Naddafingah! Bakerses

 

A pitcher, cruising along through six innings in game four of the World Series, with a no-hit shutout going, was taken out of the game without even the chance for the complete game shutout no-no. Without at least waiting until the first hit was given up. What kind of soulless anti-baseball monster would do such a thing? Oh. Dusty Baker. Naddafingah! Bakerses!

Here’s the kicker: now I have to hear all the raving about the “combined” no-hitter as if that’s a thing now. A no-hitter is a term applied to a pitcher. Singular. Also, it’s only applied to a complete game, otherwise the proper terminology is to refer to the number of no-hit innings that a pitcher threw. Words have meaning, Basesball.

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  1. MarciN Member
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    Ed G.: now I have to hear all the raving about the “combined” no hitter as if that’s a thing now. A no hitter is a term applied to a pitcher. Singular.

    Well, “singular” is the problem. According to Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary, the modern meaning of they is this:

    a used with a singular indefinite pronoun antecedent

    No one has to go if they don’t want to.

    Everyone knew where they stood.  — E. L. Doctorow

    b used with a singular antecedent to refer to an unknown or unspecified person

    An employee with a grievance can file a complaint if they need to.

    The person who answered the phone said they didn’t know where she was.

    c used to refer to a single person whose gender is intentionally not revealed

    A student was found with a knife and a BB gun in their backpack Monday, district spokeswoman Renee Murphy confirmed. The student, whose name has not been released, will be disciplined according to district policies, Murphy said. They also face charges from outside law enforcement, she said.— Olivia Krauth

    There are no more individuals to praise or blame. Only groups. We can’t have one fantastic pitcher.

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  2. Ed G. Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    We can’t have one fantastic pitcher.

    There have certainly been seasons in Chicago where it’s felt that way, sister, lemme tell ya!

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  3. Vance Richards Member
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    Ed G.: Heres the kicker: now I have to hear all the raving about the “combined” no hitter as if that’s a thing now

    I guess it is something, but I imagine Don Larsen is looking down fron Heaven singing . . . 

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  4. Hoyacon Member
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    It’s a game in which one team had no hits.  It’s not a no-hitter.

    Back when there were standards— a couple of months ago or so— it used to be controversial to take out a pitcher who was working on a no-hitter based on pitch count, walks, whatever.  This was because it was his no-hitter.  But that apparently no longer matters just so we can spill some ink on this alleged accomplishment in a World Series.

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  5. Charlotte Member
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    Over-engineering the pitching staff in general, and the unnecessary use of relievers specifically, is a yuuuuge pet peeve of mine, and one of the reasons I just don’t like baseball as much as I used to. In this case, it’s the [CoC] World Series. What are you saving your starter for? Who cares if he reached his pitch count?

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  6. Ed G. Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    It’s a game in which one team had no hits. It’s not a no-hitter.

    Back when there were standards— a couple of months ago or so— it used to be controversial to take out a pitcher who was working on a no-hitter based on pitch count, walks, whatever. This was because it was his no-hitter. But that apparently no longer matters just so we can spill some ink on this alleged accomplishment in a World Series.

    I knew there had to be a reason I liked you so much. You are obviously knowledgeable, eloquent, and probably good looking too. Thank you for your profound defense of all that is good and right in baseball, Hoyacon.

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  7. Ed G. Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):
    Back when there were standards— a couple of months ago or so— it used to be controversial to take out a pitcher who was working on a no-hitter based on pitch count, walks, whatever.

    Yeah, like back when Mega MAGA and Putin were controlling things with their media advantage and bureaucracies obviously totally in thrall to their autocracy. Yet another reason for Trump to run for office again: we’re gonna say Merry Christmas again AND pitchers will have to at least give up a hit before they’re yanked in the midst of a no-hit shutout bid. Priorities and norms must be restored.

     

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  8. Hoyacon Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    It’s a game in which one team had no hits. It’s not a no-hitter.

    Back when there were standards— a couple of months ago or so— it used to be controversial to take out a pitcher who was working on a no-hitter based on pitch count, walks, whatever. This was because it was his no-hitter. But that apparently no longer matters just so we can spill some ink on this alleged accomplishment in a World Series.

    I knew there had to be a reason I liked you so much. You are obviously knowledgeable, eloquent, and probably good looking too. Thank you for your profound defense of all that is good and right in baseball, Hoyacon.

    Thank you for the kind words, but I must own up to not being particularly eloquent.

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  9. Bunsen Coolidge
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    It’s a game in which one team had no hits. It’s not a no-hitter.

    Back when there were standards— a couple of months ago or so— it used to be controversial to take out a pitcher who was working on a no-hitter based on pitch count, walks, whatever. This was because it was his no-hitter. But that apparently no longer matters just so we can spill some ink on this alleged accomplishment in a World Series.

    I knew there had to be a reason I liked you so much. You are obviously knowledgeable, eloquent, and probably good looking too. Thank you for your profound defense of all that is good and right in baseball, Hoyacon.

    Funny how Dusty leaves McCullers Jr in too long (his MO, see Cubs early 2000s) and then denies Javier a chance at a no hitter.   Was he going to pitch again?  NO.  Was it a close game?  NO.  Moron

    Note to MLB (especially you Manfred!)- if you are calling this a combined no hitter than all games should be considered combined complete games.  Bunch of idiots

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  10. Vance Richards Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):
    Over-engineering the pitching staff in general, and the unnecessary use of relievers specifically, is a yuuuuge pet peeve of mine, and one of the reasons I just don’t like baseball as much as I used to.

    Yeah, the thinking is that you don’t want a pitcher going through the line up a third time. But he is pitching great and has a 5 run lead. No much to lose by letting face a few more batters.

    Today I think managers work for the analytics guys and not the other way around.

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  11. thelonious Member
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    Am I jerk for thinking one of the Phillies in the 9th inning should have laid a bunt down the 3rd base line for a cheap hit?

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  12. Hoyacon Member
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    thelonious (View Comment):

    Am I jerk for thinking one of the Phillies in the 9th inning should have laid a bunt down the 3rd base line for a cheap hit?

    In a closer game, fine.  In this game, yes, jerkiness.

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  13. Ed G. Member
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    thelonious (View Comment):

    Am I jerk for thinking one of the Phillies in the 9th inning should have laid a bunt down the 3rd base line for a cheap hit?

    Hell no! That wouldn’t be jerky. Although a bunt is no sure thing, especially the way things were going for the Phillies. In fact one guy tried to bunt while Christian Javier was still in. The pitch broke hard, low and away – it was a terrible pitch to try to bunt and predictably it didn’t work.

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  14. Ed G. Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    Over-engineering the pitching staff in general, and the unnecessary use of relievers specifically, is a yuuuuge pet peeve of mine, and one of the reasons I just don’t like baseball as much as I used to.

    Yeah, the thinking is that you don’t want a pitcher going through the line up a third time. But he is pitching great and has a 5 run lead. No much to lose by letting face a few more batters.

    Today I think managers work for the analytics guys and not the other way around.

    It’s so aggravating, the same way some guys slavishly manage by the righty/lefty matchup regardless of who is pitching or who is batting or whether one of the guys is on or the other is off.

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  15. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Over-engineering the pitching staff in general, and the unnecessary use of relievers specifically, is a yuuuuge pet peeve of mine, and one of the reasons I just don’t like baseball as much as I used to. In this case, it’s the [CoC] World Series. What are you saving your starter for? Who cares if he reached his pitch count?

    Wish we could bring back Bob Gibson, and I was never a Cardinals fan.

    In 3 World Series (1964, 67, 68), he started 9 games, pitched all 81 innings, had a 7-2 record with 2 shutouts, and a 1.89 ERA.

    He also had 4 hits in 28 at-bats, with 2 home runs.

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  16. thelonious Member
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    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):
    Over-engineering the pitching staff in general, and the unnecessary use of relievers specifically, is a yuuuuge pet peeve of mine, and one of the reasons I just don’t like baseball as much as I used to.

    Yeah, the thinking is that you don’t want a pitcher going through the line up a third time. But he is pitching great and has a 5 run lead. No much to lose by letting face a few more batters.

    Today I think managers work for the analytics guys and not the other way around.

    Analytics is a science. It’s a better way of understanding the game. Managers treat it as some type holy writ brought down from sainted and accredited MIT mathmagicians. It’s not perfect data. In 10 years there will probably be better and more complete analytics that refutes some of their strategies they use now. I think there’s still something to be said about a managers intuition that might go against some of the analytics. After all these are the guys who understand their teams the best. 

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  17. Ed G. Member
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    Bunsen (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    It’s a game in which one team had no hits. It’s not a no-hitter.

    Back when there were standards— a couple of months ago or so— it used to be controversial to take out a pitcher who was working on a no-hitter based on pitch count, walks, whatever. This was because it was his no-hitter. But that apparently no longer matters just so we can spill some ink on this alleged accomplishment in a World Series.

    I knew there had to be a reason I liked you so much. You are obviously knowledgeable, eloquent, and probably good looking too. Thank you for your profound defense of all that is good and right in baseball, Hoyacon.

    Funny how Dusty leaves McCullers Jr in too long (his MO, see Cubs early 2000s) and then denies Javier a chance at a no hitter. Was he going to pitch again? NO. Was it a close game? NO. Moron

    Note to MLB (especially you Manfred!)- if you are calling this a combined no hitter than all games should be considered combined complete games. Bunch of idiots

    I’m familiar with the 2003 Cubs and the $%%&^*^& Dusty Baker. Mark Prior was great that year and he was excellent in Game 6 of the NLCS, but he needed to come out after the Alex Gonzalez error in the top of the eighth (the so-called Bartman inning). Baker left Prior in too long. He also should have called timeout after the Bartman incident, trotted out to left field, and slapped Moises Alou for being such an hysterical beotch instead of just getting back to business. I blame Alou, Gonzalez, and Baker, not Bartman or Prior. Anyway, who remembers stuff like that?

    Oh, and Josh Beckett and his now-limp and lifeless arm can rot in eternal baseball hell. Along with Steve Garvey and the rest of the 1984 Padres. The 1994 baseball strike that robbed the White Sox of a probable World Series bid too. Throw in the ’83 Orioles for good measure (what can I say, I was a south side kid but the Cubs were the only game in town during the day so I liked em both). Come to think of it, baseball hell is pretty full, but there’s a spot reserved for Dusty Baker.

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  18. Ed G. Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Am I jerk for thinking one of the Phillies in the 9th inning should have laid a bunt down the 3rd base line for a cheap hit?

    In a closer game, fine. In this game, yes, jerkiness.

    Boooo! Maybe you’re not as good looking as I first thought. There’s no letting up in baseball, and screw those guys. You don’t let someone pad his numbers on your watch – you do everything you can to stop him!

    Charlie Hustle wouldn’t have let up. Neither would Jackie Robinson or Ryne Sandberg.

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  19. Charlotte Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Along with Steve Garvey and the rest of the 1984 Padres.

    I was ten.

    I wept, uncontrollably.

    Thanks a lot for bringing it up.

     

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  20. cdor Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Over-engineering the pitching staff in general, and the unnecessary use of relievers specifically, is a yuuuuge pet peeve of mine, and one of the reasons I just don’t like baseball as much as I used to. In this case, it’s the [CoC] World Series. What are you saving your starter for? Who cares if he reached his pitch count?

    Christian Javier pitched six innings. I couldn’t find his pitch count quickly, but he struck out nine and walked two. How could he have reached his pitch count? Nothing is at it was, nowadays.

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  21. Ed G. Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Along with Steve Garvey and the rest of the 1984 Padres.

    I was ten.

    I wept, uncontrollably.

    Thanks a lot for bringing it up.

     

    I was the same age, but I’m a guy so I didn’t cry. Although I understand 100%.

    Fortunately for us there’s a universe where there really was joy in Muddville, where in hundreds of outings in my backyard either Rick Sutcliffe or Richard Dotson (played by me) and Jody Davis or Carlton Fisk (played by my buddy) went to the 1984 and 1983 World Series, respectively, and won it all in dramatic fashion in the bottom the 9th of the seventh game with bases loaded. Oh, and we also won those series by hitting grand slams in the bottom of the 9th too.

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  22. Charlotte Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Over-engineering the pitching staff in general, and the unnecessary use of relievers specifically, is a yuuuuge pet peeve of mine, and one of the reasons I just don’t like baseball as much as I used to. In this case, it’s the [CoC] World Series. What are you saving your starter for? Who cares if he reached his pitch count?

    Christian Javier pitched six innings. I couldn’t find his pitch count quickly, but he struck out nine and walked two. How could he have reached his pitch count? Nothing is at it was, nowadays.

    I believe he ended up with 97 pitches. I don’t really care though, if the total was 197. Give the guy a chance to get his no-hitter. He has five months to recover.

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  23. cdor Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Over-engineering the pitching staff in general, and the unnecessary use of relievers specifically, is a yuuuuge pet peeve of mine, and one of the reasons I just don’t like baseball as much as I used to. In this case, it’s the [CoC] World Series. What are you saving your starter for? Who cares if he reached his pitch count?

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Bunsen (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    It’s a game in which one team had no hits. It’s not a no-hitter.

    Back when there were standards— a couple of months ago or so— it used to be controversial to take out a pitcher who was working on a no-hitter based on pitch count, walks, whatever. This was because it was his no-hitter. But that apparently no longer matters just so we can spill some ink on this alleged accomplishment in a World Series.

    I knew there had to be a reason I liked you so much. You are obviously knowledgeable, eloquent, and probably good looking too. Thank you for your profound defense of all that is good and right in baseball, Hoyacon.

    Funny how Dusty leaves McCullers Jr in too long (his MO, see Cubs early 2000s) and then denies Javier a chance at a no hitter. Was he going to pitch again? NO. Was it a close game? NO. Moron

    Note to MLB (especially you Manfred!)- if you are calling this a combined no hitter than all games should be considered combined complete games. Bunch of idiots

    I’m familiar with the 2003 Cubs and the $%%&^*^& Dusty Baker. Mark Prior was great that year and he was excellent in Game 6 of the NLCS, but he needed to come out after the Alex Gonzalez error in the top of the eighth (the so-called Bartman inning). Baker left Prior in too long. He also should have called timeout after the Bartman incident, trotted out to left field, and slapped Moises Alou for being such an hysterical beotch instead of just getting back to business. I blame Alou, Gonzalez, and Baker, not Bartman or Prior. Anyway, who remembers stuff like that?

    Oh, and Josh Beckett and his now-limp and lifeless arm can rot in eternal baseball hell. Along with Steve Garvey and the rest of the 1984 Padres. The 1994 baseball strike that robbed the White Sox of a probable World Series bid too. Throw in the ’83 Orioles for good measure (what can I say, I was a south side kid but the Cubs were the only game in town during the day so I liked em both). Come to think of it, baseball hell is pretty full, but there’s a spot reserved for Dusty Baker.

    Ed, chill brother! All of that pain pouring out almost makes me want to cry.

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  24. Charlotte Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Jody Davis

    I was #7 throughout my Little League career.

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  25. cdor Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    cdor (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Over-engineering the pitching staff in general, and the unnecessary use of relievers specifically, is a yuuuuge pet peeve of mine, and one of the reasons I just don’t like baseball as much as I used to. In this case, it’s the [CoC] World Series. What are you saving your starter for? Who cares if he reached his pitch count?

    Christian Javier pitched six innings. I couldn’t find his pitch count quickly, but he struck out nine and walked two. How could he have reached his pitch count? Nothing is at it was, nowadays.

    I believe he ended up with 97 pitches. I don’t really care though, if the total was 197. Give the guy a chance to get his no-hitter. He has five months to recover.

    OK, 97 is getting up there, but I totally agree, let him pitch until he gives up a hit, at least, even if it’s a home run. They had a five run lead.

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  26. Hoyacon Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Am I jerk for thinking one of the Phillies in the 9th inning should have laid a bunt down the 3rd base line for a cheap hit?

    In a closer game, fine. In this game, yes, jerkiness.

    Boooo! Maybe you’re not as good looking as I first thought. There’s no letting up in baseball, and screw those guys. You don’t let someone pad his numbers on your watch – you do everything you can to stop him!

    Charlie Hustle wouldn’t have let up. Neither would Jackie Robinson or Ryne Sandberg.

    It’s in the unwritten rule book.  You can’t see it but it’s there.

    Somebody bunts in that situation, the next guy gets a dose of chin music.

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  27. Ed G. Member
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    cdor (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    I’m familiar with the 2003 Cubs and the $%%&^*^& Dusty Baker. Mark Prior was great that year and he was excellent in Game 6 of the NLCS, but he needed to come out after the Alex Gonzalez error in the top of the eighth (the so-called Bartman inning). Baker left Prior in too long. He also should have called timeout after the Bartman incident, trotted out to left field, and slapped Moises Alou for being such an hysterical beotch instead of just getting back to business. I blame Alou, Gonzalez, and Baker, not Bartman or Prior. Anyway, who remembers stuff like that?

    Oh, and Josh Beckett and his now-limp and lifeless arm can rot in eternal baseball hell. Along with Steve Garvey and the rest of the 1984 Padres. The 1994 baseball strike that robbed the White Sox of a probable World Series bid too. Throw in the ’83 Orioles for good measure (what can I say, I was a south side kid but the Cubs were the only game in town during the day so I liked em both). Come to think of it, baseball hell is pretty full, but there’s a spot reserved for Dusty Baker.

    Ed, chill brother! All of that pain pouring out almost makes me want to cry.

    Haha! I have no pain. Just a long memory. How can I be pained over a guy who kept his hands tough by peeing on them? I’m looking at you, Alou. Gross!

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  28. Ed G. Member
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    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Jody Davis

    I was #7 throughout my Little League career.

    It was before Michael Jordan and I was a southsider, so I managed to snag #23 more often than not.

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  29. Ed G. Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Am I jerk for thinking one of the Phillies in the 9th inning should have laid a bunt down the 3rd base line for a cheap hit?

    In a closer game, fine. In this game, yes, jerkiness.

    Boooo! Maybe you’re not as good looking as I first thought. There’s no letting up in baseball, and screw those guys. You don’t let someone pad his numbers on your watch – you do everything you can to stop him!

    Charlie Hustle wouldn’t have let up. Neither would Jackie Robinson or Ryne Sandberg.

    It’s in the unwritten rule book. You can’t see it but it’s there.

    Somebody bunts in that situation, the next guy gets a dose of chin music.

    So be it then. Still, screw those guys (whoever they are).

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  30. Charlotte Member
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    Charlotte (View Comment):

    Ed G. (View Comment):
    Jody Davis

    I was #7 throughout my Little League career.

    It was before Michael Jordan and I was a southsider, so I managed to snag #23 more often than not.

    I always think of Ryno first :-)

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