Wave Turns into a Splash

 

What else is to be expected from a party with no vision, no national message, and no will? It is an indictment of the stale principles and ethos of this party that what should have been an easy sweep is a trickle. The leadership should be scuttled. We need more than a party that promises to just clean up whatever mess Democrats make.

It’s clear from how the major cities are voting that crime can triple and they do not give a damn. The GOP needs to stop responding to Democrat crime and Democrat policies. It needs a vision of how the country will look and what they will do with our criminal justice system. What should it look like? What should be dismantled? What new institutions should be built and why? What is the goal of being a nation and what shared identity and mission do we have?

If it is more gibberish about free markets and small government that unites us, then expect no better than this. Expect never to sweep away Democrat control of the institutions. Expect trickle elections. Expect not much change except the temporary slowing of our trajectory. This is an opportunity to demand new leadership finally. A wave would have allowed their rotten grip to maintain. Having a slight edge with enough new seatholders who don’t care for current leadership is what we need to start dismantling the top of the party and remake it into a force worth something.

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  1. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%. 

    The problem is the electorate. 

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  2. Viruscop Member
    Viruscop
    @Viruscop

    If you guys actually cared about this, you would tear the masters of the GOP limb from limb, pound them into dust, and scatter their wealth amongst the downtrodden masses.

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  3. GlenEisenhardt Coolidge
    GlenEisenhardt
    @GlenEisenhardt

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    I agree. And guys like Pat Bunchanan warned about this 30 years ago. They were ejected from the party. Time to eject the losers who brought us here or let them keep repeating the bromides the GOP repeats for even more time and wasted cycles. 

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Seems like I got out of Arizona just in time.

    • #4
  5. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Donald Trump is the dark force that swung this election.   Today he suggested that he might announce for President earlier than November 14th.  That probably juiced up 2% of the vote for Democrats.  That was enough to electrify Independents, and lazy Democrats to get them to the polls.

    In race after race, Trump endorsed primary candidates went down to defeat.  See MI-3.  See MA Gov.  See MD Gov.  See ME Gov.  See MI SoS.  See NM SoS.  These were winnable races.  

    In Arizona, the four top races for Senate, Governor, Secretary of State and AG all went to Trump endorsed candidates; all four are losing right now.  In Arizona, the only state-wide Republican Candidate who is winning a contested race is Kimberly Yee, who I contributed to and who I voted for.  As of now, the top Republican in the Arizona will be the State Treasurer, Kimberly Yee.  

    Here is the brutal truth.  You can nominate Dole-McCain-Romney-Bush=Reagan Republicans and win general elections.  Or you can nominate Trump candidates and lose general elections.  The choice is yours.

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  6. Viruscop Member
    Viruscop
    @Viruscop

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Donald Trump is the dark force that swung this election. Today he suggested that he might announce for President earlier than November 14th. That probably juiced up 2% of the vote for Democrats. That was enough to electrify Independents, and lazy Democrats to get them to the polls.

    In race after race, Trump endorsed primary candidates went down to defeat. See MI-3. See MA Gov. See MD Gov. See ME Gov. See MI SoS. See NM SoS. These were winnable races.

    In Arizona, the four top races for Senate, Governor, Secretary of State and AG all went to Trump endorsed candidates; all four are losing right now. In Arizona, the only state-wide Republican Candidate who is winning a contested race is Kimberly Yee, who I contributed to and who I voted for. As of now, the top Republican in the Arizona will be the State Treasurer, Kimberly Yee.

    Here is the brutal truth. You can nominate Dole-McCain-Romney-Bush=Reagan Republicans and win general elections. Or you can nominate Trump candidates and lose general elections. The choice is yours.

    Your predictions were very wrong. The midterm is shaping up to be a triumph of the Democratic Party.

    • #6
  7. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Donald Trump is the dark force that swung this election. Today he suggested that he might announce for President earlier than November 14th. That probably juiced up 2% of the vote for Democrats. That was enough to electrify Independents, and lazy Democrats to get them to the polls.

    In race after race, Trump endorsed primary candidates went down to defeat. See MI-3. See MA Gov. See MD Gov. See ME Gov. See MI SoS. See NM SoS. These were winnable races.

    In Arizona, the four top races for Senate, Governor, Secretary of State and AG all went to Trump endorsed candidates; all four are losing right now. In Arizona, the only state-wide Republican Candidate who is winning a contested race is Kimberly Yee, who I contributed to and who I voted for. As of now, the top Republican in the Arizona will be the State Treasurer, Kimberly Yee.

    Here is the brutal truth. You can nominate Dole-McCain-Romney-Bush=Reagan Republicans and win general elections. Or you can nominate Trump candidates and lose general elections. The choice is yours.

    We are toast. Nominate any of those types and all MAGA folks will stay home. Might as well have Democrats. My group — you are not a part of it —  lose either way. You got what you wanted: Democrats in office. Stop pretending that you didn’t want that.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Gary is determined to believe Trump is behind all of this, but before I left Arizona I never had neighbors who demonstrated the presence of intellect to even think about the things he claims to care about, let alone make up (what passes for) their minds on that basis.

    And “Wow, the Democrats have really messed things up!  We have to elect more Democrats to fix it!” is very real.

    It’s also too many people fleeing the People’s Republic of California and then voting the same way that destroyed PRC, combined with people who never voted anything but Dimocrat their whole lives no matter what – and maybe people who started voting Dim after they died, why should Chicago have all the fun? – and so many people being fed up and leaving.

    Such as me.

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  9. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    Wrong.  The problem is not the electorate, the problem was with the Trump Endorsed Candidates who won the Republican Primaries. 

    If Karrin Taylor Robson had won the Republican Primary over Kari Lake, I would not have walked precincts for Katie Hobbs.  I would have voted for Robson.

    For the Senate, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary.  I voted for the Democrat, but I would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had won the Republican Primary.

    For the Secretary of State, the Trump Endorsed Candidate had gone to the January 6, 2021 Capitol Riot and he won the primary.  I voted for the Democrat, but would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had beaten the Trump endorsed candidate.

    For Attorney General, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary.  I voted for the Democrat.  Again, if one of the other Republicans had won the primary, I would have voted for him or her.

    At this point, the highest ranking Statewide Republican will be State Treasurer Kimberly Yee.  I contributed to her and voted for her.  When I canvassed for the above Democrats, I didn’t carry the literature for the Democrat in that race.  

    I would not have canvassed door to door, if Non-Trump Republicans had won the primaries.  

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  10. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    So true.

    And we need to run better candidates.  More dementia patients that babble incoherently.  People who can avoid doing their job while cackling and pontificating about Venn Diagrams and yellow school buses.  Or perform mostly drunk while her husband is hammering a pool boy.  And more stroke victims with brain damage.  And people who have never had a job before.

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    Wrong. The problem is not the electorate, the problem was with the Trump Endorsed Candidates who won the Republican Primaries.

    If Karrin Taylor Robson had won the Republican Primary over Kari Lake, I would not have walked precincts for Katie Hobbs. I would have voted for Robson.

    For the Senate, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary. I voted for the Democrat, but I would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had won the Republican Primary.

    For the Secretary of State, the Trump Endorsed Candidate had gone to the January 6, 2021 Capitol Riot and he won the primary. I voted for the Democrat, but would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had beaten the Trump endorsed candidate.

    For Attorney General, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary. I voted for the Democrat. Again, if one of the other Republicans had won the primary, I would have voted for him or her.

    At this point, the highest ranking Statewide Republican will be State Treasurer Kimberly Yee. I contributed to her and voted for her. When I canvassed for the above Democrats, I didn’t carry the literature for the Democrat in that race.

    I would not have canvassed door to door, if Non-Trump Republicans had won the primaries.

    Are you claiming that if Kari Lake hadn’t been endorsed by Trump etc, she would have won?

    Or that it was canvassing like you did, that changed the outcome?

    Balderdash.

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  12. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Donald Trump is the dark force that swung this election. Today he suggested that he might announce for President earlier than November 14th. That probably juiced up 2% of the vote for Democrats. That was enough to electrify Independents, and lazy Democrats to get them to the polls.

    In race after race, Trump endorsed primary candidates went down to defeat. See MI-3. See MA Gov. See MD Gov. See ME Gov. See MI SoS. See NM SoS. These were winnable races.

    In Arizona, the four top races for Senate, Governor, Secretary of State and AG all went to Trump endorsed candidates; all four are losing right now. In Arizona, the only state-wide Republican Candidate who is winning a contested race is Kimberly Yee, who I contributed to and who I voted for. As of now, the top Republican in the Arizona will be the State Treasurer, Kimberly Yee.

    Here is the brutal truth. You can nominate Dole-McCain-Romney-Bush=Reagan Republicans and win general elections. Or you can nominate Trump candidates and lose general elections. The choice is yours.

    Your predictions were very wrong. The midterm is shaping up to be a triumph of the Democratic Party.

    No.  It was not so much a victory for Democrats, it was a crushing defeat for Trump Endorsed Candidates.

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  13. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    Wrong. The problem is not the electorate, the problem was with the Trump Endorsed Candidates who won the Republican Primaries.

    If Karrin Taylor Robson had won the Republican Primary over Kari Lake, I would not have walked precincts for Katie Hobbs. I would have voted for Robson.

    For the Senate, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary. I voted for the Democrat, but I would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had won the Republican Primary.

    For the Secretary of State, the Trump Endorsed Candidate had gone to the January 6, 2021 Capitol Riot and he won the primary. I voted for the Democrat, but would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had beaten the Trump endorsed candidate.

    For Attorney General, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary. I voted for the Democrat. Again, if one of the other Republicans had won the primary, I would have voted for him or her.

    At this point, the highest ranking Statewide Republican will be State Treasurer Kimberly Yee. I contributed to her and voted for her. When I canvassed for the above Democrats, I didn’t carry the literature for the Democrat in that race.

    I would not have canvassed door to door, if Non-Trump Republicans had won the primaries.

    As I said, electing the twits you support is no different from electing Democrats. Your stupid fixation on Trump is tiresome. You won and I no longer care.

    • #13
  14. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    Wrong. The problem is not the electorate, the problem was with the Trump Endorsed Candidates who won the Republican Primaries.

    If Karrin Taylor Robson had won the Republican Primary over Kari Lake, I would not have walked precincts for Katie Hobbs. I would have voted for Robson.

    For the Senate, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary. I voted for the Democrat, but I would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had won the Republican Primary.

    For the Secretary of State, the Trump Endorsed Candidate had gone to the January 6, 2021 Capitol Riot and he won the primary. I voted for the Democrat, but would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had beaten the Trump endorsed candidate.

    For Attorney General, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary. I voted for the Democrat. Again, if one of the other Republicans had won the primary, I would have voted for him or her.

    At this point, the highest ranking Statewide Republican will be State Treasurer Kimberly Yee. I contributed to her and voted for her. When I canvassed for the above Democrats, I didn’t carry the literature for the Democrat in that race.

    I would not have canvassed door to door, if Non-Trump Republicans had won the primaries.

    As I said, electing the twits you support is no different from electing Democrats. Your stupid fixation in Trump is tiresome. You won and I no longer care.

    Wouldn’t you rather have Regular Republicans than Democrats?  

    • #14
  15. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    I think that’s mostly just the early votes.  Which are mostly dem.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    Wrong. The problem is not the electorate, the problem was with the Trump Endorsed Candidates who won the Republican Primaries.

    If Karrin Taylor Robson had won the Republican Primary over Kari Lake, I would not have walked precincts for Katie Hobbs. I would have voted for Robson.

    For the Senate, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary. I voted for the Democrat, but I would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had won the Republican Primary.

    For the Secretary of State, the Trump Endorsed Candidate had gone to the January 6, 2021 Capitol Riot and he won the primary. I voted for the Democrat, but would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had beaten the Trump endorsed candidate.

    For Attorney General, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary. I voted for the Democrat. Again, if one of the other Republicans had won the primary, I would have voted for him or her.

    At this point, the highest ranking Statewide Republican will be State Treasurer Kimberly Yee. I contributed to her and voted for her. When I canvassed for the above Democrats, I didn’t carry the literature for the Democrat in that race.

    I would not have canvassed door to door, if Non-Trump Republicans had won the primaries.

    As I said, electing the twits you support is no different from electing Democrats. Your stupid fixation on Trump is tiresome. You won and I no longer care.

    I don’t think Gary or even other people like Gary had anything to do with it, really.  They are too few and their influence too small or even non-existent.  Gary is like someone seeing which way the crowd is going, then they jump in front and claim to be leading.

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  17. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    If you guys actually cared about this, you would tear the masters of the GOP limb from limb, pound them into dust, and scatter their wealth amongst the downtrodden masses.

    Redistribution of wealth is… not really our thing.

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  18. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    Wrong. The problem is not the electorate, the problem was with the Trump Endorsed Candidates who won the Republican Primaries.

    If Karrin Taylor Robson had won the Republican Primary over Kari Lake, I would not have walked precincts for Katie Hobbs. I would have voted for Robson.

    For the Senate, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary. I voted for the Democrat, but I would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had won the Republican Primary.

    For the Secretary of State, the Trump Endorsed Candidate had gone to the January 6, 2021 Capitol Riot and he won the primary. I voted for the Democrat, but would have voted for the other Republicans if one of them had beaten the Trump endorsed candidate.

    For Attorney General, the Trump Endorsed Candidate won the Republican Primary. I voted for the Democrat. Again, if one of the other Republicans had won the primary, I would have voted for him or her.

    At this point, the highest ranking Statewide Republican will be State Treasurer Kimberly Yee. I contributed to her and voted for her. When I canvassed for the above Democrats, I didn’t carry the literature for the Democrat in that race.

    I would not have canvassed door to door, if Non-Trump Republicans had won the primaries.

    As I said, electing the twits you support is no different from electing Democrats. Your stupid fixation in Trump is tiresome. You won and I no longer care.

    Wouldn’t you rather have Regular Republicans than Democrats?

    I don’t care. If all you have to offer is the type you mentioned, I’ll drop out and get on with my life. 

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  19. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    I think that’s mostly just the early votes. Which are mostly dem.

    I truly hope you are correct. I don’t want to believe that AZ voters are stupid enough to elect Hobbs. 

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  20. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    If you guys actually cared about this, you would tear the masters of the GOP limb from limb, pound them into dust, and scatter their wealth amongst the downtrodden masses.

    Redistribution of wealth is… not really our thing.

    We just prefer to do it differently: Get off your butt and get a job. 

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  21. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    I think that’s mostly just the early votes. Which are mostly dem.

    But the more-Republican counties seem to have already been reported, and their populations are a lot smaller too.

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  22. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Django (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    I think that’s mostly just the early votes. Which are mostly dem.

    I truly hope you are correct. I don’t want to believe that AZ voters are stupid enough to elect Hobbs.

    We didn’t love Katie Hobbs.

    But we were terrified of Kari Lake.

    The embrace of Trump was the kiss of death.

    • #22
  23. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Here is the brutal truth.  You can nominate Dole-McCain-Romney-Bush=Reagan Republicans and win general elections.  Or you can nominate Trump candidates and lose general elections.  The choice is yours.

    Um… Dole, McCain, and Romney lost.  Badly.

    And Bush became so toxic to the party after messing up the mideast wars so badly, that he ushered in the election of a guy who never had a job before and wasn’t even born in this country.  [duck!]

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  24. Viruscop Member
    Viruscop
    @Viruscop

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Viruscop (View Comment):

    If you guys actually cared about this, you would tear the masters of the GOP limb from limb, pound them into dust, and scatter their wealth amongst the downtrodden masses.

    Redistribution of wealth is… not really our thing.

    It’s an exaggeration, but you guys never punish your leaders. Will the GOP base end the career of Mitch McConnell? Will they drive Kevin McCarthy into the far reaches of the Mojave Desert? Will GOP pundits who ululated in expectation of a GOP triumph such as Erick Erickson be put to the sword? What will happen to all these types of people?

    • #24
  25. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Django (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    I think that’s mostly just the early votes. Which are mostly dem.

    I truly hope you are correct. I don’t want to believe that AZ voters are stupid enough to elect Hobbs.

    I had too many stupid neighbors etc in Phoenix, to be confident of anything else.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the cancer is metastasizing east from the People’s Republic of California.  They keep ruining a place and then fleeing it to do the same at their next stop.

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  26. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Here is the brutal truth. You can nominate Dole-McCain-Romney-Bush=Reagan Republicans and win general elections. Or you can nominate Trump candidates and lose general elections. The choice is yours.

    Um… Dole, McCain, and Romney lost. Badly.

    An endorsement by Dole, McCain or Romney was not the kiss of death.

    But an endorsement by Trump has turned out to be a kiss of death.

    To win general elections, don’t nominate Trump endorsed candidates in the primaries.

    • #26
  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    I think that’s mostly just the early votes. Which are mostly dem.

    I truly hope you are correct. I don’t want to believe that AZ voters are stupid enough to elect Hobbs.

    We didn’t love Katie Hobbs.

    But we were terrified of Kari Lake.

    The embrace of Trump was the kiss of death.

    I bet if you could get a valid poll of Arizona voters, most wouldn’t know about Trump endorsing anyone.

    They just vote Dimocrat because they always have, maybe starting in the People’s Republic of California.

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  28. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    kedavis (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    I think that’s mostly just the early votes. Which are mostly dem.

    But the more-Republican counties seem to have already been reported, and their populations are a lot smaller too.

    Arizona Governor Midterm Election Results and Maps 2022 | CNN Politics

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  29. Django Member
    Django
    @Django

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    In AZ, Hobbs leads Lake 56.6% to 43.3%.

    The problem is the electorate.

    I think that’s mostly just the early votes. Which are mostly dem.

    I truly hope you are correct. I don’t want to believe that AZ voters are stupid enough to elect Hobbs.

    We didn’t love Katie Hobbs.

    But we were terrified of Kari Lake.

    The embrace of Trump was the kiss of death.

    Terrified? That would be laughable if not so sad. 

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  30. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Here is the brutal truth. You can nominate Dole-McCain-Romney-Bush=Reagan Republicans and win general elections. Or you can nominate Trump candidates and lose general elections. The choice is yours.

    Um… Dole, McCain, and Romney lost. Badly.

    An endorsement by Dole, McCain or Romney was not the kiss of death.

    But an endorsement by Trump has turned out to be a kiss of death.

    No.

     

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