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Why Is There Chaos in the House?
I’m pretty tired of this issue already, but yesterday Liz Peek at Fox News put out the most clarifying explanation about why this is happening. I don’t think the situation has changed much in the last 24 hours. She makes this point that I think we all agree with:
The midterm elections delivered an unmistakable message: voters are not buying what the GOP is selling.
Some say voters have no idea what Republicans stand for.
That would be me.
Peek goes on to list the demands of those voting against McCarthy, and those demands are not unreasonable. In fact, McCarthy is unreasonable not to agree. To his credit, he has made concessions.
McCarthy opponents cause House chaos but raise valuable objections – Republican Party needs a reboot
This is the best information I have seen.
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Great article with real news. There is not much discussion of the actual issues.
Coincidentally, I’ve asked that very question in a couple recent threads. “What does the GOP stand for?”
Nobody’s responded.
Which means I’m being shadowbanned, or nobody has a good answer.
Because there is chaos in the country.
Pretty sure most of its members of Congress have said they’re for all the demands made in the article at one time or another. Maybe one of them didn’t, the one that leads the Senate. Think he’d be backed into a corner by a “balanced budget in ten years” pledge? Pshaw.
Even if McConnell is still above ground in ten years, I doubt he’d still be in the Senate then.
Because the GOP doesn’t really represent its voters.
Dude, McConnell will have his ashes sent to the gavel manufacturer and put into every presiding instrument the august body will ever use. I’m sure he has something on the factory owner by now.
One vote for Trump on the eighth ballot. We are getting there.
The leadership chose to run on nothing, which is not “selling” anything.
This whole thing should have been resolved BEFORE they started voting. If Kevin McCarthy could count, he could have seen that he was short of 218 votes, so he either needed to compromise or withdraw. He had two months from the November election to get this figured out. He was the Chief Deputy Whip and Majority Whip for 6 years, so this should be in his wheelhouse.
The 20 rebels have not budged in 8 votes. Does McCarthy think that they will finally cave on the 9th?
So the guy running for speaker either can’t count votes or doesn’t have the sense to stop wasting everyone’s time.
Once the Trump votes pass 10 that will be the tipping point for McCarthy.
Paging freedom caucus!
Sadly, no one smokes cigars anymore.
Anybody remember this book from 2010? The last 12 years of GOP leadership has been a disaster.
Sadly true. However, the Democrats have apparently been drinking on the House floor, and they managed to unite behind one candidate. Maybe the Republicans should try drinking and see what happens.
May not be a good idea, since they could unite behind the Democrat.
That’s why the Russians consider it impolite for you not to drink with them. They want to know what you really think.
Oh goody, now we’re going to vote #10.
This could be the round that puts McCarthy over the top – just kidding.
Reports that McCarthy had given in and agreed to the demands of the conservative bloc have been refuted by other reports saying those claims have all come from McCarthy’s side, so I guess that latter, if true, indicates McCarthy has made no firm commitments nor put anything in writing. Stalemate continues.
Even if in writing, he wouldn’t be bound to follow them.
It seems that our Republican members of Congress have little idea of what Republicans stand for. (You pedants, please excuse the dangling participle.)
Too often we see promising conservatives morph into status quo swamp dwellers. Sad.
IIRC, the new House must, once they have a Speaker, convene to vote on the Rules that will apply to this Congress. It takes a majority to approve the Rules.
And there was a report that McCarthy had presented the list of Rules that he would present, many of which are on the desired list of the 20. But if he can’t whip up the votes needed to elect himself Speaker, who is to say that his list of Rules would not also get pared way back by TPTB and their donors if they might impede the go-along status-quo crowd?
Regular order for appropriations bills? Where’s the pork opportunity in that?
A minimum time to review a bill before voting? That’ so yesterday. Etc.
Tucker yesterday said something like this intransigence for McCarthy is showing the bared fangs of the donor class and their chosen one, McCarthy. Sounds logical to me.
I am still trying to understand why it is considered chaotic. I think that pre-arranged outcomes are phony, unless they represent the fruits of good faith negotiation.
This isn’t that.
It is a learning experience for me. Kevin is making the Hillary argument. Vote for him because it is his turn to be speaker. Nothing more. Kevin thinks that is good enough.
Newt had a much better argument in his day. He had “The Contract for America”.
Kevin has what? Investigation roulette? How about some consequences for the rogue government agencies trashing civil liberties? How about agreeing with the “Defund the Police” crowd (a little) and start with the Federal Bureau of Instigation (no relation).
Seriously, Kevin? You don’t know that you can’t win? You didn’t game this out ahead of time? Just gonna squat in Nancy’s old abode and wait for Sean Hannity to browbeat the recalcitrant house members into voting for you?
Truthfully, as a voter, I certainly do not have enough information about the deal on the table to make an informed decision about how I would like the standouts to vote.
What I do like is seeing GOPe sweat. I like them being faced with uncertainty. Good for the House Freedom Caucus. Good for America.
Come on Kevin! Lets see your deal making chops. Or show us your petulant side.
Each vote they take proves more and more that Kevin is not worthy.
Pick someone who is.
Or pick Trump, either choice is good for me.
Truthfully, I’d prefer Trump – if that happened I would divest of all of my online entertainment just to watch that play out. Too bad there isn’t enough popcorn in Iowa.
He could start by addressing the questions VDH asks here.
Excerpt:
Surely he’ll win with vote #11.
ELEVEN!
Ro Khanna, the Democrat representative of California’s 17th congressional district, said that he is open to supporting a moderate Republican for Speaker and then proceeded to name the names of 3 Republican members of Congress whom he could support for Speaker.
Khanna also said that while no other House Democrats have said what he has said publicly, he knows that many agree with him privately because they don’t want a House led by Kevin McCarthy while McCarthy is beholden to “the far right.”
Khanna said that, “Right now this is a Republican mess. But pretty soon this will be a mess for the United States of America and we need to be ready to support a moderate Republican for Speaker.”
This tells me the Democrats feel that McCarthy could be forced out and a MORE conservative option will emerge.
Heh. As if.
Now imagine Democrats voting to approve McCarthy, giving us a Speaker of the House who is beholden to the Democrats.
Seems like a much worse place to be. (Seems like a place we’ve already been, also.)
Or maybe he won’t.
Either way, don’t call him Shirley!