Biden Over Bork: The Big Decision 35 Years Ago

 

There was a confrontation in 1987 between Joe Biden and Robert Bork. Bork gave honest and straightforward answers to questions during his confirmation hearings. Whether a right to privacy existed or was intended in the Constitution was a big issue. Biden said there was and Bork said there was not. The right to privacy was a big part of the Roe v. Wade decision that brought the issue of abortion under federal purview. Robert Bork was also an advocate for interpreting the Constitution using only the original intent of the founders. The only way I can think of some of the votes when I look again at who cast them is that it puzzles me.

I think this failure to confirm Robert Bork in some ways opened the floodgates and has given us the culture and government we are living with today. We didn’t get Bork on the Supreme Court and we got Biden as President. And now we have had a Supreme Court rejection of Roe v. Wade.

Robert Bork later wrote Slouching Towards Gomorrah, in which he describes the cultural effects of the sixties revived in the eighties leading to a revival of the sixties cultural mentality in Bill and Hillary Clinton. If you have access to this book, there is an Introduction — in my version, it runs 13 pages — that gives a very good description of the cultural forces operating to divide us so completely in our politics today. He calls the Left’s posture Modern Liberalism and uses Radical Egalitarianism and Radical Individualism to describe what has displaced Equality and Liberty in our lexicon when discussing political issues.

I have lived through and experienced all of what he describes in the book.

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Anyone voting for Biden  opted for this.

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  2. JoelB Member
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    We chose the Senate and the Senate chose to go with Biden rather than Bork way back in the day. Now look where we are. The Supreme Court has corrected itself. I hope that the people will correct themselves in regards to the Senate and Biden.

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  3. Bob Thompson Member
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    JoelB (View Comment):

    We chose the Senate and the Senate chose to go with Biden rather than Bork way back in the day. Now look where we are. The Supreme Court has corrected itself. I hope that the people will correct themselves in regards to the Senate and Biden.

    Yes, but some of those Senators like Sam Nunn and Richard Shelby were surprise no votes if you knew them.

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  4. The Reticulator Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    We chose the Senate and the Senate chose to go with Biden rather than Bork way back in the day. Now look where we are. The Supreme Court has corrected itself. I hope that the people will correct themselves in regards to the Senate and Biden.

    Yes, but some of those Senators like Sam Nunn and Richard Shelby were surprise no votes if you knew them.

    It was when it became clear that the Democrats would not only play dirty, but they would use the power of government to do anything to win. They would intimidate potential witnesses, and tell them to get back on the plane and go home if they knew what was good for their careers.  The Bork nomination was when it became clear that this was a fight to the death. I used to listen to NPR, and this was when I quit contributing during their fundraisers.  This was a “No more Mr. Nice Guy” moment.   

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  5. Bob Thompson Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    We chose the Senate and the Senate chose to go with Biden rather than Bork way back in the day. Now look where we are. The Supreme Court has corrected itself. I hope that the people will correct themselves in regards to the Senate and Biden.

    Yes, but some of those Senators like Sam Nunn and Richard Shelby were surprise no votes if you knew them.

    It was when it became clear that the Democrats would not only play dirty, but they would use the power of government to do anything to win. They would intimidate potential witnesses, and tell them to get back on the plane and go home if they knew what was good for their careers. The Bork nomination was when it became clear that this was a fight to the death. I used to listen to NPR, and this was when I quit contributing during their fundraisers. This was a “No more Mr. Nice Guy” moment.

    Notice the evasiveness in the testimony today. And the bureaucrats do what they are told, right or wrong. It is sad.

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  6. Bob Thompson Member
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    Here’s a short passage from that introduction to Bork’s book where he is previewing the tempering influences over the radical impulses of humanity:

    “Religion tends to be strongest when life is hard, and the same may be said of morality and law. A person whose main difficulty is not crop failure but video breakdown has less need of the consolations and promises of religion.”

    Biden may lead us to crop shortages and shortages of replacement parts for videos, hmm?

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Anyone voting for Biden opted for this.

    The sun rises in the east, water is wet and rocks are hard.  And Bryan exorcises anyone who didn’t vote for Trump.

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  8. Flicker Coolidge
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    And Bryan excoriates anyone who voted for the Biden agenda.

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  9. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    So here’s a question: how does ‘right to privacy’ figure into our elections. or does it not figure in at all.

    The left seems to think the individual who wants to vote needs privacy that includes lack of voter ID being A-okay. When Californians vote at the polling place, no one checks on signatures. No polling place official asks for ID such as state-issued ID for those who don’t drive, or state driver’s licenses.

    This is all new since 2012.

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    So here’s a question: how does ‘right to privacy’ figure into our elections. or does it not figure in at all.

    The left seems to think the individual who wants to vote needs privacy that includes lack of voter ID being A-okay. When people vote at the polling place, no one checks on signatures. No ID such as state-issued ID for those who don’t drive, or state driver’s licenses.

    This is all new since 2012.

    Going by the latest Supreme Court decision as well as the fact that elections are a state matter, there is no federal right to privacy with respect to voting other than as determined by state constitution and state statutory law. 

    Biden’s people will work to convince us otherwise.

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  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    And Bryan excoriates anyone who voted for the Biden agenda.

    I didn’t vote for Biden’s agenda, I voted to remove Trump.  Biden’s agenda will be facing a real rejection in the Midterms, especially when the Republican candidates do not deny the results of the 2020 election.

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  12. Flicker Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    And Bryan excoriates anyone who voted for the Biden agenda.

    I didn’t vote for Biden’s agenda, I voted to remove Trump. Biden’s agenda will be facing a real rejection in the Midterms, especially when the Republican candidates do not deny the results of the 2020 election.

    I’m going to repeat what many have said here for years.  You voted for Biden.  You got Biden.  You voted for the Biden agenda.  You got his agenda.  Be happy.  Embrace the suck.  Admit your failings.

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  13. Bob Thompson Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    And Bryan excoriates anyone who voted for the Biden agenda.

    I didn’t vote for Biden’s agenda, I voted to remove Trump. Biden’s agenda will be facing a real rejection in the Midterms, especially when the Republican candidates do not deny the results of the 2020 election.

    I’m going to repeat what many have said here for years. You voted for Biden. You got Biden. You voted for the Biden agenda. You got his agenda. Be happy. Embrace the suck. Admit your failings.

    And we have known how bad Biden is for at least 35 years. 

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  14. The Reticulator Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    And Bryan excoriates anyone who voted for the Biden agenda.

    I didn’t vote for Biden’s agenda, I voted to remove Trump. Biden’s agenda will be facing a real rejection in the Midterms, especially when the Republican candidates do not deny the results of the 2020 election.

    I’m going to repeat what many have said here for years. You voted for Biden. You got Biden. You voted for the Biden agenda. You got his agenda. Be happy. Embrace the suck. Admit your failings.

    And we have known how bad Biden is for at least 35 years.

    Yes, we have known that. He was a bald-faced liar then and is a bald-faced liar now. 

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  15. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    And Bryan excoriates anyone who voted for the Biden agenda.

    I didn’t vote for Biden’s agenda, I voted to remove Trump. Biden’s agenda will be facing a real rejection in the Midterms, especially when the Republican candidates do not deny the results of the 2020 election.

    I’m going to repeat what many have said here for years. You voted for Biden. You got Biden. You voted for the Biden agenda. You got his agenda. Be happy. Embrace the suck. Admit your failings.

    And we have known how bad Biden is for at least 35 years.

    Yes, we have known that. He was a bald-faced liar then and is a bald-faced liar now.

    And furthermore, we knew that in his current dementia haze he would be little more than a fake “good old Joe” front man for the radical leftists behind him.

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  16. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    And Bryan excoriates anyone who voted for the Biden agenda.

    I didn’t vote for Biden’s agenda, I voted to remove Trump. Biden’s agenda will be facing a real rejection in the Midterms, especially when the Republican candidates do not deny the results of the 2020 election.

    I’m going to repeat what many have said here for years. You voted for Biden. You got Biden. You voted for the Biden agenda. You got his agenda. Be happy. Embrace the suck. Admit your failings.

    And we have known how bad Biden is for at least 35 years.

    Yes, we have known that. He was a bald-faced liar then and is a bald-faced liar now.

    And furthermore, we knew that in his current dementia haze he would be little more than a fake “good old Joe” front man for the radical leftists behind him.

    Victor Davis Hanson has compared Trump to the tragic heroes in such Westerns as Shane and The Magnificent Seven: men who are needed because only they can do the hard but necessary jobs that are beyond the abilities of the nice men, but who can never enjoy the fruits of victory because their flaws make them unacceptable in polite society.

    Some of our conservative friends decided that those flaws were so offensive that they preferred to vote for the cattle baron thugs and Mexican bandits.

    Other conservatives chose Biden because, to extend the metaphor, they secretly prefer the cattle barons and bandits: in their hearts the only acceptable conservative candidates were ones who would only dishonestly promise to rein in the administrative state and increase liberty.

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  17. Gary Robbins Member
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    I appreciate that y’all don’t like my vote for Biden, however Trump’s refusal to accept the results of the 2020 election and the ensuing events of the insurrection, promoted and caused by Trump, fully validate my choice, the first Democrat I voted for as President for 48 years, since I was in college in 1972.  

    Biden’s policies are bad (with the exception of Ukraine), however, Biden did not try to overthrow the results of an election.  I stand by my decision.  The evidence is clear and convincing that Trump is responsible for: 

    • Purposely and maliciously disseminating false allegations of fraud related to the 2020 presidential election in order to aid your effort to overturn the election and for purposes of soliciting contributions;
    • Attempting to corrupt the Department of Justice, including by soliciting and enlisting Department officials to make false statements and aid your effort to overturn the presidential election;
    • Without any evidentiary basis, illegally pressuring state officials and legislators to change the results of the election in their states;
    • Orchestrating and overseeing an effort to obtain and transmit false electoral certificates to Congress and the National Archives;
    • Despite knowing specifically that it was illegal, corruptly pressuring your own Vice President to unilaterally refuse to count electoral votes during Congress’s joint session on January 6th;
    • Pressuring Members of Congress to object to valid slates of electors from several states;
    • Filing false information, under oath, in federal court;
    • Summoning tens of thousands of supporters to Washington and, knowing they were angry and some were armed, sending them to the Capitol;
    • Sending a social media message to the nation at 2:24 p.m. – while knowing full well that the violent attack on the Capitol was occurring – in which you incited further violence by publicly condemning your Vice President; and,
    • Refusing for hours to disband your rioting supporters by instructing them to leave the Capitol, which you watched the attack unfold on television.

    If you want to win, don’t nominate Trump.  If you want to lose, go right ahead and nominate Trump again.  But don’t expect Republicans who love their country more than their party to vote for him.

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  18. Bob Thompson Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    insurrection, promoted and caused by Trump

    Purely unsupported opinion. Don’t try this here.

    Edit: By the way, all holding official Republican elected offices or appointments who support your thesis have already been dismissed from the Party or are on their way out. That makes it sound as if you have it backwards.

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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    I think Bidens lack of character has been on display his whole life. His willingness to break norms was clear with Bork and thus it was this moment that broke the nomination process.

    Bork was an honorable man. Biden, clearly is not. His utter corruption has been clear for some time, going back to his plagiarism, siding with Democrat racistas to get ahead, and then his rather evil financial actions.

    He has been a corrupt his whole career. The man should not have been VP and not President.

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  20. Steven Galanis Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    So here’s a question: how does ‘right to privacy’ figure into our elections. or does it not figure in at all.

    The left seems to think the individual who wants to vote needs privacy that includes lack of voter ID being A-okay. When Californians vote at the polling place, no one checks on signatures. No polling place official asks for ID such as state-issued ID for those who don’t drive, or state driver’s licenses.

    This is all new since 2012.

    The Real ID program requires a great deal of cooperation from drivers and non-drivers alike everywhere in the United States. In Maryland,   birth certificates and naturalization certificates are required of all drivers. In 2019  when I had to renew my license, I had to have my B/C on me. A short time later, I  toted my 90+ Aunt to the DMV so that she could renew her license. The day before our visit, she reassured me that she had her naturalization certificate in her purse. When we got to the counter and she was asked to produce it, she looked dumbfounded. I knew right away she didn’t have it on her, and that I had  wasted a day .

    The DMV which registers voters has the  citizenship proof  needed for the state board of elections (SBE) to weed out registrants who are not U.S. citizens .  Additionally, the data exchange capabilities states have with each other and the feds would seem to make the task of qualifying voters relatively simple.  Not only does Maryland’s SBE choose not to do so, it is pleased to hand out provisional ballots to as many people as show up on election day to register to vote. Attestation of citizenship and acceptance of the risks and penalties associated with a false assertion on a voter registration is proof of citizenship. Lawyers have argued so and judges determined so.

    How reassuring can a  voter id requirement  be when  American citizens now  plainly see that  governing authorities have  conscientiously worked  to thwart their rights?

    Of course I  agree with all who insist on a voter id requirement although nothing less than a major rollback of the changes in the voting process in recent years must also take place.

     

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  21. Gary Robbins Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    insurrection, promoted and caused by Trump

    Purely unsupported opinion. Don’t try this here.

    Edit: By the way, all holding official Republican elected offices or appointments who support your thesis have already been dismissed from the Party or are on their way out. That makes it sound as if you have it backwards.

    There will come a point when people remember that the Bushes and Reagan won 5 times, and Trump won only once.  If we keep losing with Trump, Republicans will come back as the Party of Reagan.

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  22. Bob Thompson Member
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    Steven Galanis (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    So here’s a question: how does ‘right to privacy’ figure into our elections. or does it not figure in at all.

    The left seems to think the individual who wants to vote needs privacy that includes lack of voter ID being A-okay. When Californians vote at the polling place, no one checks on signatures. No polling place official asks for ID such as state-issued ID for those who don’t drive, or state driver’s licenses.

    This is all new since 2012.

    The Real ID program requires a great deal of cooperation from drivers and non-drivers alike everywhere in the United States. In Maryland, birth certificates and naturalization certificates are required of all drivers. In 2019 when I had to renew my license, I had to have my B/C on me. A short time later, I toted my 90+ Aunt to the DMV so that she could renew her license. The day before our visit, she reassured me that she had her naturalization certificate in her purse. When we got to the counter and she was asked to produce it, she looked dumbfounded. I knew right away she didn’t have it on her, and that I had wasted a day .

    The DMV which registers voters has the citizenship proof needed for the state board of elections (SBE) to weed out registrants who are not U.S. citizens . Additionally, the data exchange capabilities states have with each other and the feds would seem to make the task of qualifying voters relatively simple. Not only does Maryland’s SBE choose not to do so, it is pleased to hand out provisional ballots to as many people as show up on election day to register to vote. Attestation of citizenship and acceptance of the risks and penalties associated with a false assertion on a voter registration is proof of citizenship. Lawyers have argued so and judges determined so.

    How reassuring can a voter id requirement be when American citizens now plainly see that governing authorities have conscientiously worked to thwart their rights?

    I think requirements for driving licenses in most states have included identification to support voter registration for a number of years now. For example, in my case, I got my original driving license in Utah in 2011 and renewed it in 2016. I remember having to present my birth certificate  at one of those times, I don’t remember which. Then I moved to Arizona in 2018 and I had to present that evidence to get my license and register to vote. When I moved back to Utah this year all I had to do was present evidence of my residence address. The other information was in the records. That’s how it should work .

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  23. Bob Thompson Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    insurrection, promoted and caused by Trump

    Purely unsupported opinion. Don’t try this here.

    Edit: By the way, all holding official Republican elected offices or appointments who support your thesis have already been dismissed from the Party or are on their way out. That makes it sound as if you have it backwards.

    There will come a point when people remember that the Bushes and Reagan won 5 times, and Trump won only once. If we keep losing with Trump, Republicans will come back as the Party of Reagan.

    How come you cannot understand that the former leaders you extol today are why we have Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer?

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  24. Bob Thompson Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    insurrection, promoted and caused by Trump

    Purely unsupported opinion. Don’t try this here.

    Edit: By the way, all holding official Republican elected offices or appointments who support your thesis have already been dismissed from the Party or are on their way out. That makes it sound as if you have it backwards.

    There will come a point when people remember that the Bushes and Reagan won 5 times, and Trump won only once. If we keep losing with Trump, Republicans will come back as the Party of Reagan.

    How come you cannot understand that the former leaders you extol today are why we have Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer?

    Reagan was good but he messed up when he chose Bush. I suspect the Bushes took up residence in Texas to bring their corrupted form of politics there just like Romney has done in Utah.

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  25. Paul Stinchfield Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    insurrection, promoted and caused by Trump

    Purely unsupported opinion. Don’t try this here.

    Edit: By the way, all holding official Republican elected offices or appointments who support your thesis have already been dismissed from the Party or are on their way out. That makes it sound as if you have it backwards.

    There will come a point when people remember that the Bushes and Reagan won 5 times, and Trump won only once. If we keep losing with Trump, Republicans will come back as the Party of Reagan.

    How come you cannot understand that the former leaders you extol today are why we have Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer?

    Come on, Charlie Brown, kick the football. I promise I won’t trick you this time.

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  26. Bob Thompson Member
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    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    insurrection, promoted and caused by Trump

    Purely unsupported opinion. Don’t try this here.

    Edit: By the way, all holding official Republican elected offices or appointments who support your thesis have already been dismissed from the Party or are on their way out. That makes it sound as if you have it backwards.

    There will come a point when people remember that the Bushes and Reagan won 5 times, and Trump won only once. If we keep losing with Trump, Republicans will come back as the Party of Reagan.

    How come you cannot understand that the former leaders you extol today are why we have Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer?

    Come on, Charlie Brown, kick the football. I promise I won’t trick you this time.

    Will something be revealed in ten days?

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  27. namlliT noD Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    The evidence is clear and convincing that Trump is responsible for: 

    • Purposely and maliciously disseminating false allegations of fraud related to the 2020 presidential election in order to aid your effort to overturn the election and for purposes of soliciting contributions;

    You’ve posted this silly list at least 11 times recently.  

    It’s not helping your cause.

     

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  28. namlliT noD Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Edit: By the way, all holding official Republican elected offices or appointments who support your thesis have already been dismissed from the Party or are on their way out. That makes it sound as if you have it backwards.

    There will come a point when people remember that the Bushes and Reagan won 5 times, and Trump won only once. If we keep losing with Trump, Republicans will come back as the Party of Reagan.

    We lost with McCain and Mittens.  By a lot.  And lost to a guy who never had a job before.  And ¡Jeb! was well on his way to losing.

    Which is exactly why you have Trump.

     

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  29. Flicker Coolidge
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Paul Stinchfield (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    insurrection, promoted and caused by Trump

    Purely unsupported opinion. Don’t try this here.

    Edit: By the way, all holding official Republican elected offices or appointments who support your thesis have already been dismissed from the Party or are on their way out. That makes it sound as if you have it backwards.

    There will come a point when people remember that the Bushes and Reagan won 5 times, and Trump won only once. If we keep losing with Trump, Republicans will come back as the Party of Reagan.

    How come you cannot understand that the former leaders you extol today are why we have Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer?

    Come on, Charlie Brown, kick the football. I promise I won’t trick you this time.

    Will something be revealed in ten days?

    Trump blew up the pipeline.  Trump paid prostitutes to blow up the pipeline.

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  30. Flicker Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    insurrection, promoted and caused by Trump

    Purely unsupported opinion. Don’t try this here.

    Edit: By the way, all holding official Republican elected offices or appointments who support your thesis have already been dismissed from the Party or are on their way out. That makes it sound as if you have it backwards.

    There will come a point when people remember that the Bushes and Reagan won 5 times, and Trump won only once. If we keep losing with Trump, Republicans will come back as the Party of Reagan.

    This is a ridiculous comparison — cherry picked and all that.  But even so, the Reagan and the Bushes lost 4 out of 9 races, and won only 5 out of 9 races.  That’s a win ratio of only 55%.

    Trump won at least 50% of his races.  Not a big difference.  And anyway, Trump can still win in 2024 and that’ll give him a 67% ratio.

    Either way, you’re just playing with numbers.

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