Doctors Fight to Save the Bus

 

The behemoth that is modern corporate medicine tends to turn slowly. When the pivot eventually begins, it is a messy situation. Imagine a bus making a U-turn on a crowded street that it should never have gone down in the first place.

The turning is already beginning if you’re paying attention. Dr. Aseem Malhotra, a British cardiologist, has been very vocal about his opposition to the covid vaccines, in part due to the death of his father, which he blames on the shot. He is no stranger to controversy; his book titled A Statin Free Life probably cost him his invitation to the cool kid’s cardiologist club. Prior to his father’s passing and subsequent further investigation of the mRNA vaccines, he was a proponent of the products. More conversion stories like his are needed because one interesting thing about medicine is it can only correct itself. If The Lancet, for example, publishes a bunch of false data, then only the Lancet can set the record straight. Anyone outside of the Lancet that points out that same data is spreading misinformation.

In the states, Dr. Peter McCullough was also outspoken but consistent this whole time. An early advocate of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, his head was first on the chopping block. Baylor University Medical Center, where he had hung his hat since 2014, would disown him and go so far as to file suit against him to prevent him from claiming any association with the institution. Those are the actions of a teaching hospital in Texas, which illustrates the extent of institutional capture by this lunacy. His most recent published paper, a report on myocarditis adverse events, was initially approved for publication but quickly withdrawn by the publisher. Dr. McCullough has fought back with a lawsuit against the publisher Elsevier. He has accused them of censorship for the removal of the article. His co-author Jessica Rose, an immunologist and biochemist, has stated that the removal of the article is unheard of and in breach of contract.

American converts include Dr. Vinay Prasad, a physician from California whose greatest crime is advocating for a more open debate on both sides. Dr. Leana Wen, CNN’s medical analyst, perhaps most famous for her comments about barring the unvaccinated from polite society, just recently called for the removal of mandates. Dr. Drew of “Loveline” fame and still the host of a very popular YouTube show, has gone from defending Dr. Fauci to interviewing Dr. Ryan Cole, a forensic pathologist making waves by describing some very disturbing blood clots he believes are related to the covid vaccines. To his credit, Dr. Drew has been open about his own vaccinations and adverse events associated with them.

While some riders have jumped up and attempted to turn the bus before it goes over the cliff completely (maybe it already has), there are still numerous voices from the back telling them to sit down and shut up. Dr. Fauci clearly has no regrets, and his likely successor Dr. Peter Hotez continues to advocate for the covid vaccines across all age groups. Dr. Hotez even goes a little further, claiming that upwards of 40,000 unvaccinated Texans are dead due to anti-vax grifters (excellent band name). Dr. David Gorski, a surgical oncologist, describes Dr. Prasad as “at best, a useful idiot for antivax propagandists.” The idea that anyone questioning medicine has no place in medicine is still a popular point of view for many.

What we have here is a good, old-fashioned doctor fight; these are nothing new but, in the past, were less public and less consequential. The stakes are higher than ever before. It’s not like we are arguing over how aggressive statin therapy should be or which blood pressure medicine is most appropriate. Instead, each of these sides is accusing the other of outright harm by professional negligence to be as polite as possible. “Safe and effective” may be long gone but “safe enough to get away with” is still on the table. Things have gone off course before and, if history proves one thing, it takes time to resolve.

Oxycontin came to the market in December of 1995; almost a decade later Barry Meier, a journalist, began investigating Purdue Pharma and Oxycontin. In 2006, Purdue executives would pay $634 million in fines. Fast forward another decade, and by 2015, much more of their nefarious web of marketing including 20,000 educational pain programs was revealed. Big surprise, these organizations advocated and promoted more aggressive identification and treatment of pain pushing people towards their drugs. It was remarkably easy for them to saturate the conversation with their propaganda. It’s been 27 years and they are still settling lawsuits over that debacle.

There was a point when cigarettes were thought of as healthy and relaxing. You could argue that RJ Reynolds and their Medical Relations Division were pioneers when it came to controlling the medical establishment. The 1942 American Medical Association convention featured a smoking lounge for doctors to relax and socialize; by 1947, hundreds of doctors were lining up to receive a free pack of smokes. Much like today, suspiciously biased studies were conducted to make the case that Camels were the healthiest cigarette. One study claimed that Camels burned slower than other brands and thus exposed the smoker to less nicotine. Their most egregious marketing campaign would claim that all doctors preferred Camels, however, with the FTC beginning to crack down, they would change the wording from “all doctors” to “113,597 surveyed physicians.” The party would finally come to an end in 1964 with the Surgeon General’s report on smoking and health.

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Further reading and references:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/surgeon-generals-1964-report-making-smoking-history-201401106970
https://beardyhistory.com/2021/02/28/healthy-cigarettes-advertising/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1470496/
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/dr-vinay-prasad-echoes-the-common-antivax-trope-of-portraying-a-desire-not-to-catch-a-deadly-disease-as-irrational-and-mental-illness/
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/dr-mccullough-sues-medical-journal-for-refusing-to-publish-papers-showing-covid-shot-risks-in-children/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0146280621002267?via%3Dihub 

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  1. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    ‘Twas ever thus. Somewhere, Ignaz Semmelweis is shaking his head.

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  2. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    I see the FDA is now claiming that they never told people that could not use Ivermectin for Covid.   The only said to stop taking horse paste.  The FDA recommends and the states mandate or ban things based on the recommendation.  Then afterwards both blame the other.  Oopsie!     Big Pharma and their $100Billion advertising/lobbying budget is very powerful.   More powerful than the collective ethics of America’s doctors. 

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  3. Annefy Member
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    My only experience (tangential) with a Covid death.  A (now) friend’s husband had Covid. She called a mutual friend, who prescribed ivermectin.  She was afraid to give it to him because of the press; he died after going to the hospital and being administered remdisevir. 

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  4. OmegaPaladin Moderator
    OmegaPaladin
    @OmegaPaladin

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    I see the FDA is now claiming that they never told people that could not use Ivermectin for Covid. The only said to stop taking horse paste. The FDA recommends and the states mandate or ban things based on the recommendation. Then afterwards both blame the other. Oopsie! Big Pharma and their $100Billion advertising/lobbying budget is very powerful. More powerful than the collective ethics of America’s doctors.

    There was a very clear statement that all ivermectin treatment was horse paste.  This was a lie.

    I’ll be honest, and say I am not 100% persuaded of the efficacy of HC/AZ/ZN or ivermectin.  What did bother me was the massive clampdown on any discussion of alternative measures.   This was rolled out specifically on these claims, not on crazier alternative medicine claims that can kill you like amygdalin and chlorine dioxide.

    Public health workers never encouraged exercise or general fitness, despite knowing this would help with both coronavirus and non-coronavirus mortality.  Same with vitamin D, which had solid research showing a connection between vitamin D deficiency and adverse outcomes (and you have people forced to stay out of sunlight)

    I feel like a police officer forced to watch Uvalde on repeat.  Public health professionals could have saved lives, but they just did not care enough.

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  5. Quietpi Member
    Quietpi
    @Quietpi

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    I’ll be honest, and say I am not 100% persuaded of the efficacy of HC/AZ/ZN or ivermectin.

    Ya, sort of.  I went ‘n’ took a course in statistics when I went to thet ther collage thing, and I’m keenly aware of the lack of validity of one person’s observations, especially when based mainly on narrative information from non-medical persons.  HOWEVER, the stories related to me are so darn consistent.  

    Also, there isn’t really that much difference between friends who have taken ivermectin (I do not know anybody who took the other possible therapeutic drugs) and those who did nothing at all.  Except possibly in the aftereffects, which I realize now I didn’t question my friends about.  Doing that now.  

    A few days ago I talked to an old friend whom I haven’t seen for some time.  He and his wife are anti-vax.  They both have a few comorbidities, his being heart – related.  About four weeks ago now they both contracted Covid for the first time.  She didn’t do anything about it for the first day, then tested positive.  He decided to test himself, though his symptoms, of they even were symptoms, were hardly noticeable.  Positive.  He went to their PCP – in Texas.  Doc said he would be happy to prescribe ivermectin, but said first he had to tell my friend that they are being told that ivermectin is ineffective.  My friend got the prescriptions.  

    Both started feeling better within a few hours.  He was symptom – free, to the extent that he had symptoms at all, within 48 hours.  She was symptom – free a day later.  

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  6. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    Quietpi (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    I’ll be honest, and say I am not 100% persuaded of the efficacy of HC/AZ/ZN or ivermectin.

    Ya, sort of. I went ‘n’ took a course in statistics when I went to thet ther collage thing, and I’m keenly aware of the lack of validity of one person’s observations, especially when based mainly on narrative information from non-medical persons. HOWEVER, the stories related to me are so darn consistent.

    Also, there isn’t really that much difference between friends who have taken ivermectin (I do not know anybody who took the other possible therapeutic drugs) and those who did nothing at all. Except possibly in the aftereffects, which I realize now I didn’t question my friends about. Doing that now.

    A few days ago I talked to an old friend whom I haven’t seen for some time. He and his wife are anti-vax. They both have a few comorbidities, his being heart – related. About four weeks ago now they both contracted Covid for the first time. She didn’t do anything about it for the first day, then tested positive. He decided to test himself, though his symptoms, of they even were symptoms, were hardly noticeable. Positive. He went to their PCP – in Texas. Doc said he would be happy to prescribe ivermectin, but said first he had to tell my friend that they are being told that ivermectin is ineffective. My friend got the prescriptions.

    Both started feeling better within a few hours. He was symptom – free, to the extent that he had symptoms at all, within 48 hours. She was symptom – free a day later.

    See? It didn’t work.

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  7. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    JacobHyatt: There was a point when cigarettes were thought of as healthy and relaxing. You could argue that RJ Reynolds and their Medical Relations Division were pioneers when it came to controlling the medical establishment. The 1942 American Medical Association convention featured a smoking lounge for doctors to relax and socialize, by 1947 hundreds of doctors were lining up to receive a free pack of smokes. Much like today suspiciously biased studies were conducted to make the case that Camels were the healthiest cigarette. One study claimed that camels burned slower than other brands and thus exposed the smoker to less nicotine. Their most egregious marketing campaign would claim that all doctors preferred Camels, however with the FTC beginning to crack down they would change the wording from “all doctors” to “113,597 surveyed physicians”. The party would finally come to an end in 1964 with the surgeon general’s report on smoking and health. 

    You should watch some of the old TV commercials and look at old magazine ads.  They’re a hoot!

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  8. Old Bathos Member
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    @OldBathos

    Much of the misinformation with COVID was similar to MDs endorsing cigarettes–a matter of shaking one’s credentials in others’ faces in lieu of even minimal research and adherence to data-based inferences.  And instead of a check from the RJ Reynolds or Philip Morris one gets to keep one’s research funding or not get fired from clinical practice or academia as government, media and corporations enjoy their new fascist embrace.

    By the summer of 2020, I realized that, like some other obsessive bloggers, I had read more journal articles and had a better handle on the behavior of respiratory viruses than Anthony Fauci and certainly more than the blithering Dr. Birx. That is scary.  Scott Atlas reported in his book at being stunned that he was the only one at White House task force meetings who was actually doing research and who had a handle on why suppression strategies were costly failures. More importantly, real experts like the Great Barrington Declaration folks were being censored by people whose grasp of the issue was limited to whatever headlines Yahoo News had regurgitated.  Kevin Roche (healthy-skeptic.com) was delivering gold almost daily with an incredible volume of studies and data while policy (outside of Florida) was being made by buffoons.

    But as legions of minor league activist bozos with MDs were spouting garbage, the media was propping up the king of the bozo posers himself, Tony “The Science” Fauci.

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  9. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    I’ll be honest, and say I am not 100% persuaded of the efficacy of HC/AZ/ZN or ivermectin.  What did bother me was the massive clampdown on any discussion of alternative measures.

    And medically it was a very easy decision.  Take Ivermectin (the safest supplement in history) and have possible benefit or do nothing and wait for a ventilator.  The smart thing would have been to mandate the use of Ivermectin rather than the risky jab.  But that didn’t happen, because the entire medical industrial complex is corrupt.  The Hippocratic oath is a joke.

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Stad (View Comment):

    JacobHyatt: There was a point when cigarettes were thought of as healthy and relaxing. You could argue that RJ Reynolds and their Medical Relations Division were pioneers when it came to controlling the medical establishment. The 1942 American Medical Association convention featured a smoking lounge for doctors to relax and socialize, by 1947 hundreds of doctors were lining up to receive a free pack of smokes. Much like today suspiciously biased studies were conducted to make the case that Camels were the healthiest cigarette. One study claimed that camels burned slower than other brands and thus exposed the smoker to less nicotine. Their most egregious marketing campaign would claim that all doctors preferred Camels, however with the FTC beginning to crack down they would change the wording from “all doctors” to “113,597 surveyed physicians”. The party would finally come to an end in 1964 with the surgeon general’s report on smoking and health.

    You should watch some of the old TV commercials and look at old magazine ads. They’re a hoot!

    It’s all good, but the most relevant part:

     

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  11. Chris O Coolidge
    Chris O
    @ChrisO

    Excellent post, by chance this piece was in my inbox today, further illuminating the mindset of some or many in the medical community: “The Reason There’s Been No Cure for Alzheimer’s”.

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  12. Mad Gerald Coolidge
    Mad Gerald
    @Jose

    Cui bono?

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Mad Gerald (View Comment):

    Cui bono?

    Sonny and Cher’s other kid?

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  14. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    I’ll be honest, and say I am not 100% persuaded of the efficacy of HC/AZ/ZN or ivermectin. What did bother me was the massive clampdown on any discussion of alternative measures.

    And medically it was a very easy decision. Take Ivermectin (the safest supplement in history) and have possible benefit or do nothing and wait for a ventilator. The smart thing would have been to mandate the use of Ivermectin rather than the risky jab. But that didn’t happen, because the entire medical industrial complex is corrupt. The Hippocratic oath is a joke.

    Where is the evidence that ivermectin is the safest medication?   Also, vaccines are preventative, not a treatment.  It would be better to compare vaccines to vitamins or other preventative measures.  The comparison for ivermectin is remdisivir or immune globulin.

    Side note:  We keep on pendulum swinging between over and under medication with opiates.   I don’t think OxyContin is the real problem

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  15. JacobHyatt Coolidge
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    I see the FDA is now claiming that they never told people that could not use Ivermectin for Covid. The only said to stop taking horse paste. The FDA recommends and the states mandate or ban things based on the recommendation. Then afterwards both blame the other. Oopsie! Big Pharma and their $100Billion advertising/lobbying budget is very powerful. More powerful than the collective ethics of America’s doctors.

    There was a very clear statement that all ivermectin treatment was horse paste. This was a lie.

    I’ll be honest, and say I am not 100% persuaded of the efficacy of HC/AZ/ZN or ivermectin. What did bother me was the massive clampdown on any discussion of alternative measures. This was rolled out specifically on these claims, not on crazier alternative medicine claims that can kill you like amygdalin and chlorine dioxide.

    Public health workers never encouraged exercise or general fitness, despite knowing this would help with both coronavirus and non-coronavirus mortality. Same with vitamin D, which had solid research showing a connection between vitamin D deficiency and adverse outcomes (and you have people forced to stay out of sunlight)

    I feel like a police officer forced to watch Uvalde on repeat. Public health professionals could have saved lives, but they just did not care enough.

    Felt the same way no great evidence.  When I did catch covid a few months back I decided to have a personal Experiment.  Took 44mg of ivermectin daily for 4 days and that was all I took .  Felt much better in 24 hours.  Im a bigger guy so this was actually a lower dose then what im seeing prescribed but they were leftover and going to go to waste otherwise.

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  16. The Reticulator Member
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    Chris O (View Comment):

    Excellent post, by chance this piece was in my inbox today, further illuminating the mindset of some or many in the medical community: “The Reason There’s Been No Cure for Alzheimer’s”.

    The strategy faced a major hurdle. Ten of the 11 members of an FDA advisory committee, noting there was not enough evidence to say that the drug slowed cognitive decline, voted against its approval. Then, to push the drug through the process, FDA leadership switched the criterion for approval to demonstrating a reduction in amyloid deposits. The agency then okayed what came to be marketed as Aduhelm, calling it in a press release “the first therapy that targets the fundamental pathophysiology of the disease.” At that point, three appalled members of the advisory committee quit.

    Harvard Medical School professor Aaron Kesselheim, one of the departing advisory committee members, told the acting FDA commissioner in his resignation letter that the agency’s nod to aducanumab was “probably the worst drug approval decision in recent U.S. history.”

    In late December, a damning congressional investigation into Aduhelm found that the interactions between the FDA and Biogen were “atypical” and that the regulator and the drug manufacturer “inappropriately collaborated” during the process. It published documents from Biogen showing the company priced the intravenous drug at a staggering $56,000 per patient per year in order to “make history” with a “blockbuster” drug launch. It would have been historic indeed, as the investigation shows. Picking up that tab for Aduhelm would have been ruinous both for the budget of Medicare and for many individual patients forced to cover the co-pay. 

    Sounds similar to the approval process for the latest vaccine booster for all ages:   Lack of testing for efficacy, Advisory committee members having their votes ignored, inappropriate collaboration between regulator and regulatee.  The only thing different in this case is that there is no mention of the Biden administration putting pressure on the regulators to do the approval.  (Which is not to say it didn’t happen here, too.) 

    Just to be sure I’m not misunderstood: I plan to get the latest vaccine booster, though not just yet.  But I’m not a male between the ages of 6 and 30, either. 

     

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  17. MarciN Member
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    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    Side note:  We keep on pendulum swinging between over and under medication with opiates.   I don’t think OxyContin is the real problem

    I’m glad you said this. I agree. I don’t think it is either.

     

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  18. Chris O Coolidge
    Chris O
    @ChrisO

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    Just to be sure I’m not misunderstood: I plan to get the latest vaccine booster, though not just yet.  But I’m not a male between the ages of 6 and 30, either. 

    Given the decline in efficacy, why? Your biking will do more to prevent infection than that booster.

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  19. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Chris O (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    Just to be sure I’m not misunderstood: I plan to get the latest vaccine booster, though not just yet. But I’m not a male between the ages of 6 and 30, either.

    Given the decline in efficacy, why? Your biking will do more to prevent infection than that booster.

    I thought everyone (except perhaps the Biden administration) agreed that the vaccine was no longer much good at preventing infection.  My bicycling isn’t either, for that matter. But it still is very effective, according to the latest data I’ve heard about.  14x less chance of disease severe enough to require hospitalization, for example.  Similar to the efficacy of some of the flu vaccines, perhaps.  

    The vaccine booster still might have some efficacy against infection in the first weeks after taking it, in that it will boost antibody levels. But that is imperfect and it doesn’t last.  My original vaccine and booster still have produced long-lasting B- and T-cells that protect against severe disease, though.  So have most people’s covid infections, for that matter, if they’ve already had covid.  Or perhaps even better, a combo of the two, though that’s hard to even measure nowadays. 

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  20. Quietpi Member
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    @Quietpi

    Percival (View Comment):
    See? It didn’t work.

    Update as I’m checking with my ivermectin friends:  None of them suffered any of the classic aftereffects – profound weakness and loss of taste and smell.  Plus the fact that every one of them reported feeling better within hours of the first dose.  

    And this:  some time ago, at least a year, my friend’s son-in-law became very ill with Covid.  He was supposed to have been hospitalized, but there were no beds available.  His wife found an out-of-state doctor who would write the Rx, and a local pharmacy who said if she got the Rx, they would fill it.  Her husband began to improve within hours of the first dose, and quickly recovered.  I do not know about aftereffects in that case.  And once again I point out that this is third – person narrative from a non-medical person.  This experience is what convinced my friend and his wife to take ivermectin when their turn came.

    Yesterday I had my teeth cleaned, and the conversation turned to Covid.  The hygienist reported that she works in two offices, and both of them had office – wide encounters.  She began to experience symptoms, tested positive, and immediately took ivermectin.  She started feeling better right away, and after a day or so she was symptom – free.  No aftereffects.

     

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Quietpi (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):
    See? It didn’t work.

    Update as I’m checking with my ivermectin friends: None of them suffered any of the classic aftereffects – profound weakness and loss of taste and smell. Plus the fact that every one of them reported feeling better within hours of the first dose.

    And this: some time ago, at least a year, my friend’s son-in-law became very ill with Covid. He was supposed to have been hospitalized, but there were no beds available. His wife found an out-of-state doctor who would write the Rx, and a local pharmacy who said if she got the Rx, they would fill it. Her husband began to improve within hours of the first dose, and quickly recovered. I do not know about aftereffects in that case. And once again I point out that this is third – person narrative from a non-medical person. This experience is what convinced my friend and his wife to take ivermectin when their turn came.

    Yesterday I had my teeth cleaned, and the conversation turned to Covid. The hygienist reported that she works in two offices, and both of them had office – wide encounters. She began to experience symptoms, tested positive, and immediately took ivermectin. She started feeling better right away, and after a day or so she was symptom – free. No aftereffects.

     

    Off to re-education with all of you!

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  22. Flicker Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Percival (View Comment):

    Quietpi (View Comment):

    OmegaPaladin (View Comment):
    I’ll be honest, and say I am not 100% persuaded of the efficacy of HC/AZ/ZN or ivermectin.

    Ya, sort of. I went ‘n’ took a course in statistics when I went to thet ther collage thing, and I’m keenly aware of the lack of validity of one person’s observations, especially when based mainly on narrative information from non-medical persons. HOWEVER, the stories related to me are so darn consistent.

    Also, there isn’t really that much difference between friends who have taken ivermectin (I do not know anybody who took the other possible therapeutic drugs) and those who did nothing at all. Except possibly in the aftereffects, which I realize now I didn’t question my friends about. Doing that now.

    A few days ago I talked to an old friend whom I haven’t seen for some time. He and his wife are anti-vax. They both have a few comorbidities, his being heart – related. About four weeks ago now they both contracted Covid for the first time. She didn’t do anything about it for the first day, then tested positive. He decided to test himself, though his symptoms, of they even were symptoms, were hardly noticeable. Positive. He went to their PCP – in Texas. Doc said he would be happy to prescribe ivermectin, but said first he had to tell my friend that they are being told that ivermectin is ineffective. My friend got the prescriptions.

    Both started feeling better within a few hours. He was symptom – free, to the extent that he had symptoms at all, within 48 hours. She was symptom – free a day later.

    See? It didn’t work.

    But they’re now strong as a horse.

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  23. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    @DonG

    I take omeprazole for reflux.   I have taken it for a long time.   It is cheap ($5/month), generic, and it works great.  One day my doctor switched my prescription to Zegerid, which is omeprazole with a dash of baking soda added.  It is patented and costs $1300/month.   A 26000% increase!   The pharma company combined a long generic drug with a 300 year old “drug” to make something with undetectable improvements and doctors prescribe it, because they don’t know and don’t care much things cost and some leggy pharma-rep gave them a few samples and coupon for Olive Garden.   That is how the American medical industry works. 

    Kunstler says, the world’s doctors owe the world’s patients an apology.  

     

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  24. Annefy Member
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    @Annefy

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    I take omeprazole for reflux. I have taken it for a long time. It is cheap ($5/month), generic, and it works great. One day my doctor switched my prescription to Zegerid, which is omeprazole with a dash of baking soda added. It is patented and costs $1300/month. A 26000% increase! The pharma company combined a long generic drug with a 300 year old “drug” to make something with undetectable improvements and doctors prescribe it, because they don’t know and don’t care much things cost and some leggy pharma-rep gave them a few samples and coupon for Olive Garden. That is how the American medical industry works.

    Kunstler says, the world’s doctors owe the world’s patients an apology.

     

    It’s stories like this (and God knows there’s millions of them) that makes me roll my eyes and laugh ruefully whenever someone said “ask your doctor”. About anything, but especially about the vax.

    Doctors have not covered themselves in glory for years; these past couple of years they’ve been a disgrace. I’ve watched medical interventions (two babies in the past year who would have died without modern medical practices not that long ago) in gratitude and wonder.

    But as for the day to day, my doctor doesn’t have any more special insight than me about me. 

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  25. Chris O Coolidge
    Chris O
    @ChrisO

    We (wife and I) took a homemade recipe for hydroxychloroquine before Christmas 2021, made essentially by stewing different fruit rinds and consuming the resultant liquid. Seemed questionable to me, but the wife went ahead so I did too. We were symptom free within 24 hours, or she was, I took another half day.

    I had a possible infection around Thanksgiving time this past year that I would describe as a low-energy feeling, but that is all. Could have just been a cold, but these are the only times we’ve been ill in the past few years, so probably something with more punch. Non-vax, age 49 if that is relevant. 

    We never tested so who knows? That’s about as anecdotal as it gets, but that’s the story.

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  26. Flicker Coolidge
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    @Flicker

    Chris O (View Comment):

    We (wife and I) took a homemade recipe for hydroxychloroquine before Christmas 2021, made essentially by stewing different fruit rinds and consuming the resultant liquid. Seemed questionable to me, but the wife went ahead so I did too. We were symptom free within 24 hours, or she was, I took another half day.

    I had a possible infection around Thanksgiving time this past year that I would describe as a low-energy feeling, but that is all. Could have just been a cold, but these are the only times we’ve been ill in the past few years, so probably something with more punch. Non-vax, age 49 if that is relevant.

    We never tested so who knows? That’s about as anecdotal as it gets, but that’s the story.

    Can you include the recipe for the HCQ here?

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  27. Chris O Coolidge
    Chris O
    @ChrisO

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Can you include the recipe for the HCQ here?

    This looks right: https://www.simplyandnaturally.com/hydroxychloroquine-quinine-homemade-remedy/

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  28. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Chris O (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Can you include the recipe for the HCQ here?

    This looks right: https://www.simplyandnaturally.com/hydroxychloroquine-quinine-homemade-remedy/

    Thanks.  That looks easy.

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  29. Annefy Member
    Annefy
    @Annefy

    I have a basket with vitamin D. C. Zinc. Quercetin. Per day quantities written in sharpie on lids   A printout of instructions.

    Proud to say I got three 20-something’s through  Covid. And I was out of the country. 

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  30. OmegaPaladin Moderator
    OmegaPaladin
    @OmegaPaladin

    Chris O (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Can you include the recipe for the HCQ here?

    This looks right: https://www.simplyandnaturally.com/hydroxychloroquine-quinine-homemade-remedy/

    Quinine is NOT Hydroxychloroquine!

    Quinine is naturally derived.

    Hydroxychloroquine is a synthetic compound developed in the forties.

    They are most definitely not interchangeable, and are not even that similar in structure.  In all of the discussion of HCQ usage, I have never heard a recommendation of using quinine.   Quinine has some effects not seen with HCQ, and vice versa – the only thing they have in common is being anti-malaria drugs.

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