An Outbreak of Maturity in the House

 

Both sides in the Speaker Wars are stepping back from the brink and making things right, which is necessary for House Republicans to work together to fight back against the Democrats’ destructive plans.

Matt Gaetz forgave Mike Rogers on national television for lunging at him on the floor between the 14th and 15th rounds of voting for the Speaker. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gaetz-forgives-rogers-heated-exchange-speaker-chaos

And Mike Rogers said he regretted his actions. Both men agreed that they would have a good working relationship on the Armed Services Committee going forward.

Dan Crenshaw apologized for calling the Rebels terrorists, although he reiterated his criticism. https://www.dailywire.com/news/dan-crenshaw-walks-back-terrorist-comment-against-gop-house-members

Andy Biggs congratulated McCarthy on his win. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/holdout-biggs-silver-lining-speaker-battle

Jim Jordan defended the “messy” process as the way the Founders intended it. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jordan-sometimes-democracys-messy-defense-speaker-chaos

Chip Roy is trying to get leaders of both parties together to discuss the debt limit+. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/we-will-use-the-tools-of-the-house-roy-warns-mccarthy-debt-ceiling-negotiations

The factions in the Republican Party can get more done if they work together, even while standing firm in their convictions, so I’m encouraged by this.

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  1. Arahant Member
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    Steve Fast: The factions in the Republican party can get more done if they work together, even while standing firm in their convictions, so I’m encouraged by this.

    Yeah, about that. Have they ever let you down before?

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    I think that men in particular hate to apologize. So even if they did it for show, it’s a good sign!

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  3. Vance Richards Member
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    People need to get better at debating. It is possible to have strong disagreements without name calling. 

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  4. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    People need to get better at debating. It is possible to have strong disagreements without name calling.

    I found the name calling to be enlightening.  Now I know where everybody stands.

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  5. Bunsen Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I think that men in particular hate to apologize. So even if they did it for show, it’s a good sign!

    The fact that they did it publicly is huge.  The “we spoke privately and worked it out” crap is just that crap.

    Let’s see how things go today for the Rules discussion.  

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  6. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    This isn’t the first time that Crenshaw has done things like thus. I used to like and admire him, but someone else calls him Dan “McCain” Crenshaw and another Eyepatch McCain and I think it fits. I don’t live in his district, but I’d never vote for him again after this. Especially as his “apology” is the, if anyone was offended I’m sorry sort which isn’t an apology at all. I mean look at these quotes:

    Look, things get heated and things get said. Obviously, to people who took offense by that, it’s pretty obvious that it’s meant as a turn of phrase

    Really, a turn of phrase?  I could see calling them bomb throwers, THAT is a turn of phrase, but not terrorists. Then he also says

    I’ve got pretty thick skin. I’m called awful, vile things by the very same wing of the party that I was fighting at that moment. So I was a little taken aback by the sensitivity of it. But to the extent that I have colleagues that were offended by it, I sincerely apologize to them. I don’t want them to think I actually believe they’re terrorists. It’s clearly a turn of phrase that you use in an intransigent negotiation

    Ah, so then he goes with the, we’ll they started it excuse. They called me bad names and I took it so why are they upset when I called them terrorists and enemies?

    Is this the same guy who became a national figure when Pete Davidson made a bad joke about his eyepatch and mustache on SNL? Who got Davidson to apologize and ribbed him on SNL and made a deal about how we don’t have to insult each other?  Turns out it was hogwash after all. Crenshaw took advantage of Davidson’s off color joke, or more correctly the reaction to it to make a name for himself. A week after his joke Davidson, sitting next to Crenshaw said:

    I made a joke about Lieutenant Commander Dan Crenshaw, and on behalf of the show and myself, I apologize,” said Davidson. He later added: “I mean this from the bottom of my heart. It was a poor choice of words. The man is a war hero, and he deserves all the respect in the world.

    But that supposedly heartfelt apology wasn’t so heartfelt.

    I made fun of this guy with an eye patch and then I kind of got forced to apologize ‘cause like people were threatening to shoot me in the face,” Davidson said, noting that his mother was among the group of people urging him to make amends in light of the death threats.

    I did not make that guy win. That is America’s fault.” Davidson said. “The only thing I did do, which I am guilty of and I apologize for, is I did make that guy famous and a household name for no reason

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    I will know that we are united when folks stop using the slur of the “uniparty.”

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  8. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I will know that we are united when folks stop using the slur of the “uniparty.”

    Or calling other Republicans a “Nut Brigade,”which you did in the past week, Gary.

    I also don’t think that “uniparty” is a slur.  It seems an apt description for the group consisting of Democrats and those who say that they are Republicans while doing thing like voting for Democrats.

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  9. Flicker Coolidge
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    I will know that we are united [meaning AS ONE] when folks stop using the slur of the “uniparty [meaning AS ONE PARTY].”

    What EDOC.

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  10. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I will know that we are united when folks stop using the slur of the “uniparty.”

    I don’t want to unite with commies and people selling out America.  I want to eliminate them.

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I will know that we are united when folks stop using the slur of the “uniparty.”

    Or calling other Republicans a “Nut Brigade,”which you did in the past week, Gary.

    I also don’t think that “uniparty” is a slur. It seems an apt description for the group consisting of Democrats and those who say that they are Republicans while doing thing like voting for Democrats.

    For goodness sake dammit.  When are you and Hoyacon going to stop beating me up over that?  Today?  Tomorrow?  Next year?  Never?

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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I will know that we are united when folks stop using the slur of the “uniparty.”

    Or calling other Republicans a “Nut Brigade,”which you did in the past week, Gary.

    I also don’t think that “uniparty” is a slur. It seems an apt description for the group consisting of Democrats and those who say that they are Republicans while doing thing like voting for Democrats.

    For goodness sake dammit. When are you and Hoyacon going to stop beating me up over that? Today? Tomorrow? Next year? Never?

    Can I get in on it?

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  13. Arahant Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Never?

    That’s the one.

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  14. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I will know that we are united when folks stop using the slur of the “uniparty.”

    Or calling other Republicans a “Nut Brigade,”which you did in the past week, Gary.

    I also don’t think that “uniparty” is a slur. It seems an apt description for the group consisting of Democrats and those who say that they are Republicans while doing thing like voting for Democrats.

    For goodness sake dammit. When are you and Hoyacon going to stop beating me up over that? Today? Tomorrow? Next year? Never?

    I missed all the action, but did you apologize for calling Repubs a “Nut Brigade”? If not, then “never” is a reasonable expectation. 

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  15. Steve Fast Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Steve Fast: The factions in the Republican party can get more done if they work together, even while standing firm in their convictions, so I’m encouraged by this.

    Yeah, about that. Have they ever let you down before?

    Yes, but not yesterday when they were all being men of character and doing what was right.

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  16. Steve Fast Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I will know that we are united when folks stop using the slur of the “uniparty.”

    Or calling other Republicans a “Nut Brigade,”which you did in the past week, Gary.

    I also don’t think that “uniparty” is a slur. It seems an apt description for the group consisting of Democrats and those who say that they are Republicans while doing thing like voting for Democrats.

    For goodness sake dammit. When are you and Hoyacon going to stop beating me up over that? Today? Tomorrow? Next year? Never?

    When you stop caring about it.

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  17. BDB Coolidge
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    I’m good with most of it.  Crenshaw can still get bent.  As Bunsen points out, this is his M.O.  And him pretending to be surprised about our “sensitivity” at being called terrorists, Taliban, insurrectionists, and saboteurs by “our side” is laughable.  Those terms have become ill-defined invitations to real consequences.

    Crenshaw is welcome to contribute by shutting up and voting right.

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  18. Steve Fast Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    I’m good with ost of it. Crenshaw can still get bent. As Bunsen points out, this is his M.O. And him pretending to be surprised about our “sensitivity” at being called terrorists, Taliban, insurrectionists, and saboteurs by “our side” is laughable. Those terms have become ill-defined invitations to real consequences.

    Crenshaw is welcome to contribute by shutting up and voting right.

    Crenshaw was not selected chairman of the Homeland Security committee. I wonder how much his intemperate remarks had to do with that.

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  19. Django Member
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    I’m good with ost of it. Crenshaw can still get bent. As Bunsen points out, this is his M.O. And him pretending to be surprised about our “sensitivity” at being called terrorists, Taliban, insurrectionists, and saboteurs by “our side” is laughable. Those terms have become ill-defined invitations to real consequences.

    Crenshaw is welcome to contribute by shutting up and voting right.

    Crenshaw was not selected chairman of the Homeland Security committee. I wonder how much his intemperate remarks had to do with that.

    Dan Crenshaw Loses Bid to Lead Top House Committee (townhall.com)

    Sounds like the guy who beat him is pretty impressive. 

     

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  20. Steve Fast Coolidge
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    Especially as his “apology” is the, if anyone was offended I’m sorry sort which isn’t an apology at all. I mean look at these quotes:

    Look, things get heated and things get said. Obviously, to people who took offense by that, it’s pretty obvious that it’s meant as a turn of phrase

    Really, a turn of phrase? I could see calling them bomb throwers, THAT is a turn of phrase, but not terrorists. Then he also says

    I’ve got pretty thick skin. I’m called awful, vile things by the very same wing of the party that I was fighting at that moment. So I was a little taken aback by the sensitivity of it. But to the extent that I have colleagues that were offended by it, I sincerely apologize to them. I don’t want them to think I actually believe they’re terrorists. It’s clearly a turn of phrase that you use in an intransigent negotiation

    Ah, so then he goes with the, we’ll they started it excuse. They called me bad names and I took it so why are they upset when I called them terrorists and enemies?

    You’re absolutely right. His apology was not of the “heartfelt” variety. Maybe he just went through the motions and said the words. But at least he did the right thing.

    I was also very disappointed in him during the Speaker Wars. If he doesn’t learn to control his tongue, it will hurt his career in politics.

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  21. Steve Fast Coolidge
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    Now Mike Rogers, who tried to attack Gaetz on the floor, is stepping down from the steering committee. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/mike-rogers-stepping-down-steering-committee-report

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    I was also very disappointed in him during the Speaker Wars. If he doesn’t learn to control his tongue, it will hurt his career in politics.

    It wouldn’t be the first time his comments have gotten him into trouble.

    He seems to have a short fuse. “Eyepatch McCain” would seem to fit.

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  23. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    I was also very disappointed in him during the Speaker Wars. If he doesn’t learn to control his tongue, it will hurt his career in politics.

    It wouldn’t be the first time his comments have gotten him into trouble.

    He seems to have a short fuse. “Eyepatch McCain” would seem to fit.

    Crenshaw, I will hazard a viewpoint, seems to me a bit like Davy Crockett, who went after Jackson (under whom he had been forced at gunpoint to murder Native Americans) with great vituperation, and when he lost his seat from Tennessee (likely due to his clashes with Jackson) he left Congress with the immortal line:  You can all go to Hell and I will go to Texas. 

    Pretty clear Davy did not get the better of that trade off, but did become an historic immortal because of it. Maybe Crenshaw could pull off a similar trick? 

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  24. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    Crenshaw, I will hazard a viewpoint, seems to me a bit like Davy Crockett, who went after Jackson (under whom he had been forced at gunpoint to murder Native Americans) with great vituperation, and when he lost his seat from Tennessee (likely due to his clashes with Jackson) he left Congress with the immortal line:  You can all go to Hell and I will go to Texas. 

    I thought Kelly Johnson said that.

     

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  25. BDB Coolidge
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    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Steve Fast (View Comment):

    I was also very disappointed in him during the Speaker Wars. If he doesn’t learn to control his tongue, it will hurt his career in politics.

    It wouldn’t be the first time his comments have gotten him into trouble.

    He seems to have a short fuse. “Eyepatch McCain” would seem to fit.

    Crenshaw, I will hazard a viewpoint, seems to me a bit like Davy Crockett, who went after Jackson (under whom he had been forced at gunpoint to murder Native Americans) with great vituperation, and when he lost his seat from Tennessee (likely due to his clashes with Jackson) he left Congress with the immortal line: You can all go to Hell and I will go to Texas.

    Pretty clear Davy did not get the better of that trade off, but did become an historic immortal because of it. Maybe Crenshaw could pull off a similar trick?

    My precioussss!

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  26. GFHandle Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I will know that we are united when folks stop using the slur of the “uniparty.”

    Or calling other Republicans a “Nut Brigade,”which you did in the past week, Gary.

    I also don’t think that “uniparty” is a slur. It seems an apt description for the group consisting of Democrats and those who say that they are Republicans while doing thing like voting for Democrats.

    For goodness sake dammit. When are you and Hoyacon going to stop beating me up over that? Today? Tomorrow? Next year? Never?

    I missed all the action, but did you apologize for calling Repubs a “Nut Brigade”? If not, then “never” is a reasonable expectation.

    I guess you’ll have to start beating up on me since I too believe there is a nut brigrade within the Republican Party. You mean that you don’t?

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  27. Django Member
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    GFHandle (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I will know that we are united when folks stop using the slur of the “uniparty.”

    Or calling other Republicans a “Nut Brigade,”which you did in the past week, Gary.

    I also don’t think that “uniparty” is a slur. It seems an apt description for the group consisting of Democrats and those who say that they are Republicans while doing thing like voting for Democrats.

    For goodness sake dammit. When are you and Hoyacon going to stop beating me up over that? Today? Tomorrow? Next year? Never?

    I missed all the action, but did you apologize for calling Repubs a “Nut Brigade”? If not, then “never” is a reasonable expectation.

    I guess you’ll have to start beating up on me since I too believe there is a nut brigrade within the Republican Party. You mean that you don’t?

    I won’t be beating up in either of you because you’re not worth the effort. 

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  28. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):
    I missed all the action, but did you apologize for calling Repubs a “Nut Brigade”? If not, then “never” is a reasonable expectation. 

    If you took a survey of Americans, there is probably 1 or 2 in a 1000 that consider a rule allowing time for reading of spending bills before voting a “nut brigade” idea. 

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  29. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):
    He seems to have a short fuse. “Eyepatch McCain” would seem to fit.

    That and he never saw a country he didn’t want to invade.   He is the best friend of the for-profit war industry in Congress.

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  30. Flicker Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Nanocelt TheContrarian (View Comment):
    Crenshaw, I will hazard a viewpoint, seems to me a bit like Davy Crockett, who went after Jackson (under whom he had been forced at gunpoint to murder Native Americans) with great vituperation, and when he lost his seat from Tennessee (likely due to his clashes with Jackson) he left Congress with the immortal line: You can all go to Hell and I will go to Texas.

    I thought Kelly Johnson said that.

    Kelly who?

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