Reflections of a Weak Society?

 

Monday night, with a little over five minutes remaining in the 1st Quarter of the Bills-Bengals game, Buffalo safety Damar Hamlin suffered cardiac arrest. He was attended by both teams’ trainers and EMTs and was transported to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center where he remains in critical condition.

The overwhelming opinion of the media and everyone connected with the game is that it could not continue and the the NFL suspended play.

Is it a sign of respect or sign of weakness?

On March 22, 1989, Steve Tuttle of the St. Louis Blues and Uwe Krupp of the Buffalo Sabres crashed into the nets and, in a freak accident, one of Tuttle’s skates cut open the neck of Sabres’ goal tender Clint Malarchuk, severing his carotid artery and partially cutting his jugular vein. Malarchuck lost a liter and half of blood. The Blues resurfaced the ice and the game was finished.

In 1940, Cincinnati Reds backup catcher Willard Herschberger committed suicide in the team’s hotel in Boston. (I wrote about his story here.) After a team meeting the Reds played the next day and completed the road trip to Brooklyn to take on the Dodgers.

The only player to die on the field during a National Football League game was Chuck Hughes of the Detroit Lions. With 1:02 left in an October 1971 game at Tiger Stadium vs the Chicago Bears, the 28-year-old wide receiver collapsed on his way back to the huddle. He was pronounced dead at Henry Ford Hospital.

Were we tougher back then or were we just terrible people?

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  1. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    During one of Sunday’s games, why did a healthy football player, Damar Hamlin, collapse right after tackling a member of the other team?

    He was not the man being tackled. (The Gateway Pundit had a video blip of the play that was involved right before this player collapsed.)

    Prior to 2021, 29 athletes a year died “unexpectedly.” According to statistician Ed Dowd, currently we are lucky if we get thru one single month without at least 29 athletes dying “unexpectedly.”

    SNIP

    Neither football players or airline pilots consume fentanyl right before being involved in their life’s work. So the argument that these deaths are due to some type of drug epidemic is not a decent one.

    So what experimental vaccine program came about during FY 2021 that had never occurred before?

    And why did my local grammar school put up a defib machine in Spring 2022, on an outside wall where students and parents could access it? This happened right before the vaxxes were made available for children.

    You put up a graphic from Gaad Saad, which read: “Every cardiac arrest is now blamed on the vaccine. Every weather event is due to climate change. Every case of autism is due to the MMR vaccine. Every terrorist named Ahmad was fighting against the Zionist occupation. Every mass shooting is due to the existence of the 2nd Amendment.”

    As far as cardiac arrest, no that is not at all the case.

    There is something statisticians use to understand any phenomena that occurs as far as numbers of incidents.

    This is called examining the “excess” numbers.

    A geologist I was friends with had garnered both positive fame and notoriety due to his noticing that there was always an excess of lost pets being reported above the norm, in local newspapers, right before an earthquake. Excess number considerations occurs across many various fields of endeavor.

    The concerns about the cardiac situation has occurred because Dr Peter McCullough, an exceptionally skillful cardiac surgeon, began to notice significant numbers of myocarditis among the 16 to 49 year old crowd. Numbers that were above the norm, especially for anyone under the age of 35.

    Statistician Ed Dowd noticed the uptick in fatalities in 2021 among the 18 to 40 plus age group – again excess numbers above the norm. (The demographic he was dealing with were well paid workers, who usually are much healthier then the slacker types).

    Yes there have always been athletes in professional sports who die unexpectedly. Again, that number was on an annual basis, around 29 individuals.

    But the steep rise in  the excess numbers of deaths among athletes from 2021 on, as compared to years prior to Jan 1st 2021,  is remarkable.

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  2. Django Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

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    I’m afraid I can’t quite bring myself to believe that whether or not a football game (FCS) is postponed or not is some sort of definitive commentary on society’s strength and robustness. Quite a few more consequential things going on, it looks like to me.

    At one time the NFL was played by the roughest, toughest Men. They loved America and celebrated Her. They also volunteered to go to war for Her.

    Now, the NFL is being infiltrated by pansies, kneelers, and chicks by force to take down the Men’s Only club.

    It most definitely is a commentary on Our society’s strength and robustness and it is showing just how weak We are becoming.

    This is pretty ridiculous. This wasn’t someone breaking a bone or tearing a ligament and being hauled off for treatment. A teammate almost dies on the field in front of you, gets CPR for 9 minutes, and you’re expected to play the game like nothing happened?

    C’mon, man.

    The NFL Canceled the Game for Damar Hamlin. It Didn’t After Chuck Hughes Died on the Field in 1971 (msn.com)

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  3. John H. Member
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    Percival (View Comment):

    It’s happened before. Commotio cordis. Note that the story is eight years old. It is very rare, and usually happens to adolescents. A story I read somewhere said the average age is 14.7. Having a defibrillator on hand would seem to be wise, because minutes count.

    That wasn’t a particularly violent collision, but you never know.

    I note with approval that no Ricochet physician has yet posted on yesterday’s affair – even if there were publicly available enough information to make a remote diagnosis, no faraway practitioner should rush in to give one – but one doc from a decade ago did mention this sort of catastrophe.

    I only ever heard of it because there was a one-page item about it in the New England Journal of Medicine, many years ago when my landlady and I subscribed to it. This was back when we’d actually read magazines. As I recall, a boy batting in a Little League game was struck in the chest by a pitched ball and collapsed. By the best luck imaginable, there were two physicians in the stands and a police car with an AED was rolling by. Competent forces instantly mobilized, and the kid was revived on the spot. 

    But I don’t remember any mention of the ballgame being postponed, or resumed.

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  4. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    During one of Sunday’s games,SNIP

    Airline pilots are collapsing in the cockpit and so far no airliner has crashed. This has been an extreme bit of good fortune …. these pilots who are collapsing unexpectedly have done so as they approach the runways. It has also been a stroke of luck that alert and competent co pilots were able to successfully take over.

    Statistics involving pilot fatalities are extremely worrisome as well. In 2020, just over one hundred US airline pilots died. (This was the height of the COV pandemic.)

    But in 2021, almost 1100 airline pilots died.

    Neither football players or airline pilots consume fentanyl right before being involved in their life’s work. Arguing that these deaths are due to some type of drug epidemic is not logical.

    So what experimental vaccine program came about during FY 2021 that had never occurred before?

    And why did my local grammar school put up a defib machine in Spring 2022, on an outside wall where students and parents could access it? This happened right before the vaxxes were made available for children.

     

    Re 1100 airline pilot fatalities. I checked and looked for the original article. Here is what it now says:

    We initially published this report after trusted sources, including a doctor and various members of the Airline Pilot Association (ALPA), sent us information showing the substantial increase in deaths in 2021. We felt it was important to get this type of information out to the public to keep with our pledge to inform the public with the best information we have.…

    kely not accurate. As such, we have asked ALPA members to provide us with a complete data set. We have now received the original publications from 2021, 2020 and 2019 and are compiling the data and analyzing. At first pass, the data shows no significant increase from 2020 to 2021. We have not looked at 2019 in full yet. While this data does not show a significant increase of deaths, it also shows that the vaccines did not reduce deaths either.

    (Emphasis theirs)

    Crikies. Stop it with the rumor and innuendo already.

     

     

    However I do have to say, and apologize, that after my first reply to you, something seemed off on my end of things.

    I do have a form of dyslexia, and it works on a subconscious level.

    1100 pilot deaths seemed very high. So did FY 2020 having 100 collapsing and dying pilots.

    The real statistics as I have recorded on my hard drive that were being reported by researchers like Berenson show this:

    A total of one hundred eleven pilots died in the first eight months of 2021.
    Comparing other years’  numbers: one pilot passed away in 2019, 6 passed away in 2020 and 111 passed away in the first nine months of 2021.

    One hundred eleven is a magnitude away from my inaccurate 1100. (To my brain, both numbers are similar.)

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  5. Hoyacon Member
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    Today’s NFL wouldn’t and shouldn’t have carried on with the game.  But these headlines are submitted for your consideration:

    Always honor the bravery of men like Damar Hamlin who play in violent NFL

    Can the NFL ever be the same after Damar Hamlin’s shocking collapse on ‘Monday Night Football’?

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  6. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    I’m glad someone posted on this because I had been wondering the same thing.  I felt that celebrating Simone Biles for withdrawing from the Olympics was a sign of societal weakness;  not that she withdrew-she had her reasons-but that she was hailed as a hero for doing so.  I did not think she should have been condemned or applauded. 

    In this case?  I think I would not have condemned the NFL had they decided to continue, but I don’t condemn them for cancelling the rest of the game either.  As with Simone Biles, I don’t applaud them either, I simply understand.  

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  7. James Salerno Inactive
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    A few thoughts. I don’t think this is similar to the Pronger incident at all.

    A hockey puck is a projectile. It’s traveling at 100 mph and striking a very small surface area. Same physics as the old Kung-Fu death strike from Bruce Lee movies. It’s quickly striking the heart at a very specific moment and knocking the rhythm out of whack. Pronger also staggers for a second before collapsing. He’s showing all the signs of a heart attack.

    A tackle is hitting with a larger surface area. It’s blunt trauma, not precision. Maybe it’s possible that the point of the shoulder could create the same conditions. But it doesn’t look that way. Hamlin also gets up as normal after the collision before completely freezing up and falling backwards. Doesn’t look the same at all. I also saw the Dennis Byrd game of 1992 (on TV) but this Hamlin incident felt different right off the bat. Something wasn’t right.

    But regardless of what happens, I dont trust the NFL to tell the truth. “The NFL investigated the NFL and found nothing wrong.” They’re going to cover for themselves whether this guy lives or dies. Because they pushed the vaccine nonsense harder than anyone. This is the same organization that allowed players to wear the names of murderers while lecturing us about ending racism.

    And what bothers me is that most of the people “sending prayers” are religion-hating nihilists. It’s fake and empty. And its only happening because this is an NFL player. Nobody cared when this was high-school athletes. But the NFL is truly the holy sacrament of American culture. I haven’t seen this many “reach across the aisle and come together” moments since the immediate aftermath of 9/11. I don’t think that’s a good reflection of our culture and how we elevate hero worship.

    I hope Hamlin recovers. But the wider context surrounding this incident is a sad reflection on our current state of affairs.

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  8. Jim McConnell Member
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    I’m afraid I can’t quite bring myself to believe that whether or not a football game (FCS) is postponed or not is some sort of definitive commentary on society’s strength and robustness. Quite a few more consequential things going on, it looks like to me.

    At one time the NFL was played by the roughest, toughest Men. They loved America and celebrated Her. They also volunteered to go to war for Her.

    Now, the NFL is being infiltrated by pansies, kneelers, and chicks by force to take down the Men’s Only club.

    It most definitely is a commentary on Our society’s strength and robustness and it is showing just how weak We are becoming.

    I wouldn’t blame the players for the cancellation; it must have been the executives checking on their social media betters.

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  9. Miffed White Male Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):
    The concerns about the cardiac situation has occurred because Dr Peter McCullough, an exceptionally skillful cardiac surgeon, began to notice significant numbers of myocarditis among the 16 to 49 year old crowd.

    I’m just curious on what basis you’ve decide he’s “exceptionally skillful”?

     

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  10. Jim McConnell Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Hearing all of these ESPN people talk about prayer, I started to wonder why they don’t stop and just do that. Turns out one guy did.

    Well done – very much appropriate.

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  11. Miffed White Male Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Not sure about this one. Didn’t watch the game and am not a football fan.

    But JY lost a dear friend five years ago whose office was next door to his.

    Lots of CPR and difib (don’t know how to spell it) waiting for the ambulance. Friend died about an hour later at the hospital.

    No way anyone was going back to work after that.

    A woman in our Finance department collapsed at work one morning a few years ago.  We have a firestation/Ambulance a few hundred yards to our South, and a full hospital and emergency room about a mile to our north.  We have multiple trained first responders and two or three AEDs scattered around the building.  Didn’t matter.  She was probably dead before she hit the floor.

    Everyone in the finance department left for the day.  The rest of us didn’t get a lot done.

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  12. Western Chauvinist Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):
    A teammate almost dies on the field in front of you

    Actually, he technically did die on the field. A 24 year old man. When your heart stops and you’re not breathing, you’re dead. Not only did he have 9 minutes of chest compressions (causing blood in the lungs), but they used a defibrillator (AED) on him! The guy was dead. It’s no wonder his teammates (and even the opposing team) were so distressed. 

    You don’t see a dead 24 year old, let alone a beloved teammate die every day.  I think they did the right thing to indefinitely postpone the game. 

     

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  13. BDB Inactive
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    I haven’t followed this — at all — but in general, it seems that if something disrupts a game so significantly, they can do like auto racing does and just call it.  Not postponed — put it in the record books with the score as it stands.

    Obviously, if this becomes predictable, it will be gamed.  Don’t ask me how, it just will.  But it’s better than ignoring something significant.

    I would say that nine minutes of CPR on the field is sufficiently distressing that there’s no “Yeah, well the med pros have him in the truck on the way to world class care so play ball” option available.

    And if a guy flat-out dies on the field, I cannot imagine playing on.  If it was done before, that does not change my opinion.  “Game of this magnitude” be damned — it’s a game.

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  14. DJ EJ Member
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    James Salerno (View Comment):

    A few thoughts. I don’t think this is similar to the Pronger incident at all.

    A hockey puck is a projectile. It’s traveling at 100 mph and striking a very small surface area. Same physics as the old Kung-Fu death strike from Bruce Lee movies. It’s quickly striking the heart at a very specific moment and knocking the rhythm out of whack. Pronger also staggers for a second before collapsing. He’s showing all the signs of a heart attack.

    A tackle is hitting with a larger surface area. It’s blunt trauma, not precision. Maybe it’s possible that the point of the shoulder could create the same conditions. But it doesn’t look that way. Hamlin also gets up as normal after the collision before completely freezing up and falling backwards. Doesn’t look the same at all. I also saw the Dennis Byrd game of 1992 (on TV) but this Hamlin incident felt different right off the bat. Something wasn’t right.

    Let’s not read way too much into or over-analyze my comment. I didn’t say getting hit by a puck is the same as colliding with another person. Having watched multiple Forensic Files episodes, I’m well aware of the differences between getting hit by a projectile and blunt force trauma. Whether Pronger staggers before collapsing and Hamlin doesn’t was not part of my comparison either. Nor was I saying Pronger’s diagnosis was the same as Hamlin’s or as serious (obviously it’s not), as someone suggested in an earlier comment.

    What I meant by “very similar” is simply and only this: player gets hit in chest, player has a a cardiac event, collapses to the ground, and has to be taken to the hospital. That’s it. That’s all I meant.

    When I saw what happened to Hamlin, it immediately reminded me of what happened to Pronger (I was watching that hockey game live when it happened). If it doesn’t remind anyone else of that, fair enough.

     

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  15. jmelvin Member
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    A couple years back one of the workers in an adjoining part of my office building collapsed in his cube and our emergency responders and eventually paramedics responded and tried for an hour to get him living again.  Sadly it didn’t work, but his co-workers just saw their buddy die right in their midst as their other buddies worked to bring him back to see his family another day.  Management of that area had the sense to send folks home and offer counseling for anyone who needed an ear to listen.  Even those of us who didn’t know the guy or work in his area, but saw the effort put forth were distracted and saddened for the rest of the day.  Yes death is an every day occurrence that gets everyone eventually, but most folk aren’t going to come to near terms with it on a daily basis.  It seems perfectly reasonable to let folk take a break and deal with what they’ve seen when that happens, especially if you’re involved in work that requires a high degree of concentration to avoid other injury or death.

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  16. EJHill Podcaster
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    Ladies and gentlemen of the jury… Exhibit 2 entered into evidence:

     

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  17. Western Chauvinist Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Ladies and gentlemen of the jury… Exhibit 2 entered into evidence:

     

    Who’s talking?

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  18. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Ladies and gentlemen of the jury… Exhibit 2 entered into evidence:

     

    Okay, you have a bit of a point here. I was in favor of suspending the Bills-Bengals game, but postponing the upcoming weekend’s games? Too far.

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  19. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    Jimmy Carter (View Comment):

    She (View Comment):

    I’m afraid I can’t quite bring myself to believe that whether or not a football game (FCS) is postponed or not is some sort of definitive commentary on society’s strength and robustness. Quite a few more consequential things going on, it looks like to me.

    At one time the NFL was played by the roughest, toughest Men. They loved America and celebrated Her. They also volunteered to go to war for Her.

    Now, the NFL is being infiltrated by pansies, kneelers, and chicks by force to take down the Men’s Only club.

    It most definitely is a commentary on Our society’s strength and robustness and it is showing just how weak We are becoming.

    Question for you , Jimmy: Was the NHL wrong to crackdown on checks to the head? I mean, those were part of the game since forever. Or as we all learned more about concussions and their long-term effects, were they correct to try to eliminate “headhunting” from the game? After all, who cares if players are crippled for life because of repeated concussions, right?

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  20. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    Ladies and gentlemen of the jury… Exhibit 2 entered into evidence:

    Players on all the teams? Not just the Bills/Bengals game?

    I’m trying to figure out how to express this . . . I wonder if the multiple traumas visited on the public over the last couple years (chiefly COVID) has resulted in some kind of societal PTSD, whereby things that we could once shrug off or soldier through now cause some kind of psychological distress.

    Or, and this is more likely . . . it is expected to distress us, and so we perform as required. But it is, in fact, performative. In other words, people want to publicly display how deeply moved they are by an event — to an extreme — and part of communicating that is to show how psychologically crippled they are as a result.

    “We’re just too traumatized to play!” signals one’s sympathies. It’s all about putting on that public display of performative trauma.

    I know that sounds cold and unfeeling, but it’s the only way I can think of to explain what it looks like to me.

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  21. EJHill Podcaster
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    MWD B612: Question for you , Jimmy: Was the NHL wrong to crackdown on checks to the head?

    I produced 7 years of NCAA hockey. Fighting and head shots are not necessary to the sport.

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  22. Percival Thatcher
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    Ladies and gentlemen of the jury… Exhibit 2 entered into evidence:

     

     

    Who’s talking?

    “Mental health professionals.”

    The usual suspects.

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  23. BDB Inactive
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    MWD B612: Question for you , Jimmy: Was the NHL wrong to crackdown on checks to the head?

    I produced 7 years of NCAA hockey. Fighting and head shots are not necessary to the sport.

    Agreed.  Tolerating has enshrined it.  
    NHL is about this far from unifying rules under the UFC.  

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  24. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    EJHill (View Comment):

    MWD B612: Question for you , Jimmy: Was the NHL wrong to crackdown on checks to the head?

    I produced 7 years of NCAA hockey. Fighting and head shots are not necessary to the sport.

    Oh, I agree. Was wondering what @jimmycarter‘s thought was, considering his comment about the NFL “…being infiltrated by pansies, kneelers, and chicks by force to take down the Men’s Only club.”

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  25. Doctor Robert Member
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    There is no mystery here.   Almost certainly this was Commodio cordis,  the stopping of the heart due to a sudden blow at just the wrong part of the cardiac cycle.   Rare but it happens.  New England Journal maybe a decade ago had a video of a fatal case in which the victim was struck with the palm in a karate match. He went down like a fallen tree and, (presumably) being in ventricular fibrillation, did not respond to CPR.   Being an old soccer coach, I always kept this in mind if a player was struck and fell.

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  26. Hoyacon Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    MWD B612: Question for you , Jimmy: Was the NHL wrong to crackdown on checks to the head?

    I produced 7 years of NCAA hockey. Fighting and head shots are not necessary to the sport.

    Agreed. Tolerating has enshrined it.
    NHL is about this far from unifying rules under the UFC.

    I know you like to have some fun, so I’m assuming that this is in that spirit.

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  27. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    MWD B612: Question for you , Jimmy: Was the NHL wrong to crackdown on checks to the head?

    I produced 7 years of NCAA hockey. Fighting and head shots are not necessary to the sport.

    Agreed. Tolerating has enshrined it.
    NHL is about this far from unifying rules under the UFC.

    I know you like to have some fun, so I’m assuming that this is in that spirit.

    Yeah, I didn’t get that one either, unless it’s intentional sarcasm.

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  28. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    But the steep rise in  the excess numbers of deaths among athletes from 2021 on, as compared to years prior to Jan 1st 2021,  is remarkable.

     

    A reasonable conclusion from that chart is that fall sports have more participants than spring sports.   Always remember that most samples involving humans are selected and not random. 

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  29. BDB Inactive
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    But the steep rise in the excess numbers of deaths among athletes from 2021 on, as compared to years prior to Jan 1st 2021, is remarkable.

     

    A reasonable conclusion from that chart is that fall sports have more participants than spring sports. Always remember that most samples involving humans are selected and not random.

    Yeah:

    A) per what?

    B) how about year on year

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  30. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    EJHill (View Comment):

    MWD B612: Question for you , Jimmy: Was the NHL wrong to crackdown on checks to the head?

    I produced 7 years of NCAA hockey. Fighting and head shots are not necessary to the sport.

    Agreed. Tolerating has enshrined it.
    NHL is about this far from unifying rules under the UFC.

    I know you like to have some fun, so I’m assuming that this is in that spirit.

    Yeah, I didn’t get that one either, unless it’s intentional sarcasm.

    And the NHL has been cracking down (well, as much as it can) on fighting. Still happens, but one doesn’t see the bench-clearing brawls of earlier days. Though there is still the occasional “line brawl.”

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