The Final Numbers from Arizona (13 Days After Election Edition)

 

You guys: On Monday, November 21, all counties in the state of Arizona finally finished counting the Election Day votes. And it only took them 13 days. In fact, two of the contests were so close that automatic recounts were triggered. Those won’t begin until after December 5 … another 14 days away.

Want to restore trust in the process, Arizona? Reform the bad election laws. For the last time, let’s go to the big board…

Governor

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
Kari Lake (R) 49.7% 1,270,774
√ Katie Hobbs (D) 50.3% 1,287,890

U.S. Senator (race called for Sen. Kelly, Friday, Nov. 11)

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
Blake Masters (R) 46.5% 1,190,643
√ Mark Kelly (D) 51.4% 1,315,771

Secretary of State (race called for Adrian Fontes, Friday, Nov. 11)

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
Mark Finchem (R) 47.6% 1,200,411
√ Adrian Fontes (D) 52.4% 1,320,618

Attorney General

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
Abe Hamadeh (R) 50.0% 1,254,102
* Kris Mayes (D) 50.0% 1,254,612

Treasurer (race called for Kimberly Yee, Saturday, Nov. 12)

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
√ Kimberly Yee (R) 55.7% 1,390,135
Martin Quezada (D) 44.3% 1,107,036

Superintendent of Public Instruction

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
* Tom Horne (R) 50.2% 1,255,977
Kathy Hoffman (D) 49.8% 1,247,009

None of the percentages shifted over the past week. Of course, these numbers are unofficial until certified on December 5. But we’re not out of the weeds yet!

An automatic recount is triggered when opposing candidates finish within 0.5 percent of the total votes. This applies to two races: Attorney General and Superintendent of Public Instruction. In the first, Kris Mayes (D) defeated Abe Hamadeh (R) by a mere 510 votes. In the second, Tom Horne (R) defeated incumbent Kathy Hoffman (D) by 8,968 votes.

Also, Arizona’s current Attorney General, Mark Brnovich (R), has demanded that Maricopa County officials provide a report on the tabulation machine problems on Election Day. By November 28, the county must detail the specific problems related to the printers at each polling location and how poll workers were trained.

Please note that your humble author sat next to Mark Brnovich in government class at Shadow Mountain High School. We would pass National Review issues back and forth, and drive our liberal teacher crazy with our anti-communist tirades. At the time, I worked as a highly acclaimed bag boy at Safeway. One afternoon, after we annoyed the teacher in class, he came into the store and bought a 12-pack of Meister Brau (a very, very cheap beer). After that, we called him “Meister Brau”; he didn’t like that either.

P.S. I worked with AG candidate Hamadeh at the Goldwater Institute, and AG candidate Mayes was my editor at Arizona State’s student newspaper. Knowing me is apparently a job requirement.

Previous Arizona Election Posts:

The Wednesday Wrap-up

The Tuesday Wrap-up

The Monday Wrap-up

The Sunday Wrap-up

The Saturday Wrap-up

The Friday Wrap-up

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  1. RufusRJones Member
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    ChrisShearer (View Comment):
    I’d like to return to an AZ Republican Party where Jon Kyl and John Shadegg were important figures.

    Socialism and populism are growing for actual, legitimate reasons even though those are mostly poor solutions. You have to solve for that. 

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    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

    It was simultaneously sad and hilarious listening to Mark Levin roast Bill Barr last week.

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em.

    So you will in effect support the Democrats. There are many at Ricochet who will call you names.

    The country and the party are free go in that direction and I am free to wave goodbye to them. There is no substantial difference between the GOPe and the Democrats on issues that matter to me.

    Unlike you, however, I won’t vote for the enemy so maybe they’ll give me a pass.

    But if Trump is an existential danger to the Republic and the Republican Party, Trump is the enemy, and the Democrats are the lesser evil.

    You’re still trying to spread that BS and I’m not buying. Trump is not the enemy. You are. Don’t waste my time.

    I am a member here just as you are. Ricochet has the right to kick me off their site, you don’t.

    The only place where you will ever be a good fit is Principles First. By the way, they are for universal pre-K now. lol

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  3. RufusRJones Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    One more reason to despise McConnell. He pulled money from other possibly winnable races to support Murkowski against Tshibaka. And she has been declared the winner.

    Lisa Murkowski and Mary Peltola Win Reelection in Alaska (townhall.com)

    This makes me absolutely insane. Tshibaka has an impressive résumé and was extremely impressive in interviews. 

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  4. RufusRJones Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    I’m going to assume that the difference between Kimberly Yee’s vote total and Kari Lake’s is not cross over Democrats but Republicans and Independents who chose to vote for some but not all candidates on the ballot. That’s about 120,000 votes. furthermore there are more total votes for the Governor’s race than the Treasurer’s race.

    As a conservative Independent I have no problem not voting in some races and voting in others. I have to believe I’m not alone. do you think Kimberly Yee “energized” the Trump voters as much as Kari Lake did? doubtful. And yet she got more votes than Ms. Lake. Kimberly Yee is not a squish, is not a RINO.

    there’s a clear lesson in these numbers. Does the Republican Party of Arizona understand that lesson.

     

    PS Telling “McCain Republicans” to “get the hell out” is not a smart late campaign strategy. Do you think in hindsight she wouldn’t have minded having, say 20,000, of those McCain Republicans voting for her?

    Hissy fit voters are not serious voters. They are more of a joke when liberty and prosperity are on the line.

    This is one hell of a situation. 

    Notice that Gary never says original anything about public policy. That crowd is about 90% like that. 

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    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    In 2024, when there is another republican administration – could consent decrees be used to force counties to better manage elections?

    A consent decree would be apporpriate if you can show me how any county did anything wrong. Given the polices enacted by our Republican Legislature, the counties did their jobs as quickly as can be expected.

    If you can’t produce results 2 weeks after an election. Your management may need to be reviewed.

    This is so true, and it is something to be at least embarrassed by.

    Change the law. Have a hard deadine for dropping off ballots. Do what Florida does.

    I’m not in your state you change the law. It’s your state that’s the embarrassment not mine. Weird for you to tell me to change the law when I don’t even vote in your state.

    Is there a move afoot to change the law?

    The law isn’t as much an embarrassment as the hissy fit voters.

    This is a good concept for analysis.

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    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    What I never quite grasped about the whole McCain/maverick thing is that there does not appear to be an ideological core at work–just the promise of occasional dissent theater.

    Exactly. He was a weathervane and would pick a few weird fights with his own party for the sake of it, or for some hidden interest. The MSM would praise him since they love red-on-red bloodletting.

    In AZ, the MAGA vs. NeverMAGA schism not only depressed GOP performance but turned off the indies. A point or two loss from GOP no-shows and defections, a point or two lost from disgruntled indies, and a point or two gained by Dems by means of better mobilization means that what should/could have been a set of healthy 4-5 point wins across the board turns into 1-3 point losses across the board–exactly what happened.

    This is key. Indies see both sides screaming at each other and decide to vote for the side with the least drama. Most voters couldn’t care less about ideology, and just want to be left alone. (And, since they aren’t ideological, they don’t understand that the left will never, ever leave them alone.)

    If they voted to be left alone, they will have a rude awakening when the Dems consolidate their power.

    Exactly.

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    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    The question is this. Given that there is a 5% or more penalty for selecting Trump, or an election disputer in battleground states, why in the world would you choose Trump or an election disputer when you can have a Pro-Life, NRA “A” rated Republican instead?

    Why would you pass on Trump to elect a Marxist?

    I really wish Gary would listen to Mark Levin.

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  8. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    A “moderate” Democrat is often the lesser of two evils compared to a Election Disputer.

    You are out of your mind. You don’t study this stuff.

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I am an American, a Conservative and a Republican in that order.  

    Can you say something original about public policy in this era or leave this place for Principles First?

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    Django (View Comment):
    Also, you are dense enough to believe there is such a thing as a “moderate” Democrat. That might have been true fifty years ago, but you can’t see that is no longer the case.

    I have thought about this over and over and this is the reality.

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    The purpose of the party leader is to re-elect all current members.  That included Murkowski.

    Everything Moves Left All Of The Time

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    The purpose of the party leader is to re-elect all current members. That included Murkowski.

    Where did you get that cockamamey rule? The purpose of the party is to elect the NOMINATED candidates. That’s what primaries are for. If an incumbent loses a primary, they are out. It’s the democratic process and that’s how it works. The party should have worked as one to elect Chewbacca and should have denounced the witch for running as an independent.

    This is another example of corruption that apparently you can’t see.

    Tbiska was the choice of the Alaska GOP.

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    The purpose of the party leader is to re-elect all current members. That included Murkowski.

    Where did you get that cockamamey rule? The purpose of the party is to elect the NOMINATED candidates. That’s what primaries are for. If an incumbent loses a primary, they are out. It’s the democratic process and that’s how it works. The party should have worked as one to elect Chewbacca and should have denounced the witch for running as an independent.

    This is another example of corruption that apparently you can’t see.

    Murkowski did not lose the primary. She was forwarded to the general election which was a ranked choice election.

    Of course, Trump had some $100 million in money collected that he could have used here, or in New Hampshire or Arizona, but he didn’t want to spend it.

    And ranked choice voting is a scam to help progressivism. It works perfectly every time. 

    The Duluth Minnesota Democrats, which are basically old Time union type Democrats, not crazy progressives, were so embarrassed by it they got rid of it.

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    r.

     

    In 2016 Arizona had a Republican Governor and two Republican Senator. Now after the 2022 election, for the first time since 1950, Arizona will have a Democrat Governor and two Democrat Senators. (We will also have a Democrat Secretary of State, and a Democrat Attorney General too.)

    Thank you Donald Trump.

    Correlation does require causation.

    My recollection is that you hated Trump long before “election denying” was a thing. So why did you hate Trump back then, huh? It’s a very convenient excuse, but just admit that it wasn’t the main reason for you.

    This is my view.

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    One more reason to despise McConnell. He pulled money from other possibly winnable races to support Murkowski against Tshibaka. And she has been declared the winner.

    Lisa Murkowski and Mary Peltola Win Reelection in Alaska (townhall.com)

    Good grief. Another six years of her perfidy is coming. Alaskans are as bad as Arizonans.

    Reports say that The Turtle spent $7+M to defeat Tshibaka. Pulled money from Bolduc and Masters to keep Murkowski around. The Alaska seat would have been in GOP hands if Tshibaka had won. She is a Republican as well. Just not a McConnell fan.

    The purpose of the party leader is to re-elect all current members. That included Murkowski.

    if Trump had not interfered in the Senate primaries, Ducey would have won in Arizona, and Sununu would have won in New Hampshire.

    Thank you Donald Trump!

    Trump did not vote in those elections. Thank the hissy fit voters in those states.

    I lived in Arizona for 30 years and I doubt many of the voters were thinking about “election deniers” when they voted.

    I doubt if they were thinking at all, just voting on feelings.

    This is my view. These people mostly dislike and are bad at discussing public policy.

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  15. RufusRJones Member
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    #VoteDemocrat 

     

     

     

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  16. RufusRJones Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

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    The question is this. Given that there is a 5% or more penalty for selecting Trump, or an election disputer in battleground states, why in the world would you choose Trump or an election disputer when you can have a Pro-Life, NRA “A” rated Republican instead?

    Why would you pass on Trump to elect a Marxist?

    I really wish Gary would listen to Mark Levin.

     

    @garyrobbins

     

    https://ricochet.com/podcast/federalist-radio-hour/a-lonely-america-is-a-broken-america/

     

     

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    What I never quite grasped about the whole McCain/maverick thing is that there does not appear to be an ideological core at work–just the promise of occasional dissent theater.

    Exactly. He was a weathervane and would pick a few weird fights with his own party for the sake of it, or for some hidden interest. The MSM would praise him since they love red-on-red bloodletting.

    In AZ, the MAGA vs. NeverMAGA schism not only depressed GOP performance but turned off the indies. A point or two loss from GOP no-shows and defections, a point or two lost from disgruntled indies, and a point or two gained by Dems by means of better mobilization means that what should/could have been a set of healthy 4-5 point wins across the board turns into 1-3 point losses across the board–exactly what happened.

    This is key. Indies see both sides screaming at each other and decide to vote for the side with the least drama. Most voters couldn’t care less about ideology, and just want to be left alone. (And, since they aren’t ideological, they don’t understand that the left will never, ever leave them alone.)

    I love this.

    But how could they possibly conclude that the Dims are producing the LEAST drama?

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    Good one!

    Simple image format, for easy sharing:

     

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    The purpose of the party leader is to re-elect all current members. That included Murkowski.

    Where did you get that cockamamey rule? The purpose of the party is to elect the NOMINATED candidates. That’s what primaries are for. If an incumbent loses a primary, they are out. It’s the democratic process and that’s how it works. The party should have worked as one to elect Chewbacca and should have denounced the witch for running as an independent.

    This is another example of corruption that apparently you can’t see.

    Murkowski did not lose the primary. She was forwarded to the general election which was a ranked choice election.

    Of course, Trump had some $100 million in money collected that he could have used here, or in New Hampshire or Arizona, but he didn’t want to spend it.

    And ranked choice voting is a scam to help progressivism. It works perfectly every time.

    The Duluth Minnesota Democrats, which are basically old Time union type Democrats, not crazy progressives, were so embarrassed by it they got rid of it.

     

    Principles First is officially for rank choice voting. 

     

     

     

     

     

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    The purpose of the party leader is to re-elect all current members. That included Murkowski.

    Where did you get that cockamamey rule? The purpose of the party is to elect the NOMINATED candidates. That’s what primaries are for. If an incumbent loses a primary, they are out. It’s the democratic process and that’s how it works. The party should have worked as one to elect Chewbacca and should have denounced the witch for running as an independent.

    This is another example of corruption that apparently you can’t see.

    Murkowski did not lose the primary. She was forwarded to the general election which was a ranked choice election.

    Of course, Trump had some $100 million in money collected that he could have used here, or in New Hampshire or Arizona, but he didn’t want to spend it.

    And ranked choice voting is a scam to help progressivism. It works perfectly every time.

    The Duluth Minnesota Democrats, which are basically old Time union type Democrats, not crazy progressives, were so embarrassed by it they got rid of it.

     

    Principles First is officially for rank choice voting.

     

     

     

     

     

    There could be a valid argument for some type of ranked choice voting, the problem really comes from how the Dimocrats want to evaluate them: in their favor, of course.

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  22. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    The purpose of the party leader is to re-elect all current members. That included Murkowski.

    Where did you get that cockamamey rule? The purpose of the party is to elect the NOMINATED candidates. That’s what primaries are for. If an incumbent loses a primary, they are out. It’s the democratic process and that’s how it works. The party should have worked as one to elect Chewbacca and should have denounced the witch for running as an independent.

    This is another example of corruption that apparently you can’t see.

    Murkowski did not lose the primary. She was forwarded to the general election which was a ranked choice election.

    Of course, Trump had some $100 million in money collected that he could have used here, or in New Hampshire or Arizona, but he didn’t want to spend it.

    And ranked choice voting is a scam to help progressivism. It works perfectly every time.

    The Duluth Minnesota Democrats, which are basically old Time union type Democrats, not crazy progressives, were so embarrassed by it they got rid of it.

     

    Principles First is officially for rank choice voting.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    There could be a valid argument for some type of ranked choice voting, the problem really comes from how the Dimocrats want to evaluate them: in their favor, of course.

    This has been discussed endlessly, here. It’s appropriate for a large group trying to pick out where to go to dinner or something, because it’s uncomplicated and patently transparent. It’s a bad idea in the election system. So no, there is no valid argument for rank choice voting unless you are a progressive trying to rig everything.

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    The purpose of the party leader is to re-elect all current members. That included Murkowski.

    Where did you get that cockamamey rule? The purpose of the party is to elect the NOMINATED candidates. That’s what primaries are for. If an incumbent loses a primary, they are out. It’s the democratic process and that’s how it works. The party should have worked as one to elect Chewbacca and should have denounced the witch for running as an independent.

    This is another example of corruption that apparently you can’t see.

    Murkowski did not lose the primary. She was forwarded to the general election which was a ranked choice election.

    Of course, Trump had some $100 million in money collected that he could have used here, or in New Hampshire or Arizona, but he didn’t want to spend it.

    And ranked choice voting is a scam to help progressivism. It works perfectly every time.

    The Duluth Minnesota Democrats, which are basically old Time union type Democrats, not crazy progressives, were so embarrassed by it they got rid of it.

     

    Principles First is officially for rank choice voting.

     

     

     

     

     

     

    There could be a valid argument for some type of ranked choice voting, the problem really comes from how the Dimocrats want to evaluate them: in their favor, of course.

    This has been discussed endlessly, here. It’s appropriate for a large group trying to pick out where to go to dinner or something, because it’s uncomplicated and patently transparent. It’s a bad idea in the election system. So no, there is no valid argument for rank choice voting unless you are a progressive trying to rig everything.

    Maybe it just needs to be applied to the candidates within a party, i.e. the primaries.  At the party’s choice.  That’s one valid argument I can think of.  But there might be good reasons to not allow it for general elections when there is a party structure, and perhaps not for supposedly “non-partisan” elections either.  Although there would be less reason for excluding ranked choice for “non-partisan” elections.

    As mentioned though, the real shenanigans don’t seem to be with ranked choice itself, but with how the choices are calculated and evaluated.  I can see how the Dims cook that for their benefit (“in round 2, x% of votes are allocated blah blah blah…”), but that doesn’t automatically exclude ranked choice per se.  Ranked choice doesn’t require being done the way the Dims choose to (ab)use it.  Although it’s true that having the structure to begin with might tend to invite such things.  But they do it with “regular” voting too.

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    kedavis (View Comment):
    Maybe it just needs to be applied to the candidates within a party, i.e. the primaries.  At the party’s choice.  That’s one valid argument I can think of.  But there might be good reasons to not allow it for general elections when there is a party structure, and perhaps not for supposedly “non-partisan” elections either.  Although there would be less reason for excluding ranked choice for “non-partisan” elections.

    This was brought up. You can’t control for good faith enough. It’s their business but I was pretty much persuaded by that.

    kedavis (View Comment):

    As mentioned though, the real shenanigans don’t seem to be with ranked choice itself, but with how the choices are calculated and evaluated.  I can see how the Dims cook that for their benefit (“in round 2, x% of votes are allocated blah blah blah…”), but that doesn’t automatically exclude ranked choice per se.  Ranked choice doesn’t require being done the way the Dims choose to (ab)use it.  Although it’s true that having the structure to begin with might tend to invite such things.  But they do it with “regular” voting too.

    I don’t think this is accurate. There is only one procedure for it, as far as I know and it has been talked about endlessly in Minnesota. If there were different systems I would be aware of it. They game it by who they run.

    kedavis (View Comment):
    But they do it with “regular” voting too.

    What specific example is germane to this discussion?

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    But they do it with “regular” voting too.

    What specific example is germane to this discussion?

    My argument there would be that the ballot harvesting etc is worse for general elections especially, a bigger problem than the few places that do ranked choice.

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    But they do it with “regular” voting too.

    What specific example is germane to this discussion?

    My argument there would be that the ballot harvesting etc is worse for general elections especially, a bigger problem than the few places that do ranked choice.

    The fundamental issue we are discussing  is the structure of the ballot not the capture and flow of the individual votes.

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    In Arizona, the Democrats have a sophicated GOTV program.

    It’s called ballot harvesting from the disinterested and infirmed.

    There is no excuse for supporting Democrats partly because of this un-American activity.

    Ballot harvesting in Arizona is illegal.  Democrats simply repeated went to people’s homes until they got their ballots in.

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    In Arizona, the Democrats have a sophicated GOTV program.

    It’s called ballot harvesting from the disinterested and infirmed.

    There is no excuse for supporting Democrats partly because of this un-American activity.

    Ballot harvesting in Arizona is illegal. Democrats simply repeated went to people’s homes until they got their ballots in.

    And of course, when something is illegal, it never, ever happens.

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    In Arizona, the Democrats have a sophicated GOTV program.

    It’s called ballot harvesting from the disinterested and infirmed.

    There is no excuse for supporting Democrats partly because of this un-American activity.

    Ballot harvesting in Arizona is illegal. Democrats simply repeated went to people’s homes until they got their ballots in.

    Then it’s Democrat government institutionalized ballot harvesting. Same effect as whatever you or anyone else defines illegal ballot harvesting to be. 

    If they are getting ballots to the disinterested and the infirmed, that is what it is.

     

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  30. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    And the utter and total incompetency has disproportionally disenfranchised Republicans. 

    No comment from the Democrats claiming to be Republicans on that one. 

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