Covid Amnesty? No, Thanks.

 

Leave it to the corporate media to come out for amnesty for all of the poor public policy decisions pushed by the federal bureaucracy, corporate media, and teachers’ unions.

Once data started rolling in and the true scope of its danger was known, COVID became a political cause for the Left, not a public health issue. Public policy and social behavior was no longer grounded in any connection to reality and became a political signifier, and every single awful consequence that has come from the use of COVID as a political cudgel to attack those of us who demanded a rational, measured response is entirely blameworthy. The people who did this must pay a price.

So no, I will not forgive and forget, and neither should anyone else. These were not innocent mistakes, but the result of a plan to exploit people’s fears–fears that the elites did everything to stoke–for their own benefit. Trillions of dollars were transferred from ordinary people to billionaires, children suffered enormous learning loss, lives were ruined, literally. People still cannot enter the US (legally) without a COVID vaccine. It is insane.

They realize most of the things they pushed for — shutdown of schools, of the economy, face masks were wrong. It was known fairly early on that this virus affected the elderly more than the young, but that did not stop hacks like Randi Weingarten from shutting down in-classroom teaching. We won’t forget how they praised Cuomo, who pushed for lockdowns, while denigrating DeSantis for wanting to open up.

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  1. OkieSailor Member
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    We are still paying the consequences for the misguided and heavy handed way this pandemic was dealt with, both financially and otherwise. Forgive and forget may be a feel-good phrase but it does nothing to support the kind of learning from mistakes (or worse) that leads to better outcomes when this type of problem arises again. And it will happen again and again.
    There cannot be universal agreement as to what the proper response should be next time but there absolutely must be open discussion from all sides, the very thing that was proscribed during the panic, or we will simply repeat past mistakes.
    In all things at all times please remember that anyone who seeks to shut down open communication has either a weak position or nefarious motives or perhaps both.

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  2. Steven Galanis Coolidge
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    I grant amnesty to the CCP. It’s as far as I’ll go!

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  3. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    OkieSailor (View Comment):

    We are still paying the consequences for the misguided and heavy handed way this pandemic was dealt with, both financially and otherwise. Forgive and forget may be a feel-good phrase but it does nothing to support the kind of learning from mistakes (or worse) that leads to better outcomes when this type of problem arises again. And it will happen again and again.
    There cannot be universal agreement as to what the proper response should be next time but there absolutely must be open discussion from all sides, the very thing that was proscribed during the panic, or we will simply repeat past mistakes.
    In all things at all times please remember that anyone who seeks to shut down open communication has either a weak position or nefarious motives or perhaps both.

    The treatment of people like Dr Jay Bhattacharya by Fauci et al is despicable 

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  4. hoowitts Coolidge
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    The proper response to such inane amnesty hogwash:

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  5. Vance Richards Member
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  6. Seawriter Contributor
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    This sums up my attitude to Covid amnesty:

    God will, but I won’t

     

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  7. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    A call for mercy and forgiveness from those who showed no mercy.

    “It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”
    –Thomas Sowell

    I can forgive honest errors by honest people, especially as events first unfold and facts are unknown or uncertain. But what we are talking about here are people who tolerated no disagreement and systematically silenced and punished dissenters.

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  8. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    A call for mercy and forgiveness from those who showed no mercy.

    “It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”
    –Thomas Sowell

    I can forgive honest errors by honest people, especially as events first unfold and facts are unknown or uncertain. But what we are talking about here are people who tolerated no disagreement and systematically silenced and punished dissenters.

    Or if they admitted they were wrong – see Fauci 

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  9. BDB Coolidge
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    “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

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  10. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Ace:

    Most errors were made by people engaging in Competitive Bidding to push covid fanaticism into places where reasonable people — like the Republican Administration then in charge of the Executive — simply could not follow.

    This was 90% about laying the groundwork to push Trump out office. Did Trump say he was okay with masks? Okay then — we’re now pushing Two masks. Or three masks.

    Did Trump say he’s okay with six feet of social distancing? Okay, let’s move the goalposts — ten feet of social distancing.

    Whatever covid mitigation policies Trump signed on to — which were already anti-scientific and essentially bureaucratic voodoo — the left had to demand an even greater ask because you can’t say Trump is Murdering People if he just does what you ask him to do. You need him to refuse to do what you demand of him, which means you are obligated to continually escalate your absurd demands until they are simply impossible to comply with.

    And of course, there was an absolute ton of Virtue Signaling — “I Believe In ‘Science'” — and a lot of hysteria from neurotic leftist women (and effeminate men) prone to gales of hysteria already, and the need to cultivate their hysterias for political gain.

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  11. She Member
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    The HotAir post by David Strom is terrific.  Measured, rational and kind.  He makes a clear distinction between the mistakes of the very early days of Covid, when people were scrambling, and really didn’t know very much, and the carefully orchestrated oppression, compulsion, and restriction that was imposed–against an ever-increasing fact and knowledge base–once political opportunism and the chance to take down Trump overwhelmed any consideration of what was actually the moral, ethical, or right thing to do.  Forgive the first?  Sure.  The second?  Not a chance.

    We should forgive our relatives and our friends for their irrational behavior, but we should not forgive a single policy maker who used COVID as an excuse to oppress us. Canadians should politically destroy Trudeau, Europeans the fascists who oppressed them, and Americans the Democrat and Republican politicians who signed on to this evil oppression.

    Too few will pay the price that they should, and the Democrats, even in this Red wave election year, will survive as a political force. But they shouldn’t. What they did was literally unforgivable, and you can count me out of this movement to do so.

    The article he’s reviewing doesn’t even try to make that distinction.  It’s the usual virtue-signaling pabulum of the Left, in which the only (glancing) attempt at referencing a deliberate fraud inflicted on the American people during the Age of Covid refers to “remember[ing] when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach.”  It airbrushes out the malfeasance of Fauci, Birx, and Wolensky, and the nonsense spouted by the current occupant of the White House over the course of years:

    Many people have neglected their health care over the past several years. [She’s note: As if they had any other choice.] Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up. Pediatricians and public-health officials will need to work together on community outreach, and politicians will need to consider school mandates.

    So, let’s not have accountability.  Let’s not debate the “role that messaging about COVID vaccines” played in the disastrous situation we now find ourselves in, let’s simply forget about it and move on.

    IOW, as the aptly named author of this nonsensical melange seems to be saying:

    But I do mind.  I spent the first several months of lockdown caring, through his last days, for my very ill husband.  To be fair, his doctor was willing to put him in a dementia ward in the local hospital.  At which point, the door would have been slammed in my face, he’d have been allowed no visitors, he’d never have seen an unmasked, smiling human face again, I’d have had to Zoom in my final words to him, and he’d have (inevitably) died even more confused and frightened than he already was, and alone.  No thank you.  To put people in the position of having to make such invidious choices–or giving them no choice at all–and then to blame them for doing a poor job of self-care (“many people have neglected their health care over the past several years”) is the ultimate insult.  Forgive that?  Not on your life.

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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Every time you see a mask out there — and you still do — you see a person whose fragile mind has been preyed upon by the COVID fanatics in government.

    These people have been taught to fear contact with their fellow human beings. They have been taught that people are nothing but disease vectors. They are mentally damaged. And that is entirely on the government.

    There must be reparations.

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  13. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    After hubris comes nemesis.

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  14. BDB Coolidge
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    After hubris comes nemesis.

    After hubris comes a fat severance package and a plum position in the beltway.

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  15. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    After hubris comes nemesis.

    I do so enjoy these classical references.

    Nemesis • Facts and Information on the Goddess Nemesis

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  16. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    After hubris comes nemesis.

    Nemesis is not just a natural consequence, it is a necessary consequence.

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  17. Bishop Wash Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Every time you see a mask out there — and you still do — you see a person whose fragile mind has been preyed upon by the COVID fanatics in government.

    These people have been taught to fear contact with their fellow human beings. They have been taught that people are nothing but disease vectors. They are mentally damaged. And that is entirely on the government.

    There must be reparations.

    My daughter had a piano concert Saturday. Enough students to fill both sides of the program and it lasted almost two hours. Still had two or three families in masks. I didn’t catch it, but my wife is quite sure one kid had trouble because he couldn’t see the music clearly.  People need to swing from yardarms. I’m afraid our tyrant is going to be rewarded with reelection next Tuesday instead of being covered in tar and feathers.

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  18. Full Size Tabby Member
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    The Atlantic author not only says we shouldn’t punish those who made wrong decisions, we shouldn’t even try to understand why they made those wrong decisions. The author says we should focus all our efforts on solving the problems the wrong decisions created. But without understanding why those wrong decisions were made, our ability to solve them, and to prevent similarly wrong decisions in the future, is severely limited. 

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  19. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    This may surprise people here, but I am for amnesty from prison sentencing – but with conditions.

    Let the hospital admins who by May 2020 went along with CDC/NIH recs to not use HCQ plus zinc or ivermectin now  personally give half their salaries and retirement funds to people who lost family members while in the hospital for COVID. (And in many cases they were in the hospital for other matters,but their death was listed as “COVID” because they tested + for it.)

    While in the hospital, COV patients were slammed with rocephin, fentanyl and remdesivir. Some elderly people were slammed with at least 12 other drugs as well. This would include the anesthesia needed for putting them ventilators. Once on a vent, a person’s chance of making it out of the hospital alive were usually less than 10%.

    So let’s see hospital admins make up for the murderous activities they chose to do.

    I’m sure their attitude at the time was “Who can blame us? After all, we receive X amount of thousands of dollars if we test a person who enters the hospital for COVID and the test shows they are COV positive.

    “We also get thousands more if we put them on ventilators, so let’s do that too! Who cares if she was  a victim of a mugging and had been  stabbed with a knife? It is quite easy to load them up with fentanyl. Then once woozy enough, have them sign papers saying that they understand they have COV and that they need to be ventilated.”

    Repeat as needed for everyone on the food chain that was COVID.

    Go after the execs whose holdings include nursing homes where family members were denied visits to loved ones. Where elderly people refused the jabs, but had them forced on them, and were found dead in their beds the next morning.

    Also where elderly people turned their faces to the wall, refused food, and died within a week or so, due to loneliness and heartbreak.

    Let’s leave Fauci out of prison but make sure he is on call to assist those who are suffering from injuries caused by the vaccine.

    I don’t care if he is 80 years old. Let him be the one to change, free of charge, the catheter in a vax injured person’s body, a protocol that person will need to oversee every day for the next 60 years.

    Same for Bill Gates.

    Oh but of course, before that duo can begin their assigned duties, lets make sure they have caught up on all of their vaxxes on the COV schedule. This time the injections will occur with the caps off the needles!

     

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    I would prefer to celebrate the people who were right about COVID-19.  See my post at https://ricochet.com/1331941/who-are-the-covid-19-heroes/.  Here are some of them:

    Jim Geraghty who exposed the Wuhan Lab and exploded the Wet Markets theory.

    Ron DeSantis opened up Florida and was label “DeathSantis.”

    Jay Bhattacharya, M.D., used his position as a Stanford Medical School Professor to cast doubt on the COVID-19 hysteria.

    The signers of the Great Barrington Declaration.

    Dr. John Campbell, author of the Ivermectin Meta-Analysis.

    Bethany Mandel who advocated for schools to open, and was called a Grandma Killer for her efforts.

    President Trump should be praised for the extremely quick development of the vaccines.

    Most of all, Wuhan Whistleblower Li Wenliang, who gave his life trying to stop COVID-19.

    Ricochet which kept the conversation open.

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  21. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I would prefer to celebrate the people who were right about COVID-19. See my post at https://ricochet.com/1331941/who-are-the-covid-19-heroes/. Here are some of them:

    Jim Geraghty who exposed the Wuhan Lab and exploded the Wet Markets theory.

    Ron DeSantis opened up Florida and was label “DeathSantis.”

    Jay Bhattacharya, M.D., used his position as a Stanford Medical School Professor to cast doubt on the COVID-19 hysteria.

    The signers of the Great Barrington Declaration.

    Dr. John Campbell, author of the Ivermectin Meta-Analysis.

    Bethany Mandel who advocated for schools to open, and was called a Grandma Killer for her efforts.

    President Trump should be praised for the extremely quick development of the vaccines.

    Most of all, Wuhan Whistleblower Li Wenliang, who gave his life trying to stop COVID-19.

    Ricochet which kept the conversation open.

     

    Most of these people were attacked by those who want amnesty .

    so we should forget the “expert mob” so they repeat it for the next crisis?

    Should we forget the Fauci used his power in the Fed Gov to attack Bhattacharaya?

     

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  22. Annefy Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I would prefer to celebrate the people who were right about COVID-19. See my post at https://ricochet.com/1331941/who-are-the-covid-19-heroes/. Here are some of them:

    Jim Geraghty who exposed the Wuhan Lab and exploded the Wet Markets theory.

    Ron DeSantis opened up Florida and was label “DeathSantis.”

    Jay Bhattacharya, M.D., used his position as a Stanford Medical School Professor to cast doubt on the COVID-19 hysteria.

    The signers of the Great Barrington Declaration.

    Dr. John Campbell, author of the Ivermectin Meta-Analysis.

    Bethany Mandel who advocated for schools to open, and was called a Grandma Killer for her efforts.

    President Trump should be praised for the extremely quick development of the vaccines.

    Most of all, Wuhan Whistleblower Li Wenliang, who gave his life trying to stop COVID-19.

    Ricochet which kept the conversation open.

    Please do not hijack the thread, Gary. Your hero thread is getting comments and you shouldn’t try to change the subject on THIS thread.

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  23. Bishop Wash Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    The Atlantic author not only says we shouldn’t punish those who made wrong decisions, we shouldn’t even try to understand why they made those wrong decisions. The author says we should focus all our efforts on solving the problems the wrong decisions created. But without understanding why those wrong decisions were made, our ability to solve them, and to prevent similarly wrong decisions in the future, is severely limited.

    Like the politicians who run on having years of experience. Yes, you have experience, but you were always wrong. You haven’t shown that you’ve learned from your mistakes and plan to continue to govern in a bad way.

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    The Atlantic author not only says we shouldn’t punish those who made wrong decisions, we shouldn’t even try to understand why they made those wrong decisions. The author says we should focus all our efforts on solving the problems the wrong decisions created. But without understanding why those wrong decisions were made, our ability to solve them, and to prevent similarly wrong decisions in the future, is severely limited.

    Like the politicians who run on having years of experience. Yes, you have experience, but you were always wrong. You haven’t shown that you’ve learned from your mistakes and plan to continue to govern in a bad way.

    Example #1 being Joe Freakin’ Biden.

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  25. Douglas Pratt Coolidge
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    Amnesty? No. Fricking. Way.

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  26. Sisyphus Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    The Atlantic author not only says we shouldn’t punish those who made wrong decisions, we shouldn’t even try to understand why they made those wrong decisions. The author says we should focus all our efforts on solving the problems the wrong decisions created. But without understanding why those wrong decisions were made, our ability to solve them, and to prevent similarly wrong decisions in the future, is severely limited.

    So solving the problems created…maybe Trump buys the Atlantic?

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    The Atlantic author not only says we shouldn’t punish those who made wrong decisions, we shouldn’t even try to understand why they made those wrong decisions. The author says we should focus all our efforts on solving the problems the wrong decisions created. But without understanding why those wrong decisions were made, our ability to solve them, and to prevent similarly wrong decisions in the future, is severely limited.

    So solving the problems created…maybe Trump buys the Atlantic?

    Or Musk, but I think he already has his hands full.

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    The Megyn Kelly podcast 424 had really good analysis. 

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  29. Sisyphus Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    The Atlantic author not only says we shouldn’t punish those who made wrong decisions, we shouldn’t even try to understand why they made those wrong decisions. The author says we should focus all our efforts on solving the problems the wrong decisions created. But without understanding why those wrong decisions were made, our ability to solve them, and to prevent similarly wrong decisions in the future, is severely limited.

    So solving the problems created…maybe Trump buys the Atlantic?

    Or Musk, but I think he already has his hands full.

    Musk is a businessman wooing the CCP for his Tesla line. I am watching events with interest at Twitter, and I have nothing against Afro-American businessmen as such, but Musk is a complicated character. Eggs and baskets and so on.

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  30. Flicker Coolidge
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    The Atlantic author not only says we shouldn’t punish those who made wrong decisions, we shouldn’t even try to understand why they made those wrong decisions. The author says we should focus all our efforts on solving the problems the wrong decisions created. But without understanding why those wrong decisions were made, our ability to solve them, and to prevent similarly wrong decisions in the future, is severely limited.

    So solving the problems created…maybe Trump buys the Atlantic?

    Or Musk, but I think he already has his hands full.

    Musk is a businessman wooing the CCP for his Tesla line. I am watching events with interest at Twitter, and I have nothing against Afro-American businessmen as such, but Musk is a complicated character. Eggs and baskets and so on.

    I think the accepted term is African-American, or Black.

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