My Government, My Election System, and My Kitchen

 

Charles C.W. Cooke, writing in today’s National Review about the Biden Administration’s plan to ban gas stoves, quoted the apparatchik in charge of the relevant agency as making the following, remarkably stupid, statement:

Justifying the administration’s proposed move, CPSC commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. explained that “products that can’t be made safe can be banned.” What, I wonder, would be excluded from that definition?

Very good question, Charles.  A few years ago one of my elderly patients was parking her car at a grocery store and bonked into something.  She said she was barely moving, but her airbag deployed, breaking her arm.  So airbags are dangerous, right?  Well, yes they are, but they can also save your life.  But since they “can’t be made safe” we should ban them, right, Comrade Trumka Jr?

Richard Trumka Jr. was appointed Commissioner of the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission by President Biden.  You might think that Mr. Trumka Jr. might be uncomfortable with tyrannical power structures, controlling people through the threat of force.  You would be mistaken.  His father, Richard Trumka Sr., was the president of The United Mine Workers, and later he was president of the AFL-CIO.  So it runs in the family, I guess.

Which means that a Democrat president owed a favor to a union thug who helped him get elected, so now I have to change how I cook supper.

Our government is simply out of control.

Just imagine what our founders would think of this.  Heck, imagine what FDR would think of this.  This is bonkers.

Our government is so insane that it’s hard to envision what it was before, or how we got here.

This is absolutely bonkers.

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  1. W Bob Member
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    Al French (View Comment):

    That’s the thing, they won’t have to. You can keep the ones you have. But no more will be manufactured or sold. 

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  2. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Don’t look now, but do you have gas heat?

    • #62
  3. Stad Coolidge
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    If there’s anything we should ban, it’s Democrats from holding office . . .

    • #63
  4. Buckpasser Member
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    If items that are unsafe should be banned, why do we still drive cars (any deaths from motor vehicles?), sky dive (any deaths there?), use ladders (has anybody fallen off and died?, swim (any drownings last year) or work in blue collar jobs?

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  5. Percival Thatcher
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    AOC responded: Did you know that ongoing exposure to NO2 from gas stoves is linked to reduced cognitive performance?

    She has such a reduced level already that I can see how that would concern her.

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    I think the better language is the government needs to stick to stopping force and fraud. Maybe the concept of safety is more constructive under that wording. I’m not going to get into a big argument about it.

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  7. Painter Jean Moderator
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Joker (View Comment):
    First of all, gas cooking is not new. If there was a statistically meaningful difference in asthma between homes with and without gas ranges, we’d have heard about it 40 years ago. Shorter lives and respiratory problems would point out the problem. But apparently we just missed this emergency for the last 100 years.

    Well, to be accurate, houses are a lot more “sealed” now than they were in previous decades.

    But that mostly means that especially homes with gas appliances need proper ventilation.

    I suspect that building codes for new homes reflect that. But there are plenty of older homes – I live in one, an 1897 home – that are not tightly “sealed” and so are not likely to be a concern. Not that this is really about safety anyway – this is a swipe at the natural gas industry by the climistas.

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  8. MarciN Member
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    I’m really surprised that this is coming up so soon after the last major storms in which thousands of people went without electricity for days.

    You have a flashlight in case the power goes out. You have a fireplace in case the power goes out. You have a gas stove in case the power goes out. That said, I realize that modern gas stoves are lit by an electric charge. Which was a dumb innovation in the first place. The reason to have a gas stove used to be so you could have another source of heat in case the power went out. And you could light the stove with a match and make yourself some coffee.

    It’s weird. It’s like they are trying to funnel everyone onto the single centrally controlled and managed “electric grid.” When I was a kid, the thinking was the opposite: wealth gave people independence. That meant redundancy. Two or three sources of heat in case one went out. Two or three cars in case one didn’t work. The wealthier a person was, the more likely he or she had well water in addition to the town’s water supply.

    During the last storm, I was worried about my kids in Vermont because they don’t have a fireplace in their home. I got to thinking about this while I was unable to sleep because I was worried: what idiot came up with the idea of building any home in New England without a fireplace or woodburning stove? Why would anyone even think that was a good idea?

    It’s a way of life and a way of thinking that seems to be gone now. Independence. Living on your own. Not being dependent on the “grid.” Who even came up with that idea in the first place? I have never understood this. In my little town north of Boston when I was growing up, we had our own small electricity generator. Every town did. We provided for our own water too. Now they are trying to put people into centrally controlled water “grids.”

    This is just plain stupid. And dangerous. I recently watched the 2019 movie Mr. Jones about the Holodomor. If I were a Republican in Congress this week, I’d be pitching independence for individuals in terms of energy needs. We’ve always proceeded along that path. Time to find it again. Sure, the government works pretty well most of the time . . . until it doesn’t and there’s a massive baby formula shortage or the hospitals close or take your pick.

    Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts used to be all about that. How to take care of yourself. That was how I grew up: be prepared. Everything in my childhood was geared to helping me survive independently of others.

    I just can’t process the madness sweeping through our government.

    It’s the gun control thing. It’s the “When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.”

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  9. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    If You like Yer asbestos You can keep Yer asbestos.

    This was the subject of one of the first articles I remember reading in National Review, probably 1992/93.  IIRC, the article addressed the trade-offs for a ban on asbestos, especially as it pertained to vehicle brakes.  With the ban, we got marginally better air quality (who was going to contract lung problems from their brakes?!) in exchange for demonstrably inferior brake quality.  Probably one life saved from asbestosis for every 10 additional deaths from brake failure.  Federal regulator math at its finest.

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  10. Suspira Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    In this debate over gas stoves the last few days, I was surprised to learn that only 40% of Americans have gas stoves. That strikes me as awfully low. Of all the people I know, there is only one that does not have a gas stove, my sister in Ohio and she does have electric. Does 40% seem low to others as well? How many people here do not use a gas stove in their homes?

    I have a flat cooktop. Oldest daughter has gas and claims it is better.

    Ask a chef. They have generally demanded gas cooktops.

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    It’s like they are trying to funnel everyone onto the single centrally controlled and managed “electric grid.”

    All the better to manage “rolling blackouts.”

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  12. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    In this debate over gas stoves the last few days, I was surprised to learn that only 40% of Americans have gas stoves. That strikes me as awfully low. Of all the people I know, there is only one that does not have a gas stove, my sister in Ohio and she does have electric. Does 40% seem low to others as well? How many people here do not use a gas stove in their homes?

    I don’t have statistics one way or another, but here’s one anecdote.  Since 1976 (when my parents built the home I spent most of my childhood in), I’ve lived in 10 different houses or apartments in Virginia or Pennsylvania.  Only one of those had a gas stove (a very old one that actually didn’t work great).  The rest had either the old spiral elements or the flat glass-top electric stoves.  As someone who loves to cook, I would love to get a good gas stove, but regrettably, our home is not connected to natural gas, so I’ll just have to wait for now.

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  13. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    I agree with your conclusion, Doc, that a ban on gas stoves is a bad idea, but I disagree with your reasoning.

    Part of the problem may be a poor justification presented by the short quote from Trumka cited by Cooke. The short portion of Cooke’s article that I could read due to the paywall — just the first paragraph or two — did not include the quoted portion, and was a pretty weak argument under existing Commerce Clause jurisprudence. (Though that jurisprudence is subject to question, but doing so would undermine a great many federal laws and would, I expect, lead to the prompt adoption of a broader version of the Commerce Clause by Constitutional amendment.)

    Back to the main point, though. Trumka is quoted as saying: “products that can’t be made safe can be banned.” That’s a bit unsophisticated, but is a pretty good point. To put it better, one might say that “products that can’t be made reasonably safe can be banned.”

    This has long been the law in our country, and I think that it is very reasonable.

    The “reasonably” part of the current rule is important, because it implies a cost-benefit analysis. I can’t think of any product that is completely safe. Even water can drown you. However, some products are unreasonably dangerous and can, and have, been banned. Things like 3-wheel ATVs (I think), lawn darts, and many explosives. (Though in the case of explosives, I think that they are still available but controlled.)

    Look at your own example about airbags. Do you know what is banned? Cars without airbags. Because they are not reasonably safe, given the state of technology.

    So I don’t think that it’s a very good, or sophisticated, argument to simply say that trying to ban gas stoves is “tyrannical” and to make references to the Soviet Union.

    Gas stoves do present some danger, but I think that it’s a reasonable danger. They’ve been widely used for decades, have benefits over electric and other options, and the risk is fairly small.

    I do have a suspicion that the proposed ban has more to do with climate alarmism than with safety.

    The other thing that I just don’t know is the extent of the supposedly proposed ban which, based on Cooke’s phrasing — “the Biden administration’s reported desire to institute a nationwide ban on gas stoves” — doesn’t even appear to have been proposed in writing yet. What if it is just a phase-in, prohibiting the sale of new gas stoves, which is how such changes are almost always implemented? Then it won’t affect your kitchen.

    I still think that it’s a stupid idea, and agree with you about that.

     

     

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  14. Old Bathos Member
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    Never go full retard. 

    -Kirk Lazurus, Tropic Thunder (2008)

    The sheer mediocrity of the Biden administration from top to bottom is stunning. America has gone Full Retard and you never go Full Retard.

    The sudden discovery of risk for a technology that has been successfully managed for two centuries, the mind-boggling costs involved, the total lack of research, preparation, coalition-building, or messaging…  This is not even substantive enough to be characterized as incompetence.  

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  15. Justin Other Lawyer Coolidge
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Never go full retard.

    -Kirk Lazurus, Tropic Thunder (2008)

    The sheer mediocrity of the Biden administration from top to bottom is stunning. America has gone Full Retard and you never go Full Retard.

    The sudden discovery of risk for a technology that has been successfully managed for two centuries, the mind-boggling costs involved, the total lack of research, preparation, coalition-building, or messaging… This is not even substantive enough to be characterized as incompetence.

    This almost sounds like the idea is dumb enough not to merit a response.  But Jerry said that’s a dumb thing to say, so…

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  16. Percival Thatcher
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    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Never go full retard.

    -Kirk Lazurus, Tropic Thunder (2008)

    The sheer mediocrity of the Biden administration from top to bottom is stunning. America has gone Full Retard and you never go Full Retard.

    The sudden discovery of risk for a technology that has been successfully managed for two centuries, the mind-boggling costs involved, the total lack of research, preparation, coalition-building, or messaging… This is not even substantive enough to be characterized as incompetence.

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  17. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Justin Other Lawyer (View Comment):

    Old Bathos (View Comment):

    Never go full retard.

    -Kirk Lazurus, Tropic Thunder (2008)

    The sheer mediocrity of the Biden administration from top to bottom is stunning. America has gone Full Retard and you never go Full Retard.

    The sudden discovery of risk for a technology that has been successfully managed for two centuries, the mind-boggling costs involved, the total lack of research, preparation, coalition-building, or messaging… This is not even substantive enough to be characterized as incompetence.

    This almost sounds like the idea is dumb enough not to merit a response. But Jerry said that’s a dumb thing to say, so…

    I think Jerry still believes that we have a good and moral government.

    I think our government is evil. I think the U.S. Government is anti-American.

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  18. Joker Member
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    So put a sticker on it. 

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  19. Bishop Wash Member
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    Manny (View Comment):

    In this debate over gas stoves the last few days, I was surprised to learn that only 40% of Americans have gas stoves. That strikes me as awfully low. Of all the people I know, there is only one that does not have a gas stove, my sister in Ohio and she does have electric. Does 40% seem low to others as well? How many people here do not use a gas stove in their homes?

    Although it’s on our list of things to change in the kitchen. I think there’s a line behind the stove because there’s a capped line in the laundry room for a dryer. Haven’t pulled the stove out to verify because a gas stove isn’t a priority now but this might change it.

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    If you are forced to have electric, I think it’s kind of nice to have an induction cookplate to augment. 50% faster and 80% cheaper. It’s better for some things, but not everything. If you have gas, the only advantage is it comes with a timer.

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  21. Henry Castaigne Member
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    We never should have let dumb people vote. The average man is incapable of maintaining democracy. As Lee Kwan Yew said,

    You’re talking about Rwanda or Bangladesh, or Cambodia, or the Philippines. They’ve got democracy … But have you got a civilized life to lead? People want economic development first and foremost. The leaders may talk something else. You take a poll of any people. What is it they want? The right to write an editorial as you like? They want homes, medicine, jobs, schools.

    As it has been observed that higher I.Q. people tend to believe in capitalism, more I hypothesize that you need to have an I.Q. of around 105 to understand that capitalism works. Lee Kuan Yew and Domisa Moyo are right that democracy can lead to economic and political tyranny with a corrupt or ignorant majority. 

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  22. Henry Castaigne Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    Suspira (View Comment):

    If this ban actually comes about, will we have to quit saying “Now we’re cooking with gas.” What can replace this phrase? “Now we’re heating with solar”?

    “Now we’re running on farts?” Excuse my crudeness.

    Not just any farts! Unicorn farts!

    That’s discriminatory against Chinese unicorns who don’t fart. 

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  23. RufusRJones Member
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    Lee Kwan Yew is definitely a good source for perspective. That’s a Confucian culture or whatever you call it, so you can’t exactly do what they did in Singapore.

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  24. Henry Castaigne Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    r a technology that has been successfully managed for two centuries, the mind-boggling costs involved, the total lack of research, preparation, coalition-building, or messaging…  This is not even su

    Where does Confucius come out as a competent authoritarian? Would he have accepted the feudal lord’s rule had he lived in modern times? 

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  25. RufusRJones Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):
    r a technology that has been successfully managed for two centuries, the mind-boggling costs involved, the total lack of research, preparation, coalition-building, or messaging… This is not even su

    Where does Confucius come out as a competent authoritarian? Would he have accepted the feudal lord’s rule had he lived in modern times?

    You know more about this than me.

    My only point is it’s worth studying that guy and there is no way in hell you can do what they did in Singapore in many places.

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  26. cdor Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    The Federal Government has no business doing this, any more than it had with lightbulbs.

    Apparently, for some, if it is legal is is OK.

    That is morally, and ethically wrong.

    I don’t care what the laws say, I don’t care what the Supreme Court has said. The Constitution most certainly was not written to give the Federal Government these level of powers.

    They should not have them, even though they do.

    Right and Wrong transcend the courts.

    When George W. Bush and his Republican congress banned incandescent light bulbs, I bought a gross (144) of 100-watt incandescent bulbs. I still have about 75 or 80 of them. First, the ban only lasted about a year, and second, LED bulbs became so good, with the ability to dim and choose the warmth of the color and the length of time that they last and the inexpensive initial cost and the lower cost of use, I don’t even want to use those incandescent bulbs. I don’t see that happening with gas ranges. I much prefer cooking with my gas cooktop. But way back in the mid-1050’s when my parents built a new house, my mother installed electric ovens in her new kitchen because they baked with more even heat, but she still used a gas cooktop. 

    In any event, gas cooking has been around for over two centuries. Mr. Trumpka better have some real hard data as to how many serious injuries are directly the result of gas ranges relative to how many millions have been in use. Do people really want this kind of a nanny government? I find it thoroughly disgusting.

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  27. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    cdor (View Comment):
    Do people really want this kind of a nanny government? I find it thoroughly disgusting.

    Yes. Some people really do.

    I know, I don’t get it either.

    I have friends who love this kind of stuff, BECAUSE SCIENCE! (Whether it’s actual science or pseudoscience doesn’t matter. If they wave the wand of science over it, it’s been blessed. Particularly if the goal is to SAVE THE PLANET! They’re a pair of college profs with the proscribed One Child, who is being raised to also worship The Science.

    They soak in this stuff all day. I don’t know if they know of any other way to think.)

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):
    They soak in this stuff all day. I don’t know if they know of any other way to think.)

    That’s what I see. 

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  29. RufusRJones Member
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  30. Vance Richards Inactive
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    So, they are concerned about our lungs? With cigarettes they just added a label. And now I see governors actively encouraging pot smoking because they want the revenue.

    I don’t believe this has anything to do with healthy lungs. This is part of a larger war on natural gas. New York’s governor is trying to ban gas hook ups to any new construction, so no gas heat, stove, or back up generator. Natural gas is clean, efficient, and readily available. Just a few years ago, natural gas was being promoted as the clean alternative by the very same environmentalists who want to ban it now. Evidently, natural gas is a (insert scary music) “fossil fuel” and thus always bad. Electricity has no carbon footprint at the point of use, never mind about how that electricity gets generated (in most cases thru gas and coal) just pretend it is better.

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