The Future of the West – Through Children

 

Elon Musk has said that the earth is basically empty, and he is right. We could fit the entire world’s population in New Zealand without exceeding the population density of Manhattan.

The problem is that richer countries are in deep, deep demographic decline. Here is Japan’s population pyramid (2020):

This is deeply troubled. The average Japanese woman is too old to procreate.

The healthiest Western country (in terms of population growth) is Israel.

Check out this website and enter your own country to see the results. Demographics is, at some point, destiny.

The alternative is to invite immigrants and hope they assimilate (the path most of Europe has taken to overcome its own domestic population crises). That is a risky proposition, to say the least. And one that countries like Japan and Korea are quite unlikely to adopt.

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  1. iWe Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Regarding Israel: Does anyone know of an explanation for Israeli demographics?

    As a matter of fact, I do. Here it is

    Key takeaway: Having enemies gives you a reason to procreate

    The more broad historical lessons of these simple conclusions may be fascinating: consider whether people who think they have enemies (such as those who own guns in America) have higher reproductive rates precisely because they are cognizant of the threats to their persons, possessions, and families.  I suspect there is something to this.

    This conclusion might also offer a kernel of hope to conservatives in America: aware that we have no shortage of enemies, in the long run we are more likely to win the war demographically. Conservative women are invested in the long term, and are far more fecund and feisty than committed leftists who, by the time they figure out their genders and pronouns, are well past reproductive age.

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  2. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    This is enhanced by the older generations’ expressions of regret over their lack of fertility.

    Pressuring the young ones to deliver grandchildren has ALWAYS worked.

    Clearly, someone missed my point.  You don’t get to pressure your children for grandchildren if you have no children.  And good luck pressuring your only child to have 4.2 kids to redress your own generation’s failure.

    Expressing regret can affect others, including those not your own, where pressure does not.

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  3. BDB Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

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    iWe:

    The problem is that richer countries are in deep, deep demographic decline.

    Why is it a problem for anybody else?

    Got me — what do I care?

    Less glib answer:

    Poorer countires gaining proportionally over richer countries will not make them richer.

    It will make no difference, I suspect. Rich countries will remain rich, their demographics may change, but they’ll still be rich. At the end of the day economies need brains and bodies, and they don’t care what colour these come in or what religious beliefs they have. Which will put some (ahistorical) noses out of joint, but hey, everybody’s a critic.

    Do you really think people whose best “brains” have created the Taliban etc as their highest examples, would be capable of – or interested in – maintaining the kind of civilization and technology they have essentially just been leaching from for decades or centuries?

    Where is the Palestinian iPhone?

    To paraphrase Trump, “They’re not electing their best.”  For that matter, we sure aren’t.  Afghanistan was a much better place before the Soviets crushed it because they could not have it.

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  4. iWe Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    I suspect that people concentrating in larger, more-crowded cities is part of it.  Which explains lowering fertility in places like Japan where many people “look forward to” living in a tiny perhaps one-room apartment and working until they die.

    Israel has less of that, at least for now.

    I suspect Israel’s residential square footage per person is much lower than in many large Western cities. I don’t know it for sure, but I know MANY large Jewish families in very small apartments.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    This is enhanced by the older generations’ expressions of regret over their lack of fertility.

    Pressuring the young ones to deliver grandchildren has ALWAYS worked.

    Clearly, someone missed my point. You don’t get to pressure your children for grandchildren if you have no children. And good luck pressuring your only child to have 4.2 kids to redress your own generation’s failure.

    Expressing regret can affect others, including those not your own, where pressure does not.

    Yes, that was something I mentioned before/elsewhere and partly in regard to certain podcast hosts etc.

    I might have also repeated this comment I saved from someone else, from some time ago:

     

    Interesting podcast where a bunch of people who have few children (does Robinson have 4? Rob I don’t know…) speculate on why no one has kids. Ask yourselves and your wives? Outside of intense religiosity feminism means your wife works and the kids go to daycare and there isn’t much left for kids beyond 1-3. Whites in the US are below replacement rate and almost at European levels. Religiosity is falling like a brick. These are connected as the rise of feminism even among the religious, and celebrated by conservatives who want their daughter to be a doctor not a mother, results in people being too concerned with this world and not the future and their children.

    Which gets me to the real point – the collapse of Christianity as a serous guiding principle is why society is in decay. Its a complicated issue, but at the heart of it wicked people are decadent and we are a wicked godless nation.

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  6. Saint Augustine Member
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    iWe (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Regarding Israel: Does anyone know of an explanation for Israeli demographics?

    As a matter of fact, I do. Here it is

    Key takeaway: Having enemies gives you a reason to procreate

    The more broad historical lessons of these simple conclusions may be fascinating: consider whether people who think they have enemies (such as those who own guns in America) have higher reproductive rates precisely because they are cognizant of the threats to their persons, possessions, and families. I suspect there is something to this.

    This conclusion might also offer a kernel of hope to conservatives in America: aware that we have no shortage of enemies, in the long run we are more likely to win the war demographically. Conservative women are invested in the long term, and are far more fecund and feisty than committed leftists who, by the time they figure out their genders and pronouns, are well past reproductive age.

    Marry. Have babies. Homeschool them.  Don’t dally too long with the having babies; life is short; generations are longer.

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  7. Annefy Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    I am not too worried about numbers but about quality. Has anyone here seen Idiocracy?

    In order for there to be those capable of leading etc, there still have to be bodies produced. The rest is “programming.”

    No. Fifty-sixty percent of what people are has to do with their genetics as I’ve said constantly. I am worried that low I.Q. and anti-social people are irresponsibly outbreeding the intelligent and the sensible.

    What a tiresome and borderline obnoxious comment.

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  8. Miffed White Male Member
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    This is enhanced by the older generations’ expressions of regret over their lack of fertility.

    Pressuring the young ones to deliver grandchildren has ALWAYS worked.

    Clearly, someone missed my point. You don’t get to pressure your children for grandchildren if you have no children. And good luck pressuring your only child to have 4.2 kids to redress your own generation’s failure.

    Expressing regret can affect others, including those not your own, where pressure does not.

    Having kids is hereditary – if your parents don’t, you won’t.

     

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    Zafar (View Comment):

    Where is the Palestinian iPhone?

    I tried calling but it was occupied.

    Now that’s funny.

    There are something like six million of these Jordyptian sojourners, and even their rocketry program is just getting started.

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  10. Annefy Member
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    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Regarding Israel: Does anyone know of an explanation for Israeli demographics?

    As a matter of fact, I do. Here it is

    Key takeaway: Having enemies gives you a reason to procreate

    The more broad historical lessons of these simple conclusions may be fascinating: consider whether people who think they have enemies (such as those who own guns in America) have higher reproductive rates precisely because they are cognizant of the threats to their persons, possessions, and families. I suspect there is something to this.

    This conclusion might also offer a kernel of hope to conservatives in America: aware that we have no shortage of enemies, in the long run we are more likely to win the war demographically. Conservative women are invested in the long term, and are far more fecund and feisty than committed leftists who, by the time they figure out their genders and pronouns, are well past reproductive age.

    Marry. Have babies. Homeschool them. Don’t dally too long with the having babies; life is short; generations are longer.

    I tell everyone to decide how many children to have. And then have at least one more.

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):

    Where is the Palestinian iPhone?

    I tried calling but it was occupied.

    Now that’s funny.

    There are something like six million of these Jordyptian sojourners, and even their rocketry program is just getting started.

    How much is theirs, versus Iranian, which actually means Russian and/or Chinese?

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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Regarding Israel: Does anyone know of an explanation for Israeli demographics?

    As a matter of fact, I do. Here it is

    Key takeaway: Having enemies gives you a reason to procreate

    The more broad historical lessons of these simple conclusions may be fascinating: consider whether people who think they have enemies (such as those who own guns in America) have higher reproductive rates precisely because they are cognizant of the threats to their persons, possessions, and families. I suspect there is something to this.

    This conclusion might also offer a kernel of hope to conservatives in America: aware that we have no shortage of enemies, in the long run we are more likely to win the war demographically. Conservative women are invested in the long term, and are far more fecund and feisty than committed leftists who, by the time they figure out their genders and pronouns, are well past reproductive age.

    Marry. Have babies. Homeschool them. Don’t dally too long with the having babies; life is short; generations are longer.

    I tell everyone to decide how many children to have. And then have at least one more.

    Spares don’t always work out — *cough HARRY cough*.

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  13. BDB Inactive
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    This is enhanced by the older generations’ expressions of regret over their lack of fertility.

    Pressuring the young ones to deliver grandchildren has ALWAYS worked.

    Clearly, someone missed my point. You don’t get to pressure your children for grandchildren if you have no children. And good luck pressuring your only child to have 4.2 kids to redress your own generation’s failure.

    Expressing regret can affect others, including those not your own, where pressure does not.

    Ahem.  4.41

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  14. Annefy Member
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Regarding Israel: Does anyone know of an explanation for Israeli demographics?

    As a matter of fact, I do. Here it is

    Key takeaway: Having enemies gives you a reason to procreate

    The more broad historical lessons of these simple conclusions may be fascinating: consider whether people who think they have enemies (such as those who own guns in America) have higher reproductive rates precisely because they are cognizant of the threats to their persons, possessions, and families. I suspect there is something to this.

    This conclusion might also offer a kernel of hope to conservatives in America: aware that we have no shortage of enemies, in the long run we are more likely to win the war demographically. Conservative women are invested in the long term, and are far more fecund and feisty than committed leftists who, by the time they figure out their genders and pronouns, are well past reproductive age.

    Marry. Have babies. Homeschool them. Don’t dally too long with the having babies; life is short; generations are longer.

    I tell everyone to decide how many children to have. And then have at least one more.

    Spares don’t always work out — *cough HARRY cough*.

    What “always” works out? And I don’t recommend having children as “spares”.  And Harry is hardly a one-off in that crazy family. Charles should have followed his mother’s lead and had at least four.

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    In case anyone missed it before, this is a really good interview with Mark Steyn:

     

    https://www.adrive.com/public/RaM8Mj/NARN%2012-02-06%20NARN%201%20Hour%202%20Mark%20Steyn.mp3

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  16. Zafar Member
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Zafar (View Comment):
    At the end of the day economies need brains and bodies, and they don’t care what colour these come in or what religious beliefs they have. Which will put some (ahistorical) noses out of joint, but hey, everybody’s a critic.

    Absolutely 100 percent wrong. Color doesn’t matter but religion and culture does. Rich countries became wealthy because their cultures and religions allowed the generation of wealth, not because they stole from weaker and poorer countries. (Though rich countries did do alot of stealing as well.)

    If they did both how can you be so sure that the dominant factor was religion and not stealing?

    If Britain had not invaded India. Would the Mughal Empire have made Bollywood, the Indian tech billionaires

    We’ll never know, will we?

    or have given your ancestors the opportunity to learn how to read?

    Actually literacy was really low in India under the British.  It’s when we got rid of them that literacy increased, famines decreased, Bollywood really grew and we got our Tech billionaires.

    All of this happened because – along with India finally having representative government – Britain was no longer skimming India’s economic surplus.  The economy grew, under the Raj, at an average of 1.2% a year.  As soon as the Raj ended the growth rate almost tripled to 3.2% a year.  What happened to Britain’s growth rate after the post-war reconstruction boom?

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  17. Zafar Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Regarding Israel: Does anyone know of an explanation for Israeli demographics? Do they have pro-family policies that might be adopted elsewhere? Is it the strong nationalism of the Israeli people? It doesn’t seem to be purely a matter of faith, as iWe reported in #28 that the birth rate in Israel is healthy even among non-religious Jews.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/nearly-1-in-4-israelis-will-be-ultra-orthodox-by-2050-study-says/

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    Zafar (View Comment):

    or have given your ancestors the opportunity to learn how to read?

    Actually literacy was really low in India under the British.  It’s when we got rid of them that literacy increased, famines decreased, Bollywood really grew and we got our Tech billionaires.

    Ah, but would you have read Kipling?

    I rest my case.

    .

     

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  19. Zafar Member
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    BDB (View Comment):
    Ah, but would you have read Kipling?

    Nobody would have.  Seems like you’re arguing that occupying India was good for Britain, which is kind of uncontroversial?

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    Zafar (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):
    Ah, but would you have read Kipling?

    Nobody would have. Seems like you’re arguing that occupying India was good for Britain, which is kind of uncontroversial?

    Am being silly.

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  21. Manny Coolidge
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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    iWe: And one that countries like Japan and Korea are quite unlikely to adopt.

    Their resistance to importing the next generation might save them in the end. Any demographic decline ends, if it ends, when the fraction of the population willing to have significant numbers of children become the majority. By attrition, if other factors are held at bay. Refusing immigration gives the future fecund majority a chance to form.

    This is enhanced by the older generations’ expressions of regret over their lack of fertility.

    I agree. The answer is for nations to start having families of five children or more. Yeah, there might be a donut in the population but it does preserve the culture. 

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  22. Manny Coolidge
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    Ekosj (View Comment):

    There is a great article by David P Goldman that addresses this issue and the economic impact. It’s from 2009 but still rings true as we are still living through the unwinding of the easy-money policies out in place in an attempt to avoid the consequences of the financial crisis.

    https://www.firstthings.com/article/2009/05/demographics-depression

    If capital markets derive from the cycle of human life, what happens if the cycle goes wrong? Investors may be unreasonably panicked about the future, and governments can allay this panic by guaranteeing bank deposits, increasing incentives to invest, and so forth. But something different is in play when investors are reasonably panicked. What if there really is something wrong with our future“if the next generation fails to appear in sufficient numbers? The answer is that we get poorer.

     

    Do we get poorer as result of demographic collapse? If the terms of measurement are per capita income, the aftermath of great plague of the 13th century would suggest otherwise. Farm labor wages increased dramatically as a result of the scarcity of labor. That was a real demographic collapse.

    The same thing is occurring with the retirement of the boomers.

    Good point. I think the national influence on the world declines with reduced population. And unfortunately reduced population invites immigration.  

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  23. Phil Turmel Inactive
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

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    Phil Turmel (View Comment):

    This is enhanced by the older generations’ expressions of regret over their lack of fertility.

    Pressuring the young ones to deliver grandchildren has ALWAYS worked.

    Clearly, someone missed my point. You don’t get to pressure your children for grandchildren if you have no children. And good luck pressuring your only child to have 4.2 kids to redress your own generation’s failure.

    Expressing regret can affect others, including those not your own, where pressure does not.

    Ahem. 4.41

    I stand corrected.

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  24. iWe Coolidge
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    Here is a great thread showing just how empty the world is.

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  25. Henry Castaigne Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    BDB (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Regarding Israel: Does anyone know of an explanation for Israeli demographics?

    As a matter of fact, I do. Here it is

    Key takeaway: Having enemies gives you a reason to procreate

    The more broad historical lessons of these simple conclusions may be fascinating: consider whether people who think they have enemies (such as those who own guns in America) have higher reproductive rates precisely because they are cognizant of the threats to their persons, possessions, and families. I suspect there is something to this.

    This conclusion might also offer a kernel of hope to conservatives in America: aware that we have no shortage of enemies, in the long run we are more likely to win the war demographically. Conservative women are invested in the long term, and are far more fecund and feisty than committed leftists who, by the time they figure out their genders and pronouns, are well past reproductive age.

    Marry. Have babies. Homeschool them. Don’t dally too long with the having babies; life is short; generations are longer.

    I tell everyone to decide how many children to have. And then have at least one more.

    Spares don’t always work out — *cough HARRY cough*.

    What “always” works out? And I don’t recommend having children as “spares”. And Harry is hardly a one-off in that crazy family. Charles should have followed his mother’s lead and had at least four.

    Could you actually try to explain why?

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    Shaarei Tzedek Hospital in Jerusalem delivers more babies — around 22,000 — per year than any other hospital in the world.

    As I sit in my third floor Jerusalem apartment looking across the street at a playground filled with the young and the old, where grandparents come to watch their children play, I am struck by fulfillment of the prophecy in Zechariah 8:3-5:

    “So said the Lord: I will return to Zion, and I will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem; and Jerusalem shall be called the city of truth, and the mount of the Lord of Hosts [shall be called] the holy mountain.

    So said the Lord of Hosts: Old men and women shall yet sit in the streets of Jerusalem, each man with his staff in his hand because of old age.

    And the streets of the city shall be filled with boys and girls playing in its streets.”

    Can the fulfillment of this other prophecy from Zechariah (8:23) be far behind?

    “So said the Lord of Hosts: In those days, when ten men of all the languages of the nations shall take hold of the garment of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.'”

     

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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    iWe (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Regarding Israel: Does anyone know of an explanation for Israeli demographics?

    As a matter of fact, I do. Here it is

    Key takeaway: Having enemies gives you a reason to procreate

    The more broad historical lessons of these simple conclusions may be fascinating: consider whether people who think they have enemies (such as those who own guns in America) have higher reproductive rates precisely because they are cognizant of the threats to their persons, possessions, and families. I suspect there is something to this.

    This conclusion might also offer a kernel of hope to conservatives in America: aware that we have no shortage of enemies, in the long run we are more likely to win the war demographically. Conservative women are invested in the long term, and are far more fecund and feisty than committed leftists who, by the time they figure out their genders and pronouns, are well past reproductive age.

    Marry. Have babies. Homeschool them. Don’t dally too long with the having babies; life is short; generations are longer.

    I tell everyone to decide how many children to have. And then have at least one more.

    Spares don’t always work out — *cough HARRY cough*.

    What “always” works out? And I don’t recommend having children as “spares”. And Harry is hardly a one-off in that crazy family. Charles should have followed his mother’s lead and had at least four.

    Could you actually try to explain why?

    My guess is that having 4 if you have a “dud” that’s only 25%, but if you have two and one is a “dud” that’s 50%.  And so forth.

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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Regarding Israel: Does anyone know of an explanation for Israeli demographics?

    As a matter of fact, I do. Here it is

    Key takeaway: Having enemies gives you a reason to procreate

    The more broad historical lessons of these simple conclusions may be fascinating: consider whether people who think they have enemies (such as those who own guns in America) have higher reproductive rates precisely because they are cognizant of the threats to their persons, possessions, and families. I suspect there is something to this.

    This conclusion might also offer a kernel of hope to conservatives in America: aware that we have no shortage of enemies, in the long run we are more likely to win the war demographically. Conservative women are invested in the long term, and are far more fecund and feisty than committed leftists who, by the time they figure out their genders and pronouns, are well past reproductive age.

    Marry. Have babies. Homeschool them. Don’t dally too long with the having babies; life is short; generations are longer.

    I tell everyone to decide how many children to have. And then have at least one more.

    Spares don’t always work out — *cough HARRY cough*.

    What “always” works out? And I don’t recommend having children as “spares”. And Harry is hardly a one-off in that crazy family. Charles should have followed his mother’s lead and had at least four.

    Could you actually try to explain why?

    My guess is that having 4 if you have a “dud” that’s only 25%, but if you have two and one is a “dud” that’s 50%. And so forth.

    And so fifth.

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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):

    The problem is that richer countries are in deep, deep demographic decline.

    Why is it a problem for anybody else?

    Got me — what do I care?

    Less glib answer:

    Poorer countires gaining proportionally over richer countries will not make them richer. Importing things they cannot make or processes they cannot sustain from richer countries are the key to wealth.

    I don’t quite follow can you elaborate? 

    Ya see, rich countries create income by devising elaborate financial instruments like FTX and credit default swaps.   Without rich countries using these to extract rents from their working class, the poorer countries would be stuck with old fashioned making things for income.

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  30. Mark Camp Member
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    Zafar (View Comment):

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    iWe:

    The problem is that richer countries are in deep, deep demographic decline.

    Why is it a problem for anybody else?

    Got me — what do I care?

    Less glib answer:

    Poorer countires gaining proportionally over richer countries will not make them richer.

    It will make no difference, I suspect. Rich countries will remain rich, their demographics may change, but they’ll still be rich. At the end of the day economies need brains and bodies, and they don’t care what colour these come in or what religious beliefs they have. Which will put some (ahistorical) noses out of joint, but hey, everybody’s a critic.

    Importing things they cannot make or processes they cannot sustain from richer countries are the key to wealth.

    Sure, but more importantly exporting things that they can make more competitively.

    In a spiritual sense, that’s true.  It is more blessed to give (e.g., export, or give charity ) than to receive (e.g., import, or receive charity).

    Even though exporting makes you less wealthy in the material sense, it makes your fellow man in another country more wealthy in the material sense, which may make you spiritually wealthier, unless the person you export to is evil and will use his increased wealth to do evil.  For example, making the Communist Party in China wealthier.

    Even if you engage in a free commercial exchange with another person, which makes you materially wealthier (by the difference in importance that you attach to what you received, and the necessarily lesser importance of what you gave up) , you are still making that person materially wealthier, too. So it still might make you spiritually richer as long as the person you enrich doesn’t have evil intent.

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