Knowles Interviews Boebert: Context and History of Speaker Fight

 

This interview of Rep. Lauren Boebert (below) is the most cogent explanation I have heard for the anti-McCarthy position. I’ll spoil a bit of it for you: last summer, McCarthy thought there would be far more Republicans, and that he would have enough squish votes to run over the conservatives, so he ignored their concerns.  Remember conservatives trying to get a platform out of GOP leadership last year, but they were too smart for all of that? “Red wave!” Then the election came, and Republicans eked out a bare majority in the House and a loss in the Senate. Ouch.

On Monday, the House Freedom Caucus (HFC) whipped votes all day (canvassed the Republicans, negotiating to solidify a platform). In the afternoon or evening, Boebert and Co. approached McCarthy with a list of 218 YES votes for him, provided that he assent to a list of initiatives.  These were mostly promises to hold a series of votes on specific issues.

This list was less ambitious than Gingrich’s wildly successful Contract With America. Another thing was some accountability, including the return of the one-member Motion to Vacate. One member? Shocking! Nope — that’s how Jefferson wrote it. It’s not a one-finger “eject” button for the Speaker’s chair, for crying out loud. It just allows filing a motion.

There’s more — watch the whole thing, as it’s only 13 minutes long.  Yes, this is the pro-regular order, anti-McCarthy side of the story. Heaven knows we are all hearing the pro-McCarthy argument on every channel.

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  1. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    BY THE WAY…

    If this Speaker fight breaks for conservatives, it could help loosen the Big Money death-grip on the House.  More thoughts on that some other time.

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  2. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    This is good. Thank you for posting it.

    McCarthy’s candidacy is dead.

     

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  3. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    This is good. Thank you for posting it.

    McCarthy’s candidacy is dead.

     

    I’ve been bouncing around the web — you may even deserve the h/t for this one too.  Or maybe I got the link from the glorious (but toxic) PDW asylum.  No telling.

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  4. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    Also, a good history lesson there. I’d forgotten that McCarthy couldn’t seal before, and that’s how Paul Ryan became the compromise choice.

    Looks like he can’t seal the deal this time either. And he’s getting petulant about it.

    He’s done in Washington. Even if he finally gets his dream position, it’ll be a Pyrrhic victory.

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  5. WI Con Member
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    @WICon

    With each additional long form interview I see with members of Group of 20 (Chip Roy, Matt Gaetz, L. Boebert), the more respect I gain of them and the more reasonable they seem. I posited when this first started that McCarthy was acting as though ‘they’d come around’ (like all GOP voters do), just ‘lay back and think of Reagan’. He’s moving in to Pelosi’s old office without securing the votes or even agreeing to their demands – cocky. 

    I think we’ve been getting a whole lot of spin & leaking from long-time GOP pundits, center-Right media streams along with the predictable MSM media and the GOP Leadership. Recall how it was all about 5 members/holdouts and the night before the first vote, it jumped up to 20? They were spinning Big Time. 

    I think he may been done and that we’ll see a trickle, then large defection. Why not get someone better? I owe nothing to him or any other politician.

     

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  6. Jimmy Carter Member
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    @JimmyCarter

    Watch it.

    Thank You, BDB.

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  7. Phil Turmel Coolidge
    Phil Turmel
    @PhilTurmel

    I found it helpful, too.

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  8. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @SusanQuinn

    BDB: Last Summer McCarthy thought there would be far more Republicans, and that he would have enough squish votes to run over the conservatives, so he ignored their concerns. 

    Now that is a fascinating premise and makes a certain kind of (sick) sense.

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    WI Con (View Comment):

    With each additional long form interview I see with members of Group of 20 (Chip Roy, Matt Gaetz, L. Boebert), the more respect I gain of them and the more reasonable they seem.

    Yep. I’ve heard from several of them now, and it seems that McCarthy is quite a snake. He was sure he wouldn’t need them — just like he was sure the GOP didn’t need an agenda in order to sweep the House — and then suddenly he discovers that he can’t get the votes. (Gosh, fella. I guess you should have worked harder to get some of your fellow Republicans elected, eh? Or did Ronna spend all that money on shopping sprees and spa visits?) So now instead of deal-making, he just demands to be given the job.

    Guy? Deal-making is the job. If you can’t make deals within your own party, you’re going to be rolled by the Dems. And that’s why you’re getting opposition.

     

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  10. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Eleventh ballot done — still not speaker.

    Tee-hee!

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  11. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    Don Bacon is worried that it’s “bad, bad for the GOP brand!”

    Don, what is the GOP brand? What does it stand for? Anyone know!?

    But actually, does anyone really care about the GOP brand? I care about America, and I’ll support whoever helps return it to the original factory settings.

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  12. Barfly Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):
    He was sure he wouldn’t need them — just like he was sure the GOP didn’t need an agenda in order to sweep the House

    I made up my mind about McCarthy back around Halloween. Before that interview I hadn’t watched him closely. What a windbag.

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  13. JoelB Member
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    @JoelB

    Republican citizens are like Lincoln during the early days of the Civil War. We need generals who will fight. Trump did and we were glad he did. He might have been taken down permanently, or maybe not, but we need others who can continue the fight. It has been said “It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog” . (To mix a couple of metaphors) Twenty representatives are making a difference. Win or lose, at least they are trying, which is more than I have seen coming out of Washington for quite a while now.

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  14. BDB Coolidge
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    I know how to get McCarthy elected.

    First, we’re going to need anonymous drop-box voting, preferably for several weeks.  We’ll need mail-in voting as well, and some friendly courts to arbitrarily change postmarking requirements on the fly.  Finally, for any members voting in person, those ballots will be counted until a presumptive winner emerges.  If it’s not McCarthy, then we stop counting in public but continue in private.  Somehow, it will just work. 

    You’re welcome.

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  15. BDB Coolidge
    BDB
    @BDB

    Evict, Remove, Bar from Office (that he’s been holed up in before he’s even given the position)

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  16. Bob Thompson Member
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    Every time I see Boebert I’m impressed. The one thing I still wonder about is how many will never vote for McCarthy because of the trust issue. Of the 20 or so consistent no votes, some are on trust, some are on rules, and some are on policy. McCarthy may yet be able to get there if that trust number is five or less.

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  17. Western Chauvinist Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    I know how to get McCarthy elected.

    First, we’re going to need anonymous drop-box voting, preferably for several weeks. We’ll need mail-in voting as well, and some friendly courts to arbitrarily change postmarking requirements on the fly. Finally, for any members voting in person, those ballots will be counted until a presumptive winner emerges. If it’s not McCarthy, then we stop counting in public but continue in private. Somehow, it will just work.

    You’re welcome.

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  18. Western Chauvinist Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Evict, Remove, Bar from Office (that he’s been holed up in before he’s even given the position)

    And that one, too.

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  19. Steve Fast Coolidge
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    Fantastic interview. I wish Boebert represented my district.

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  20. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oik
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Some more context:

    In an interview with NTD, Bob Good announced that he and a handful of other Republican holdouts would continue challenging Kevin McCarthy’s bid for House speaker. As of this writing, McCarthy has lost the vote for speaker nearly a dozen times.

    “Kevin McCarthy needs to drop out, he needs to do what’s best for the country, what’s best for the Congress, what’s best for the Republican conference,” Good said. “We’ll drag this out as long as we need to. It’s worth spending a few days or even a couple of weeks to get a speaker that we’re going to have to live with,” he added. “And the country cannot afford someone like Kevin McCarthy as speaker and we’re determined not to let that happen for the good of the country.”

    . . .

    First, Good argued that no one defends McCarthy on merit because no one can. “When McCarthy was last majority leader, every single major spending bill he negotiated that he helped pass was done with a majority of Democrat votes and a minority of Republican votes,” he said. Good was referring to the period of Republican federal trifecta that began in 2017 and ended in 2019.

    Good is right: despite GOP control of the House, Senate, and White House, every major budget bill passed with McCarthy as floor leader did so with more support from Democrats than Republicans.

    That matters now, Good said, because the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling is an opportunity “to leverage true spending cuts, to leverage to get a secure border, to leverage ending the vaccine mandates, to leverage against the weaponization of the federal government against its citizens,” and so on. “What would tell you that Kevin McCarthy is the person to fight for that?”

    Based on his record, nothing.

    More good stuff at the link above.

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  21. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Also, a good history lesson there. I’d forgotten that McCarthy couldn’t seal before, and that’s how Paul Ryan became the compromise choice.

    Looks like he can’t seal the deal this time either. And he’s getting petulant about it.

    He’s done in Washington. Even if he finally gets his dream position, it’ll be a Pyrrhic victory.

    Interestingly, I had heard this (inability to seal the deal last time around too) recently and STILL didn’t remember it.  I have just realized that this is part of why networks like Fox shout and argue so much — it’s so you don’t remember what doubleplusbadthink guests even said!

    This may be the first interview she’s had since this thing blew up in which she hasn’t been interrupted, talked over, shouted down and so forth — and that’s just watching Fox clips!  Hannity is on the way out the blackwater pipe these days, and the whole Fox edifice is taking hits from the conservative side of the Republican party.  This Speaker fight is opening a lot of eyes.  I’ve been lukewarm on Gaetz until this week, when I finally saw him speaking at some length instead of being packaged by the jerk media.  Gaetz is making good points, and seems to be taking the very stand that I like to think I would be taking given the opportunity!

    Big Conservative Inc. may get taken down a peg in this process, which would be GREAT, as they are not very conservative.  Jonah Goldberg is out there ridiculing the idea of an “establishment” and calling us a bunch of fart-sniffers for it on national TV.  Look, I’m not above that sort of rhetoric, but I’m not on national TV!  I will not miss that dude — he hasn’t done anything I liked since he wrote Liberal Fascism, which I am now afraid to re-read.  Did I just not see it?

    “Judge” Jeannninnne (bqhatevewr Pirro “ripped!” Boebert on her own segment of some shouty-shouty Fox show.  Well Pirro is a damned fruitbat to begin with.  Anybody can criticize Biden — congratulations “Judge”.  Now what about when people actually want to change business-as-usual GOP shenanigans and OH BY THE WAY get Congress back to regular order?

    Man, if I keep this rant up, I’ll just have to write another post.

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  22. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    Second, Good said during the segment that he has never seen such “an anger, and an intensity, and a toughness” in the Republican conference directed at “Democrats who are ruining the country” the way he’s witnessed first-hand those things aimed at the rebels in Congress. That sounds about right.

    Dan Crenshaw, rumored to have been incubated in the same GOP Petri dish as Paul Ryan, practically had a mental breakdown on television as he railed against the holdouts, twitching with rage beneath a petulant scowl like a bearded child. It seems we’re stuck with Liz Cheney, after all.

    More to the point, Good made an important observation, even if he didn’t draw the most important conclusion from it, which is that Republicans, under the status quo, punch harder to the right than the left. That is something those claiming we need to give McCarthy the speakership, no questions asked, don’t care to consider: it is impossible to issue a meaningful challenge to the left under these conditions. It’s also deeply ironic that the same people clutching their pearls at a few wily officeholders insist that they are all that prevents Republicans from ushering in Armageddon upon the “Biden regime,” if only Mad Dog McCarthy would be unleashed.

    . . .

    Matt Rosendale, a Republican rebel from Montana, said that he had participated in more constructive discussion and debate over the last three days on the floor than he had for the last two years. “We cannot restore a functioning legislative body under current rules and leadership,” he said.

    Maybe that means replacing McCarthy, or perhaps it will mean strapping him to a chair and having him sign his name in blood on a piece of parchment bound to his soul—if he hasn’t already sold it—that enumerates meaningful concessions. How this will end is yet to be determined, but it is the first time in a very long time that anyone in this country has tried to send a message to the powerful and hold their golden loafers to the fire, and that is, as they say, what democracy looks like.

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  23. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    @DrewInWisconsin

    BDB (View Comment):
    Big Conservative Inc. may get taken down a peg in this process, which would be GREAT, as they are not very conservative.  Jonah Goldberg is out there ridiculing the idea of an “establishment” and calling us a bunch of fart-sniffers for it on national TV.  Look, I’m not above that sort of rhetoric, but I’m not on national TV!  I will not miss that dude — he hasn’t done anything I liked since he wrote Liberal Fascism, which I am now afraid to re-read.  Did I just not see it?

    I think the deal was that the Uniparty threat hadn’t been fully revealed yet. So a whole bunch of Conservatism, Inc. could cosplay as conservatives, and it was an easy sell. Just say the right words, and everyone would agree, and the books would sell, even if nobody ever moved the ball for our team in the end. Say the right words. Hawk your book on Fox News. Rake in the cash.

    But the Obama years helped clarify things, and then the Trump years brought everything into clear focus. Pretty words weren’t enough. This was a fight. So whose side are you on? And Conservatism, Inc. picked the side of the Uniparty rather than the people.

    By the way, I like that we have members of Congress now using the term “Uniparty.” It also helps clarify things.

    Watch for “The Conservative Case for the Globalist Uniparty” coming to a New York Times opinion page near you.

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  24. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Some more context:

    In an interview with NTD, Bob Good announced that he and a handful of other Republican holdouts would continue challenging Kevin McCarthy’s bid for House speaker. As of this writing, McCarthy has lost the vote for speaker nearly a dozen times.

    “Kevin McCarthy needs to drop out, he needs to do what’s best for the country, what’s best for the Congress, what’s best for the Republican conference,” Good said. “We’ll drag this out as long as we need to. It’s worth spending a few days or even a couple of weeks to get a speaker that we’re going to have to live with,” he added. “And the country cannot afford someone like Kevin McCarthy as speaker and we’re determined not to let that happen for the good of the country.”

    . . .

    First, Good argued that no one defends McCarthy on merit because no one can. “When McCarthy was last majority leader, every single major spending bill he negotiated that he helped pass was done with a majority of Democrat votes and a minority of Republican votes,” he said. Good was referring to the period of Republican federal trifecta that began in 2017 and ended in 2019.

    Good is right: despite GOP control of the House, Senate, and White House, every major budget bill passed with McCarthy as floor leader did so with more support from Democrats than Republicans.

    That matters now, Good said, because the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling is an opportunity “to leverage true spending cuts, to leverage to get a secure border, to leverage ending the vaccine mandates, to leverage against the weaponization of the federal government against its citizens,” and so on. “What would tell you that Kevin McCarthy is the person to fight for that?”

    Based on his record, nothing.

    More good stuff at the link above.

    Yup, that whole article is a keeper.  I know why 20 people can have such impact while the whole government in GOP hands could not: they didn’t want to.

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  25. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    More context:

     

     

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  26. E. Kent Golding Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):
    Also, a good history lesson there. I’d forgotten that McCarthy couldn’t seal before, and that’s how Paul Ryan became the compromise choice.

    Maybe this will result in a Paul Ryan this time also….

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  27. American Abroad Thatcher
    American Abroad
    @AmericanAbroad

    This was a great interview, and I think she was very successful at articulating her principled opposition to McCarthy as Speaker.  I had a gut feeling that the Freedom Caucus was right, but now I have a better understanding of the reasons for their opposition.

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  28. David C. Broussard Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Some more context:

    In an interview with NTD, Bob Good announced that he and a handful of other Republican holdouts would continue challenging Kevin McCarthy’s bid for House speaker. As of this writing, McCarthy has lost the vote for speaker nearly a dozen times.

    “Kevin McCarthy needs to drop out, he needs to do what’s best for the country, what’s best for the Congress, what’s best for the Republican conference,” Good said. “We’ll drag this out as long as we need to. It’s worth spending a few days or even a couple of weeks to get a speaker that we’re going to have to live with,” he added. “And the country cannot afford someone like Kevin McCarthy as speaker and we’re determined not to let that happen for the good of the country.”

    . . .

    First, Good argued that no one defends McCarthy on merit because no one can. “When McCarthy was last majority leader, every single major spending bill he negotiated that he helped pass was done with a majority of Democrat votes and a minority of Republican votes,” he said. Good was referring to the period of Republican federal trifecta that began in 2017 and ended in 2019.

    Good is right: despite GOP control of the House, Senate, and White House, every major budget bill passed with McCarthy as floor leader did so with more support from Democrats than Republicans.

    That matters now, Good said, because the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling is an opportunity “to leverage true spending cuts, to leverage to get a secure border, to leverage ending the vaccine mandates, to leverage against the weaponization of the federal government against its citizens,” and so on. “What would tell you that Kevin McCarthy is the person to fight for that?”

    Based on his record, nothing.

    More good stuff at the link above.

    Yup, that whole article is a keeper. I know why 20 people can have such impact while the whole government in GOP hands could not: they didn’t want to.

    The propaganda arm is out in force now. My Father In Law was a big Trump supporter and yesterday he told me that these 20 were holding up the GOP and they needed to knuckle under. So, all he is seeing on OAN and Fox is opinion that is in support of McCarthy. 

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  29. Ole Summers Member
    Ole Summers
    @OleSummers

    She and Chip Roy have been crystal clear in everything I have heard them – where they were actually allowed to express themselves – and make great cases for the real, substantive strides needed to return us to a path toward being a republic and away from the D.C. centered mess we have evolved into. This is a hill to fight on.

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  30. Western Chauvinist Member
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    David C. Broussard (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Some more context:

    In an interview with NTD, Bob Good announced that he and a handful of other Republican holdouts would continue challenging Kevin McCarthy’s bid for House speaker. As of this writing, McCarthy has lost the vote for speaker nearly a dozen times.

    “Kevin McCarthy needs to drop out, he needs to do what’s best for the country, what’s best for the Congress, what’s best for the Republican conference,” Good said. “We’ll drag this out as long as we need to. It’s worth spending a few days or even a couple of weeks to get a speaker that we’re going to have to live with,” he added. “And the country cannot afford someone like Kevin McCarthy as speaker and we’re determined not to let that happen for the good of the country.”

    . . .

    First, Good argued that no one defends McCarthy on merit because no one can. “When McCarthy was last majority leader, every single major spending bill he negotiated that he helped pass was done with a majority of Democrat votes and a minority of Republican votes,” he said. Good was referring to the period of Republican federal trifecta that began in 2017 and ended in 2019.

    Good is right: despite GOP control of the House, Senate, and White House, every major budget bill passed with McCarthy as floor leader did so with more support from Democrats than Republicans.

    That matters now, Good said, because the upcoming battle over the debt ceiling is an opportunity “to leverage true spending cuts, to leverage to get a secure border, to leverage ending the vaccine mandates, to leverage against the weaponization of the federal government against its citizens,” and so on. “What would tell you that Kevin McCarthy is the person to fight for that?”

    Based on his record, nothing.

    More good stuff at the link above.

    Yup, that whole article is a keeper. I know why 20 people can have such impact while the whole government in GOP hands could not: they didn’t want to.

    The propaganda arm is out in force now. My Father In Law was a big Trump supporter and yesterday he told me that these 20 were holding up the GOP and they needed to knuckle under. So, all he is seeing on OAN and Fox is opinion that is in support of McCarthy.

    The gaslighting is strong — if the Freedom Caucus doesn’t get behind McCarthy, it’s the end of the Republican caucus. No, it’s the end of the Republican party! No, no, it’s the end of the republic!!! 

    Where have we heard that before? 

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