Defending Kyrie Irving

 

I have always hated it when ignorant Jews write opinion pieces attacking their own people, starting with something along the lines of, “As a Jew…” Except that now I am about to do it.

As a Jew, I think it is unacceptable that Kyrie Irving or Ye West are not allowed to hold ignorant and hateful opinions. They should be free to voice those opinions, holding them up to the scrutiny of others.

As a Jew, I think it is insane that society thinks that it is essential that every athlete or musician or artist has to hold the “right” opinions, or they will be benched or fined.

Kyrie Irving is a misinformed idiot. So what?

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  1. Not a Gubmint Spy Member
    Not a Gubmint Spy
    @OldDanRhody

    iWe: As a Jew, I think it is unacceptable that Kyrie Irving or Ye West are not allowed to hold ignorant and hateful opinions. They should be free to voice those opinions, holding them up to the scrutiny of others. 

    Concur.

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
    Susan Quinn
    @SusanQuinn

    They can say anything they wish. And I can also say they are anti-Semitic comments. I can even say I condemn them. But they are free to speak.

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  3. Dr. Bastiat Member
    Dr. Bastiat
    @drbastiat

    So true.  Who cares what a basketball player thinks about anything?  Well, anything other than basketball, at least.

    I was always amazed by my leftist patients who got all worked up about what Donald Trump said about Ivermectin, or some other aspect of COVID.  “Can you believe that idiot said that?!?

    I would always respond, “I don’t care what he said.  I don’t need his advice on medicine.  Just like I wouldn’t presume to give him advice on commercial real estate.  And if I did, I’m sure he wouldn’t listen.  Why do you care what a politician thinks about anti-viral therapies?”

    We put way too much faith in the wisdom of our leaders, and those we admire.  We should think for ourselves, and be less interested in the views of celebrities. 

    The best way to fix this problem is to ignore them.

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  4. Vance Richards Member
    Vance Richards
    @VanceRichards

    I don’t understand how Kyrie Irving can get suspended for tweeting a link to a movie on Amazon. Granted the film itself is stupid and racist, but it is not like he did any sort of court side protest. In the past Irving questioned the whole round earth thing, So I doubt too many people are looking to him for advice on anything (although he was right about vaccines).

    It is interesting that the NBA’s most woke-a-holic coaches, Popovich and Kerr, who are always very quick to chime in about BLM, seem to be silent about this

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  5. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Let Kyrie be Kyrie, as distasteful as that may be.

    For it is written: “By their derps ye shall know them.”

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  6. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    iWe:

    As a Jew, I think it is unacceptable that Kyrie Irving or Ye West are not allowed to hold ignorant and hateful opinions. They should be free to voice those opinions, holding them up to the scrutiny of others. 

    As a Jew, I think it is insane that society thinks that it is essential that every athlete or musician or artist has to hold the “right” opinions, or they will be benched or fined. 

    Overall, I would say, “As a freedom-loving American,” I hold the same opinions . . .

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  7. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    iWe: Kyrie Irving or Ye West are not allowed

    This is because Ye once wore a Trump hat and Kyrie refused to get the jab.   This is not because of some objective standard of wrongthink.

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  8. Dotorimuk Coolidge
    Dotorimuk
    @Dotorimuk

    Remember when Kyrie Irving apologized for saying the Earth is flat?

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kyrie-irving-apologizes-for-saying-earth-is-flat-claims-he-was-into-conspiracies/

    The dude was no Einstein to begin with.

     

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  9. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
    GlennAmurgis
    @GlennAmurgis

    the beauty of the freedom of speech is it allows us to see the fools like Irving and West

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  10. Ed G. Member
    Ed G.
    @EdG

    What did Kyrie Irving say that needs defending or condemning? I can understand not wanting to repeat something objectionable but is there a link to a quote?

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  11. Nanocelt TheContrarian Member
    Nanocelt TheContrarian
    @NanoceltTheContrarian

    Before, the Confiteor. After, the Gloria. God have mercy.

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  12. Ed G. Member
    Ed G.
    @EdG

    This CNN link refers to a tweeted link to a documentary that has “deeply disturbing antisemitic hate”. 

    I loathe stories like this. First we need to just accept the characterizations of the mob. Second there is this mob demand for confession and penance. Third there is actual penance imposed anyway.

    I’m done accepting the characterizations I’m given by the media mobs. I dont know what is in that documentary or in Kyrie Irving’s heart, but I know enough to treat most narratives suspiciously. Anyway, why does anyone care? Why should there be punishment for whatever is in Kyrie Irving’s heart? Punishment for thoughts and feelings instead of for actions? That’s unAmerican, authoritarian, and an immoral usurpation of God’s role. God will judge and condemn, and there are no gods among us to do it here. Attempts to immanentize the eschaton always end in misery and death, no matter the intentions for trying.

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  13. Manny Coolidge
    Manny
    @Manny

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    What did Kyrie Irving say that needs defending or condemning? I can understand not wanting to repeat something objectionable but is there a link to a quote?

    I’m also in the dark.  My inclination is to agree with iWe but a lot depends on what he said. There could be a line an employer cannot tolerate if it cost him customers. 

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  14. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    Remember when Kyrie Irving apologized for saying the Earth is flat?

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kyrie-irving-apologizes-for-saying-earth-is-flat-claims-he-was-into-conspiracies/

    The dude was no Einstein to begin with.

     

    He might also be a “young earther”.   There are some Christians and Jews that believe the earth is aabout 6000 years old (they know the exact number, I don’t).   Maybe this lost tribe thing is related to that.

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  15. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
    Joseph Stanko
    @JosephStanko

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    This CNN link refers to a tweeted link to a documentary that has “deeply disturbing antisemitic hate”. 

    I loathe stories like this. First we need to just accept the characterizations of the mob. Second there is this mob demand for confession and penance. Third there is actual penance imposed anyway.

    Same here, I had to dig around a bit before I found a Breitbart article that actually named the offending film: Hebrews to Negroes: Wake Up Black America. 

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  16. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
    Joseph Stanko
    @JosephStanko

    Manny (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    What did Kyrie Irving say that needs defending or condemning? I can understand not wanting to repeat something objectionable but is there a link to a quote?

    I’m also in the dark. My inclination is to agree with iWe but a lot depends on what he said. There could be a line an employer cannot tolerate if it cost him customers.

    As best I can tell, the actual quote that got Irving suspended was:

    “I cannot be anti-Semitic if I know where I come from.”

    This was deemed insufficiently penitent by the Nets:

    “We were dismayed today, when given an opportunity in a media session, that Kyrie refused to unequivocally say he had no anti-Semitic beliefs. This was not the first time he had the opportunity — but failed — to clarify.”

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  17. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
    @Instugator

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    Remember when Kyrie Irving apologized for saying the Earth is flat?

    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kyrie-irving-apologizes-for-saying-earth-is-flat-claims-he-was-into-conspiracies/

    The dude was no Einstein to begin with.

     

    He might also be a “young earther”. There are some Christians and Jews that believe the earth is aabout 6000 years old (they know the exact number, I don’t). Maybe this lost tribe thing is related to that.

    I don’t believe the “lost tribe” has anything to do with the young earth belief. Young earthers come to their belief because they believe the Bible is literally true and because one can count the generations and times in the bible from Adam to Jesus come to the conclusion that the the earth was created on Oct 23, 4004 BC.

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  18. Manny Coolidge
    Manny
    @Manny

    Joseph Stanko (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    What did Kyrie Irving say that needs defending or condemning? I can understand not wanting to repeat something objectionable but is there a link to a quote?

    I’m also in the dark. My inclination is to agree with iWe but a lot depends on what he said. There could be a line an employer cannot tolerate if it cost him customers.

    As best I can tell, the actual quote that got Irving suspended was:

    “I cannot be anti-Semitic if I know where I come from.”

    This was deemed insufficiently penitent by the Nets:

    “We were dismayed today, when given an opportunity in a media session, that Kyrie refused to unequivocally say he had no anti-Semitic beliefs. This was not the first time he had the opportunity — but failed — to clarify.”

    It doesn’t sound like much.  I think he got shafted.

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