot. I have corresponded with him. I listen to the Daily Bulwark Podcast (which is free), while I also listen to Ricochet, Dispatch and NR Podcasts. (I stopped listen to the Lincoln Project Podcasts two years ago when their scandal broke.) See https://ricochet.com/1314872/national-review-vs-the-dispatch-vs-the-bulwark-vs-the-lincoln-project/.

    The Bulwark is pretty resolutely NeverTrump, and for that they have been really savagely attacked here and elsewhere.

    I am caught in a quandary. Who I want is a repeat of Ronald Reagan who was tough when he had to be but is temperamentally optimistic. This is how I call the race at this point.

    I love Liz Cheney, but that is not going to happen in this universe.

    I would also love Mitt Romney (or any Senator who voted to convict Trump in either impeachment), but he is clearly not running.

    I admire and respect Larry Hogan, but I don’t think that he will have a chance, even though he is the most successful Republican in Maryland history.

    Of the people who will have a chance, I like Glenn Youngkin, Chris Sununu, Nikki Haley and Tim Scott a lot. They are plenty tough, but share Reagan’s sunny disposition.

    I could be very happy with a number of Republican Governors like Doug Ducey, and Brian Kemp, even though they don’t have Reagan’s sunny disposition. (Note: By June 2021, Arizona, Florida and Texas threw off COVID restrictions for the last time. However, Arizona’s Doug Ducey has not gotten the positive attention that Florida’s DeSantis and Texas’ Abbott have received. Ducey was a quiet but very good governor.)

    Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis have the positive that they are not Trump, and can appeal to Trump voters.

    I firmly believe that Trump is an Existential Danger to the Republic and Republican Party. See https://ricochet.com/1364794/the-17-findings-of-the-house-select-committee-on-the-january-6th-attack-on-the-capitol/.

    Given all of that, since defeating Trump is not just important, but is essential, I am more than willing to vote for Greg Abbott or Ron DeSantis. The perfect must never be the enemy of the good. James is right on this.

    However, after the flurry of attacks on The Bulwark and other NeverTrumpers, I fully appreciate JVL’s column. I just come to a different conclusion than him, and I am much more close to James’ point of view.

    Ramaswamy.

    Never heard of it.  I prefer Nissin’s Top Ramen.

    • #42
  13. Columbo Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Another great post by James. Damn, I love reading him.

    I like JVL a lot. I have corresponded with him. I listen to the Daily Bulwark Podcast (which is free), while I also listen to Ricochet, Dispatch and NR Podcasts. (I stopped listen to the Lincoln Project Podcasts two years ago when their scandal broke.) See https://ricochet.com/1314872/national-review-vs-the-dispatch-vs-the-bulwark-vs-the-lincoln-project/.

    The Bulwark is pretty resolutely NeverTrump, and for that they have been really savagely attacked here and elsewhere.

    I am caught in a quandary. Who I want is a repeat of Ronald Reagan who was tough when he had to be but is temperamentally optimistic. This is how I call the race at this point.

    I love Liz Cheney, but that is not going to happen in this universe.

    I would also love Mitt Romney (or any Senator who voted to convict Trump in either impeachment), but he is clearly not running.

    I admire and respect Larry Hogan, but I don’t think that he will have a chance, even though he is the most successful Republican in Maryland history.

    Of the people who will have a chance, I like Glenn Youngkin, Chris Sununu, Nikki Haley and Tim Scott a lot. They are plenty tough, but share Reagan’s sunny disposition.

    I could be very happy with a number of Republican Governors like Doug Ducey, and Brian Kemp, even though they don’t have Reagan’s sunny disposition. (Note: By June 2021, Arizona, Florida and Texas threw off COVID restrictions for the last time. However, Arizona’s Doug Ducey has not gotten the positive attention that Florida’s DeSantis and Texas’ Abbott have received. Ducey was a quiet but very good governor.)

    Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis have the positive that they are not Trump, and can appeal to Trump voters.

    How many “I”‘s are in your post? Damning.

    Doesn’t matter much anymore: Top GOP Donors to Meet with GOP Candidates for President But President Trump Is Not Invited | The Gateway Pundit

    This is a good thing. Trump lost because a significant percentage of Republicans voted for Biden. However after January 6, 2021, I predict that number has tripled.

    In Arizona, the top four statewide nominated Republicans had been endorsed by Trump in our primary. All of them lost in the 2022 general election. Other Republicans told me that they deliberately refused to vote for the Trump endorsed candidates, and instead voted for the Democrat candidates.

    We are bound and determined to take our party back.

    SRSLY?!

    • #43
  14. Randy Weivoda Moderator
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    James, great post.

    While we’re contemplating theories, I have one. It started out as a hypothesis, but maybe I’ve seen enough evidence to conclude that it’s a theory. I didn’t come up with this entirely on my own. My principal source is Christopher Caldwell, buttressed by Patrick Deneen.

    My theory is that there are a bunch of people who think of themselves as Republicans and even as vaguely conservative, while they are actually Leftists. They seem to have an almost entirely Left-wing world view. This group seems to be principally comprised of:

    • Libertarians
    • “Conservatarians”
    • People who say that they are “social liberals and fiscal conservatives”

    There’s probably quite a bit of overlap between these groups. Libertarians seem, to me, to be anarchists who lack the courage of their convictions. Conservatarians seem to be Libertarians who likewise lack the courage of their convictions.

    I realize that this may be a bit too harsh. Maybe they’re just stuck in their expectation, or demand, for a system of morality and law based on pure reason. There ain’t no such thing, but their faith in the goddess of Reason springs eternal. They don’t seem to realize that they’re fundamentally Jacobins. Many of them probably don’t know what a Jacobin might be.

    So we end up with one party, the Democrats, who are entirely in the grip of the Left and who drift ever further Leftward. We have another party, the Republicans, about half of whom are Leftists who don’t even know it.

    Thank you for sharing that theory, Jerry.  Here I’ve been a leftist all along and didn’t even know it.  Because the true conservative position is evidently to grant government nearly limitless power to make us live life right.

    • #44
  15. Steve C. Member
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    “I don’t know. I’m not a TrueCon who is conserving conservatism so the whole thing about fellating the satraps of corporate city-states doesn’t come naturally to me.”

    That is some top shelf Bleating. 

    • #45
  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Last is such a pompous prig. I used to subscribe to the Sub(space)Beacon podcast for $1. One dollar for Victorino Matus. His contributions overcame Last’s descent into madness. When I started with the Substandard podcast Last was reasonable. Vic left at the end of the year which made unsubscribing easy.

    After the 2020 Coup, Last had the audacity to say that he was back from saving America. How revolting. Trump implemented the policies Last once claimed to be for. Like the Democrats claiming to be conservatives here on Ricochet, is he lying now or was he lying then? It’s obvious he will say whatever his employer wants him to say.

    I was paying $2, $1 for Vic and $1 for Sonny.

    And then I too bailed when Vic left.

    • #46
  17. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    As many of the comments on the Tweet noted, and as James notes here, the Gov. Bush governed in a different time than does Gov. Desantis, with different issues, different concerns, and different opportunities.

    My never-totally-reliable memory tells me that Bush did a pretty good job as governor.

    But I don’t think he’d have the gumption to fight the tidal wave of insanity that DeSantis confronts regularly.

     

    • #47
  18. James Lileks Contributor
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    Apologies for not showing up and responding, but it’s been a busy day with family events. Interesting and piquant replies! I’d expect nothing less. Thanks!

    • #48
  19. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Randy Weivoda (View Comment)

    Thank you for sharing that theory, Jerry. Here I’ve been a leftist all along and didn’t even know it. 

    Maybe it’s time for you to take ownership of your position,.

    • #49
  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    To those of you who have wondered if The Bulwark would ever say that DeSantis is worse than Trump, here is Charlie Sykes of The Daily Bulwark podcast whose morning column says:

    A reminder: No one is worse than Trump.

    “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle,” George Orwell warned. So let’s take a moment to look at what is in front of our noses… right now.

    The Demented Orange God King keeps telling us who he is:

     Image Image 

    Etc. etc, etc.

    Imagine reading these on a daily basis and thinking that there is any way that this man should be restored to power, given back the nuclear codes, and control of the DOJ, FBI, CIA, IRS, and the U.S. military….

    https://morningshots.thebulwark.com/p/no-desantis-is-not-worse-than-trump?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=87272&post_id=105680251&isFreemail=false&utm_medium=email

    • #50
  21. Charlotte Member
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    Steve C. (View Comment):

    “I don’t know. I’m not a TrueCon who is conserving conservatism so the whole thing about fellating the satraps of corporate city-states doesn’t come naturally to me.”

    That is some top shelf Bleating.

    Beat me to it. That’s gonna leave a mark. 

    • #51
  22. Ernst Rabbit von Hasenpfeffer Member
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    @ape2ag

    I wonder about the never-Trump Republicans which seem to now be evolving into never populist Republicans.  At the pundit level, these are guys that have staked out a certain geography in the political landscape and invested careers in their political positions.  When the public debate shifts they stand to lose income and status so there is this weird flailing for relevance.  Smart guys with insights that I once enjoyed reading are now just ranting at clouds.  

    Motivations for voters are different.  There does seem to be some small (but relevant in close elections) group of soft Republican voters who will vote against anyone with the smell of Trump or Trump’s populism.  Their considerations seem to be purely aesthetic.  Populist appeals to the working class are crass and low status.

    • #52
  23. Ernst Rabbit von Hasenpfeffer Member
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    @ape2ag

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    James, great post.

    While we’re contemplating theories, I have one. It started out as a hypothesis, but maybe I’ve seen enough evidence to conclude that it’s a theory. I didn’t come up with this entirely on my own. My principal source is Christopher Caldwell, buttressed by Patrick Deneen.

    My theory is that there are a bunch of people who think of themselves as Republicans and even as vaguely conservative, while they are actually Leftists. They seem to have an almost entirely Left-wing world view. This group seems to be principally comprised of:

    • Libertarians
    • “Conservatarians”
    • People who say that they are “social liberals and fiscal conservatives”

    There’s probably quite a bit of overlap between these groups. Libertarians seem, to me, to be anarchists who lack the courage of their convictions. Conservatarians seem to be Libertarians who likewise lack the courage of their convictions.

    I realize that this may be a bit too harsh. Maybe they’re just stuck in their expectation, or demand, for a system of morality and law based on pure reason. There ain’t no such thing, but their faith in the goddess of Reason springs eternal. They don’t seem to realize that they’re fundamentally Jacobins. Many of them probably don’t know what a Jacobin might be.

    So we end up with one party, the Democrats, who are entirely in the grip of the Left and who drift ever further Leftward. We have another party, the Republicans, about half of whom are Leftists who don’t even know it.

    I think libertarians were always of 2 types.  There were the intellectual autists who developed elaborate but impractical theories about how society could work.  They were sincere but had no interest in functional politics.  Then the larger group of libertarians were just guys who wanted to smoke weed.  It was never really a cohesive movement.

    • #53
  24. Mark Camp Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Mark Camp (View Comment):

    James,

    You raise what might be the essential question of our times for ideological conservatives.

    So, I would very much like to read, and even engage in, a dialog on it on an Internet forum with others who have the same interest.

    I say that just to affirm you for raising the question here, on what is unquestionably an Internet forum, whatever else one might say about it.

    [TAGS: Social Satire, Light-Hearted and As Always, Perfectly Incomprehensible]

    There is an awe inspiring perfection in absolute incomprehensibility. I get it.

    Parsing, please hold.  We will be with you as soon as possible.

    Re-parsing, please hold.  We will be with you as soon as possible.

    Re-parsing, please hold.  We will be with you as soon as possible.

    • #54
  25. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    To those of you who have wondered if The Bulwark would ever say that DeSantis is worse than Trump, 

    I’m guessing that would not be many, if any, but thanks for the reminder that Sykes is a clown.

     

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  26. Raxxalan Member
    Raxxalan
    @Raxxalan

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    To those of you who have wondered if The Bulwark would ever say that DeSantis is worse than Trump,

    They’ll do the democrat thing and wait to attack DeSantis after/if he gets the nomination.  The whole point is to be court jester conservatives.  They don’t want to win elections just preen, virtue signal, and get money from gullible people. 

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  27. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    To those of you who have wondered if The Bulwark would ever say that DeSantis is worse than Trump,

    They’ll do the democrat thing and wait to attack DeSantis after/if he gets the nomination. The whole point is to be court jester conservatives. They don’t want to win elections just preen, virtue signal, and get money from gullible people.

    Pretty much. Though I’d argue they do want Democrats to win elections.

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  28. Hoyacon Member
    Hoyacon
    @Hoyacon

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    To those of you who have wondered if The Bulwark would ever say that DeSantis is worse than Trump,

    They’ll do the democrat thing and wait to attack DeSantis after/if he gets the nomination. The whole point is to be court jester conservatives. They don’t want to win elections just preen, virtue signal, and get money from gullible people.

    Pretty much. Though I’d argue they do want Democrats to win elections.

    In a way, it’s kind of cool to see the Nevers revealing themselves as Democrats (see Rubin post above, Kristol, French, etc.).  We needed a reveal on the beltway punditocracy. 

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  29. Old Bathos Member
    Old Bathos
    @OldBathos

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    To those of you who have wondered if The Bulwark would ever say that DeSantis is worse than Trump,

    They’ll do the democrat thing and wait to attack DeSantis after/if he gets the nomination. The whole point is to be court jester conservatives. They don’t want to win elections just preen, virtue signal, and get money from gullible people.

    Pretty much. Though I’d argue they do want Democrats to win elections.

    In a way, it’s kind of cool to see the Nevers revealing themselves as Democrats (see Rubin post above, Kristol, French, etc.). We needed a reveal on the beltway punditocracy.

    But it also reveals that it is not about a political party as such but the tribal identity politics of the pseudo-elites.  Justification by faith  self-congratulations alone!  Being a zeitgeist-regurgitating, overpaid, unimaginative zombie with delusions of access to power and influence transcends party labels.

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Raxxalan (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    To those of you who have wondered if The Bulwark would ever say that DeSantis is worse than Trump,

    They’ll do the democrat thing and wait to attack DeSantis after/if he gets the nomination. The whole point is to be court jester conservatives. They don’t want to win elections just preen, virtue signal, and get money from gullible people.

    Pretty much. Though I’d argue they do want Democrats to win elections.

    In a way, it’s kind of cool to see the Nevers revealing themselves as Democrats (see Rubin post above, Kristol, French, etc.). We needed a reveal on the beltway punditocracy.

    I mean, the Bulwark made it clear when they launched that their target wasn’t just Trump but their target was anyone who dared say anything positive about him. And it wasn’t long after their launch that they made it clear they were more interested in attacking Republicans than Democrats. Anyone who fell for their scam is too stupid to be allowed a vote.

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