The Final Numbers from Arizona (13 Days After Election Edition)

 

You guys: On Monday, November 21, all counties in the state of Arizona finally finished counting the Election Day votes. And it only took them 13 days. In fact, two of the contests were so close that automatic recounts were triggered. Those won’t begin until after December 5 … another 14 days away.

Want to restore trust in the process, Arizona? Reform the bad election laws. For the last time, let’s go to the big board…

Governor

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
Kari Lake (R) 49.7% 1,270,774
√ Katie Hobbs (D) 50.3% 1,287,890

U.S. Senator (race called for Sen. Kelly, Friday, Nov. 11)

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
Blake Masters (R) 46.5% 1,190,643
√ Mark Kelly (D) 51.4% 1,315,771

Secretary of State (race called for Adrian Fontes, Friday, Nov. 11)

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
Mark Finchem (R) 47.6% 1,200,411
√ Adrian Fontes (D) 52.4% 1,320,618

Attorney General

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
Abe Hamadeh (R) 50.0% 1,254,102
* Kris Mayes (D) 50.0% 1,254,612

Treasurer (race called for Kimberly Yee, Saturday, Nov. 12)

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
√ Kimberly Yee (R) 55.7% 1,390,135
Martin Quezada (D) 44.3% 1,107,036

Superintendent of Public Instruction

Candidate Percentage Vote Total
* Tom Horne (R) 50.2% 1,255,977
Kathy Hoffman (D) 49.8% 1,247,009

None of the percentages shifted over the past week. Of course, these numbers are unofficial until certified on December 5. But we’re not out of the weeds yet!

An automatic recount is triggered when opposing candidates finish within 0.5 percent of the total votes. This applies to two races: Attorney General and Superintendent of Public Instruction. In the first, Kris Mayes (D) defeated Abe Hamadeh (R) by a mere 510 votes. In the second, Tom Horne (R) defeated incumbent Kathy Hoffman (D) by 8,968 votes.

Also, Arizona’s current Attorney General, Mark Brnovich (R), has demanded that Maricopa County officials provide a report on the tabulation machine problems on Election Day. By November 28, the county must detail the specific problems related to the printers at each polling location and how poll workers were trained.

Please note that your humble author sat next to Mark Brnovich in government class at Shadow Mountain High School. We would pass National Review issues back and forth, and drive our liberal teacher crazy with our anti-communist tirades. At the time, I worked as a highly acclaimed bag boy at Safeway. One afternoon, after we annoyed the teacher in class, he came into the store and bought a 12-pack of Meister Brau (a very, very cheap beer). After that, we called him “Meister Brau”; he didn’t like that either.

P.S. I worked with AG candidate Hamadeh at the Goldwater Institute, and AG candidate Mayes was my editor at Arizona State’s student newspaper. Knowing me is apparently a job requirement.

Previous Arizona Election Posts:

The Wednesday Wrap-up

The Tuesday Wrap-up

The Monday Wrap-up

The Sunday Wrap-up

The Saturday Wrap-up

The Friday Wrap-up

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    Quickz (View Comment):

    Funny thought I just had – the whole, “candidates matter” argument. Let’s say “establishment-approved” candidates are nominated for the whole slate of AZ offices, and they also lose by equal amount of votes, with Yee still winning by about 120,000… what would people say?

    That MAGA tanked the AZ candidates? Or .. did candidates matter – just the other way?

    We all know the framing would be drastically different than, “candidates matter” – why?

    Who am I kidding! Haha. They would have won because all the MAGA/Amer1st/Tea Party folks would have voted the party line. It would seem that only one sub-set of the national GOP is interested in losing elections.

    If that is true, then … who’s the actual outlier, the ones *actually* at fault for losing?

    Exactly.  But they never seem to recognize themselves.  Maybe because they don’t appear in a mirror?

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    Quickz (View Comment):

    Just a couple of points to close out my night about what winning really is, and what it is not. Winning is being able to see, as Reagan says, part of that loaf you wanted realized. Yes, whole loaf is best, but part of that loaf is fine.

    We now know what wins. Conservatism wins.

    This is in reference to one office winning – the treasurer. No, this is not winning. Winning would have been tactically putting your political difference aside and voting for conservative governance. Having AG, Gov, SoS, and a Senator enables implementation of policy and conservative governing. Having lost all those offices and having a Treasures is not winning. It’s actually a tactical failure. We all can have differences in policy, please learn to vote for policy and governance, like every sub-group of the party has learned.

    Change the law. Have a hard deadine for dropping off ballots. Do what Florida does.

    I would be curious as to why the last legislature and Governor did not fix this. Were there not a number of bills that failed by one or two votes? Who were those folks? Worse still, if the new legislature attempts to “fix” this mess – it will be vetoed. Because you didn’t vote for the candidate that would give you part of the loaf – like Reagan says – so you are, again, not winning.

    …denier…

    This is very unhelpful. Plenty of ink spilled by multiple conservative outlets denouncing the use of this word. Your political opposition branded it and began pushing it. I didn’t like my recent Gov. pick because of language he used regarding some pandemic-related thing. I voted for him, because the alternative was bad. I never referred to him as a “science denier” – because it’s a known pejorative, and a lefty smear-term. I did voice my displeasure in his adopting of certain terms and language – but made sure to forcefully and full-throatedly endorse his superior policy and governing philosophy as a Republican as plenty good reasons to vote for him.

    Because I want to win. To get, like Reagan said, half a loaf. To not violate the 11th rule of politics, as Reagan quoted from his State GOP Chairman, and badmouth the candidate – EVEN if others have violated this rule, I will bury the hatched to tactically win. Winners govern and legislate. Losers – well sometimes I guess they can balance their state checkbook with down ballot victories, but BIG missed opportunities remain something to properly address.

    Cut the crusts from your heart, discard the heels of the loaf in compromise and enjoy a sandwich of winning next time please, your country might depend on it one day.

    I can’t help thinking that if he had the opportunity, Reagan would give Gary a serious B****-slap.

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  3. carcat74 Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

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  4. Django Member
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    carcat74 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

    It was simultaneously sad and hilarious listening to Mark Levin roast Bill Barr last week. 

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em. 

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  5. carcat74 Member
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    Remember what biden said during the campaign? The Democrats have built the most extensive voter fraud…….

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

    It was simultaneously sad and hilarious listening to Mark Levin roast Bill Barr last week.

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em.

    So you will in effect support the Democrats.  There are many at Ricochet who will call you names.

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  7. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

    It was simultaneously sad and hilarious listening to Mark Levin roast Bill Barr last week.

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em.

    So you will in effect support the Democrats. There are many at Ricochet who will call you names.

    The country and the party are free go in that direction and I am free to wave goodbye to them. There is no substantial difference between the GOPe and the Democrats on issues that matter to me.

    Unlike you, however, I won’t vote for the enemy so maybe they’ll give me a pass.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

    It was simultaneously sad and hilarious listening to Mark Levin roast Bill Barr last week.

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em.

     

    So you will in effect support the Democrats. There are many at Ricochet who will call you names.

    The country and the party are free go in that direction and I am free to wave goodbye to it. There is no substantial difference between the GOPe and the Democrats on issues that matter to me.

    Unlike you, however, I won’t vote for the enemy so maybe they’ll give me a pass.

    And Gary doesn’t realize that you would vote for the people that “force” Gary to vote for Democrats.

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  9. Al French Moderator
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Change the law.  Have a hard deadine for dropping off ballots.

    You live in Arizona. With only a few exceptions, the rest of us don’t. Why don’t you focus your energy over the next 18 months on changing it. Fix what you perceive to be wrong with Prop 309 and work to get it passed.

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  10. Quickz Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Quickz (View Comment):

    Just a couple of points to close out my night about what winning really is, and what it is not. Winning is being able to see, as Reagan says, part of that loaf you wanted realized. Yes, whole loaf is best, but part of that loaf is fine.

    We now know what wins. Conservatism wins.

    This is in reference to one office winning – the treasurer. No, this is not winning. Winning would have been tactically putting your political difference aside and voting for conservative governance. Having AG, Gov, SoS, and a Senator enables implementation of policy and conservative governing. Having lost all those offices and having a Treasures is not winning. It’s actually a tactical failure. We all can have differences in policy, please learn to vote for policy and governance, like every sub-group of the party has learned.

    NO. Trump is not conservative governance. Trump insisted that candidates literally lie about the 2020 election. I will never, ever, under any circumstance, forgive that.

    You quoted my words that are commenting on State and Federal Senate level candidates and what *they* could have done with tactical Republican support. The former President was not mentioned.

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  11. Quickz Member
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    Django (View Comment):

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em.

    I don’t see a path in which either of those candidates wins the GOP primary, but if one of them did – I will surely vote for them over their Democratic opponent. as Mark Levin has stated on a few ocasions (that I can recall from my past listening to him) I would vote for an Orange-Juice can over their nominee every day of the week and twice on Saturday.

    Even if what I consider a GOPe person is in office it will be better for the broader movement than if the opposition is in that office. The Tea Party and then Maga grew over the past dozen or so years, all the while losing many elections, and while seeing a steady stream of GOPe hold leadership roles. It did not finish the movement, in fact it has grown in strength.

    The Freedom Caucus is getting concessions from McCarthy (and will with whoever seeks to replace him should he fail to get the votes) in his quest for the Speaker’s Gavel. The number three role was almost won by a MAGA/Tea Party Rep. Jim Banks, narrowly losing the election to GOPe Rep. Tom Emmer.

    This takes a looong time, and we are winning. Stay the course.

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  12. Gary Robbins Member
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    Django (View Comment):

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    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

    It was simultaneously sad and hilarious listening to Mark Levin roast Bill Barr last week.

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em.

    So you will in effect support the Democrats. There are many at Ricochet who will call you names.

    The country and the party are free go in that direction and I am free to wave goodbye to them. There is no substantial difference between the GOPe and the Democrats on issues that matter to me.

    Unlike you, however, I won’t vote for the enemy so maybe they’ll give me a pass.

    But if Trump is an existential danger to the Republic and the Republican Party, Trump is the enemy, and the Democrats are the lesser evil.

    • #72
  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    The question is this.  Given that there is a 5% or more penalty for selecting Trump, or an election disputer in battleground states, why in the world would you choose Trump or an election disputer when you can have a Pro-Life, NRA “A” rated Republican instead?

    • #73
  14. Django Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    carcat74 (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

    It was simultaneously sad and hilarious listening to Mark Levin roast Bill Barr last week.

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em.

    So you will in effect support the Democrats. There are many at Ricochet who will call you names.

    The country and the party are free go in that direction and I am free to wave goodbye to them. There is no substantial difference between the GOPe and the Democrats on issues that matter to me.

    Unlike you, however, I won’t vote for the enemy so maybe they’ll give me a pass.

    But if Trump is an existential danger to the Republic and the Republican Party, Trump is the enemy, and the Democrats are the lesser evil.

    You’re still trying to spread that BS and I’m not buying. Trump is not the enemy. You are. Don’t waste my time. 

    • #74
  15. ChrisShearer Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Quickz (View Comment):

    ChrisShearer (View Comment):

    PS Telling “McCain Republicans” to “get the hell out” is not a smart late campaign strategy. Do you think in hindsight she wouldn’t have minded having, say 20,000, of those McCain Republicans voting for her?

    I totally think she made a mistake saying that. I don’t know what happened behind the scenes, but everyone should have come together and rallied around those who were nominated. I have a feeling that it was not just one person who dropped something into the proverbial punchbowl – it was likely many people who didn’t want to work together. Real shame.

    Never trumpers demand that we rally around their candidates while refusing devote for others.

    There are total and utter hypocrites.

    We have to stop with the “never Trumpers” meme.  there are many who will not vote for Trump but who consider those who Trump likes or who speak kindly of Trump who they will vote for.  In AZ there was a spectrum of Trump-like candidates from Kari Lake (who’s most common poster placed side by side with Trump) to Masters who kinda forgot Trump after the primary. 

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  16. carcat74 Member
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    Moderator Note:

    Please don't create insulting hypotheticals about other members. Even when you don't agree with them, try to be polite.

    [redacted]

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  17. ChrisShearer Coolidge
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    And I will return to my original point.  If you’re a Republican candidate in AZ you’ll need to figure out how to appeal to Independents (or at least how not to turn them off).  I think Kirsten Sinema understands this.  Mark Kelly understands that only insofar that he can package it into an ad.  I think Masters understood that.  

    I’d like to return to an AZ Republican Party where Jon Kyl and John Shadegg were important figures.

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  18. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    ChrisShearer (View Comment):

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    Quickz (View Comment):

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    PS Telling “McCain Republicans” to “get the hell out” is not a smart late campaign strategy. Do you think in hindsight she wouldn’t have minded having, say 20,000, of those McCain Republicans voting for her?

    I totally think she made a mistake saying that. I don’t know what happened behind the scenes, but everyone should have come together and rallied around those who were nominated. I have a feeling that it was not just one person who dropped something into the proverbial punchbowl – it was likely many people who didn’t want to work together. Real shame.

    Never trumpers demand that we rally around their candidates while refusing devote for others.

    There are total and utter hypocrites.

    We have to stop with the “never Trumpers” meme. there are many who will not vote for Trump but who consider those who Trump likes or who speak kindly of Trump who they will vote for. In AZ there was a spectrum of Trump-like candidates from Kari Lake (who’s most common poster placed side by side with Trump) to Masters who kinda forgot Trump after the primary.

    I will vote for the Nominee of the GOP in 2024.

    Never Trumpers will not.

    I am more concerned with winning than they are. I am damn sure a better Republican.

     

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  19. Skyler Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

    It was simultaneously sad and hilarious listening to Mark Levin roast Bill Barr last week.

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em.

    So you will in effect support the Democrats. There are many at Ricochet who will call you names.

    The country and the party are free go in that direction and I am free to wave goodbye to them. There is no substantial difference between the GOPe and the Democrats on issues that matter to me.

    Unlike you, however, I won’t vote for the enemy so maybe they’ll give me a pass.

    But if Trump is an existential danger to the Republic and the Republican Party, Trump is the enemy, and the Democrats are the lesser evil.

    As the Spartans say, “If.”

    • #79
  20. Skyler Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The question is this. Given that there is a 5% or more penalty for selecting Trump, or an election disputer in battleground states, why in the world would you choose Trump or an election disputer when you can have a Pro-Life, NRA “A” rated Republican instead?

    First, because politicians of the GOPe have been claiming to be conservative and yet Souter, O’Connor, Kennedy, and Roberts stabbed us in the back.

    Second, the NRA has only one goal which is to raise money. They did NOTHING to advance second amendment rights and actually worked to spike the Heller case.   I don’t give a fig for what the NRA says.

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  21. Gary Robbins Member
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    Django (View Comment):

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    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

    It was simultaneously sad and hilarious listening to Mark Levin roast Bill Barr last week.

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em.

    So you will in effect support the Democrats. There are many at Ricochet who will call you names.

    The country and the party are free go in that direction and I am free to wave goodbye to them. There is no substantial difference between the GOPe and the Democrats on issues that matter to me.

    Unlike you, however, I won’t vote for the enemy so maybe they’ll give me a pass.

    But if Trump is an existential danger to the Republic and the Republican Party, Trump is the enemy, and the Democrats are the lesser evil.

    You’re still trying to spread that BS and I’m not buying. Trump is not the enemy. You are. Don’t waste my time.

    I am a member here just as you are.  Ricochet has the right to kick me off their site, you don’t.

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  22. Gary Robbins Member
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    ChrisShearer (View Comment):

    And I will return to my original point. If you’re a Republican candidate in AZ you’ll need to figure out how to appeal to Independents (or at least how not to turn them off). I think Kirsten Sinema understands this. Mark Kelly understands that only insofar that he can package it into an ad. I think Masters understood that.

    I’d like to return to an AZ Republican Party where Jon Kyl and John Shadegg were important figures.

    Doug Ducey is the most conservative Republican Governor in memory.  He reduced taxes every year.  He expanded the Arizona Supreme Court adding two conservative Justices.  He was perfect, except he refused to throw the 2020 election for Trump.  He would have beaten Mark Kelly like a mule.  Hopefully, he will replace Krysten Sinema in 2024.

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    ChrisShearer (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Quickz (View Comment):

    ChrisShearer (View Comment):

    PS Telling “McCain Republicans” to “get the hell out” is not a smart late campaign strategy. Do you think in hindsight she wouldn’t have minded having, say 20,000, of those McCain Republicans voting for her?

    I totally think she made a mistake saying that. I don’t know what happened behind the scenes, but everyone should have come together and rallied around those who were nominated. I have a feeling that it was not just one person who dropped something into the proverbial punchbowl – it was likely many people who didn’t want to work together. Real shame.

    Never trumpers demand that we rally around their candidates while refusing devote for others.

    There are total and utter hypocrites.

    We have to stop with the “never Trumpers” meme. there are many who will not vote for Trump but who consider those who Trump likes or who speak kindly of Trump who they will vote for. In AZ there was a spectrum of Trump-like candidates from Kari Lake (who’s most common poster placed side by side with Trump) to Masters who kinda forgot Trump after the primary.

    I will vote for the Nominee of the GOP in 2024.

    Never Trumpers will not.

    I am more concerned with winning than they are. I am damn sure a better Republican.

    I will vote for any Republican other than Trump or DJTJ.  There is a 5% penalty in the general election in battleground states for Election Disputers.  Choose wisely.

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  24. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    PS Telling “McCain Republicans” to “get the hell out” is not a smart late campaign strategy. Do you think in hindsight she wouldn’t have minded having, say 20,000, of those McCain Republicans voting for her?

    I totally think she made a mistake saying that. I don’t know what happened behind the scenes, but everyone should have come together and rallied around those who were nominated. I have a feeling that it was not just one person who dropped something into the proverbial punchbowl – it was likely many people who didn’t want to work together. Real shame.

    Never trumpers demand that we rally around their candidates while refusing devote for others.

    There are total and utter hypocrites.

    We have to stop with the “never Trumpers” meme. there are many who will not vote for Trump but who consider those who Trump likes or who speak kindly of Trump who they will vote for. In AZ there was a spectrum of Trump-like candidates from Kari Lake (who’s most common poster placed side by side with Trump) to Masters who kinda forgot Trump after the primary.

    I will vote for the Nominee of the GOP in 2024.

    Never Trumpers will not.

    I am more concerned with winning than they are. I am damn sure a better Republican.

    I will vote for any Republican other than Trump or DJTJ. There is a 5% penalty in the general election in battleground states for Election Disputers. Choose wisely.

    I will vote for whomever wins the Nomination. That is my choice. 

     

     

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  25. Gary Robbins Member
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    Rocks are hard, water is wet, it is hot in Phoenix in the summer, cold in Flagstaff in the winter and the sun rises in the east.  Another truth proven by the last election is that there is a 5% penalty for choosing Trump or an election disputer in battleground states.

    You don’t like that?  Too bad.  Try telling the sun to rise in the west.

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  26. Painter Jean Moderator
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    PS Telling “McCain Republicans” to “get the hell out” is not a smart late campaign strategy. Do you think in hindsight she wouldn’t have minded having, say 20,000, of those McCain Republicans voting for her?

    I totally think she made a mistake saying that. I don’t know what happened behind the scenes, but everyone should have come together and rallied around those who were nominated. I have a feeling that it was not just one person who dropped something into the proverbial punchbowl – it was likely many people who didn’t want to work together. Real shame.

    Never trumpers demand that we rally around their candidates while refusing devote for others.

    There are total and utter hypocrites.

    Never Trumpers cannot get one of our candidates elected. But we can veto “Biden Election Deniers.” A successful 2024 nominee will be someone who supported Trump in 2016 and 2020, but refused to go along with the Trump “Big Lie.”

    Since the term election denier is okay and moderators is specifically told us not to flag your use of it I believe I’m going to start using Fraud Denier.

    And this is an incompetent state. I’d be really ashamed. Then again, I didn’t vote for Biden.

    Edited with better Suggestion!

    I don’t mind being called a denier of any sort, to be honest, as long as it’s fairly accurate. So, in this case, I don’t think that the term is quite right because I don’t deny that there was fraud in the 2020 election. Actually, I think there’s probably fraud in most of our elections. But I don’t believe that there was enough fraud in the 2020 election to overturn the result, and I certainly don’t think Trump won in a landslide as he claims. So, how about calling me a “Trump Victory Denier”?

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Rocks are hard, water is wet, it is hot in Phoenix in the summer, cold in Flagstaff in the winter and the sun rises in the east. Another truth proven by the last election is that there is a 5% penalty for choosing Trump or an election disputer in battleground states.

    You don’t like that? Too bad. Try telling the sun to rise in the west.

    I will vote for whomever wins the GOP Nomination. 

     

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  28. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Just in case it is not clear:

    I will vote for whomever wins the GOP Nomination. 

    Anyone who cannot say that, in my mind, is not really interested in the future of America. 

     

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  29. Django Member
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    I would be embarrassed to be a citizen of Arizona.

    Georgia makes national News of how bad our voting system is. We got done ages ago.

    I am proud to be an Arizonan. When given the opportunity, we gave a landslide victory to a Pro-Life, NRA Rated “A” candidate who seconded Trump’s nomination at the 2020 Convention, and is for Lower Taxes and Less Regulation. The only place Kimberly Yee differed with Trump is that she is not a “Biden Election Denier.” Otherwise she is a 100% conservative.

    The statewide Republicans who lost were all “Biden Election Deniers.” Arizonans rejected that b.s., as has former A.G. William Barr.

    And I reject bill barr….

    It was simultaneously sad and hilarious listening to Mark Levin roast Bill Barr last week.

    Anyway, I never heard of this guy, but his comment rings true to me. The GOPe is happy to let MAGA people twist in the wind. Next, they’ll be supporting some slug like Hogan, or maybe Christie. ‘eff ’em.

    So you will in effect support the Democrats. There are many at Ricochet who will call you names.

    The country and the party are free go in that direction and I am free to wave goodbye to them. There is no substantial difference between the GOPe and the Democrats on issues that matter to me.

    Unlike you, however, I won’t vote for the enemy so maybe they’ll give me a pass.

    But if Trump is an existential danger to the Republic and the Republican Party, Trump is the enemy, and the Democrats are the lesser evil.

    You’re still trying to spread that BS and I’m not buying. Trump is not the enemy. You are. Don’t waste my time.

    I am a member here just as you are. Ricochet has the right to kick me off their site, you don’t.

    Another one of your non sequiturs. I did not mention ricochet kicking you off the site, nor did I advocate that. If this is an example of your mental processes, I can see how you can swallow the idea that Trump is an existential threat. 

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  30. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    One more reason to despise McConnell. He pulled money from other possibly winnable races to support Murkowski against Tshibaka. And she has been declared the winner. 

    Lisa Murkowski and Mary Peltola Win Reelection in Alaska (townhall.com) 

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