DeSantis Demands Covid-19 Accountability

 

For the last two years we’ve watched Gov. Ron DeSantis fight the establishment regarding the many mandates, misinformation, and censorship regarding Covid. He is still viewed with disdain as people continually reject his efforts to look out for the health and safety of the people of Florida. Now he is acting to hold the manufacturers and others accountable by petitioning the Florida Supreme Court to impanel a Grand Jury:

‘They said there was [sic] no side effects,’ DeSantis explained at a private event over the weekend. ‘We know that there have been, and there have been a lot.’ While the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has acknowledged that inflammation of the heart tissue occurred ‘rarely’ following mRNA COVID vaccinations, DeSantis claimed during the same event that ‘We did a study in Florida, and you saw an 86 percent increase in cardiac-related activity from people 18 to 39 from mRNA shots.’

During his event on Tuesday, DeSantis insinuated that the grand jury push was, in part, an effort to make public various reports regarding vaccine efficacy and side effects which manufacturers like Moderna and Pfizer had previously kept private. ‘We’ll be able to get the data whether they want to give it or not,’ DeSantis vowed.

Of course, DeSantis has been attacked on a few fronts, including that his motives for the Grand Jury are connected to his predicted run for the presidency, as well as challenging the study that Dr. Joseph Ladapo, Florida’s Surgeon General, conducted regarding the vaccines (and verified heart problems).

It’s no surprise that the drug manufacturers are defending the vaccines, too:

Pfizer told FOX Business, ‘Regulatory agencies across the world have authorized the use of our COVID-19 vaccine.’

‘These authorizations are based on robust and independent evaluation of the scientific data on quality, safety and efficacy, including our landmark phase 3 clinical trial, Pfizer said. ‘Data from real world studies complement the clinical trial data and provide additional evidence that the vaccine provides effective protection against severe disease.’

‘Over the course of this deadly pandemic, mRNA vaccines have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, tens of billions of dollars in health care costs, and enabled people worldwide to go about their lives more freely,’ the drugmaker continued. ‘As of Nov. 27, 2022, we have delivered 4.3 billion vaccines to 181 countries and territories in every region of the world.’

The facts that contradict the vaccines’ quality, safety, and efficacy are essentially ignored.

DeSantis is also taking on our federal public health organizations:

DeSantis on Tuesday also announced the creation of a panel, called the Public Health Integrity Committee, which will ‘offer critical assessments’ of recommendations and findings from the Food and Drug Administration, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and National Institutes of Health.

The panel will feature professors, researchers and doctors who all have vocally opposed widely-held scientific consensus regarding COVID-19 vaccines. Other states have expressed interest in being involved as well, DeSantis said.

Since no one seems to be willing to take on the federal government’s misinformation, bias, and illegitimate mandates, DeSantis will.

It’s long overdue. Too many people have suffered.

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  1. Rodin Member
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    @Rodin

    I approve and hope the people will support him. I have read some concerns about some of the people DeSantis has assigned to various groups/offices to carry out the review of Covid vaccine promotion. And we must be watchful of subalterns to any politician we like. But this cannot deter us from a mission of restoration.

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    Rodin (View Comment):

    I approve and hope the people will support him. I have read some concerns about some of the people DeSantis has assigned to various groups/offices to carry out the review of Covid vaccine promotion. And we must be watchful of subalterns to any politician we like. But this cannot deter us from a mission of restoration.

    Rodin, are you thinking of the woman who was distorting the data on Covid some time ago? Or have you heard of other subordinates trying to sabotage his efforts? I’m sure others will try to create problems behind the scenes, but hopefully he will act aggressively to stop them. It would be pretty hard for him not to be aware of people taking consequential actions.

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  3. Rodin Member
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    @Rodin

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Rodin (View Comment):

    I approve and hope the people will support him. I have read some concerns about some of the people DeSantis has assigned to various groups/offices to carry out the review of Covid vaccine promotion. And we must be watchful of subalterns to any politician we like. But this cannot deter us from a mission of restoration.

    Rodin, are you thinking of the woman who was distorting the data on Covid some time ago? Or have you heard of other subordinates trying to sabotage his efforts? I’m sure others will try to create problems behind the scenes, but hopefully he will act aggressively to stop them. It would be pretty hard for him not to be aware of people taking consequential actions.

    My comment was stimulated by an email from a California anti-Covid activist. But in reviewing the video that fleshes out her concerns I am uncertain how legitimate are some of her criticisms. When you criticize Dr Jay, you are now slipping through The Looking Glass.

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  4. Scott Wilmot Member
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    @ScottWilmot

    Not only is this a good move to get at the truth but it is also a good move politically for DeSantis as it puts him opposite of Trump who is “Mr. Warp Speed Beautiful Vaccines”.

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  5. Old Bathos Member
    Old Bathos
    @OldBathos

    We are living in bizzaro America in which “experts” who consistently make absurd predictions and pronouncements, often to the detriment of those who rely upon them while within the warm embrace of The Narrative are protected and praised. No one is allowed to notice their incompetence of malice.  Actual experts who are right about COVID (or about hurricanes, polar bears, the Great barrier reef, human sexuality, the causes of inflation, or energy policy) can be fired, silenced, or abused for not genuflecting to the Narrative and making the sacrifice of integrity it demands.

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  6. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Susan Quinn:

    Pfizer told FOX Business, ‘Regulatory agencies across the world have authorized the use of our COVID-19 vaccine.’

    ‘These authorizations are based on robust and independent evaluation of the scientific data on quality, safety and efficacy, including our landmark phase 3 clinical trial, Pfizer said. ‘Data from real world studies complement the clinical trial data and provide additional evidence that the vaccine provides effective protection against severe disease.’

    And that is why the FDA moved to sit on that data for 75 years.

    Wait … what?

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  7. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    Susan Quinn: Since no one seems to be willing to take on the federal government’s misinformation, bias and illegitimate mandates, DeSantis will.

    More importantly, he is taking on the more powerful Medical Industrial Complex ($5Trillion/year).   That industry frightens every nation on earth except China.  DeSantis is the bravest, most effective politician in America.  I think I can count on one hand the number of politicians willing to take on this industry (Johnson, Paul, Jordan,…uh…uh…that’s it).

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  8. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    Rodin (View Comment):
    My comment was stimulated by an email from a California anti-Covid activist. But in reviewing the video that fleshes out her concerns I am uncertain how legitimate are some of her criticisms. When you criticize Dr Jay, you are now slipping through The Looking Glass.

    I watched half the video and stopped. To say that there is no such thing as public health is foolish. With competent health officials, that aren’t interested in power and control, their guidance can be helpful. Her point that we should all just be able to make our own decisions is true, but people who understand these issues can be important.

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: Since no one seems to be willing to take on the federal government’s misinformation, bias and illegitimate mandates, DeSantis will.

    More importantly, he is taking on the more powerful Medical Industrial Complex ($5Trillion/year). That industry frightens every nation on earth except China. DeSantis is the bravest, most effective politician in America. I think I can count on one hand the number of politicians willing to take on this industry (Johnson, Paul, Jordan,…uh…uh…that’s it).

    I’d add Tom Cotton, too.

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  10. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    I think I can count on one hand the number of politicians willing to take on this industry (Johnson, Paul, Jordan,…uh…uh…that’s it).

    I’d add Tom Cotton, too.

    I’ll give Cotton some props for calling out Wuhan as the source, but nothing else.   I should give some credit to Gov. Noem and Gov. Reynolds, but they are mostly off the radar.   The problem for the GOP is that since 99% were quiet/compliant/backers of the Covid fascism, that means only 1% feel able to speak up now.  Does it really take a lot of bravery to say, “Fauci lied and I should not have trusted the CDC/FDA” ?   

    I get that the intersection of public health and political economy means that there is more reward for taking bad action than taking no action–it is just easier for a politician to give in to the most frightened voters.   The reason we have our Constitution is to make it hard for politicians to submit to the whims of a fevered majority, yet throughout the nation we have had “true conservatives” discard the Constitution to support medical tyranny.   What are the root causes?  Timid politicians, the engorgement of government, the power of the oligarchs, or the rise of single women and soyboys? 

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  11. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Color me skeptical, maybe even cynical.  

    In the end I expect a big nothing burger.

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  12. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @SusanQuinn

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Color me skeptical, maybe even cynical.

    In the end I expect a big nothing burger.

    If it were someone else, I might agree. But DeSantis doesn’t give up easily.

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  13. Dr. Bastiat Member
    Dr. Bastiat
    @drbastiat

    Ok, hang on.  

    So the Pfizer CEO claims that his vaccines have saved “hundreds of thousands of lives”.  I presume that if they had saved over a million lives, he would have said that.  So let’s just estimate that they’ve saved 500,000 lives.  For round numbers.  

    And he claims to have sent out 4.3 billion vaccines.  We’ll call that 5 billion, for round numbers.

    So they gave 5 billion shots, and saved 500,000 lives.

    So they gave 10,000 shots to save one life?  Am I doing my math right?

    If that’s really true, than these shots had better be REALLY safe.  Because if they had a side effect rate of more than 1 per 10,0000, then what did we just do?

    I’ll run the numbers later.  But if these off-the-top-of-my-head numbers are close, then…oh my goodness…

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  14. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    DeSantis seemed pretty certain that the Florida Supreme Court would grant his petition for a Grand Jury. I don’t know enough about Grand Juries to know the degree to which people can stall in supplying documents and data. I would expect the pharma companies to stall as much as they possibly can.

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  15. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    Color me skeptical, maybe even cynical.

    In the end I expect a big nothing burger.

    If it were someone else, I might agree. But DeSantis doesn’t give up easily.

    Maybe, we will see.  But he is one man against a legion of evil, he shares that issue with Trump

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  16. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @SusanQuinn

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    I’ll run the numbers later.  But if these off-the-top-of-my-head numbers are close, then…oh my goodness…

    Please update us if you discover otherwise. Most importantly, I think DeSantis (and certainly all of us) want the truth. I realize the truth isn’t very popular these days, but, oh well . . . Thanks, Doc.

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  17. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):
    I’ll run the numbers later. But if these off-the-top-of-my-head numbers are close, then…oh my goodness…

    Please update us if you discover otherwise. Most importantly, I think DeSantis (and certainly all of us) want the truth. I realize the truth isn’t very popular these days, but, oh well . . . Thanks, Doc.

    And thus the problem.  In today’s situation would we even recognize the truth if we heard it?  

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  18. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Ok, hang on.

    So the Pfizer CEO claims that his vaccines have saved “hundreds of thousands of lives”. I presume that if they had saved over a million lives, he would have said that. So let’s just estimate that they’ve saved 500,000 lives. For round numbers.

    And he claims to have sent out 4.3 billion vaccines. We’ll call that 5 billion, for round numbers.

    So they gave 5 billion shots, and saved 500,000 lives.

    So they gave 10,000 shots to save one life? Am I doing my math right?

    If that’s really true, than these shots had better be REALLY safe. Because if they had a side effect rate of more than 1 per 10,0000, then what did we just do?

    I’ll run the numbers later. But if these off-the-top-of-my-head numbers are close, then…oh my goodness…

    Didn’t most people get more than one dose?

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  19. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @SusanQuinn

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Didn’t most people get more than one dose?

    Well, sending out 5 billion doses doesn’t mean they gave 5 million shots. Lots of people didn’t get any shots. But you ask an important question, ke.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    Didn’t most people get more than one dose?

    Well, sending out 5 billion doses doesn’t mean they gave 5 million shots. Lots of people didn’t get any shots. But you ask an important question, ke.

    I assume they’re only claiming to have saved lives among those who got the shot, not among those who didn’t.

    The Pfizer shot requires two doses to start with, as far as I know.  Not counting boosters.  So it seems that at most, only 2.5 billion people would have received 5 billion doses.  Which means the number-of-lives-saved would be a larger percentage of a smaller “population.”

    However, the lives-saved-per-doses-presumably-paid-for is still valid.

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  21. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @SusanQuinn

    FYI from August 2022

    What’s the nation’s progress on vaccinations? 

    At least 262,908,216 people or 79% of the population have received at least one dose.

    Overall, 224,113,439 people or 68% of the population are considered fully vaccinated.

    Additionally, 108,806,974 people or 33% of the population have received a booster dose.

     

    Pfizer was two shots, so I don’t know if “one dose” is two shots or one.

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  22. Unsk Member
    Unsk
    @Unsk

    DeSantis may be the best hope to get at the truth about COVID, the pandemic response, and the Jab. 

    Americans are dying or are being seriously injured by the Jab in the hundreds of thousands. The response of our government Health Care Authorities is an outrageous criminal conspiracy to injure or kill Americans  which now has become a full blown Constitutional crisis where Federal Agency after Federal Agency including the DOJ is not “taking care” to properly enforce the law and is clearly violating the rights of millions of Americans

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  23. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    @GlennAmurgis

    Next, you will hear the “principled” conservatives like Kristol, French, the Lincoln project and the rest of the political grifters claim that DeSantis is worst than Trump. 

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  24. Roderic Coolidge
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    @rhfabian

    DeSantis’ call for a grand jury will come to nothing because it’s based on false premises that will melt away on close scrutiny.  I suspect DeSantis knows as much, and this is just a cynical sop to the base.  The idea that there were a lot of cardiac side effects of the vaccines is based on flawed data and misinterpretations of the data, or on outright falsehoods.   The drug companies never said that there were no side effects, just that side effects were uncommon, which was and remains true.  

    It’s disappointing to see conservatives so unreservedly and uncritically buying into a delusional conspiracy theory.   

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  25. Scott Wilmot Member
    Scott Wilmot
    @ScottWilmot

    Roderic (View Comment):

    DeSantis’ call for a grand jury will come to nothing because it’s based on false premises that will melt away on close scrutiny. I suspect DeSantis knows as much, and this is just a cynical sop to the base. The idea that there were a lot of cardiac side effects of the vaccines is based on flawed data and misinterpretations of the data, or on outright falsehoods. The drug companies never said that there were no side effects, just that side effects were uncommon, which was and remains true.

    It’s disappointing to see conservatives so unreservedly and uncritically buying into a delusional conspiracy theory.

    Wow. Thanks for clearing this up. You’ve totally changed my mind.

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  26. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

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  27. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    Roderic (View Comment):
    there were a lot of cardiac side effects of the vaccines is based on flawed data

    Yet several countries in Europe have banned the vaccines for certain age groups, so there must be some data.  The jab companies claimed “safe and effective” for all age groups, which sets up a large number of claims to be arbitrated.  It will only take a few instances of side-effects being mischaracterized in the studies to show deception and that will remove the legal protection against damages.   Naomi Wolfe has a team that has done a deep dive into the original research and she has said there were multiple instances of adverse affects being mischaracterized.  (TLDR here)

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  28. cdor Member
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    @cdor

    Rodin (View Comment):

    I approve and hope the people will support him. I have read some concerns about some of the people DeSantis has assigned to various groups/offices to carry out the review of Covid vaccine promotion. And we must be watchful of subalterns to any politician we like. But this cannot deter us from a mission of restoration.

    I agree, @rodin. I would like to see the panel have conflicting voices, scientists of various opinions on all sides of the issue. That is what has been lacking for the last three years. We have only heard one side while the other side has been censored. I don’t believe the solution is to work in reverse, but to be inclusive instead.

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  29. Old Bathos Member
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    @OldBathos

    Roderic (View Comment):

    DeSantis’ call for a grand jury will come to nothing because it’s based on false premises that will melt away on close scrutiny. I suspect DeSantis knows as much, and this is just a cynical sop to the base. The idea that there were a lot of cardiac side effects of the vaccines is based on flawed data and misinterpretations of the data, or on outright falsehoods. The drug companies never said that there were no side effects, just that side effects were uncommon, which was and remains true.

    It’s disappointing to see conservatives so unreservedly and uncritically buying into a delusional conspiracy theory.

    My understanding is that it is not so much about side effects (although the extent of prior testing appears to have been greatly overstated) but mostly the lies about prevention of spread which were the basis of unwarranted, costly mandates. If people consented to the shot(s) on the false promise of immunity rather than likely symptom reduction that is culpable. A conspiracy to increase sales and support bad policy also needs airing and redress.

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  30. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    As one of the articles mentioned, other governors are going to follow in DeSantis’ steps. I’m so encouraged to see more and more governors recognize that they are empowered to take action and fight back. They did the same regarding ESG; we need to see more of thi type of behavior.

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