Where Do We Go from Here?

 

If one spends some time examining what has happened between the lead-up to the 2016 election and since then, as it regards Donald Trump, I think it is really difficult to pin any serious wrongdoing, much less actions involving criminal intent on him.

It is very interesting how the media helped Trump with publicity during the 2016 Republican primary campaign, then turned immediately into almost totally biased opposition after that. He still won that election, although the Democrats flailed about in severe election denial. Most already existing mainstream media has been anti-Trump since his election in 2016. Trump has had significant support in alternative media sources.

Democrats, aided by anti-Trump turncoat Republicans, worked throughout Trump’s term to bring him down, mostly with false information and accusations of wrongdoing, nothing ever proven, including claims that Trump’s actions and statements about the 2020 election and during the January 6 protests and riot involved inciting insurrection. Let’s refer to these anti-Trump-Agenda types as Globalists.

There are others, who may actually support Trump’s agenda but don’t like how he conducts himself, they don’t like his personality, so they tend to turn to other Republicans who actually either support the Globalists or do little to oppose them. Trump’s clarion call is to Make America Great Again (MAGA). Globalists’ falsely label MAGA as fascist, a term that describes forms of national socialism. MAGA does promote America’s national sovereignty but certainly not socialism. Trump’s agenda for MAGA has a number of issues to be addressed; trade, border control, and military conflict, lead that list. But his four years in office reveal we are in a real fight for the freedoms Americans are guaranteed under the US Constitution against the Oligarchs pushing for one world government.

Meanwhile, we were learning so many dark things about Democrats in general, and even some Republicans, and our federal bureaucracy, but without generating any inquiry interests in the various departments and agencies of the government. A picture depicting a severe and almost total political divide between the Republicans (Trump-led) and the Democrats (Obama-led) emerged in the 2020 and 2022 elections.

The Globalist movement led by the World Economic Forum (WEF) benefits from a century of groundwork by the Socialists and Communists in America culminating in the last 40 years with the hollowing out of America’s traditional institutions. The MAGA agenda is arrayed in opposition to the Global Socialists (Globalists) and strives to restore the integrity of our emptied traditional institutions.  The weapons are money, political power, disinformation, and knowledge. I’m using knowledge here as complete and truthful information as opposed to propaganda and indoctrination.

There are plenty of issues, viewpoints, and characters that will be part of the coming period.

Pay attention and enjoy the ride.

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    I think DeSantis, Youngkin, and Abbott( sp?) could all win in 2024. I think either Tim or Rick Scott could win in 2024. I prefer DeSantis, but would joyfully support any of them. There may be other strong, good choices that I am not aware of. Hopefully the primaries will result in our strongest best candidate.

    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

     

    That is what a serious conservative/Republican does.  Gary is not a serious conservative/Republican.

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  2. The Reticulator Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    I think DeSantis, Youngkin, and Abbott( sp?) could all win in 2024. I think either Tim or Rick Scott could win in 2024. I prefer DeSantis, but would joyfully support any of them. There may be other strong, good choices that I am not aware of. Hopefully the primaries will result in our strongest best candidate.

    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

     

    I will make no such commitment.

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  3. Gary Robbins Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    I think DeSantis, Youngkin, and Abbott( sp?) could all win in 2024. I think either Tim or Rick Scott could win in 2024. I prefer DeSantis, but would joyfully support any of them. There may be other strong, good choices that I am not aware of. Hopefully the primaries will result in our strongest best candidate.

    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

     

    That is what a serious conservative/Republican does. Gary is not a serious conservative/Republican.

    With one exception (Tom Horne who has myriad ethical problems and was defeated in a Republican primary 8 years ago), I voted a straight Republican Ticket, except for Election Disputers.  Every Republican I voted for won.  

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    I think DeSantis, Youngkin, and Abbott( sp?) could all win in 2024. I think either Tim or Rick Scott could win in 2024. I prefer DeSantis, but would joyfully support any of them. There may be other strong, good choices that I am not aware of. Hopefully the primaries will result in our strongest best candidate.

    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

     

    That is what a serious conservative/Republican does. Gary is not a serious conservative/Republican.

    With one exception (Tom Horne who has myriad ethical problems and was defeated in a Republican primary 8 years ago), I voted a straight Republican Ticket, except for Election Disputers. Every Republican I voted for won.

    So?  You’d get the same result from sticking your finger in the air.

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  5. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

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    I think DeSantis, Youngkin, and Abbott( sp?) could all win in 2024. I think either Tim or Rick Scott could win in 2024. I prefer DeSantis, but would joyfully support any of them. There may be other strong, good choices that I am not aware of. Hopefully the primaries will result in our strongest best candidate.

    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

     

    I will make no such commitment.

    No, neither will Never Trump after they demanded it from Trump himself.

    Never Trump are Hypocrites. 

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  6. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    I think DeSantis, Youngkin, and Abbott( sp?) could all win in 2024. I think either Tim or Rick Scott could win in 2024. I prefer DeSantis, but would joyfully support any of them. There may be other strong, good choices that I am not aware of. Hopefully the primaries will result in our strongest best candidate.

    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

     

    That is what a serious conservative/Republican does. Gary is not a serious conservative/Republican.

    With one exception (Tom Horne who has myriad ethical problems and was defeated in a Republican primary 8 years ago), I voted a straight Republican Ticket, except for Election Disputers. Every Republican I voted for won.

    You filed to run as a Democrat. 

    For somebody who harps on telling the whole story, you fail to mention that. 

    LOL

     

     

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  7. Saint Augustine Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    I think DeSantis, Youngkin, and Abbott( sp?) could all win in 2024. I think either Tim or Rick Scott could win in 2024. I prefer DeSantis, but would joyfully support any of them. There may be other strong, good choices that I am not aware of. Hopefully the primaries will result in our strongest best candidate.

    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

    That is what a serious conservative/Republican does. Gary is not a serious conservative/Republican.

    With one exception (Tom Horne who has myriad ethical problems and was defeated in a Republican primary 8 years ago), I voted a straight Republican Ticket, except for Election Disputers. Every Republican I voted for won.

    Is there something wrong with disputing an election result? Democrats do it all the time. You’ve probably voted for some that did. I thought what was wrong with them doing it was just that they never used any evidence.

    Speaking of evidence, what’s your objection to the evidence that changed my mind?

    https://ricochet.com/1334554/two-years-later-how-to-think-about-election-cheating-in-2020/

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  8. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    I think DeSantis, Youngkin, and Abbott( sp?) could all win in 2024. I think either Tim or Rick Scott could win in 2024. I prefer DeSantis, but would joyfully support any of them. There may be other strong, good choices that I am not aware of. Hopefully the primaries will result in our strongest best candidate.

    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

     

    That is what a serious conservative/Republican does. Gary is not a serious conservative/Republican.

    With one exception (Tom Horne who has myriad ethical problems and was defeated in a Republican primary 8 years ago), I voted a straight Republican Ticket, except for Election Disputers. Every Republican I voted for won.

    You filed to run as a Democrat.

    For somebody who harps on telling the whole story, you fail to mention that.

    LOL

    Bryan, you are lying by omisssion.  In Court, we swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.  You are not telling the whole truth.

    In 2012, I ran for Judge, and spent tens of thousands of dollars.  I campaigned throughout the county.  I got 44% of the vote which was the highest percentage of any Republican in the county.  Romney got a lower percentage in Coconino County, but won statewide by about 9 points.  I spent hundreds of hours in this effort.

    In 2014 I had cancer and did not run.

    In 2016 I took out nomination petitions, as a Democrat.  I gathered less than the 20 signatures on a page of nominating petitions.  I abandoned the effort in less than a month, on the Monday after a Super Bowl party where my opponent spoke easily and I stumbled about.   I spent only a few hours in the effort.  I never “filed to run” in that I never turned in the required 500+ signatures.

    My current presiding judge ran for judge twice and lost as a Republican.  Then he ran as a Democrat and won.  Still, I saw him at fund-raising parties for Republican candidates.  He is now our Presiding Judge.  He is a DINO.  

    Bryan, you will gain more credibility if you are careful to be 100% accurate in your allegations.  What you don’t like is that I am a different brand of Republican than you.  That does not excuse you lying by omission or misdirection.

    The fact remains that in 2022, (with the one exception of the disgraced Tom Horne), I voted a straight Republican ticket, except for people who were endorsed by Trump after they disputed the Biden election victory.  All of the Republicans I voted for won.  Democrats won statewide only where the Republicans they were running against had been endorsed by Trump in the Republican Primary. 

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  9. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    I think DeSantis, Youngkin, and Abbott( sp?) could all win in 2024. I think either Tim or Rick Scott could win in 2024. I prefer DeSantis, but would joyfully support any of them. There may be other strong, good choices that I am not aware of. Hopefully the primaries will result in our strongest best candidate.

    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

     

    That is what a serious conservative/Republican does. Gary is not a serious conservative/Republican.

    With one exception (Tom Horne who has myriad ethical problems and was defeated in a Republican primary 8 years ago), I voted a straight Republican Ticket, except for Election Disputers. Every Republican I voted for won.

    You filed to run as a Democrat.

    For somebody who harps on telling the whole story, you fail to mention that.

    LOL

    Bryan, you are lying by omisssion. In Court, we swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You are not telling the whole truth.

    In 2012, I ran for Judge, and spent tens of thousands of dollars. I campaigned throughout the county. I got 44% of the vote which was the highest percentage of any Republican in the county. Romney got a lower percentage in Coconino County, but won statewide by about 9 points. I spent hundreds of hours in this effort.

    In 2014 I had cancer and did not run.

    In 2016 I took out nomination petitions, as a Democrat. I gathered less than the 20 signatures on a page of nominating petitions. I abandoned the effort in less than a month, on the Monday after a Super Bowl party where my opponent spoke easily and I stumbled about. I spent only a few hours in the effort. I never “filed to run” in that I never turned in the required 500+ signatures.

    My current presiding judge ran for judge twice and lost as a Republican. Then he ran as a Democrat and won. Still, I saw him at fund-raising parties for Republican candidates. He is now our Presiding Judge. He is a DINO.

    Bryan, you will gain more credibility if you are careful to be 100% accurate in your allegations. What you don’t like is that I am a different brand of Republican than you. That does not excuse you lying by omission or misdirection.

    The fact remains that in 2022, (with the one exception of the disgraced Tom Horne), I voted a straight Republican ticket, except for people who were endorsed by Trump after they disputed the Biden election victory. All of the Republicans I voted for won. Democrats won statewide only where the Republicans they were running against had been endorsed by Trump in the Republican Primary.

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  10. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Filed the paperwork Gary. It is public record.

    You really are trying to parse this like a lawyer.

    It is all right there Gary.

    Calling me a liar is against the CoC, yet you keep doing it.

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Filed the paperwork Gary. It is public record.

    You really are trying to parse this like a lawyer.

    It is all right there Gary.

    Calling me a liar is against the CoC, yet you keep doing it.

    Yes Bryan.  I already said this.  I too out petitions to run as a Democrat in 2016.  I have not denied that.  But I did not file to run.  What does it mean that I filed to run.  “Filing” happens when you submit filled out petitions that people had signed.  In Coconino County that year it was over 500 signatures.  I had collected less than 20, when I abandoned the effort, the day after the Super Bowl.

    I am not calling you a “liar,” per se.  I have noticed that when one person at Ricochet calls another a liar, that word is redacted immediately by the mods.  I am sure that you have flagged that without a positive result. 

    I have said that you lied by omission, which you did, by not being candid.  Another way to say this is that you are pervaricating.  Another way to say this is that you are being disengious.  Another way is to say that you are being intentionally misleading.  But I think that the old Catholic catechism is most accurate, in that it distinguishes between lying by omission and lying by commission.  

    Every year, many, many more people take out petitions than ever file to run.

    Thank you for saying that I am parsing this like a lawyer.  To be more accurate, I am drawing very simple distinctions that you keep ignoring when you try to play “gotcha” with me.

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  12. Bob Thompson Member
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    @garyrobbins Is there a candidate in the field of possibles who will carry forward the populist agenda that the patriotic Americans have shown they want carried out?

    This must include a total rejection of the climate change movement to abandon fossil fuels unless the adoption of nuclear fuel as a replacement in adopted. It also must include a rejection of any moves to support a globalist agenda, in other words, there must be support for continued American national sovereignty without exception.

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    @ garyrobbins Is there a candidate in the field of possibles who will carry forward the populist agenda that the patriotic Americans have shown they want carried out?

    Doggone nearly every Republican.  

    This must include a total rejection of the climate change movement to abandon fossil fuels unless the adoption of nuclear fuel as a replacement in adopted. It also must include a rejection of any moves to support a globalist agenda, in other words, there must be support for continued American national sovereignty without exception.

    I don’t think that any of them will meet the absolute standards that you have set for forth, but many will come close.  Let’s not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

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  14. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Filed the paperwork Gary. It is public record.

    You really are trying to parse this like a lawyer.

    It is all right there Gary.

    Calling me a liar is against the CoC, yet you keep doing it.

    Yes Bryan. I already said this. I too out petitions to run as a Democrat in 2016. I have not denied that. But I did not file to run. What does it mean that I filed to run. “Filing” happens when you submit filled out petitions that people had signed. In Coconino County that year it was over 500 signatures. I had collected less than 20, when I abandoned the effort, the day after the Super Bowl.

    I am not calling you a “liar,” per se. I have noticed that when one person at Ricochet calls another a liar, that word is redacted immediately by the mods. I am sure that you have flagged that without a positive result.

    I have said that you lied by omission, which you did, by not being candid. Another way to say this is that you are pervaricating. Another way to say this is that you are being disengious. Another way is to say that you are being intentionally misleading. But I think that the old Catholic catechism is most accurate, in that it distinguishes between lying by omission and lying by commission.

    Every year, many, many more people take out petitions than ever file to run.

    Thank you for saying that I am parsing this like a lawyer. To be more accurate, I am drawing very simple distinctions that you keep ignoring when you try to play “gotcha” with me.

     We’re not in a court setting Gary. This is a conversation on a Web page so trying to apply court rules as ridiculous as ridiculous. Personally I’d love to have you up on the stand under oath with one of our attorneys grilling you on all this. It be lovely to see you forced to answer questions did you have always run away from.

     But more to the point. I got this form from public records. One commonly refers to public records just have been filed. You filled out the form and you put Democrat on it. Your goal was to run as a Democrat you filled out paperwork to run as a Democrat that paperwork was filed with the government. The fact that you weren’t able to get the minimum of number of signatures simply shows that you weren’t very good at running in this instance.  

    The simple facts are I have produced a piece of paper that’s a government document that says you intended to run as a Democrat and you filed paperwork to that effect. We know you filed paperwork without effect because I’ve shown that paperwork.

     Here you are like Bill Clinton arguing about what the meaning of the word is is. Good company.

     

     

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  15. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    @ garyrobbins Is there a candidate in the field of possibles who will carry forward the populist agenda that the patriotic Americans have shown they want carried out?

    Doggone nearly every Republican.

    This must include a total rejection of the climate change movement to abandon fossil fuels unless the adoption of nuclear fuel as a replacement in adopted. It also must include a rejection of any moves to support a globalist agenda, in other words, there must be support for continued American national sovereignty without exception.

    I don’t think that any of them will meet the absolute standards that you have set for forth, but many will come close. Let’s not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

    You do. You have. 

    It is  Pretty much the basis of almost every single post that you have on ricochet is making the perfect the enemy of the good.

     Your denial on this is so high it is amazing. 

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  16. Bob Thompson Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    This must include a total rejection of the climate change movement to abandon fossil fuels unless the adoption of nuclear fuel as a replacement in adopted. It also must include a rejection of any moves to support a globalist agenda, in other words, there must be support for continued American national sovereignty without exception.

    I don’t think that any of them will meet the absolute standards that you have set for forth, but many will come close.  Let’s not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

    Why would they need to fudge anything about these two requirements? We all know that the current climate change movement agenda cannot be followed without serious reductions in American economic activity resulting in reductions of our standard of living. Do you support that as a feature for an acceptable candidate?

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  17. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Filed the paperwork Gary. It is public record.

    You really are trying to parse this like a lawyer.

    It is all right there Gary.

    Calling me a liar is against the CoC, yet you keep doing it.

    Yes Bryan. I already said this. I too out petitions to run as a Democrat in 2016. I have not denied that. But I did not file to run. What does it mean that I filed to run. “Filing” happens when you submit filled out petitions that people had signed. In Coconino County that year it was over 500 signatures. I had collected less than 20, when I abandoned the effort, the day after the Super Bowl.

    I am not calling you a “liar,” per se. I have noticed that when one person at Ricochet calls another a liar, that word is redacted immediately by the mods. I am sure that you have flagged that without a positive result.

    I have said that you lied by omission, which you did, by not being candid. Another way to say this is that you are pervaricating. Another way to say this is that you are being disengious. Another way is to say that you are being intentionally misleading. But I think that the old Catholic catechism is most accurate, in that it distinguishes between lying by omission and lying by commission.

    Every year, many, many more people take out petitions than ever file to run.

    Thank you for saying that I am parsing this like a lawyer. To be more accurate, I am drawing very simple distinctions that you keep ignoring when you try to play “gotcha” with me.

    We’re not in a court setting Gary. This is a conversation on a Web page so trying to apply court rules as ridiculous as ridiculous. Personally I’d love to have you up on the stand under oath with one of our attorneys grilling you on all this. It be lovely to see you forced to answer questions did you have always run away from.

    I am using definitions from Catholic Catechism.  You are lying by omission.  Please stop it.

    But more to the point. I got this form from public records. One commonly refers to public records just have been filed. You filled out the form and you put Democrat on it. Your goal was to run as a Democrat you filled out paperwork to run as a Democrat that paperwork was filed with the government. The fact that you weren’t able to get the minimum of number of signatures simply shows that you weren’t very good at running in this instance.

    I abandoned the effort the Monday after the Super Bowl when after I was tongue-tied at a Super Bowl Party when my oponent and I both spoke.  During the week beforehand, my prior Presidening Judge came to my office and implored me to not run against a sitting judge.  Hey, I listened to others.  I gathered no more signatures.  If my oponent had passed away, or done something horrible, I could spring into action.  But I put no more effort into running.

    The simple facts are I have produced a piece of paper that’s a government document that says you intended to run as a Democrat and you filed paperwork to that effect. We know you filed paperwork without effect because I’ve shown that paperwork.

    I have never denied that I pulled the papers needed to file to run for office.  But I never filed them by the deadline in May or June 2016.

    Here you are like Bill Clinton arguing about what the meaning of the word is is. Good company.

    Bryan, you are not covering yourself in glory here.  I suggest that you cut out the “gotcha” and personal attacks.  

     

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  18. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    @ garyrobbins Is there a candidate in the field of possibles who will carry forward the populist agenda that the patriotic Americans have shown they want carried out?

    Doggone nearly every Republican.

    This must include a total rejection of the climate change movement to abandon fossil fuels unless the adoption of nuclear fuel as a replacement in adopted. It also must include a rejection of any moves to support a globalist agenda, in other words, there must be support for continued American national sovereignty without exception.

    I don’t think that any of them will meet the absolute standards that you have set for forth, but many will come close. Let’s not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

    You do. You have.

    It is Pretty much the basis of almost every single post that you have on ricochet is making the perfect the enemy of the good.

    Your denial on this is so high it is amazing.

    The only line I have drawn is Trump himself (or DJTJ).  Otherwise, I am willing to accept all of the other viable Republicans.  

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  19. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    This must include a total rejection of the climate change movement to abandon fossil fuels unless the adoption of nuclear fuel as a replacement in adopted. It also must include a rejection of any moves to support a globalist agenda, in other words, there must be support for continued American national sovereignty without exception.

    I don’t think that any of them will meet the absolute standards that you have set for forth, but many will come close. Let’s not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

    Why would they need to fudge anything about these two requirements? We all know that the current climate change movement agenda cannot be followed without serious reductions in American economic activity resulting in reductions of our standard of living. Do you support that as a feature for an acceptable candidate?

    I mostly agree with you about climate change.  While there is nominal climate change, it can be managed without destroying our country.

    I take issue with your notion that any candidate “must include a rejection of any moves to support a globalist agenda, in other words, there my be support for continued American national sovereignity without exception.”  Um, what does that mean?  That frankly sounds conspriatorial, using the word “globalist.”  Does that mean that we have to stand by while Russia rolls over Ukraine?  If so, count me out.  

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    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

     

    That is what a serious conservative/Republican does. Gary is not a serious conservative/Republican.

    With one exception (Tom Horne who has myriad ethical problems and was defeated in a Republican primary 8 years ago), I voted a straight Republican Ticket, except for Election Disputers. Every Republican I voted for won.

    You filed to run as a Democrat.

    For somebody who harps on telling the whole story, you fail to mention that.

    LOL

    Bryan, you are lying by omisssion. In Court, we swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You are not telling the whole truth.

    In 2012, I ran for Judge, and spent tens of thousands of dollars. I campaigned throughout the county. I got 44% of the vote which was the highest percentage of any Republican in the county. Romney got a lower percentage in Coconino County, but won statewide by about 9 points. I spent hundreds of hours in this effort.

    In 2014 I had cancer and did not run.

    In 2016 I took out nomination petitions, as a Democrat. I gathered less than the 20 signatures on a page of nominating petitions. I abandoned the effort in less than a month, on the Monday after a Super Bowl party where my opponent spoke easily and I stumbled about. I spent only a few hours in the effort. I never “filed to run” in that I never turned in the required 500+ signatures.

    My current presiding judge ran for judge twice and lost as a Republican. Then he ran as a Democrat and won. Still, I saw him at fund-raising parties for Republican candidates. He is now our Presiding Judge. He is a DINO.

    Bryan, you will gain more credibility if you are careful to be 100% accurate in your allegations. What you don’t like is that I am a different brand of Republican than you. That does not excuse you lying by omission or misdirection.

    The fact remains that in 2022, (with the one exception of the disgraced Tom Horne), I voted a straight Republican ticket, except for people who were endorsed by Trump after they disputed the Biden election victory. All of the Republicans I voted for won. Democrats won statewide only where the Republicans they were running against had been endorsed by Trump in the Republican Primary.

    That’s still no proof that other people voted for the same (lack of) reasons as you.  You assume so, perhaps just to make yourself feel better/important.

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    @ garyrobbins Is there a candidate in the field of possibles who will carry forward the populist agenda that the patriotic Americans have shown they want carried out?

    Doggone nearly every Republican.

    This must include a total rejection of the climate change movement to abandon fossil fuels unless the adoption of nuclear fuel as a replacement in adopted. It also must include a rejection of any moves to support a globalist agenda, in other words, there must be support for continued American national sovereignty without exception.

    I don’t think that any of them will meet the absolute standards that you have set for forth, but many will come close. Let’s not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

    You do. You have.

    It is Pretty much the basis of almost every single post that you have on ricochet is making the perfect the enemy of the good.

    Your denial on this is so high it is amazing.

    The only line I have drawn is Trump himself (or DJTJ). Otherwise, I am willing to accept all of the other viable Republicans.

    Fact check:  False.  You also refuse to accept all other viable Republicans if you think they are “election deniers.”

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  22. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    I totally agree. I am fine with any of these five. What I hope happens is that well before Iowa, most Republican candidates drop out, that Iowa narrows the field to three candidates, and New Hampshire narrows the field to two candidates.

    I will vote for whomever wins the nomination.

     

    That is what a serious conservative/Republican does. Gary is not a serious conservative/Republican.

    With one exception (Tom Horne who has myriad ethical problems and was defeated in a Republican primary 8 years ago), I voted a straight Republican Ticket, except for Election Disputers. Every Republican I voted for won.

    You filed to run as a Democrat.

    For somebody who harps on telling the whole story, you fail to mention that.

    LOL

    Bryan, you are lying by omisssion. In Court, we swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You are not telling the whole truth.

    In 2012, I ran for Judge, and spent tens of thousands of dollars. I campaigned throughout the county. I got 44% of the vote which was the highest percentage of any Republican in the county. Romney got a lower percentage in Coconino County, but won statewide by about 9 points. I spent hundreds of hours in this effort.

    In 2014 I had cancer and did not run.

    In 2016 I took out nomination petitions, as a Democrat. I gathered less than the 20 signatures on a page of nominating petitions. I abandoned the effort in less than a month, on the Monday after a Super Bowl party where my opponent spoke easily and I stumbled about. I spent only a few hours in the effort. I never “filed to run” in that I never turned in the required 500+ signatures.

    My current presiding judge ran for judge twice and lost as a Republican. Then he ran as a Democrat and won. Still, I saw him at fund-raising parties for Republican candidates. He is now our Presiding Judge. He is a DINO.

    Bryan, you will gain more credibility if you are careful to be 100% accurate in your allegations. What you don’t like is that I am a different brand of Republican than you. That does not excuse you lying by omission or misdirection.

    The fact remains that in 2022, (with the one exception of the disgraced Tom Horne), I voted a straight Republican ticket, except for people who were endorsed by Trump after they disputed the Biden election victory. All of the Republicans I voted for won. Democrats won statewide only where the Republicans they were running against had been endorsed by Trump in the Republican Primary.

    That’s still no proof that other people voted for the same (lack of) reasons as you. You assume so, perhaps just to make yourself feel better/important.

    Others have done an analysis of the impact of a Trump Primary Endorsement on the results of the General Election.  Henry Olsen of the Washington Post states at https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/22/arizona-midterm-election-denial-fraud-myth/:

    “The results from Arizona’s 1st Congressional District bear this out. The seat contains Scottsdale and other well-off, highly educated Phoenix suburbs. Its voters reelected GOP Rep. David Schweikert and gave [Kimberly] Yee more than 56 percent, as election analyst Drew Savicki reports. Yet they voted against all the other Republican statewide nominees, giving Democrats between 51 and 54 percent of the vote in every race. This is exactly what voters in these areas did in 2020, as Biden carried the seat with 50.1 percent. They will vote for a certain type of Republican, just not the uber-Trump backers they had on offer this year.

    “The same pattern held nationally this year. Trump-endorsed statewide candidates such as Georgia Senate candidate Herschel Walker and Pennsylvania Senate candidate Mehmet Oz did poorly in the educated suburbs around their states’ major cities. Philip Wallach of the American Enterprise Institute estimates that Trump-backed candidates in competitive House races ran five points behind the level mere partisanship would predict. All of the defeated Trumpy Arizonans lost by less than five points.”

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    @ garyrobbins Is there a candidate in the field of possibles who will carry forward the populist agenda that the patriotic Americans have shown they want carried out?

    Doggone nearly every Republican.

    This must include a total rejection of the climate change movement to abandon fossil fuels unless the adoption of nuclear fuel as a replacement in adopted. It also must include a rejection of any moves to support a globalist agenda, in other words, there must be support for continued American national sovereignty without exception.

    I don’t think that any of them will meet the absolute standards that you have set for forth, but many will come close. Let’s not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

    You do. You have.

    It is Pretty much the basis of almost every single post that you have on ricochet is making the perfect the enemy of the good.

    Your denial on this is so high it is amazing.

    The only line I have drawn is Trump himself (or DJTJ). Otherwise, I am willing to accept all of the other viable Republicans.

    Fact check: False. You also refuse to accept all other viable Republicans if you think they are “election deniers.”

    While many Republicans are “Election Skeptics” (including Kimberly Yee), only a few are “Election Deniers” (your phrase; I have been using “Election Disputers” recently.)

    DeSantis has not denied that Biden won in 2020, nor has Abbott, Youngkin, Christie, Pence, Ducey, Hogan, Sununu, Tim Scott or Rick Scott.  The only viable Republicans who have disputed that Biden won in 2020 are Trump and his son DJTJ.  

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  24. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    I’m not Catholic. 

     

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    @ garyrobbins Is there a candidate in the field of possibles who will carry forward the populist agenda that the patriotic Americans have shown they want carried out?

    Doggone nearly every Republican.

    This must include a total rejection of the climate change movement to abandon fossil fuels unless the adoption of nuclear fuel as a replacement in adopted. It also must include a rejection of any moves to support a globalist agenda, in other words, there must be support for continued American national sovereignty without exception.

    I don’t think that any of them will meet the absolute standards that you have set for forth, but many will come close. Let’s not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

    You do. You have.

    It is Pretty much the basis of almost every single post that you have on ricochet is making the perfect the enemy of the good.

    Your denial on this is so high it is amazing.

    The only line I have drawn is Trump himself (or DJTJ). Otherwise, I am willing to accept all of the other viable Republicans.

    Fact check: False. You also refuse to accept all other viable Republicans if you think they are “election deniers.”

    While many Republicans are “Election Skeptics” (including Kimberly Yee), only a few are “Election Deniers” (your phrase; I have been using “Election Disputers” recently.)

    DeSantis has not denied that Biden won in 2020, nor has Abbott, Youngkin, Christie, Pence, Ducey, Hogan, Sununu, Tim Scott or Rick Scott. The only viable Republicans who have disputed that Biden won in 2020 are Trump and his son DJTJ.

    That just means you’re cooking “viable” to meet your preconceptions.

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  26. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I’m not Catholic.

    Nor am I, but many of us are, and their distinction between lies of omission and lies of commission is helpful.

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I’m not Catholic.

    Nor am I, but many of us are, and their distinction between lies of omission and lies of commission is helpful.

    Nope. 

    I gave the facts, Gary. You just don’t like them.

    You can squirm all you want and make up Alan Shore like noises, but I am in fact right. 

    Denny Crane. 

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  28. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Bob Thompson: The Globalist movement led by the World Economic Forum (WEF) benefits from a century of groundwork by the Socialists and Communists in America culminating in the last 40 years with the hollowing out of America’s traditional institutions.

    i.e. 

    https://ricochet.com/podcast/federalist-radio-hour/a-lonely-america-is-a-broken-america/

     

     

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  29. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson: The Globalist movement led by the World Economic Forum (WEF) benefits from a century of groundwork by the Socialists and Communists in America culminating in the last 40 years with the hollowing out of America’s traditional institutions.

    i.e.

    https://ricochet.com/podcast/federalist-radio-hour/a-lonely-america-is-a-broken-america/

     

     

    The first thought this brought to mind is this is why they go after the family.

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  30. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    @ garyrobbins Is there a candidate in the field of possibles who will carry forward the populist agenda that the patriotic Americans have shown they want carried out?

    Doggone nearly every Republican.  

    You can’t be serious. 

    When you move off of elections and the electorate, basically, you don’t put any effort into those things. 

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