My Government, My Election System, and My Kitchen

 

Charles C.W. Cooke, writing in today’s National Review about the Biden Administration’s plan to ban gas stoves, quoted the apparatchik in charge of the relevant agency as making the following, remarkably stupid, statement:

Justifying the administration’s proposed move, CPSC commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. explained that “products that can’t be made safe can be banned.” What, I wonder, would be excluded from that definition?

Very good question, Charles.  A few years ago one of my elderly patients was parking her car at a grocery store and bonked into something.  She said she was barely moving, but her airbag deployed, breaking her arm.  So airbags are dangerous, right?  Well, yes they are, but they can also save your life.  But since they “can’t be made safe” we should ban them, right, Comrade Trumka Jr?

Richard Trumka Jr. was appointed Commissioner of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission by President Biden.  You might think that Mr. Trumka Jr. might be uncomfortable with tyrannical power structures, controlling people through the threat of force.  You would be mistaken.  His father, Richard Trumka Sr., was the president of The United Mine Workers, and later he was president of the AFL-CIO.  So it runs in the family, I guess.

Which means that a Democrat president owed a favor to a union thug who helped him get elected, so now I have to change how I cook supper.

Our government is simply out of control.

Just imagine what our founders would think of this.  Heck, imagine what FDR would think of this.  This is bonkers.

Our government is so insane that it’s hard to envision what it was before, or how we got here.

This is absolutely bonkers.

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  1. Percival Thatcher
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

    From the same thread

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    Hmm, well maybe there is something to that brain damage claim.

    Yes. Cooking a salad?

    Hey, her doctorate is in education, not nutrition.

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  2. cdor Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    The Federal Government has no business doing this, any more than it had with lightbulbs.

    Apparently, for some, if it is legal is is OK.

    That is morally, and ethically wrong.

    I don’t care what the laws say, I don’t care what the Supreme Court has said. The Constitution most certainly was not written to give the Federal Government these level of powers.

    They should not have them, even though they do.

    Right and Wrong transcend the courts.

    When George W. Bush and his Republican congress banned incandescent light bulbs, I bought a gross (144) of 100-watt incandescent bulbs. I still have about 75 or 80 of them. First, the ban only lasted about a year, and second, LED bulbs became so good, with the ability to dim and choose the warmth of the color and the length of time that they last and the inexpensive initial cost and the lower cost of use, I don’t even want to use those incandescent bulbs. I don’t see that happening with gas ranges. I much prefer cooking with my gas cooktop. But way back in the mid-1050’s when my parents built a new house, my mother installed electric ovens in her new kitchen because they baked with more even heat, but she still used a gas cooktop.

    In any event, gas cooking has been around for over two centuries. Mr. Trumpka better have some real hard data as to how many serious injuries are directly the result of gas ranges relative to how many millions have been in use. Do people really want this kind of a nanny government? I find it thoroughly disgusting.

    LED lightbulbs have a different spectrum than incandescent. And many, if not all, are heavy in the blue or blue-green range, which is conducive to setting your body to keeping you awake. Incandescents are in the red-yellow range which is conducive to sleep. If you’re using the blue-range bulbs in the evening or night, it prevents you from getting drowsy and going to sleep. Not healthy. That’s what I’ve read at least.

    Meh, I don’t know, Flicker. I turn the lights out when I want to go to sleep. And the last I heard there is no caffeine in bourbon.

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  3. cdor Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    The Federal Government has no business doing this, any more than it had with lightbulbs.

    Apparently, for some, if it is legal is is OK.

    That is morally, and ethically wrong.

    I don’t care what the laws say, I don’t care what the Supreme Court has said. The Constitution most certainly was not written to give the Federal Government these level of powers.

    They should not have them, even though they do.

    Right and Wrong transcend the courts.

    Of Note: Those early corkscrew bulbs had mercury in them. Our government essentially mandated we store poison in the thinnest of glass containers all throughout our living space.

    That was outrageous. If you accidentally broke one of those bulbs you had to call a hazmat team to clean it up. Home Depot used to sell them. When I had one burn out-prematurely- I took it back to Home Depot and told them to throw it in with their hazardous waste, because before I bought that bulb from them, I had no hazardous waste of my own.

    • #123
  4. RufusRJones Member
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    You definitely want to use “cool” and “warm” lighting appropriately. Cool is for security and some office / factory  applications. You don’t want to use cool color temperature lights in your home very much.

    It’s the same thing with your TV. Unless the room is really bright always use warm.

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  5. Al French Moderator
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    So AOC declares, with certainty, that gas stoves cause brain damage.

    And AOC has a gas stove.

    QED.

    • #125
  6. cdor Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    In this debate over gas stoves the last few days, I was surprised to learn that only 40% of Americans have gas stoves. That strikes me as awfully low. Of all the people I know, there is only one that does not have a gas stove, my sister in Ohio and she does have electric. Does 40% seem low to others as well? How many people here do not use a gas stove in their homes?

    I have a flat cooktop. Oldest daughter has gas and claims it is better.

    It is better. In contrast to electrics, gas stoves don’t waste fuel warming up and they don’t stay dangerously hot very long after the burners are turned off.

    Don’t want to get too picky, but there needs to be some kind of definition of terms. A stove is kind of a catch-all term. Specifically, there are ovens, cooktops, and ranges (which are a combination of ovens and cooktops).

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  7. Flicker Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

    From the same thread

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    Hmm, well maybe there is something to that brain damage claim.

    Yes. Cooking a salad?

    Well, in fairness, she could be sauteeing spinach…

    True.

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  8. Flicker Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    If items that are unsafe should be banned, why do we still drive cars (any deaths from motor vehicles?), sky dive (any deaths there?), use ladders (has anybody fallen off and died?, swim (any drownings last year) or work in blue collar jobs?

    Perhaps the Dems should ban life because it always ends in death . . .

    Life Itself Causes Death.

    Is that a Democrat bumper sticker?

    • #128
  9. cdor Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Now that New York Governor Hochul has added her idiotic intent to ban all natural gas appliances, I wanted to pile onto Comment #68 above by @ marcin that powering everything with a single energy source (electricity) is risky. With gas, a resident has options.

    In places like most of New York state, which has actual weather that sometimes gets violent, electric supply lines fail. We lived in western New York for 18 years. Although our neighborhood’s electric supply lines were underground (safe from weather), the feeder lines to our neighborhood were above ground, and failed during some weather events. Many parts of town had the combination of mature trees and above-ground electric lines that made for frequent power outages. Many of our friends and neighbors had natural gas powered generators for those eventualities. For a few people those gas powered generators had been installed to run critical medical equipment.

    As Marci notes, with a gas stove you can at least cook some food when the power fails (including the food in the refrigerator that would otherwise spoil while the power’s out). Although our gas furnace depended on electricity to ignite and to run its fan, we could use the gas fireplace for heat when the electric power was out.

    We now live in Texas, in a house that is all-electric. There is no retail natural gas available in the subdivision (though ironically there are several lots at the corner of the subdivision that will always remain empty because a high volume natural gas transport pipeline runs under them). I would have liked gas in the house, but the other features of the house and the neighborhood left this house as the best overall option in the balancing of trade-offs (see Dr. Thomas Sowell – there are no solutions, only trade-offs). We have adjusted to cooking on the glass top electric stove, and Mrs. Tabby does like the easy cleaning of the smooth glass cooktop.

    Easy cleaning is a very good point. That’s about the only good thing in an electric cooktop.

    • #129
  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    The Federal Government has no business doing this, any more than it had with lightbulbs.

    Apparently, for some, if it is legal is is OK.

    That is morally, and ethically wrong.

    I don’t care what the laws say, I don’t care what the Supreme Court has said. The Constitution most certainly was not written to give the Federal Government these level of powers.

    They should not have them, even though they do.

    Right and Wrong transcend the courts.

    When George W. Bush and his Republican congress banned incandescent light bulbs, I bought a gross (144) of 100-watt incandescent bulbs. I still have about 75 or 80 of them. First, the ban only lasted about a year, and second, LED bulbs became so good, with the ability to dim and choose the warmth of the color and the length of time that they last and the inexpensive initial cost and the lower cost of use, I don’t even want to use those incandescent bulbs. I don’t see that happening with gas ranges. I much prefer cooking with my gas cooktop. But way back in the mid-1050’s when my parents built a new house, my mother installed electric ovens in her new kitchen because they baked with more even heat, but she still used a gas cooktop.

    In any event, gas cooking has been around for over two centuries. Mr. Trumpka better have some real hard data as to how many serious injuries are directly the result of gas ranges relative to how many millions have been in use. Do people really want this kind of a nanny government? I find it thoroughly disgusting.

    LED lightbulbs have a different spectrum than incandescent. And many, if not all, are heavy in the blue or blue-green range, which is conducive to setting your body to keeping you awake. Incandescents are in the red-yellow range which is conducive to sleep. If you’re using the blue-range bulbs in the evening or night, it prevents you from getting drowsy and going to sleep. Not healthy. That’s what I’ve read at least.

    Meh, I don’t know, Flicker. I turn the lights out when I want to go to sleep. And the last I heard there is no caffeine in bourbon.

    It’s not just the “wrong” lights currently being on, that make it harder to sleep.  It’s if you’ve been in an office during the day and even at home, with those lights, makes it harder to sleep later, when you’ve turned them off.

    • #130
  11. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
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    Al French (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    So AOC declares, with certainty, that gas stoves cause brain damage.

    And AOC has a gas stove.

    QED.

    Perhaps. But we also have heard nothing of kitchen fires in the AOC kitchen. Therefore, gas stoves must be extraordinarily safe. 

    • #131
  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Now that New York Governor Hochul has added her idiotic intent to ban all natural gas appliances, I wanted to pile onto Comment #68 above by @ marcin that powering everything with a single energy source (electricity) is risky. With gas, a resident has options.

    In places like most of New York state, which has actual weather that sometimes gets violent, electric supply lines fail. We lived in western New York for 18 years. Although our neighborhood’s electric supply lines were underground (safe from weather), the feeder lines to our neighborhood were above ground, and failed during some weather events. Many parts of town had the combination of mature trees and above-ground electric lines that made for frequent power outages. Many of our friends and neighbors had natural gas powered generators for those eventualities. For a few people those gas powered generators had been installed to run critical medical equipment.

    As Marci notes, with a gas stove you can at least cook some food when the power fails (including the food in the refrigerator that would otherwise spoil while the power’s out). Although our gas furnace depended on electricity to ignite and to run its fan, we could use the gas fireplace for heat when the electric power was out.

    We now live in Texas, in a house that is all-electric. There is no retail natural gas available in the subdivision (though ironically there are several lots at the corner of the subdivision that will always remain empty because a high volume natural gas transport pipeline runs under them). I would have liked gas in the house, but the other features of the house and the neighborhood left this house as the best overall option in the balancing of trade-offs (see Dr. Thomas Sowell – there are no solutions, only trade-offs). We have adjusted to cooking on the glass top electric stove, and Mrs. Tabby does like the easy cleaning of the smooth glass cooktop.

    Easy cleaning is a very good point. That’s about the only good thing in an electric cooktop.

    Modern gas cooktops have some kind of newer “sealed burner” technology that makes them easier to clean too.

    • #132
  13. cdor Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I’m OK with the LEDs. The whole thing was totally insane and wrong when they were using those stupid fluorescent lights. So the government forced it and maybe it worked out.

    There is one other factor about this though. I read an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal about these lights. One of the things they don’t know because it’s impossible to do decent experiments about it is, what about the heat given off by the incandescent lights in the winter? You use light more in the winter, so they know that the furnace is going to come on more when you use non-incandescents. So you have to subtract a certain amount off of what is saved from the LED, but they don’t know what that amount is.

    Yea but…in the summer, the opposite is true. Incandescents give off heat which adds to your electricity bill for air-conditioning.

    • #133
  14. cdor Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    If items that are unsafe should be banned, why do we still drive cars (any deaths from motor vehicles?), sky dive (any deaths there?), use ladders (has anybody fallen off and died?, swim (any drownings last year) or work in blue collar jobs?

    Perhaps the Dems should ban life because it always ends in death . . .

    Isn’t that exactly what they are trying to do?

    • #134
  15. RufusRJones Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I’m OK with the LEDs. The whole thing was totally insane and wrong when they were using those stupid fluorescent lights. So the government forced it and maybe it worked out.

    There is one other factor about this though. I read an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal about these lights. One of the things they don’t know because it’s impossible to do decent experiments about it is, what about the heat given off by the incandescent lights in the winter? You use light more in the winter, so they know that the furnace is going to come on more when you use non-incandescents. So you have to subtract a certain amount off of what is saved from the LED, but they don’t know what that amount is.

    Yea but…in the summer, the opposite is true. Incandescents give off heat which adds to your electricity bill for air-conditioning.

    The lights are on for less time in the summer.

    • #135
  16. Percival Thatcher
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    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):

    Al French (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    So AOC declares, with certainty, that gas stoves cause brain damage.

    And AOC has a gas stove.

    QED.

    Perhaps. But we also have heard nothing of kitchen fires in the AOC kitchen. Therefore, gas stoves must be extraordinarily safe.

    AOC can burn water regardless of the stove type.

    • #136
  17. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    W Bob (View Comment):

    Al French (View Comment):

    That’s the thing, they won’t have to. You can keep the ones you have. But no more will be manufactured or sold.

    They’ll cut it off at the utility company, so you can’t get it.

    • #137
  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    It’s been a while since I’ve been to a home-improvement store – Home Depot, etc – but the last time I was, I remember seeing displays in the lighting area for the different light “temperatures” and where they were most appropriately used, etc.  They made it easy to select the style of lighting you wanted.  But you do have to look at them to get the information, not just grab something off the shelf and head to the registers.

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  19. WalterWatchpocket Coolidge
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    As I understand, using a glass top electric stove, is not safe with a canner, either water bath or pressure canner.  Is the Big Guy igorant, stupid or malevalent?

    • #139
  20. RufusRJones Member
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    WalterWatchpocket (View Comment):

    As I understand, using a glass top electric stove, is not safe with a canner, either water bath or pressure canner. Is the Big Guy igorant, stupid or malevalent?

    I use a pressure cooker on one all of the time. Getting a stable pressure is tricky compared to gas. It’s even harder on induction but I think I’ve got it figured out.

    • #140
  21. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

     

    From the same thread

    Image

    Doctor of Domestic Sciences

    • #141
  22. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I’m OK with the LEDs. The whole thing was totally insane and wrong when they were using those stupid fluorescent lights. So the government forced it and maybe it worked out.

    There is one other factor about this though. I read an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal about these lights. One of the things they don’t know because it’s impossible to do decent experiments about it is, what about the heat given off by the incandescent lights in the winter? You use light more in the winter, so they know that the furnace is going to come on more when you use non-incandescents. So you have to subtract a certain amount off of what is saved from the LED, but they don’t know what that amount is.

    Modern TVs run much cooler.  

    • #142
  23. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    If items that are unsafe should be banned, why do we still drive cars (any deaths from motor vehicles?), sky dive (any deaths there?), use ladders (has anybody fallen off and died?, swim (any drownings last year) or work in blue collar jobs?

    Perhaps the Dems should ban life because it always ends in death . . .

    Life Itself Causes Death.

    Is that a Democrat bumper sticker?

    No, an argument for abortion. 

    • #143
  24. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    WalterWatchpocket (View Comment):

    As I understand, using a glass top electric stove, is not safe with a canner, either water bath or pressure canner. Is the Big Guy ignorant, stupid or malevolent?

    Why not all three?

    • #144
  25. RufusRJones Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I’m OK with the LEDs. The whole thing was totally insane and wrong when they were using those stupid fluorescent lights. So the government forced it and maybe it worked out.

    There is one other factor about this though. I read an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal about these lights. One of the things they don’t know because it’s impossible to do decent experiments about it is, what about the heat given off by the incandescent lights in the winter? You use light more in the winter, so they know that the furnace is going to come on more when you use non-incandescents. So you have to subtract a certain amount off of what is saved from the LED, but they don’t know what that amount is.

    Modern TVs run much cooler.

    We have two topics here. The cast of the light thrown off by the LEDs and the fact that LEDs don’t have any heat and incandescence have a lot of heat. I am only talking about lightbulbs except for my one comment about the setting on television sets.

    • #145
  26. The Reticulator Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    So AOC declares, with certainty, that gas stoves cause brain damage. 

    She said linked, not caused. Not that she knows the difference,  or that she cares if she does know. 

    Everything is connected to everything,  btw.

    • #146
  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    I’m OK with the LEDs. The whole thing was totally insane and wrong when they were using those stupid fluorescent lights. So the government forced it and maybe it worked out.

    There is one other factor about this though. I read an opinion piece in the Wall Street Journal about these lights. One of the things they don’t know because it’s impossible to do decent experiments about it is, what about the heat given off by the incandescent lights in the winter? You use light more in the winter, so they know that the furnace is going to come on more when you use non-incandescents. So you have to subtract a certain amount off of what is saved from the LED, but they don’t know what that amount is.

    Modern TVs run much cooler.

    We have two topics here. The cast of the light thrown off by the LEDs and the fact that LEDs don’t have any heat and incandescence have a lot of heat. I am only talking about lightbulbs except for my one comment about the setting on television sets.

    Computer screens, phones, and tablets have the same issue.  Which is why you can now find settings on those devices that reduce the amount of blue, so you’re less likely to have trouble sleeping.

    • #147
  28. Manny Coolidge
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    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    In this debate over gas stoves the last few days, I was surprised to learn that only 40% of Americans have gas stoves. That strikes me as awfully low. Of all the people I know, there is only one that does not have a gas stove, my sister in Ohio and she does have electric. Does 40% seem low to others as well? How many people here do not use a gas stove in their homes?

    I don’t have statistics one way or another, but here’s one anecdote. Since 1976 (when my parents built the home I spent most of my childhood in), I’ve lived in 10 different houses or apartments in Virginia or Pennsylvania. Only one of those had a gas stove (a very old one that actually didn’t work great). The rest had either the old spiral elements or the flat glass-top electric stoves. As someone who loves to cook, I would love to get a good gas stove, but regrettably, our home is not connected to natural gas, so I’ll just have to wait for now.

    Thanks. Must be a regional thing. Here in NYC I think we mostly all have gas.

    • #148
  29. Al French Moderator
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    You have a flashlight in case the power goes out. You have a fireplace in case the power goes out. You have a gas stove in case the power goes out. That said, I realize that modern gas stoves are lit by an electric charge. Which was a dumb innovation in the first place. The reason to have a gas stove used to be so you could have another source of heat in case the power went out. You could light the stove with a match and make yourself some coffee.

    About ten years ago I was without electricity for four days due to a snow and ice storm. I did fine with a wood stove, gas fireplace, gas stove and a propane lantern,

    • #149
  30. Buckpasser Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Buckpasser (View Comment):

    If items that are unsafe should be banned, why do we still drive cars (any deaths from motor vehicles?), sky dive (any deaths there?), use ladders (has anybody fallen off and died?, swim (any drownings last year) or work in blue collar jobs?

    Perhaps the Dems should ban life because it always ends in death . . .

    Life Itself Causes Death.

    Is that a Democrat bumper sticker?

    I guess that means being pro-life is really being pro-death.

    • #150
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