To Kill an Infant

 

I believe that abortion is infanticide.  Perhaps technically a child needs to be born to be an infant, but I don’t see a discontinuity between a living human being in the womb and a living human being outside the womb.  We are all in a continuum from conception to aged death, from the inception of life to our last breath.

But I acknowledge there is a linguistic precision between a fetus and an infant.

So once a fetus has exited the womb and becomes an infant, it would be proper to say that killing the infant is certainly infanticide.  Could anyone in this day and age have the ethics to allow the killing of a born infant?

The answer to that is a resounding yes210 Democrats voted to kill a born infant, a living infant that has survived an abortion attempt.  210 Democrats support infanticide.

The Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act requires that, when a baby is born alive following an abortion, health care practitioners must exercise the same degree of professional skill and care that would be offered to any other child born alive at the same gestational age.

The child is alive.  It will have moving arms and legs, may try to let out a cry, and certainly express some sort of distress.  Can anyone with a human heart not try to save its life?

Yes!

The Democrats and like-minded people expect—no stipulate through law—that such an infant be allowed to die.  What does it mean “allowed to die”?  It means to just leave it without the comfort and nutrition that any natural parent would provide to any infant.  Would an infant not born of an abortion, fully healthy, live very long if it were not cared for?  Of course not.

There is no difference between an infant born of a botched abortion and one born wanted by his or her parents.

To allow a newborn to die is infanticide.  It is no different than the ancient pagans who left their unwanted infants in the forest to die.  Frank Pavone, head of Priests for Life, condemned those that voted against it.

“The pro-abortion Democrats, on the other hand, can no longer hide their extremism. The Born Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act has nothing to do with abortion, other than calling for life-saving care for newborns who survive this brutal procedure. It’s a life-saving bill, but not an abortion restriction. Democrats voted against it. They voted against saving the lives of the most vulnerable,” he told LifeNews.

Mind you, even the pro-abortion Republicans voted to save the lives of the born alive.  This was a strict party-line vote with only two Democrats voting for saving the infants.  It passed 220-210, only to be abandoned in the Democrat-controlled Senate or vetoed by our pro-abortion Democrat president.

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  1. Jim McConnell Member
    Jim McConnell
    @JimMcConnell

    I agree with you completely, @manny. This is another milestone in society’s road into degradation. Previous societies had the excuse of ignorance for their lack of respect for life. But moderns do not have that excuse; they are choosing evil.

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  2. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    It’s a brutal and inhumane act. Pure evil.

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  3. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Obama voted against a similar bill when he was an Illinois State Senator.

    As both Andy and I pointed out last night (and numerous times before), state senator Obama fought against the Illinois version of BAIPA that was identical in all material respects to the federal version. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama claimed that he voted against the Illinois BAIPA because it failed to contain a “neutrality clause” making it clear that the bill did not affect the right to an abortion. This is false. Documents obtained by National Right to Life show that the Illinois BAIPA did, in fact, contain a neutrality clause identical to the federal version.

    I disagree slightly. It wasn’t just false, it was a lie – a damnable one.

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  4. Mad Gerald Coolidge
    Mad Gerald
    @Jose

    Manny: To allow a new born to die is infanticide.  It is no different than the ancient pagans who left their unwanted infants in the forest to die. 

    Minutes ago I watched a grim video about child sacrifice in ancient Gezer, Canaan.  Archeologists took pictures of the skeletal remains.  We’re regressing…

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Mad Gerald (View Comment):

    Manny: To allow a new born to die is infanticide. It is no different than the ancient pagans who left their unwanted infants in the forest to die.

    Minutes ago I watched a grim video about child sacrifice in ancient Gezer, Canaan. Archeologists took pictures of the skeletal remains. We’re regressing…

    As I have to remind occasionally:  Not we.  They.

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  6. Hartmann von Aue Member
    Hartmann von Aue
    @HartmannvonAue

    Minor quibble with your question about the human heart. It is insufficiently precise. “Can anyone with a  moral, decent human heart heart not try to save its life?” The answer to that question is “No.” Another question follows hard on: “What kind of human heart would not try to save its life?” The answer to that one is “A cold, evil, twisted heart, that of a sadist or a sociopath.” Like that of Illinois State Senator Barack Obama in his opposition to Illinois BAIPA a couple of decades ago.  And that tells you all you need to know about the pro-aborts.

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  7. Hartmann von Aue Member
    Hartmann von Aue
    @HartmannvonAue

    Percival (View Comment):

    Obama voted against a similar bill when he was an Illinois State Senator.

    As both Andy and I pointed out last night (and numerous times before), state senator Obama fought against the Illinois version of BAIPA that was identical in all material respects to the federal version. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama claimed that he voted against the Illinois BAIPA because it failed to contain a “neutrality clause” making it clear that the bill did not affect the right to an abortion. This is false. Documents obtained by National Right to Life show that the Illinois BAIPA did, in fact, contain a neutrality clause identical to the federal version.

    I disagree slightly. It wasn’t just false, it was a lie – a damnable one.

    Thanks for reminding people of that, Percy. We were at UIUC when that was going on.

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  8. The Scarecrow Thatcher
    The Scarecrow
    @TheScarecrow

    If a house burned down, and a child inside managed to escape just in time, I suppose most of the democrats would be in favor of throwing the kid back into the fire? What’s the difference?

    These people have to be some kind of demon-possessed.

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  9. Vance Richards Member
    Vance Richards
    @VanceRichards

    Knowing that the Senate won’t move on this bill, the point was just to get Democrats on record saying that abortion is acceptable even outside of the mother’s womb. That it goes beyond the “her body, her choice” argument. That is an extreme position.  But will Republicans still be painted as the extremists come election time? So many are really bad at talking to the issue of abortion.

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  10. Manny Coolidge
    Manny
    @Manny

    Hartmann von Aue (View Comment):

    Minor quibble with your question about the human heart. It is insufficiently precise. “Can anyone with a moral, decent human heart heart not try to save its life?” The answer to that question is “No.” Another question follows hard on: “What kind of human heart would not try to save its life?” The answer to that one is “A cold, evil, twisted heart, that of a sadist or a sociopath.” Like that of Illinois State Senator Barack Obama in his opposition to Illinois BAIPA a couple of decades ago. And that tells you all you need to know about the pro-aborts.

    True but I hold out the possibility that on other moral issues or situations they a normal heart to do the right thing. I’m going to assume they would not support most non ethical situations that come up but on this Satan has blinded their conscience to the right decision. 

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  11. Dotorimuk Coolidge
    Dotorimuk
    @Dotorimuk

    Maximum agreement with you.

     

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  12. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Knowing that the Senate won’t move on this bill, the point was just to get Democrats on record saying that abortion is acceptable even outside of the mother’s womb. That it goes beyond the “her body, her choice” argument. That is an extreme position. But will Republicans still be painted as the extremists come election time? So many are really bad at talking to the issue of abortion.

    Every vote shows the divisions along party lines, between red and blue states. We can survive small divisions. We won’t survive evil ones. Slavery was evil. Abortion is evil.

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  13. Scott Wilmot Member
    Scott Wilmot
    @ScottWilmot

    It can only be explained by demonic activity.

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  14. Full Size Tabby Member
    Full Size Tabby
    @FullSizeTabby

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Knowing that the Senate won’t move on this bill, the point was just to get Democrats on record saying that abortion is acceptable even outside of the mother’s womb. That it goes beyond the “her body, her choice” argument. That is an extreme position. But will Republicans still be painted as the extremists come election time? So many are really bad at talking to the issue of abortion.

    I do wish people (and politicians) did more to keep before the public that it is Democratic (not Republican) policies and priorities that encourage death, violence, dividing people from one another, and suffering. 

    On death, abortion (and now overtly permitting infanticide) is the most obvious. But (following the Canadian model) so is the proposal to have the government determine via “universal health care” who does and who does not get medical care. 

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  15. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Knowing that the Senate won’t move on this bill, the point was just to get Democrats on record saying that abortion is acceptable even outside of the mother’s womb. That it goes beyond the “her body, her choice” argument. That is an extreme position. But will Republicans still be painted as the extremists come election time? So many are really bad at talking to the issue of abortion.

    I do wish people (and politicians) did more to keep before the public that it is Democratic (not Republican) policies and priorities that encourage death, violence, dividing people from one another, and suffering.

    On death, abortion (and now overtly permitting infanticide) is the most obvious. But (following the Canadian model) so is the proposal to have the government determine via “universal health care” who does and who does not get medical care.

    … but no death panels, remember?

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  16. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    It can only be explained by demonic activity.

    Lucifer disagrees. He says that humanity creates its own evil and he merely observes. He did help Robert Jphnson make blues music though.

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  17. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Abortion and infanticide are very normal in nature.

    https://ricochet.com/1294887/what-if-abortion-is-perfectly-natural/

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  18. Doug Watt Moderator
    Doug Watt
    @DougWatt

    If a human being is a fetus, then a fetus is a human being. It’s not like there is a chance that after about nine months kittens, puppies, or a horse will emerge from a woman’s womb. 

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  19. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
    GlennAmurgis
    @GlennAmurgis

    what was creepy was listening to people like Nadler justify their vote against this bill.

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  20. Scott Wilmot Member
    Scott Wilmot
    @ScottWilmot

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    It can only be explained by demonic activity.

    Lucifer disagrees. He says that humanity creates its own evil and he merely observes. He did help Robert Jphnson make blues music though.

    It all started at the fall of man in the Garden, Henry. Satan was there.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    It can only be explained by demonic activity.

    Lucifer disagrees. He says that humanity creates its own evil and he merely observes. He did help Robert Jphnson make blues music though.

    It all started at the fall of man in the Garden, Henry. Satan was there.

    Oh good, I have an excuse to use this meme I created, again!

     

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  22. Modus Ponens Member
    Modus Ponens
    @ModusPonens

    Of course this was the ultimate goal. This is the danger of making false distinctions: fetus as distinguished from a child, abortion as distinguished from infanticide. To justify abortion is to justify infanticide because a fetus is a child. Linguistic tricks are a hallmark of modern leftism.

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  23. Ray Gunner Coolidge
    Ray Gunner
    @RayGunner

    Manny: This was a strict party-line vote with only two Democrats voting for saving the infants.  It passed 220-210, only to be abandoned in the Democrat-controlled Senate or vetoed by our pro-abortion Democrat president.

    But of course….Despite being the party of Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, Eliot Spitzer, Andrew Cuomo, Eric Schneiderman, and Harvey Weinstein, young American women still vote for these Democratic creeps 80+% of the time, and the creeps are convinced abortion-on-demand  is why.  Tragically, the creeps appear to be right about that.  

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Manny: This was a strict party-line vote with only two Democrats voting for saving the infants. It passed 220-210, only to be abandoned in the Democrat-controlled Senate or vetoed by our pro-abortion Democrat president.

    But of course….Despite being the party of Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, Eliot Spitzer, Andrew Cuomo, Eric Schneiderman, and Harvey Weinstein, young American women still vote for these Democratic creeps 80+% of the time, and the creeps are convinced abortion-on-demand is why. Tragically, the creeps appear to be right about that.

    And it doesn’t speak well of the morality of 80% of young American women.

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  25. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
    DaveSchmidt
    @DaveSchmidt

    Mad Gerald (View Comment):

    Manny: To allow a new born to die is infanticide. It is no different than the ancient pagans who left their unwanted infants in the forest to die.

    Minutes ago I watched a grim video about child sacrifice in ancient Gezer, Canaan. Archeologists took pictures of the skeletal remains. We’re regressing…

    I bet the ancients did not have parties willing to purchase the body parts of the “sacrificed.”  

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  26. Charles Mark Member
    Charles Mark
    @CharlesMark

    Those people can’t take any position that might concede that there are moral or ethical issues around abortion. There is no ludicrous argument they won’t make to hold their line. The real question is how far will they go? Post-abortion infanticide is only a step on the way. 

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Mad Gerald (View Comment):

    Manny: To allow a new born to die is infanticide. It is no different than the ancient pagans who left their unwanted infants in the forest to die.

    Minutes ago I watched a grim video about child sacrifice in ancient Gezer, Canaan. Archeologists took pictures of the skeletal remains. We’re regressing…

    I bet the ancients did not have parties willing to purchase the body parts of the “sacrificed.”

    Even if they did, denying the parts to the gods would likely have been considered blasphemous.

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  28. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

     

    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    Those people can’t take any position that might concede that there are moral or ethical issues around abortion. There is no ludicrous argument they won’t make to hold their line. The real question is how far will they go? Post-abortion infanticide is only a step on the way.

    It would not surprise me if some will argue for extending abortion to 12 months.

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  29. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Ray Gunner (View Comment):

    Manny: This was a strict party-line vote with only two Democrats voting for saving the infants. It passed 220-210, only to be abandoned in the Democrat-controlled Senate or vetoed by our pro-abortion Democrat president.

    But of course….Despite being the party of Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein, Eliot Spitzer, Andrew Cuomo, Eric Schneiderman, and Harvey Weinstein, young American women still vote for these Democratic creeps 80+% of the time, and the creeps are convinced abortion-on-demand is why. Tragically, the creeps appear to be right about that.

    Being pregnant when you don’t want to be is really tough. Like most Americans I am fine with abortion in cases of rape and incest but I am weirded by this abortion all the time for any reason mentality.

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  30. Henry Castaigne Member
    Henry Castaigne
    @HenryCastaigne

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    It can only be explained by demonic activity.

    Lucifer disagrees. He says that humanity creates its own evil and he merely observes. He did help Robert Jphnson make blues music though.

    It all started at the fall of man in the Garden, Henry. Satan was there.

    Firstly, it is  Jewish parable and not a thing that actually happened. Secondly, why does G-d wish to deny knowledge to humanity?

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